Anti-American morons heckle CHILDREN who are just trying to sing ! by AURaptor

Can't see video.

My parents always heckled me and that kind of thing just builds assertiveness and determination for kids. If you're going to fight and argue with people who have every advantage over you, might as well start young, you know?

I'd speak out against the teacher lady and her "don't criticize the president" spiel as much as I'd criticize this for indoctrination.

But, I also know that when I was younger, there was a period where I actually did buy into the history lessons we were taught and the propaganda... So part of me actually just wants to give all those kids a bunch of sparklers and let them go wild.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:33 PM

WHOZIT

It's a good thing they didn't heckle Barry, the MSM would get mad.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:49 PM

America loves a winner!

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It's a good thing they didn't heckle Barry, the MSM would get mad.

Apparently, we can only exercise our free speech rights on matters approved of by the Left. Otherwise, it's time to heckle and interrupt!

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:01 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by whozit:
It's a good thing they didn't heckle Barry, the MSM would get mad.

Apparently, we can only exercise our free speech rights on matters approved of by the Left. Otherwise, it's time to heckle and interrupt!

First: I love New York City. Some blocks have more life than some cities.
Second: this looks like a perfect expression of free speech by both parties, except the kids because they don't really know what's going on.
Third: I hate it when politicians use kids to push their agenda - weak, exploitive, bad taste, no matter the party.
Fourth: How much of your day do you spend looking for these things? Kind of a reach on this one isn't it?

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:16 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

It's always deplorable when adults heckle children, isn't it? Unfortunately, it's nothing new, and the tactic was developed by the Tea Partiers.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/12/protesters-rally-obama-song
-new-jersey-school/

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Monday's 90-minute protest, held while the school was in session and attended largely by members of anti-tax organizations from around the state, was an outgrowth of that sentiment.
"We should continue protests like this to prevent this from happening again," said Robert Gordan, 66, a retiree from Middletown.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:24 PM

America loves a winner!

Union 'zombies' don't care about the children...

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:30 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
It's always deplorable when adults heckle children, isn't it? Unfortunately, it's nothing new, and the tactic was developed by the Tea Partiers.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/12/protesters-rally-obama-song
-new-jersey-school/

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Monday's 90-minute protest, held while the school was in session and attended largely by members of anti-tax organizations from around the state, was an outgrowth of that sentiment.
"We should continue protests like this to prevent this from happening again," said Robert Gordan, 66, a retiree from Middletown.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

Hello,

It is terrible when people use children as leverage in political endeavors. It is similarly terrible when these children are heckled. Though I must admit I find using children for political purposes to be the worse of the two violations.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:35 PM

CHRISISALL

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or when ever a conservative tries to talk in public.

Conservative. LOL, no such a thing. THIS is why you suck, AU. Blind devotion to one of the two stupid sides.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:46 PM

America loves a winner!

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or when ever a conservative tries to talk in public.

Conservative. LOL, no such a thing. THIS is why you suck, AU. Blind devotion to one of the two stupid sides.

Tell that to the long list of " conservatives " you've heard about being asked to give a commencement speeches. Or speak at a local college.

Oh, that's right. It almost never happens, and if it does, there are protesters there to shout down the conservative, or throw things at them.

Ignoring the truth does not make it go away, Chrissy.

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:57 PM

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or when ever a conservative tries to talk in public.

Conservative. LOL, no such a thing. THIS is why you suck, AU. Blind devotion to one of the two stupid sides.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

Hello Chris,

I must admit I've seen precious few fiscal conservatives. That is, someone who legitimately wants to shrink all of the budget and not just parts of it.

Most persons who claim to be conservative are content to wage wars and feed the military truckloads of money.

I've also had trouble finding conservatives who want to conserve all human rights.

This is also true of some people who claim to be liberals.

I have trouble selecting someone to vote for nowadays.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

Hello,

It is terrible when people use children as leverage in political endeavors. It is similarly terrible when these children are heckled. Though I must admit I find using children for political purposes to be the worse of the two violations.

