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Originally posted by Righteous9:
YOUR president is claiming Executive privilege on everything Auraptor. YOUR party is happy to remain blissfully ignorant of information. YOUR party doesn't want to govern, apparently, it wants to be taken care of by a daddy government. YOU want to abdicate responsibility over OUR democracy. We cannot check our politicians if we have no facts. We can't do our jobs as citizens. Apparently you are fine with that. Why do you hate our freedoms?

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Originally posted by kpo:
Is the idea to post quotes that have blown our minds? That reveal a person's worldview to be completely insane or illogical? Certain conservatives on here blow my mind quite regularly.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I can't imagine a worse way to "provide" coverage for all Americans' than to force them into the rapacious jaws of health insurances, and to back it up by funneling government money with them. To me, this is the worst of both worlds: Government intrusion and getting fucked over by the same bastards who created our current nightmare.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Without Health Insurance a person, even one making good money like myself, can't afford basic medical care. I like this idea. In 2004 when the Republicans failed to provide a Health reform plan that applied to real people (Medical savings accounts only work for people with money to save...and what's $500 or $1000 in savings compared to bills that easily reach the tens of thousands for simple surgical proceedures) I thought something like this would be useful.

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Before anything like 'mandatory' health insurance is approved of by me, I'd need to know a LOT more details.

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One issue is price controls.

If everyone is insured then usage of the health care system will skyrocket. If there is no immediate increase in service providers and resources then prices will spike (because one doctor can only see so many people). If prices spike then price controls are the only solution.

According to Dick Morris, when all this was being bounced around in 1994 this was something that was at the center of the Clinton plan. Rationing limited resources, price controls, strict control of wages, specialties, practice areas for new doctors, etc.

What it means is that if you are in this system then "no" may be your answer. If you need heart surgury you'll apply and they'll possibly say "no". Not, second opinion, not go to another hospital... just plain "no". If you get the procedure done (in the US) then you'll have violated the law and so will the doctor who did it. This is Canada's system and why so many folks from countries with socialized medicine make discreet trips to the US for major surguries.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I'm with Sarge, besides, the words "Government Mandated" drive me into a berserk rage no matter what idiotic idea they precede.

Insurance, as a general rule, is just a successful Ponzi scam anyway, considering they use most of the money they rake in from Govt Mandated "clients" (read: victims) to hire lawyers and buy off courts so they don't actually have to fulfill their end of the deal - not to mention since it's mandatory, THEY get to write the contract any way they like, and change it at a whim, and the only choice YOU get is vaseline or K-Y, cause all them bastards are gonna do ya.



-Frem

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The current crop of Republicans ...(kinder, gentler fascists)

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If Republicans were fascists, like you and so many say they are, they would not have reliquished their power in Congress after the mid-term elections. If Republicans were fascists, most of the Dem leadership would have been lined up against a wall and shot. If they were fascists they would have shut down or censored most of the major media outlets in the country, and there would be Martial Law enacted in many cities. That's REAL fascism baby....my kind of fascism....I don't know what the hell you and the rest of your ilk have to complain about; or is it that you just hate President Bush so much that you cannot get through a single day without venting your hatred in an endless barrage of hyperbolized bullshit.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
it's the Liberals in America who are turning into the real fascists in America...little by little, directing our lives, our thoughts, ruining the quality of life by mandating :
Smoking bans
Trans fat bans
Political correctness
Gay Rights
Affirmative Action
Abortion Rights
Illegal Alien Rights
etc etc
I never voted to approve any of the above, yet it's been shoved down my throat and I'm supposed to accept it as normal....was never even given an opportunity to vote on any of it...now that's what I call fascism.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
RFK Jr calls for the 'treating' of legitimate businesses as if they had committed treason. And the Patriot Act ? I fail to see the danger here. When I was younger, and heard arguments about how the Gov't had the 'right' to search property for illegal drugs, like one's car, even with out probable cause, I was indifferent. " If you've got nothing to hide, why are you afraid of what they might find. And if you're afraid, then maybe you're hiding something...." Of course, I later grew up and took courses in Constitutional law, and it dawned on me that we, as individuals have rights, and it's the Gov'ts job to PROTECT those rights, not trample on them.

So, to be honest, I'm at a cross roads. On the surface, I see nothing wrong w/ the Patriot Act. All the fears which folks claim 'COULD' happen, aren't. I don't see any rash of people's rights being violated, either by legitimate or false reasons. When the issue of terrorism is brought up, I recall the old line, " If you've got nothing to hide, why worry ? ", which of course brings me to a pause. ISthe 'war on terror' nothing more than a reved up version of the failed and pointless 'war on drugs' ? Then I think of 9/11. I watch a documentary or what ever, and remember what it was like on that day. Sure, there's the possibility that the P.A. could be used and abused.....but as of yet, I'm not convinced it has.

