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Chris Kyle *WAS* the quintessential good guy with a gun - well-trained, very professional, heavily armed, and one of the best shots on the planet. And at a gun range full of armed people, he nor anyone else was capable of stopping one single bad guy with a gun.

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You know, out of objective interest, I'm dying to see how they DO react to it.

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If only he'd had a gun, or been trained in how to use it...


Or maybe taking a PTSD sufferer to the gun range wasn't the most helpful idea for treatment.


So where were all the "good guys with guns" who were supposed to make sure this couldn't happen? They were at a gun range, with guns, and the shooter got away? Really?

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Another stupid question about black/white.....


In the mean time, good for you Team NON-GUNS...!

Another win for you!



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So where were all the "good guys with guns" who were supposed to make sure this couldn't happen? They were at a gun range, with guns, and the shooter got away? Really?

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So where were all the "good guys with guns" who were supposed to make sure this couldn't happen? They were at a gun range, with guns, and the shooter got away? Really?

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And since everyone who legally drives has been tested and has a license confirming they passed that test, there are never any traffic accidents (or, as you'd have it, any unintended results) and no one ever gets hurt.

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And since everyone who legally drives has been tested and has a license confirming they passed that test

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As a victim of an armed robbery I can tell you that crime happens exactly when you least expect it, or when you're least prepared to deal with it. It happens in an instant, without fanfare, and then gun or no gun, you just try to survive it. Unless you're Rambo or 007, you don't make a play.

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As a victim of an armed robbery I can tell you that crime happens exactly when you least expect it, or when you're least prepared to deal with it. It happens in an instant, without fanfare, and then gun or no gun, you just try to survive it. Unless you're Rambo or 007, you don't make a play.

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In Jr High & High school, 'Sucker Punch' was a favourite passtime for bullies. Out of nowhere, BAM. That was good training for me. I'm fully confident in most cases when no gun is present, but some nut pulls a gun, your advice above is the rule. Even IF you can redirect the gun for that crucial moment, an innocent could be wounded or killed. It really isn't like in the movies, and carrying a gun your own self wouldn't make it any better.

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As a victim of an armed robbery I can tell you that crime happens exactly when you least expect it, or when you're least prepared to deal with it. It happens in an instant, without fanfare, and then gun or no gun, you just try to survive it. Unless you're Rambo or 007, you don't make a play.

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In Jr High & High school, 'Sucker Punch' was a favourite passtime for bullies. Out of nowhere, BAM. That was good training for me. I'm fully confident in most cases when no gun is present, but some nut pulls a gun, your advice above is the rule. Even IF you can redirect the gun for that crucial moment, an innocent could be wounded or killed. It really isn't like in the movies, and carrying a gun your own self wouldn't make it any better.

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Like Zoe said, a hero is someone who gets other people killed.

In my case I was held with two women at gunpoint by a young thug in one of the back offices, while his accomplices raided the accounting office money room. One of the girls with me was the owner's pregnant wife. He asked for our wallets and watches. I could tell his gun was a cheap piece of crap, and I wondered if it was even loaded or in working condition. The girls stood terrified behind a big desk and I was in front. It didn't seem real. It seemed like I was in a movie. I was more pissed off than scared. All sorts of scenarios were racing through my mind. I thought he wasn't going to shoot all of us, why would he. I thought if he did look like he was going to start shooting I would have to try to do something to prevent him from killing all of us. I thought about throwing something from the desk at him and then doing a "Mannix" tuck and roll to overpower him and get the gun. I thought about putting one right in his head and then going after the others. I thought about catching them by surprise and shooting them dead. All these thoughts were spinning around in my brain, yet something compelled me just to stand there and do nothing. I knew our survival depended on me doing nothing stupid. After 15 minutes it was all over and they fled into their car and sped away. No one could even see the make or model. Other employees had been held at gunpoint too and they came out and joined us. We were all quite shaken up but luckily all alive and well. The boss thanked me for looking out for his wife and the other girl. It made me feel very guilty. I went home after that and replayed the whole thing about a zillion times in my head. It took me a couple of years before I started to get through a day without thinking about it. That child she was carrying is now about to graduate college.

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So where were all the "good guys with guns" who were supposed to make sure this couldn't happen? They were at a gun range, with guns, and the shooter got away? Really?

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And since everyone who legally drives has been tested and has a license confirming they passed that test, there are never any traffic accidents (or, as you'd have it, any unintended results) and no one ever gets hurt.

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So where were all the "good guys with guns" who were supposed to make sure this couldn't happen? They were at a gun range, with guns, and the shooter got away? Really?

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In your honest assessment, would more guns have made for a better outcome in that situation?

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So where were all the "good guys with guns" who were supposed to make sure this couldn't happen? They were at a gun range, with guns, and the shooter got away? Really?

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And since everyone who legally drives has been tested and has a license confirming they passed that test, there are never any traffic accidents (or, as you'd have it, any unintended results) and no one ever gets hurt.

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That doesn't make any sense.

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As much sense as your original statement. That's sort'a the point.


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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My original statement is predicated on the statement of Wayne LaPierre, who said that "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

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My original statement is predicated on the statement of Wayne LaPierre, who said that "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

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The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:

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you distort Mr. LaPierre's statement to mean that a good guy with a gun will ALWAYS be there to stop a bad guy with a gun, and then trot out this distortion every time there is a shooting.

