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Until our culture stops perceiving the mentally ill as some kind of sideshow, something shameful, something to be shunned, we'll never be able to help people like James Holmes (Even among us here, I'm sure there are several of you who want nothing to do with helping him).
The state of the mental health system in America is apalling, not just in terms of funding and the like, but, more broadly and crucially, in terms of culture.

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Whatchu goin' do 'bout it, Willis??

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Want people to turn in people who SUSPECT others of being crazy??

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Mandatory group hugs every five minutes? Sing gospel while the mentals shoot at you?

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Once again, forest for the trees. What is actionable, vs what is moraly correct.

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Unless we focus on fixing what the hell goes wrong with the brain chemically, CAN'T DO NOTHIN, CAN'T FIX NOTHIN'. "Group huggies" and "kumbaya moments" DON'T FIX WHAT'S BROKE. Don't even help for more more than a few minutes, if that....

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Do I blame people for being crazy, NO. But I gotta hold them as accountable as everyone else until a better way comes along, otherwise all that's left is anarchy.

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I WILL NEVER MAKE EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE THAT HURT OTHER PEOPLE WITH IMPUNITY. EVER. YOU CAN'T STICK TO THAT ONE VERY SIMPLE DAMN RULE, YOU GET THE LOONEY BIN OR LETHAL INJECTION.
Makes that simple. And NO, I don't wanna help his ass, those people in that theater coulda just as easily been MY people.

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Oh, btw, the vest he wore was armored. There goes your ASSumption of an easy body shot.

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...Here's a pdf of a receipt for some of the equipment the shooter purchased. One of the items is called the "Blackhawk Urban Assault Vest". Here's what it looks like:


That's not a bulletproof vest. A clue can be found in the big green open spot in the middle of it. Some would call that "center mass"...

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"When I worked in mental health ..."

You were what ... mopping floors?

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One more observation - did you all find the spin on the reporting to be, well, head spinning?

Over a couple of hours the description of Holmes went from being a brilliant former PhD candidate in neuroscience to being a (soto voce graduate school) DROPOUT. Two reporters that I heard claimed it was an ego thing, yanno, he peaked in high school and his ego couldn't take the real world. Thank you doctor reporters for your professional diagnoses. Reporting skewed from 'no time for shock, no time to think, no time to mourn let's whore family members to warp-speed celebrate the LIFE of the bodies not yet cold!' to breathless rehashing by people who survived to grave and serious posturing.

It was the internal schism of infotainment for all to see. How can we pitch this event for maximal titillation of our viewing audience and keep on flogging it for gain? It was all their cheap and tawdry wares on display.

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
So, we have the following opinions,

Guns kill people. (In which case, all of my guns are defective.) Cars kill even more people, every single day. Ted Kennedy's car killed a person. I guess we should outlaw cars. Can't trust 'em. They do things of their own volition.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
One more observation - did you all find the spin on the reporting to be, well, head spinning?

Over a couple of hours the description of Holmes went from being a brilliant former PhD candidate in neuroscience to being a (soto voce graduate school) DROPOUT. Two reporters that I heard claimed it was an ego thing, yanno, he peaked in high school and his ego couldn't take the real world. Thank you doctor reporters for your professional diagnoses. Reporting skewed from 'no time for shock, no time to think, no time to mourn let's whore family members to warp-speed celebrate the LIFE of the bodies not yet cold!' to breathless rehashing by people who survived to grave and serious posturing.

It was the internal schism of infotainment for all to see. How can we pitch this event for maximal titillation of our viewing audience and keep on flogging it for gain? It was all their cheap and tawdry wares on display.

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The best thing that could have happened is that the judge sealed the court records. The media machine will hopefully starve and move onto easier prey.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Wish

Many years go I knew a young man who was probably the smartest person I'll ever meet in my life. After losing track of him, one day he suddenly showed up literally at my door - pale, extremely thin, shambling, mud on the back of his clothes like he'd been sleeping on the dirt, pupils fully dilated, deep in some silent internal conversation with himself, and off-topic - though not overtly 'crazy' - when he did speak with me. A few months later he committed suicide.