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Originally posted by leadb:
"Sure, there's the possibility that the P.A. could be used and abused.....but as of yet, I'm not convinced it has.

Eyes wide open."

And I cannot provide clear proof it has; but I believe the language is problematic and should be tuned back so it cannot be. In any case, yes, keep "Eyes wide open" please.

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*Raises hand*

I can.

Can, have, and did.
See Thread: More Lies and Alibis.

The FBI flatly lied, repeatedly, as an excuse to steal personal info for unapproved data-mining programs unrelated to national security.

Abuses of this nature are like roaches, for every one you see, there's many more you don't cause they just hide it behind various levels of classification - and we find out 10-29 years later.

Such powers are ALWAYS abused, it's just human nature, is what it is.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm so totally on the fence about this issue.

Should I be angry that one of my many "gaffes" weren't quoted Paparazzi style here, or should I be relieved? ;)

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I'm so totally on the fence about this issue.

Should I be angry that one of my many "gaffes" weren't quoted Paparazzi style here, or should I be relieved? ;)

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I'd say relieved because it means you can just run around causing mayhem in the background and no one looks twice at you.

God speed soldier.

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EDITED TO ADD: Wow.... that is a really boring video. Read about it 7 years ago and never saw it until now.

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You have to get all the in-jokes to really appreciate it. The boring battle strategy and random nonsensical statistics they come up with in the beginning is ridiculously counterproductive and directly sets up the bloody mess that ensues.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow interesting. And I STILL hate the mandated insurance! Nothing has changed!

How do you find these gems? I want to go hunting too!

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Originally posted by PIZMOBEACH

RL - I think some of it is there's a huge, collective breath holding going on right now until the new guy can sign some sh*t and start turning some wheels. We're on the verge of major changes and a lot of people hate change:

1. Especially if they didn't vote for it.
2. Some don't like it even if they voted for it.
3. Here's the crazy one... even if it's for the better.

It's like we're all on a roller coaster... clink clink clink... climbing that giant hill... clink clink clink.... here comes the top Jan 20th... hold on!!!!

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Originally posted by RIVERLOVE:
A lot of truth there friend. For me and my ilk, Jan. 20th represents a nightmarish scenario I could never have even imagined....
Obama
Biden
Pelosi
Reid
Clinton
Clintonistas

With Bush leaving the country in such a huge mess, it's even worse for us because we can't say a word, at least for several months.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

River, love, think of it this way. It's one giant holiday, when conservatives, now completely out of power, will get blamed for nothing.
And, here, as an added bonus, with the list of pure talent you just rattled off, the new administration will f^&k everything up beyond your wildest dreams.
By, the time they're through with the United States of America, assuming there is a United States of America, the words liberal and democrat won't be worried about being tied to socialist and communist and other sinking ship ideolies, they will be worried about being tied to liberal and democrat.

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Originally posted by Riverlove:
Sorry, but I cannot get on that bandwagon. I am NOT going to cheer if the Democrats screw things up worse. I have always put country first, then Party second. If America is going to spiral downwards it will affect me and everyone else regardless of political views. We need strong leadership now to get America back in the blue. Obama may be the right man at this time, I hope. I already know that Pelosi & Reid are 2 useless political hacks with dangerous thoughts and power. I think Obama is too smart to allow them to shove far-left demented ideology down his throat. He wants two terms, he'll be a pragmatist at least until the second term. Meanwhile, rejoicing in Democrats' failures will not bring me any happiness, and I will not engage in that finger-pointing, gotcha-mentality that has been the trademark of Democrat whiners for a long time.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I thought it was hi-larious myself.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aCRrAR5He4xY&a
mp;refer=home

Normally I be a little irate at someone disrespecting our commander in chief, but after all that has passed, I do believe the Iraqis have the right - and shoes, pies, rotten fruit, those are not the instruments of an assassin, but a people we've badly mistreated showing thier ire at the guy they think most responsible for the disaster their country has recently become.

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About damn time they learned that, you ask me, now maybe they could get around to applying that concept HERE, for once.

Anyhow, I might not think all that much of the Shrub, but he does have a decent sense of humor and takes the hits quite well, at least publicly.
(Bet the dude who threw em doesn't live out the month though.)

-Frem

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
From http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=29997

I will be posting direct quotes from old treads here. I'm playing with color and format so there will likely be several edits before this post is really legible. I will add tidbits from other threads in later posts.

My goal is to assign certain font colors to certain posters. ie:

Rappy is BCE954, otherwise known as slime green.
signym gets 43C6DB, torquoise.
antimason is 728C00, green snake
jongsie is 728C00, venom green

Friday, August 10, 2007 4:44 PM
Originally posted by AURaptor:
We already had one 9/11, and look where we are. I'd think the Left wing would be cheering for the terrorist next time.


