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“(P)olitical conservatism is promoted when people rely on low-effort thinking. When effortful, deliberate responding is disrupted or disengaged, thought processes become quick and efficient; these conditions promote conservative ideology… low-effort thought might promote political conservatism because its concepts are easier to process, and processing fluency increases attitude endorsement.”

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Interesting. Not saying it's difinitive, or concrete, but it is interesting.

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“(P)olitical conservatism is promoted when people rely on low-effort thinking. When effortful, deliberate responding is disrupted or disengaged, thought processes become quick and efficient; these conditions promote conservative ideology… low-effort thought might promote political conservatism because its concepts are easier to process, and processing fluency increases attitude endorsement.”

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

The result of low-effort thinking?

Wow, that seems kind of loaded. Maybe conservatism is the result of good presentation.

I think everyone enjoys easily digestable ideas and simple, relatable solutions.

I often think that liberals' primary failure is a tendency to frame arguments and ideas in ways that either don't appeal to their audience or are needlessly complicated.

It is not that liberalism is very complicated, to my mind. It's about salesmanship.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

The result of low-effort thinking?

Wow, that seems kind of loaded. Maybe conservatism is the result of good presentation.

I think everyone enjoys easily digestable ideas and simple, relatable solutions.

I often think that liberals' primary failure is a tendency to frame arguments and ideas in ways that either don't appeal to their audience or are needlessly complicated.

It is not that liberalism is very complicated, to my mind. It's about salesmanship.

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I think you make some fair points, but I think there's more to it than salesmanship - though simple black/white messages are easier TO sell, so there's certainly a correlation.

But I don't think it's a coincidence that conservatives are more likely to deny or ignore science, or other more complex ways of understanding things, and prefer to lean on religion, or tradition, or bumper sticker slogans parading as policy.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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I don't think it's a coincidence that conservatives are more likely to deny or ignore science

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Originally posted by kpo:
Liberal arguments are more cerebral, and conservatives on the whole are more gut-driven and lazy-minded. Just my opinion, but it seems obvious to me.

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Originally posted by kpo:
Liberal arguments are more cerebral, and conservatives on the whole are more gut-driven and lazy-minded. Just my opinion, but it seems obvious to me.

As for salesmanship, they're selling completely different philosophies, and worldviews. Liberals are selling complexity and nuance and enlightened thinking, conservatives are selling a more simple, black and white, good vs. evil, what does your gut tell you message. Conservatives can happily sell their message with anecdotes and unsubstantiated theory, but it would be anathema to liberals to argue without data, and evidence (compare the 'War against Women' and 'War against Men' threads).

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

The result of low-effort thinking?

Wow, that seems kind of loaded. Maybe conservatism is the result of good presentation.

I think everyone enjoys easily digestable ideas and simple, relatable solutions.

I often think that liberals' primary failure is a tendency to frame arguments and ideas in ways that either don't appeal to their audience or are needlessly complicated.

It is not that liberalism is very complicated, to my mind. It's about salesmanship.

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I think you make some fair points, but I think there's more to it than salesmanship - though simple black/white messages are easier TO sell, so there's certainly a correlation.

But I don't think it's a coincidence that conservatives are more likely to deny or ignore science, or other more complex ways of understanding things, and prefer to lean on religion, or tradition, or bumper sticker slogans parading as policy.




Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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I don't think it's a coincidence that conservatives are more likely to deny or ignore science

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Hello,

It's bizarre to me that liberals keep talking to conservatives about science. They clearly do not believe that science is a motivator for them, but their arguments often center around science.

Let us imagine that I am selling a car. It is the fastest car in the world. It can generate 10,000 Horsepower via a micro cold-fusion laser-ignition powerplant. It is also cute as a button, the safest car in the world, the most comfortable to sit in, the easiest to drive, and it is available in any desired color.

If a hip young customer comes into my sales lot looking for a cute pink car, it does not behoove me to rattle on about the 10,000 horsepower micro cold-fusion laser-ignition powerplant. No matter how long or hard I talk about this, it will not make my customer care and it will not convince them to buy the car.

I see this happening a lot. I don't think people who 'reject science' are inherently more prone to become conservatives or embrace conservative ideas. I do think the conservative parties know how to talk to them about their product. I don't think the liberal parties do.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Liberal arguments are more cerebral, and conservatives on the whole are more gut-driven and lazy-minded. Just my opinion, but it seems obvious to me.

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Exactly opposite, and you've got it right on.

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I think emotional processors and data processors can come to the same conclusions.

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I've known many very intellectual people, mentally sharp, who would pretty much die rather than admit they're wrong--and in some cases, are unable to even SEE they are wrong.

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I think honesty follows openness, self-awareness, and mental sharpness/intellectuality can be applied to honesty.

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A purely intellectual individual may find very good reasons to lie.

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Emotional thinkers are likely willing to be good and honest.

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Many of the philosophies the Left abhors are the product of intellectuals finding ways to dismantle the natural compassion of emotional thinkers.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
The premise of this thread is kinda horrendous. I don't see how anything good comes out of thinking your political opponents are all imbeciles.

I go back to my buddy Wilhelm Reich and his contention that liberalism and conservatism are both mental disorders. Here's the skinny: all of us humans have a deep down vicious/selfish streak. All of us. It's not pretty, but it's there. It comes in handy sometimes to keep us breathing. The only way to "combat" it is to get to know it, integrate it and move on. Both the liberal thinker and the conservative thinker are unable to accept this about human nature.

So, the liberal's solution is to deny it by retreating into an idealized sense of self in the imagination. People are all fundamentally rational--or could be if they tried real hard!--and all the ugliness in the world can be gotten rid of! As this kind of liberalism progresses, the patient gets more and more rigid and dogmatic and that's where you get the constant harping on global warming, the obsessive and pointless appeal to "reason."

In contrast, the conservative strategy for dealing with the brutish ungovernable aspects of human nature is to project them onto "the other." I guess it could be argued here that this is less "intellectually complex" and so "lazy" compared with the mental gymnastics the liberal mind so readily performs--TA DA! But both methods remain in serious need of some personal introspection.

I'd say, in general, liberals would do well to keep reminding themselves that RATIONALITY CANNOT AND WILL NEVER SOLVE EVERYTHING and conservatives would do well to remind themselves that ALL THE EVIL I SEE IN MY ENEMIES LIVES IN MY HEART AS WELL.

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