James Holmes' demeanor was remarkably similar, and I don't think you can fake pale skin and dilated pupils. While I think we need to wait for the complete diagnosis, I think it's rather premature to write off a psychotic break and put this all to fakery - don't you?

Also, FWIW, why don't you want to 'help his ass'? Is it too expensive for your tastes? Does that create a society too focused on people and not enough on business? Do you just want revenge, and, being too chicken to get a gun and blow him away yourself, you're content to let the machinery of society grind him to bits for you? And ready to watch with the satisfaction of one who's just had a tasty meal?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
physical intervention trainer - 'burly orderly'. Got it.

And THANKS for your 'expert' psychological observations.

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
So, we have the following opinions,

Guns kill people. (In which case, all of my guns are defective.) Cars kill even more people, every single day. Ted Kennedy's car killed a person. I guess we should outlaw cars. Can't trust 'em. They do things of their own volition.

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SWEET JAYSUS SHUT UP!!!! That's it for me, I cant read the rest of your post. If I see this moronic fucking NRA soundbite trotted out once more, I will go postal myself. You realise its the stupist statement ever. See Jason Alexander's response a couple of posts up which you clearly didn't read. And try to be original next time.

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Oh, and to put it out there, I have not only never been hospitalized for anything at all, I have never been treated for psychological issues, and have never been diagnosed with them.

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I was a physical intervention trainer. About half of my time was assigned to direct care on high risk wards. Forensic mostly, adult long term care and in at least one really scary case, adolescent and juvenile.

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Abuse of Brain Injured Americans Scandalizes U.S.
By David Armstrong - Jul 24, 2012 12:15 PM PT

...Staffers at his new home held him down and punched him in the face and groin, Price said. When Alopaeus’s efforts to transfer him stalled, Price said his desperation led him to a step aimed at speeding his release. He swallowed five fish hooks and 22 AA batteries he’d picked up during a patient outing at Wal-Mart. After emergency surgery to remove the objects, he was allowed to transfer to another facility.

Residents at the Florida Institute have often been abused, neglected and confined, according to 20 current and former patients and their family members, criminal charges, civil complaints and advocates for the disabled.

...On its website, the company calls itself a leader in brain- injury rehabilitation. In past statements it has said it vends “extremely high quality care to very difficult clients” aimed at returning them to their homes, doesn’t use seclusion and has “zero tolerance” for resident abuse.

Elbow Shots

Hardee County prosecutors have charged two FINR staffers with abusing Danny Silva, a 21-year-old autistic patient. Video of the alleged crime shows two large men flanking a smaller figure on a sofa as they punch, elbow and slap him at least 30 times. The blows often come after moans from the man in the middle, which appear to be making it hard for his assailants to hear the TV.

“Shut up, man,” they say in the video, taped by a FINR staffer, according to police. “You are getting on my damn nerves,” one of the hitters tells the smaller man between two elbow shots. A woman in nurse’s clothes shows up in the video to give the alleged victim his medicine.

... Employee McKinley Scott pulled autistic patient Gabriel Allen up from his seat and threw him to the ground last December in a second case, prosecutors say. A video in the case shows a man identified as Scott pushing Allen away from him on a couch, standing him up, kicking his legs out from under him and leaving him curled up on the floor next to a blinking Christmas tree. Scott, 48, has pleaded not guilty to an abuse charge. His lawyer didn’t return calls.

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Do inanimate objects in your little world spring to life and act on their own? You must be doing some really good drugs.

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Wish is not the most empathic person ever. She wanted to torture drug affected mothers in a recent thread.

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Wish is not the most empathic person ever. She wanted to torture drug affected mothers in a recent thread.

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It seems to me there are quite a few here who like to pretend they are saints.
WHAT... A.... JOKE.

Did you people ever stop to think that maybe it's YOUR fault things are sooo messed up? I'm sick of crackers handing out "Get outta trouble FREE" cards to every Schmuck and Sally-sob-story out there. Ya been HAD and ya too busy getting "huggy" to even notice... Put up a picture of murderer hugging a fluffy bunny and I GAR_ON_TEE half the suckers in here would just melt...
Or you could just let Niki TALK him ta death... Talk about scrollin' through stuff, geez.