Saturday, August 11, 2007 8:51 AM
Originally posted by antimason:
    Originally posted by SignyM:
    Jongsstraw - This is a joke, right? Do you REALLY believe this? Are you
   so warped by your fear of terrorism that you think a significant
    percentage of the American population is helping the Jihadists?

in the town i live, one of the few talk radio stations we have broadcasts Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity on a daily basis. from my experience this IS what they believe.. the irony being that they seem to hate "liberal" Americans as much as their alleged "liberals" hate America. if Americans need to be murdered to be taught a lesson, then its for the greater good i guess.. thats the penalty for disagreement.


Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:53 AM
Originally posted by AURaptor:
    Originally posted by SignyM:
    Wow. Just when I thought I was beginning to understand Rap, the fella
    reminds me he's in a parallel universe.

I just think that next time, those on the Left will be cheering WHILE the attacks are going on, instead of waiting a while before telling us how they really think.
Please, tell me where I'm wrong.



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YOUR president is claiming Executive privilege on everything Auraptor. YOUR party is happy to remain blissfully ignorant of information. YOUR party doesn't want to govern, apparently, it wants to be taken care of by a daddy government. YOU want to abdicate responsibility over OUR democracy. We cannot check our politicians if we have no facts. We can't do our jobs as citizens. Apparently you are fine with that. Why do you hate our freedoms?

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...Actually, kinda yeah. I get that you're terrified about the prospect of alimony and child support, but as you've always said, you have yourself and you don't need any woman.

As such, how exactly are any of them ever going to get those hooks in you you're so worried about?

I mean I'm terrified of intimacy myself, and I don't need anyone but me.

But I don't hate people because I'm scared of intimacy. Intimacy isn't a thing that's going to happen so it's not like it's something someone has ever DONE to me.

And the one time you told us about a relationship you had, it ended badly for the girl, not you.

And then, on the flip side, you resent any woman who would not be dependent upon you, even though you would hate that, because you think that defying the traditional gender roles will destroy society.

It's like a giant psychological catch 22 you've caught yourself in. You've crippled yourself with your fear and mistrust and hate.

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http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/television/woodward_knocks_clint
on_sos_Choice_101501.asp Barry is putting together a group of back stabing, power hungery, Clinton retreads. Since Barry has no friends in Chicago he can bring to Washington, (his Chicago friends are nutz & terrorists) he has to pick from the pool of Washington insiders, fowl tempered, power hugery rodents who WILL let Barry down. AND THEN I WILL LAUGH AT YOUR PAIN, AND DRINK YOUR TEARS!!

I'm going to microwave a bagel and have sex with it - Peter Griffin

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Wow. Whozit: not even trying to hide the fact that his top priority is not for America to succeed, but for Democrats to fail. Way to love your country man!

So here's my challenge to the Whozit and AUraptor types: if in a few years America is chugging along decently, recovering from this horror that Bush put us through, with a steady economy, civil rights restored, the constitution once again honored, our youth not dying for oil company profits, etc, are you going to man up and admit that the BS you're going on about right now is completely and absolutely wrong?

And yes, if Barack turns this country into a white-man-hating burka-wearing socialist whatever-it-is-you-fear, I'll certainly admit I'm wrong. And I'll fight to get him out of office.

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If Barry does a great job, then all my bitching will fall on deaf ears. Rite now Barry is getting a free pass, the comics wo'nt touch him, some are afraid, some support him. The press are his lap dogs, Sarah Palin got the vetting he should have gotten, a ZOGBY poll proved most Obama voters knew more about Palin then they did Barry. Your IQ is way higher than mine and you can spell better, but common sence tells me when Barry falls, he'll fall hard. His whores in the press can only do so much for him when his training wheels come off.

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Frem - didn't you just get down on throwing shoes at the prez just recently?

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More interesting is the old "More Lies and Alibis" thread.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=29612

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Thanks for posting that - I got the second one. That's a song that never gets played here. I can't imagine why not.

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Seriously, based on everything you have said, this is what makes the least amount of sense, and we've read all your drunk posts and all the overshares and all the random tangents.

And yet I also get the distinct impression you know it doesn't make sense.

You know what is the term for an irrational fear that doesn't necessarily have any basis or formative experience? A phobia.

I'd actually be curious to know who sat you down and told you all this as a kid. I'm guessing it was your dad.

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Thanks for posting that - I got the second one. That's a song that never gets played here. I can't imagine why not.

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Its hardly buried (as a song, at least). Hyundai's US ad campaign for the for 2012-13 was centered around it.




"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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What were we talking about again?

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The attack on the 1st Amendment with the reviving of the (un)Fairness Doctrine, or the attack on the 2nd Amendment, on our right to bear arms ?

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Gone down, some 19 % ( 9625.28 - 7552.29 )

HOPE for the future, the economy does NOT have.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
When that thread was posted, I was new and felt so awkward and concerned for everyone.

Now with a lot of distance, that thread is actually pretty funny, in a kind of cringe-worthy way.

Also: wow. Lots of people gone.

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