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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Do you need to be mauled by a cat to know it can mess you up? My school was eclectic, drawing from many traditions. "Sport martial arts" don't "work" anyway, 'cause if they did, the contetants would all have broken bones and lacerated tendons and such. One of the easiest and most effective moves you can learn is the knee break, but nobody does that move in competition because it could end someone's career. Sport martial arts are designed to look damaging but not to be damaging in any perminent way. The motto of my school was "One hit, one destruction." Open sparring was something we didn't get into until our first degree.

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
The only MMA that works is wrestling, mixed with strikes to the most vulnerable parts.

And strength, always strength.

Just ask yourself this...

If "martial arts" were so great... like, some magical thing...

How did the Marines beat the Japanese in WW2? A LOT of it was hand to hand combat.

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
The only MMA that works is wrestling, mixed with strikes to the most vulnerable parts.

And strength, always strength.

Just ask yourself this...

If "martial arts" were so great... like, some magical thing...

How did the Marines beat the Japanese in WW2? A LOT of it was hand to hand combat.



"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Since a certain someone wants something other than what is the current norm around here let us talk about Mixed Martial Arts.

I'm a MMA fan and have been one for quite some time. For those of you not familiar with the sport, MMA is full contact fighting in which most types of striking (punches, kicks, knees…est.) are allowed as well as grappling.

Fights are won by knocking your opponent out, by submitting your opponent or by judges decision.

This Saturday night is the next UFC event. The UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championships) is the premier MMA organization in the world. Saturday's main event has the current Heavyweight Champion Junior Dos Santos defending his title against the man he took it from Cain Velasquez.

So...anyone here a fan or watched MMA before? Anyone against it?

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Ill give you the man who has trained his entire life in MMA. Wrestling, striking, a great ground game. Jet-Li fast, with power to match.

VS.

My mother-in-law.

Shes in her 60s. Has diabetes. Can't get down the stairs on her own.

Except.

I just gave her my Glock. With its pretty hi-cap mag.

Who wins?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I do wish there was a way to practice the art without damaging an opponent.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Yeah, a knee break is not going to be very effective against an opponent who is anticipating it

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
"Also the fighter wins. He covers the distance of the cage before your mother-in-law can even cock the gun."

Would anyone like to explain to this fool that a Glock is a striker-fired pistol? And what that means?

No?

Ok, clown. No.

What happens is your great fighter starts charging, and my humble mother-in-law starts squeezing the trigger.

Many grains of lead fly into him.

And before he even get within 2 feet of my mother-in-law, the drop in blood pressure makes him fall to his knees.

2 to the head finishes it.

If you fight fair in a fight... you are fighting wrong.

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
If you bring a gun to a fist fight... you are better prepared.




"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
"Hello Wulf,

Police are trained that they can not un-holster and fire a weapon at an opponent within 21 feet with a reliable chance of success."

So... give up if they cross into the 7 yard kill zone?

Just drop the weapon, bend over, and say hello to Buddah?

Or, empty your mag into them?

Sometimes, you being a lawyer is annoying. :)


"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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MMA competitions have shown that pure disciplines such a Kung Fu don't work very well in real fights.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

The old traditional forms do still have worth though. The discipline and traditions are very valuable - though less so much for the beat down aspects.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I think they often provide a good foundation, at least.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
The old traditional forms do still have worth though. The discipline and traditions are very valuable - though less so much for the beat down aspects.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Do you need to be mauled by a cat to know it can mess you up? My school was eclectic, drawing from many traditions. "Sport martial arts" don't "work" anyway, 'cause if they did, the contetants would all have broken bones and lacerated tendons and such. One of the easiest and most effective moves you can learn is the knee break, but nobody does that move in competition because it could end someone's career. Sport martial arts are designed to look damaging but not to be damaging in any perminent way.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Hi Nick, You want to know a not-so-secret secret? I enjoy ... watching men fight.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I personally find it fascinating to watch, but kind of against my better Buddhist judgement. No one is forced to do it though...
As a martial artist there is a high degree of technical interest for me, but I wouldn't want my Son to do it.
BUT, I don't seek it out, rather if it's on and I pass it, I'll look in.

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