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Life is not even remotely fair.
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An active duty US Marine has contacted Infowars to express doubts about the narrative behind the death of former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, alleging that the man charged with his murder, Eddie Ray Routh, may not have suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

38-year-old Kyle, New York Times bestselling author of American Sniper, was credited with the most sniper kills in U.S. military history. He was shot at point blank range by Routh at a shooting range in Texas on Saturday, authorities say. Kyle’s 35-year-old friend Chad Littlefield was also shot dead.

The two men had apparently been helping Routh work through Post Traumatic Stress Disorder PTSD and after his arrest, “Routh told authorities he was a Marine veteran,” reports CBS News.

However, an active duty Marine has doubts about Routh’s story, telling us that he never saw combat and therefore is unlikely to have suffered from PTSD.

The Marine, who was stationed in the same barracks as Routh in 2007 at Camp Lejeune, N.C, wished to remain anonymous but sent us his military credentials as well as an unpublished photo of Routh in his military fatigues. We were also able to verify that the email was sent from a legitimate .mil email address.

“After seeing this picture I just remembered this guy lived in the same barracks as me in 2007 in Camp Lejeune, N.C., he was definitely NOT a highly trained Marine he was a mechanic in for only about 4 years,” said the Marine.

“My friend deployed to Iraq with Eddie Routh and this guy never even went outside the wire, so the PTSD from combat as the news is saying is unlikely, and this guy was no highly trained Marine as they are also saying in the news,” he added.

The Marine also told us that Routh “was into drugs.”

“I’m sure this will all come out eventually. Please do not release my name, I am an active duty Marine and I don’t need the attention,” he concluded.

If Routh’s problems with PTSD were not genuine, he wouldn’t have had the justification to be under Kyle’s wing, suggesting he may have embellished the issue in order to gain Kyle’s trust before shooting him.

According to reports, Routh was taken to a mental hospital on two separate occasions in the months leading up to the murder. Authorities are yet to establish a motive for the crime.

As we reported yesterday, Chris Kyle was emerging as a prominent critic of the Obama administration’s gun control agenda and had begun running programs focused around putting armed security guards in schools as well as training teachers with firearms.

In an interview conducted weeks before his death, the former Navy Seal warned that the White House’s attempt to ban semi-automatic rifles was “just opening the door so you can start taking more of our rights.”

http://www.infowars.com/us-marine-questions-narrative-behind-chris-kyl
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American Coward Chris Kyle claims he punched out Governor Jesse The Body Ventura

Jesse Ventura Gets Backing Of Former SEALs In Lawsuit Over “Punch” Hoax

Former Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura’s lawsuit against Navy SEAL Chris Kyle over Kyle’s claims that he punched Ventura in a bar for insulting a dead U.S. soldier has gone to court, with Ventura receiving the backing of several prominent former SEALs who affirm the incident never happened.

Kyle claimed that he met Ventura in a bar in Coronado in 2006 while Ventura was in town to speak to a new class of SEAL graduates at nearby Naval Amphibious Base Coronado. Also present were family members holding a wake for Michael Mansoor, one of the first SEALs killed in Iraq. Kyle claims Ventura began loudly objecting to the war in Iraq before calling the troops “murderers” and saying “we deserved to lose a few guys”.

Kyle then claims he punched Ventura, knocked him to the floor, and quickly ran away.

The story was included in Kyle’s book, American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History, and during a subsequent television interview on Fox News, owned by News Corp. which also owns the publisher of the book, Kyle named Ventura as the man he “laid out.”

After Ventura found out about the claim, he immediately instructed his lawyer to file a lawsuit against Kyle for defamation, asserting that the incident never took place place and that he had witnesses to prove it, having only visited the bar in question once before.

Back in February, Kyle filed a petition to have the case moved to U.S. District Court in St. Paul. Ventura considered dropping the case but after being contacted by several prominent former US Navy Seals, was “ordered” to go ahead with the lawsuit after Kyle failed to agree to a settlement that would have seen him admit to lying and pay attorney fees.

One of those ex-SEALs is Ventura’s former instructor, the widely respected Terry “Mother” Moy, owner of the bar where the incident is alleged to have occurred.

After investigating the incident, Moy and his fellow SEALs confirmed that the event never took place and that Kyle had invented it to generate publicity for his book.

An added reason for their support of Ventura is the fact that they are sick of seeing Navy SEALs stab each other in the back for profit, the former Governor of Minnesota told Infowars.

Shortly after the controversy erupted at the beginning of the year, Ventura told Infowars that he thought the story may have been concocted for the additional reason of discrediting him politically because of his vehement support for Ron Paul and his crusade against the TSA.

“If a former Governor within the SEAL community had been knocked down and hit and assaulted, it would have traveled through the SEAL community like wildfire,” said Ventura, pointing out how “absurd” it was for the incident only to come to light almost six years later.

“He never hit me, I don’t even know who he is,” said Ventura, adding that if the incident had occurred the way Kyle described, there would be a police report, which there isn’t.

Jesse Ventura will appear on the Alex Jones Show for a full hour tomorrow to discuss the lawsuit.

http://www.infowars.com/jesse-ventura-gets-backing-of-former-seals-in-
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He says that *ONLY* a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. I point out how very rarely that happens. If that's the ONLY thing that can do it, why doesn't it happen more than about 1% of the time?

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He says that *ONLY* a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. I point out how very rarely that happens. If that's the ONLY thing that can do it, why doesn't it happen more than about 1% of the time?

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