The general public will never hold themselves accountable. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T.
If you can't handle hurting the "poor wittle murderers' and druggies and child abusers feeewings" you prolly outta step aside and let someone with the balls do it for ya.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

Did you people ever stop to think that maybe it's YOUR fault things are sooo messed up? I'm sick of crackers handing out "Get outta trouble FREE" cards to every Schmuck and Sally-sob-story out there. Ya been HAD and ya too busy getting "huggy" to even notice... Put up a picture of murderer hugging a fluffy bunny and I GAR_ON_TEE half the suckers in here would just melt...
Or you could just let Niki TALK him ta death... Talk about scrollin' through stuff, geez.

The general public will never hold themselves accountable. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T.
If you can't handle hurting the "poor wittle murderers' and druggies and child abusers feeewings" you prolly outta step aside and let someone with the balls do it for ya.

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"The only amendment left in the Constitution is the Second one. If you take away the right to due process, habeas corpus, the prohibition against cruel and unusual treatment because they now torture, if they can take all these away, they can take away the guns. Probably won't be much longer. They certainly have a Police State, it's in place, and we no longer have any rights. They can bring any kind of charges against anybody at any time. Or they can simply dissappear them. There's no longer any protection from being thrown in a dungeon for the rest of your life, without ever being told why you're there, hahaha, much less a court being told, or a jury, or any evidence presented. So, as far as I can tell, the Constitution no longer exists for any constraints on the power of government, and the page has turned, hahaha. Or they'll kill you with a drone."
-Dr Paul Craig Roberts PhD, Assistant Secretary of the US Department of the Treasury, Infowars Radio, 25 July 2012

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“The tragedy that played out in an Aurora movie theater Friday was ironically paralleled as a classroom learning experience in a medical school in Parker the same day. Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine is in the middle of holding specialized classes in disaster life support for 150 second-year medical students. Along with response to natural disasters like hurricanes and floods and terrorist attacks, one of the scenarios being used to train the students is how to respond if a shooter fires at people in a movie theater and also uses a bomb in the attack. 'The irony is amazing, just amazing,' said Rocky Vista Dean Dr. Bruce Dubin. The shootings in Aurora were incorporated into the teaching Friday, Dubin said."
-Nancy Lofholm, Denver Post, Real life shooting imitates training exercise at Parker medical school, 07/21/2012
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21126462/real-life-shooting-imitates
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"I didn't shoot nobody no Sir! I'm just a patsy!"
-Lee Harvey Oswald, shot and killed by a jewish mobster inside the same Dallas Police Dept that President JFK Sr was shot and killed in front of

"Any prosecutor can convict a guilty man; it takes a great prosecutor to convict an innocent man."
-Dallas DA Henry Wade

"As district attorney of Dallas for an unprecedented 36 years, Henry Wade was the embodiment of Texas justice. Nineteen convictions — three for murder and the rest involving rape or burglary — won by Wade and two successors who trained under him have been overturned after DNA evidence exonerated the defendants. About 250 more cases are under review. No other county in America — and almost no state, for that matter — has freed more innocent people from prison in recent years than Dallas County, where Wade was DA from 1951 through 1986. John Stickels, a University of Texas at Arlington criminology professor and a director of the Innocence Project of Texas, blames a culture of 'win at all costs.' 'When someone was arrested, it was assumed they were guilty,' he said. 'I think prosecutors and investigators basically ignored all evidence to the contrary and decided they were going to convict these guys.' In his last 20 years as district attorney, his office won 165,000 convictions, the Dallas Morning News reported when he retired. In the 1960s, Wade secured a murder conviction against Ruby, the Dallas nightclub owner who shot Lee Harvey Oswald after Oswald's arrest in the assassination of President Kennedy. Ruby's conviction was overturned on appeal, and he died before Wade could retry him."
-MSNBC, "After Dallas DA’s death 19 convictions undone," 7/29/2008
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25917791/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/aft
er-dallas-das-death-convictions-undone/

"When we got into office, the thing that surprised me the most was that things were as bad as we'd been saying they were."
-John F. Kennedy Sr.