--Anthony

Well said. I also hate it when people put their progeny on commercials just to sell a business...

"Seems to me that the people that talk the most about Freedom are really only talking about THEIR version of it."

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Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:43 PM

CATPIRATE

AU, That is disgusting. That children can not be patriotic. It is the land of the free. Looks like to me that children were deprived of their first amendment rights. Yet the cameras go to the self mutilated dirt bags of the project. Why were they using profanity around these children. That is a lack of respect from so called adults. These American haters can't stand that children of creed want to better themselves unlike the crap bags with the harmonica and tattoos. Yeh they hate America so bad it don't stop them from buying Adidas shirts and $100.00 stylish sunglasses. These are your community leaders. That one little girl was really scared. They were bulling the kids till they started chanting USA.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:36 AM

America loves a winner!

So, Anthony thinks that children singing 'Proud to be an American' is a worse act than adults yelling and heckling those children ?

Note to self...

Anthony is a gutless coward, like the punks who scream at children. Never forget that.
" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:35 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

This was a stupid political protest against another school which banned the use of the song "God Bless America" because of the separation of church and state. This protest was put together by a politician for purely political gain. Politicians to often wrap themselves in the proverbial American flag with false displays of patriotism for the reason we have above. If they get called on it they claim others are anti-American, which is a load of BS.

Here is a though, don't use kids for political gain, and if you really want to be a patriot get to work solving the countries problems without worrying about your next election.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:35 AM

They're not even protesting the children singing - they're protesting that shitty, shitty song.

Why not train the kids to sing "America: Fuck Yeah!" if you're that into nationalism.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:46 AM

ELVISCHRIST

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
This was a stupid political protest against another school which banned the use of the song "God Bless America" because of the separation of church and state. This protest was put together by a politician for purely political gain. Politicians to often wrap themselves in the proverbial American flag with false displays of patriotism for the reason we have above. If they get called on it they claim others are anti-American, which is a load of BS.

Here is a though, don't use kids for political gain, and if you really want to be a patriot get to work solving the countries problems without worrying about your next election.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Arguing with a Rap is like playing chess with a pigeon. Even if your the best chess player in the world, the pigeon's gonna knock over all the chess pieces and shit all over the board then strut around acting like its won.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:35 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by ELVISCHRIST:Arguing with a Rap is like playing chess with a pigeon. Even if your the best chess player in the world, the pigeon's gonna knock over all the chess pieces and shit all over the board then strut around acting like its won.

Very true.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:42 AM

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Why were they using profanity around these children. That is a lack of respect from so called adults.

I have never really understood why profanity around kids is so taboo. I knew all the swears by the time I was five, and used them regularly among my friends. I am positive that all kids already know all this stuff, and so the idea of protecting them from learning about what they already know makes no sense to me.

I am pleased that the kids pushed back and did not allow themselves to be bullied. There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to kow-tow to displays of authority and force.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:16 AM

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I have never really understood why profanity around kids is so taboo. I knew all the swears by the time I was five, and used them regularly among my friends. I am positive that all kids already know all this stuff, and so the idea of protecting them from learning about what they already know makes no sense to me.

Pretty sure my nine year old has NO idea what FUCK means. I have explained that it's not really appropriate for a child to use most of the words, nor would I ever advocate her being around people who use them frequently because if they cannot avoid using excessive, graphic, or violent language they prolly cannot regulate their other behaviors...
If you knew all the swear words by five and used them regularly yer parental units are a special kinda clueless. Cursing in school gets kids in trouble, and is unnecessary, for one thing...I told my kid that when she is older she may use hell, damn, and shit when she knows what they mean and how to use them for appropriate reasons and not every 15 seconds just to go around offending people, though I would prefer she didn't at all... It's called discipline and restraint, Byte. Just 'cause you CAN do a thing, don't mean you SHOULD...

