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Yea ok, first of all you were late to this dance professor so you actually were arguing points I had long been arguing, and not just in this thread.

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When you suggest I am turning every thread into a personal fight so that my roll becomes the focus, all I can say is really? I mean really?

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Lastly I did not claim to know how Signym was reasonable in years past. What I said is you must have been bamboozled, you claimed Sig was reasonable in the recent past. I suggested no one changes that much that fast.

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You need to stop thinking the world of your deductive skills.

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At least until you display some. I followed your link awhile ago to a thread you started and noticed a very interesting post. It is starting to look like this guy nailed you to a tea.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MAL4, you used to be a reasonable person. And yanno what? I'm still the anti-corporate, anti-tyranny person I used to be. But I did ONE THING to piss you off, and you still haven't figured it out.

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As for "all of your info", well, you haven't brought it here. No links, no evidence, no nothing. All I'm looking for is something verifiable. There's no sin in that.

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Sorry hon, but the person who's in the wrong here isn't me.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, the USA intelligence agencies do a major walk-back from the assertions they were making, oh just a few short hours ago, when they had proof... PROOF, I TELL YOU! VIDEOS! ... All over the media!..... that Russia gave missiles to the separatists

US: No direct link to Russia found in MH17 attack
http://nypost.com/2014/07/22/us-no-evidence-of-direct-link-to-russia-i
n-mh17-attack/

U.S.: No evidence of Russian government in plane downing
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/us-evidence-direct-russian-link-pl
ane/


US: No link to Russian gov't in plane downing
http://news.msn.com/world/us-no-link-to-russian-govt-in-plane-downing

Awww, hell, this deserves a thread of its own.
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Sorry hon, but the person who's in the wrong here isn't me.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've asked for links several times over, because it's not up to me to find links to support YOUR statements, is it?

You finally brought them to the table. It sure took a long time, but that's all I was asking for. So- finally. something for me to review.

Thanks.

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Can't do your own homework? Just sit around moaning about how you base all your ideas on *evidence*, yet you make no effort to find it? Try and keep up kiddo. I won't do this for you all the time.

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Can't do your own homework? Just sit around moaning about how you base all your ideas on *evidence*, yet you make no effort to find it? Try and keep up kiddo. I won't do this for you all the time.

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You mean MAL4 that you're complaining about HAVING TO SUPPORT YOUR OWN STATEMENTS? How is that that YOUR statements become MY homework?

WTF???

SHEESH!!! Try to keep up, indeed!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MAL4, is your PM working? If I PM you with something that may clear up your suspicions, is that OK? Because there is a very simple explanation for what you think you see, and it isn't what you think.

AFA what you think of as my "changed personality", I did ONE THING different, and I did it on purpose and with forethought. I take full credit or blame for whatever changes you think you see. It's not a sock puppet thing.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've asked for links several times over, because it's not up to me to find links to support YOUR statements, is it?
You finally brought them to the table. It sure took a long time, but that's all I was asking for. So- finally. something for me to review.
Thanks.

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Originally posted by THGRRI
Here it is, you asking for the other side of the story because you only researched one side, yours. How could you possible know what the truth is without having researched what both sides are saying?

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Also, for sig's further enlightenment:

http://news.sky.com/story/1306134/rebels-mh17-site-sabotage-plan-inter
cepted

Rebels planned to sabotage the investigation into Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 by scattering parts of other planes at the crash site, according to Sky sources.

UK intelligence officials intercepted communications between pro-Russian separatists, seemingly discussing deliberate attempts to tamper with the scene of the disaster.

Evidence indicates rebels talked about removing victims' remains from the fields of Grabovo, where the plane was shot down.

Sky sources in Whitehall added that the rebels also considered sending the black boxes to Moscow.

Sky's Defence Correspondent Alistair Bunkall said the sources claimed the separatists wanted to confuse the situation further for investigators.



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So sig, is that what you changed? You now refuse to contribute any information, but only demand it of others? If so, not very chivalrous of you to play such games.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, if you had read my first post asking for the information that MAL4 said was "all over" the news, you would have heard the the backstory: I overheard about it at work, I was away from a PC for some time (in a meeting), by the time I GOT to the internet a few hours later, the info that was "all over" the news was already gone. I checked a day or two later in BBC, Reuters, and a couple other major sites, scanned the headlines, scanned the subheadlines, and didn't find anything anywhere. I DID look for it, in places where I would expect to find it, and I didn't.

So, I should start googling MAL4's posts for her?

Really?

And MAL4, you should have remembered that yourself. But like a lot of things you say, you're kinda biased, so I'm not surprised.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
http://nsnbc.me/2014/07/21/ukrainian-su-25-jet-near-malaisian-flight-m
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I have had one suggest I should have shown more respect and gotten to know the lay of the land before I ventured so deep into voicing my opinion.

We have known's and we have unknowns. You know nothing about me or how long I have monitored the site before joining, or anything else about me. You don't know it but you are the one running blind here.