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
-John F. Kennedy Sr.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-John F. Kennedy Sr., In a speech at the White House, 1962

"And so, my fellow americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
-John F. Kennedy Sr., Inaugural address, January 20, 1961

"We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of Truth."
-John F. Kennedy Sr., October 26, 1963

"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all."
-John F. Kennedy Sr., speech at Vanderbilt University, May 18, 1963

"The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word "crisis". One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity. In a crisis, be aware of the danger — but recognize the opportunity."
The supreme reality of our time is our indivisibility as children of God and the common vulnerability of this planet."
-JFK Sr

"A [Berlin] wall is a hell of a lot better than a war."
-JFK Sr

"The supreme reality of our time is our indivisibility as children of God and the common vulnerability of this planet."
-JFK Sr

"Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind."
-John F. Kennedy Sr., Speech to UN General Assembly, Sept. 25, 1961

"I will smash the CIA into a thousand pieces!"
-President JFK Sr, after his veto of Operation Northwoods by Pentagon and CIA (then used to assassinate him)

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"We need to brainwash people to think about guns in a vastly different way."
-US attorney general Eric Holder, massmurdering terrorist of Operation Fast and Furious and the OK City Bombing, CSPAN2, 1985

"I'm Barack Obama, the Marxist professor. I spent the last two years of high school in a daze. I drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically. Look I uh, when I was a kid , I inhaled, frequently. that was uh, that was the point. Now you know that guy ain't shit. Sorry ass motherfuckers got nothin on me, nothin. Shit's gettin way too complicated for me. There are white folks, then there are ignorant motherfuckers like you. You can put lipstick on a pig. You ain't my bitch nigger, buy your own damn fries. That's just how white folks will do ya."
-Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro, Dreams From My Father MP3
http://www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I was talking about our alienated culture. Our culture that can't even tolerate people being kind to one another without logging our contempt. What goes wrong with the chemistry? Well, the chemistry of male children goes wrong when their lacrimal systems are all but shut down. It's important for humans to cry when the body prompts us to tears. As I suggested in another thread: if a culture were to make a taboo of urination, we would all see how that could lead to serious physical and mental problems. But we in this culture think nothing of telling boys (and girls) to STOP CRYING, YA BABY!

I was in no way implying that hugs and kumbaya were going to fix a damn thing. I was speaking to the pervasive contempt in our culture for healing, for vulnerability and "neediness," exemplified by folks who scoff at people who reach out to other human beings for help and support. If we deride such things when they are as trivial as a group hug, why should anyone be surprised when people with real, deep-rooted problems never seek help until they've gotten to the point when killing a hundred or so people looks like a good idea? I was talking about a need for our culture to evolve a little, to recognize that fucking up children's natural emotional functioning has devastating effects on the culture as a whole. I'd like us to shoot for something higher than "better than the Taliban."

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Troll

I have to say this new site puzzles me. I'm beginning to notice that sometimes posts don't show up for hours while later posts show up right away. I didn't see your post w/ the receipt until I went to your 'name', and clicked on your posts one by each.

So yes, you're right - I didn't respond to that one. I apologize.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
I was going to respond regarding my experiences in the mental health field. But I figured, why should I bother? Any of you who are using that comment as an angle to attack me aren't interested. To those who are interested in attacking, screw all of you.

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Oh boo-freaking-hoo, ya big baby.





Funny that you'd be whining so much about being "attacked" given what you've chosen for your signature here.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

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Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and
force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of
either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under
threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two
categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact
through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social
interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the
personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use
reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your
threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on
equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal
footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal
footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun
removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a
potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad
force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more
civilized if all guns were removed from society. But, a firearm makes
it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only
true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by
choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a
mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a
successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force
monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute
lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come
out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes
lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not
the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an
octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would
not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and
easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I
cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid,
but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions
of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of
those who would do so by force. It removes force from the
equation. And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

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As usual, Troll, you reflect the typical pro-gun advocate's mentality: All or nothing. Has anyone HERE said anything about doing away with guns?

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NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE GUNS IN AMERICA. Can you understand that?

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the ease with which such things are obtained, stuff like that.