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:21 AM

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Pretty sure my nine year old has NO idea what FUCK means.

Hello,

That's pretty remarkable. Are your children kept in an isolated environment?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
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Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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How much of your day do you spend looking for these things? Kind of a reach on this one isn't it?

And oh, Elvis, that is priceless:

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Arguing with a Rap is like playing chess with a pigeon. Even if your the best chess player in the world, the pigeon's gonna knock over all the chess pieces and shit all over the board then strut around acting like its won.

Prize for first giggle of the day, UNQUESTIONABLY! Thanx for the giggle.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:34 AM

I definitely used "Fuck" and "Fucker" when I was five. One of my classmates had the last name "Tucker," it's a fairly obvious logical procession.

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If you knew all the swear words by five and used them regularly yer parental units are a special kinda clueless.

Why would I have wanted this any other way? Should they have been meddlesome and prevented my accumulating knowledge? Isolated me from every other child because they all also knew these words and used them? Well, I suppose I didn't have any friends, so that wouldn't have been damaging, but I read a lot, so they would have had to ban books from me as well. Actually, they would have basically had to lock me up in a dungeon to keep me sheltered, and I *still* would have found out.

Little kids have extremely foul mouths when adults aren't around, trust me, they know exactly how to get away with it.

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It's called discipline and restraint, Byte. Just 'cause you CAN do a thing, don't mean you SHOULD...

Chuh, yeah, that won't just get you mugged on the playground for your lunch money. School grounds are sink or swim. If you don't get a reputation for being bad news you only get picked on by the ones who do.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:51 AM

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Originally posted by ELVISCHRIST:
Arguing with a Rap is like playing chess with a pigeon. Even if your the best chess player in the world, the pigeon's gonna knock over all the chess pieces and shit all over the board then strut around acting like its won.

That's a shockingly apt description of it, shabby grammar aside.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:38 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Why not train the kids to sing "America: Fuck Yeah!" if you're that into nationalism.

That's hilarious, we need a new anthem.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:31 AM

RIONAEIRE

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I'm forced to agree with Wish here, I don't say words around the little ones in my life unless I want to hear those words coming out of their mouths. If parents don't care what their kids say that's their choice, but I think most parents would prefer their kids wait until they're older to say those words. The other day my newly 2 year old niece said "Oh fuck" clear as day in the living room. We pretended we didn't know what she was saying, my brother and his wife are so fowl mouthed around those kids I wasn't surprised. I suppose its their choice though. I don't think its fair for them to start punishing her for just repeating what they say, since 2 year olds are supposed to repeat what they hear, its normal and natural for them. So they should probably work on what they say in front of her, because no one else thinks its cute and I don't think they really want her talking like that yet.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:54 PM

America loves a winner!

Why not just let the little children sing their song, and go on about your lives ? Why the hell is it so damned important to make a fuss and start in w/ the yelling and shouting ? Save that for when there are just adults around. How petty.

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Why not train the kids to sing "America: Fuck Yeah!" if you're that into nationalism.

And animals are 'trained', Kwickie. People are 'taught'. I guess you view children as mere pets , to be trained how to sing and do tricks ?

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:05 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Why would I have wanted this any other way? Should they have been meddlesome and prevented my accumulating knowledge?

Little kids have extremely foul mouths when adults aren't around, trust me, they know exactly how to get away with it.

Chuh, yeah, that won't just get you mugged on the playground for your lunch money. School grounds are sink or swim.

I'm fairly certain she will learn on her own in time what they mean. I didn't curse regularly until I started working at sixteen and most of the people I was around rarely cursed.. And yes, we do not watch violent or graffic movies in front of her, there is plenty of time for her to do that later if she wishes as well...Why is it more honorable to you for a child to have knowledge of fucking when it's not something they are supposed to do?? I wouldn't show her porn either, but I suppose some would call THAT a type of knowledge. Their brains just aren't suited to deal with some knowledge emotionally ...And I think people should be composed in public in most cases, as WORDS ARE OFFENSIVE, and offending people in public is generally considered A BAD IDEA....

AND DEAR BUDDHA, WHAT HELLHOLE OF A SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO?? Mine has come home only once or twice and said that one of the boys have gotten in trouble for "using a disrespectful word" as they call it.

Byte, hon...even if you don't wanna take pills, you really should get some therapy... You are very, very intelligent, but I fear you just can't see how emotionally stunted you are...There is an entire side of humanity you have deemed as worthless because you just can't understand it and don't want to try, and from someone as smart as you are- it's really a shame...

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:33 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Why not just let the little children sing their song, and go on about your lives ? Why the hell is it so damned important to make a fuss and start in w/ the yelling and shouting ? Save that for when there are just adults around. How petty.

That was not your reaction when FauxNews told you kids were being "indoctrinated" with the Obama song, if I recall correctly.

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Why not train the kids to sing "America: Fuck Yeah!" if you're that into nationalism.

And animals are 'trained', Kwickie. People are 'taught'. I guess you view children as mere pets , to be trained how to sing and do tricks ?

Of course not. Pets have more rights than children.

"Teaching" involves more than just rote repetition; it involves UNDERSTANDING of what you're being taught. Do you think these kids really understand just how shitty that song really is?

John Lennon was murdered, and Lee Greenwood still puts out albums. If you're gonna murder somebody, have some fucking taste about it. I'll drive you to Toby Keith's house! (Paraphrased from the late great Bill Hicks)

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:37 PM

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Hello,

You were doing so well.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:46 PM

America loves a winner!

So, you equate singing songs praising our country to be on par w/ songs praising our dear and fluffy leader ?

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:49 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, you equate singing songs praising our country to be on par w/ songs praising our dear and fluffy leader ?

" This isn't North Korea. Is this North Korea ? This isn't North Korea. " - ( with apologies to Ty Webb )

Since both situations where purely politically motivated...yes!

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Since both situations where purely politically motivated...yes!

One nation, under Obama....

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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:18 PM

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Why is it more honorable to you for a child to have knowledge of fucking when it's not something they are supposed to do??

One of my friends first had sex with a boy her age when she was seven.

It wasn't a hellhole, it was Idaho. It's mormon central number 2 relative to Utah. You all think kids are so innocent, but they're really not.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:37 PM

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Why is it more honorable to you for a child to have knowledge of fucking when it's not something they are supposed to do??

One of my friends first had sex with a boy her age when she was seven.

It wasn't a hellhole, it was Idaho. It's mormon central number 2 relative to Utah. You all think kids are so innocent, but they're really not.

Hello,

I'm sure there's a wide range of behavior. I would no more assume a typical 9 year old didn't know what 'frack' meant than I would assume most 7 year olds were 'fracking.'

(Language sanitized and sci-firized for your pleasure.)

In other words, just because something has been observed to happen doesn't mean it is common. I suspect that many children are more 'innocent' than you suspect, Byte, and less 'innocent' than is suspected by others.

I myself had a firm command of the meaning of swear words at the age of 9, even though I seldom employed them. I did not generally desire to be mean and I usually associated such words with meanness. I had many explicit sexual fantasies at that age, though.

I did not have the sense that most of my peers shared my well-realized sexual compulsion at age 9, though they were beginning to experiment with the idea that girls and boys might enjoy contact without the looming threat of cooties. I think I may have been 'ahead of the curve' in terms of sexual development at my particular school.

Most of my peers didn't seem to exhibit clear sexual urges until the age of about 11-12. I did not have my first consensual sexual encounter until I was 13, though I probably could have managed it sooner had I been a popular child or had I shown any interest in the unpopular girls who might have consented to such contact before Middle School.