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Try to think of it on a nice long line. At one end is "NO GUNS", at the other is "EVERYONE CAN HAVE ANY GUN THEY WANT".

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So if you want to post something that might have validity to the gun issue, try posting something relevant. Or not. 'Sup to you.

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We don't know what kind of orderly Troll was, so why are we assuming ill of him, just because you disagree with his politics? That's not a fair reason to assume he's abusive to his charges. That's not fair.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Lil Wayne Video Featured Exactly 12 Skeletons in a Theater 3 Days Prior to Batman Massacre
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CONGRESSMAN RON PAUL MD RESPONDS TO THE DARK KNIGHT MOVIE MASSACRE

The senseless and horrific killings last week at a movie theater in Colorado reminded Americans that life is fragile and beautiful, and we should not take family, friends, and loved ones for granted. Our prayers go out to the injured victims and the families of those killed. As a nation we should use this terrible event to come together with the resolve to create a society that better values life.

We should also face the sober reality that government cannot protect us from all possible harm. No matter how many laws we pass, no matter how many police or federal agents we put on the streets, no matter how routinely we monitor internet communications, a determined individual or group can still cause great harm. We as individuals are responsible for our safety and the safety of our families.

Furthermore, it is the role of civil society rather than government to build a culture of responsible, peaceful, productive individuals. Government cannot mandate morality or instill hope in troubled individuals. External controls on our behavior imposed by government through laws, police, and jails usually apply only after a terrible crime has occurred.

Internal self governance, by contrast, is a much more powerful regulator of human behavior than any law. This self-governance must be developed from birth, first by parents but later also through the positive influence of relatives and adult role models. Beyond childhood, character development can occur through religious, civic, and social institutions. Ultimately, self-governance cannot be developed without an underlying foundation of morality.

Government, however, is not a moral actor. The state should protect our rights, but it cannot develop our character. Whenever terrible crimes occur, many Americans understandably demand that government “do something” to prevent similar crimes in the future. But this reflexive impulse almost always leads to bad laws and the loss of liberty.

Do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, and metal detectors? Do we really believe government can provide total security? Do we want to involuntarily commit every disaffected, disturbed, or alienated person who fantasizes about violence? Or can we accept that liberty is more important than the illusion of state-provided security?

Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.

http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&am
p;id=1994:security-and-self-goverance&catid=64:2012-texas-straight-talk&Itemid=69




TODAY RON PAUL'S AUDIT THE "FED" BANK BILL PASSED IN THE HOUSE, DEMOCRATS IN SENATE VOW FOR DENY ANY VOTE TO SAVE THE JEW BANKSTERS WHO OWN THE US GOVT VIA COUNTERFEITING, DEBT AND STEALING 100% OF FED INCOME TAXES
http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-07-25/economy/32842363_1_bank-ref
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According to a very coherent eyewitness in the Colorado theater where the shooting took place — a man sitting near one of the fire exits in the front row received a phone call near the beginning of the film feature.

This phone call struck the witness as odd due to the fact that the man did not leave the theater after he began to talk on the phone.

Just after the man disconnected the call he went to the fire exit and propped the exit open with his foot in some way and possiblely a shim of some type directing or waving another person toward the direction of the exit door.

According to the witness, about 15 minutes into the film the fire exit door swung open and a man about 5’9? fully decked out in tactical clothing and heavy body armor entered the theater by throwing a canister of toxic gas into the crowd.

http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/22/second-operative-got-call-to-open-co
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It seems to me there are quite a few here who like to pretend they are saints.
WHAT... A.... JOKE.

Did you people ever stop to think that maybe it's YOUR fault things are sooo messed up? I'm sick of crackers handing out "Get outta trouble FREE" cards to every Schmuck and Sally-sob-story out there. Ya been HAD and ya too busy getting "huggy" to even notice... Put up a picture of murderer hugging a fluffy bunny and I GAR_ON_TEE half the suckers in here would just melt...
Or you could just let Niki TALK him ta death... Talk about scrollin' through stuff, geez.

The general public will never hold themselves accountable. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T.
If you can't handle hurting the "poor wittle murderers' and druggies and child abusers feeewings" you prolly outta step aside and let someone with the balls do it for ya.

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