Like most of the boys in my elementary school, I was foolishly enamoured with the few girls who developed full figures early on, and ignored those less-developed but potentially devoted girls whose affections were not based on a shallow sense of popularity or other superficial criteria. It took me years to realize my error. Once I understood what was really important about a partner, I began to have much greater success in pursuits of the opposite sex.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:53 PM

America loves a winner!

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You all think kids are so innocent, but they're really not.

Kids SHOULD be innocent. They're kids. They have their whole lives to be jaded and cynical. And kids don't know half as much as they think they do.

It's really unbelievable at the lengths some folks are going to go to defend this lunacy.

" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:54 PM

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In other words, just because something has been observed to happen doesn't mean it is common. I suspect that many children are more 'innocent' than you suspect, Byte, and less 'innocent' than is suspected by others.

Hmm. Perhaps. All I know is that most of the kids I knew when I was young weren't innocent at all, although they were relatively normal and came from normal families, and we all tended to roll our eyes behind the backs of adults whenever they tried to skirt around an issue or condescend to us or tell us comforting lies.

Actually the girl who seemed the most normal actually had the worst family life. Her dad was a pedophile and made her strip for him and stuff. She ended up falling hard in love after guys who weren't ready for the commitment and who always left her, I think she was hoping one of them would help her escape.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:04 PM

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Actually the girl who seemed the most normal actually had the worst family life. Her dad was a pedophile and made her strip for him and stuff. She ended up falling hard in love after guys who weren't ready for the commitment and who always left her, I think she was hoping one of them would help her escape.

Hello,

I feel badly for her ordeal. It probably would have made her feel better just to know she wasn't alone. I hope her story found a happier place than its beginning, and I hope her father was eventually removed from circulation.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:19 PM

Her mom eventually divorced him, she didn't really tell anyone before then. I think she was afraid of reprisals, or maybe she was ashamed.

She's doing better now. She got married to a guy who seems decent.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Her mom eventually divorced him, she didn't really tell anyone before then. I think she was afraid of reprisals, or maybe she was ashamed.

She's doing better now. She got married to a guy who seems decent.

Hello,

I'm glad to hear she is doing better.

I did not have the courage as a child to come forward with the story of my own encounter with a family pedophile. I thought that accusing my Uncle would become a big mess and that because I had no evidence, there was no reason to believe me.

It wasn't until years later, when I expressed disinterest in his mortal diseases and an unwillingness to attend his funeral (an attitude out of character for me which alarmed my parents) that I felt comfortable enough to confess the tale.

Only then did I find out that my Uncle had been accused in another incident, dismissed due to lack of evidence. I will always regret not being braver and denouncing him. I often wonder how many victims he racked up while I was keeping mum.

But of course, I didn't know that, back then. And nobody talked about such things with children. And now he's dead and it's too late to help anyone. As a child I used to dream of being a hero, of rescuing someone from harm while defeating a villain. Not unlike Wulf's many adolescent fantasies. And as a child I actually had the chance to do just that- to imperil myself and rescue innocent strangers while confronting a villain. Only I didn't realize it, and so I became a monster's accomplice instead in a conspiracy of silence.

It'll be one of those regrets I carry for the rest of my life, and one of the few things I truly wish I could do-over.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:09 PM

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One of my friends first had sex with a boy her age when she was seven.

I re-iterate....HELLHOLE.

If you have sex at seven then you have been exposed to ADULT sexual behavior SOMEWHERE...and I doubt Spongebob gave 'em the idea...

Intelligent parents care about such things. The worlds youngest mother gave birth at SIX... Just because the rest of the world is a dirty crap-hill don't mean my kid should stink, too. Rest assured, she is well informed of the things she NEEDS to know...don't mean she could give informed CONSENT.

Which reminds me..I saw a psych study on TV years ago where they compared the thinking processes of a pre-adolescent to teen, asking them things like "Is it OK to steal?" Young kids say no, teens say no... "Is it Ok to steal if it will save the life of someone you love?" Young kids don't know what to say...Teens say..."YES"...
There IS a point where emotional self-understanding begins. Just because they have emotions doesn't mean they know what to do with them... Kids are not born fully formed. Most do not have full grasp of social complexities or consequences, and need gentile guidance. I have to say, I am around kids ALOT and they are not as deviant as the ones you are around, and the very few that are have really stupid-ass meth-head parents...

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:18 PM

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Rest assured, she is well informed of the things she NEEDS to know...don't mean she could give informed CONSENT.

Most of us just thought it was gross. I never really grew out of that, for the record.

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I saw a psych study on TV years ago where they compared the thinking processes of a pre-adolescent to teen, asking them things like "Is it OK to steal?" Young kids say no, teens say no... "Is it Ok to steal if it will save the life of someone you love?" Young kids don't know what to say...Teens say..."YES"...

There's three levels of ethics from what I understand. Something is wrong because there are laws against it, things that are wrong can be right under certain circumstances, or things are wrong because you're actually hurting people, even if it's also to help someone else.

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I have to say, I am around kids ALOT and they are not as deviant as the ones you are around

>_> Hope you don't mind me saying, but that MIGHT be because you're an adult.

Also I think a lot of adults have blocked out just how horrible childhood is.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:18 PM

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And as a child I actually had the chance to do just that- to imperil myself and rescue innocent strangers while confronting a villain.
--Anthony

It's called self-preservation. It's an over-riding force with us puny humans. If you HAD said something, I would've been surprised. Molestors are usually master manipulators. You didn't stand a chance.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:26 PM

Anthony, I think you're doing okay. There's a lot of things that you've had to cope with that I think took a lot of inner strength. There's lots of different ways to be heroic.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:34 PM

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Also I think a lot of adults have blocked out just how horrible childhood is.

That's one of the weird things hubbs and I have in common. We both remember spoken conversations freakily well, but I frequently get to the hardware store and have no idea what size thingamajigg I need, or what I did yesterday.
We both remember entire days in detail from most of our childhoods.
And yeah, we both agree...being a kid BLOWS. Most of our problems were because kids were very very aggressive. Which I blame on the parents MOST of the time too...My kid was being picked on by a little girl last year...turns out her mom was getting beaten up at home....sooo.....

The one kid I do know that has a sexual problem, I entirely blame on his parents...who are swingers...and have no problems lettin the kid know... and have detailed conversations about their sex-ploits in front of him.

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:37 PM

One of my other friends was pretty normal, but she walked in on her older sister masturbating once, and the two of us had a serious laugh over that. And the bratty mormon girls used to call me a lesbian because I was a serious tomboy back then. I bit one or two in my time. Totally had it coming. Intolerant homophobic witches. :/

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Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:13 PM

Nevr caught my parents doing anything,as my mother would have to relax for 30 seconds for that to happen, but I was snorkeling when I was about 9 right past a old guy who I'm sure knew his sea snake was free-swimming...*yuck
THAT shoulda put me off men entirely. THAT and my dad wore those horrible tight jeans cut-offs in the eighties waaaay tooooo long- WELL past their structural capacity and they lost containment once....At least he finally quit wearing 'em after that...

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Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:40 PM

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Beir bua agus beannacht

Hi Anthony, I think the things you were worried about, about no one believing you, about not having enough evidence, are things that any other child would have worried about at that age. You know it wasn't your fault and you did the best you knew at the time.

Byte, I've always believed that the girl at age 7, or the boy she rutted with, must have been exposed to something she shouldn't have been, because it would be quite rare for little ones that young to figure out the mechanics that clearly without interference from older kids or adults. Now kids can indeed learn to masterbate quite young and they could even show each other how, not realizing that its a private activity, but actual sex? One of them must have been exposed, unless it was a total fluke situation where they just did the math, or they read a book and decided to give it a go, also possible.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Monday, June 25, 2012 5:55 AM