As for Sig. I'll stick with my impressions and forgo yours thanks. Mine have worked well for me so far. Now I would prefer to end the hostilities here. The balls in your court.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, if you had read my first post asking for the information that MAL4 said was "all over" the news, you would have heard the the backstory: I overheard about it at work, I was away from a PC for some time (in a meeting), by the time I GOT to the internet a few hours later, the info that was "all over" the news was already gone.

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I checked a day or two later in BBC, Reuters, and a couple other major sites, scanned the headlines, scanned the subheadlines, and didn't find anything anywhere. I DID look for it, in places where I would expect to find it, and I didn't.

So, I should start googling MAL4's posts for her?

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I have had one suggest I should have shown more respect and gotten to know the lay of the land before I ventured so deep into voicing my opinion.

We have known's and we have unknowns. You know nothing about me or how long I have monitored the site before joining, or anything else about me. You don't know it but you are the one running blind here.

As for Sig. I'll stick with my impressions and forgo yours thanks. Mine have worked well for me so far. Now I would prefer to end the hostilities here. The balls in your court.

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that suggestion was mine. It's not a hard rule, just a physicist's logic of how action a leads to reaction a and action b leads to result b. joining a new community you have options: 1. act like a dick. Result: be judged to be a dick. You can figure out the other options, right?

So now you say you have this monumental deep knowledge of RWED (or the other way you spell it because you are an ignorant noob) and yet you tell no one of your experience and wisdom and play to be a stupid noob. (You played it well. ) You expect that big fucking game to be acceptable because... ?

Dude, if you ever wonder why no one here likes you, even those like me who take your side on some issues, you need not look far for an explanation. You, by your own admission quoted above, joined this site under false pretenses.

You never once said - hey poster X, you don't know me but I've followed you for the past Y months/years... (how long did you lurk THG, or are you really just a sock?) you didn't do that THG. You were not forthright.

You, sir, are a liar.

Hence all the hate pointed at you. You really did earn it. Enjoy.

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....MAL4PREZ
that suggestion was mine. It's not a hard rule, just a physicist's logic of how action a leads to reaction a and action b leads to result b. joining a new community you have options: 1. act like a dick. Result: be judged to be a dick. You can figure out the other options, right?
So now you say you have this monumental deep knowledge of RWED (or the other way you spell it because you are an ignorant noob) and yet you tell no one of your experience and wisdom and play to be a stupid noob. (You played it well. ) You expect that big fucking game to be acceptable because... ?
Dude, if you ever wonder why no one here likes you, even those like me who take your side on some issues, you need not look far for an explanation. You, by your own admission quoted above, joined this site under false pretenses.
You never once said - hey poster X, you don't know me but I've followed you for the past Y months/years... (how long did you lurk THG, or are you really just a sock?) you didn't do that THG. You were not forthright.
You, sir, are a liar.
Hence all the hate pointed at you. You really did earn it. Enjoy.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mal4? It works for you too. And I have to say, Signy has been FAR better about linking her information than you.

"I have not had a chance to research both sides of this matter. I respect the views of those of you who have weighed in, but at this point I cannot agree or disagree. I need a chance to look into this on my own because I am a grown woman capable of searching the news on my own. Which I will do, rather than kvetching at you guys until you do it for my grumpy self-centered old ass."

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Mal4? It works for you too. And I have to say, Signy has been FAR better about linking her information than you.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've read several versions of the story. Other people said he was misquoted. HE said he was misquoted. He says a unit had BUKs, then (in your version, p3) he says he doesn't know for sure. It's a case of he said - he said. This is really just more blah blah blah - and very confused blah blah.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I've read several versions of the story. Other people said he was misquoted. HE said he was misquoted. He says a unit had BUKs, then (in your version, p3) he says he doesn't know for sure. It's a case of he said - he said. This is really just more blah blah blah - and very confused blah blah.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What brain?

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You stepped into that one!

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….MAL4PREZ
THG - you are such a tangled mess I don't even know how to deal with you. Get your story straight. You've been here a month and a half, but you know all the posters because you've been around a lot longer. Right? That's what you said. So what were you? Lurking? Had a different account? Come clean man.

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……MAL4PREZ
As for who gave you advice, it prob came from several posters. I know I wrote such a post to you, clearly mine wasn't the one you read. No matter - it's still good advice.

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….MAL4PREZ
"Again I can do nothing but point and laugh. I have not argued with "Miker" before tonight. On purpose. To flush you out".

Miker back at you.

“Yeah, you have to show all how you are so brilliant and can stalk your victim coming in for the kill with your super wit to expose our psychosis. After the setup of pretending to offer some new truth, you character assonate the one you have picked for that particular performance”.

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….Miker quoting you…
"Sig undergoes an extreme change in personality after I poke her/it about her years-old symbiosis with Rap".

You to Sig in this thread.
Wow. You've really undergone a personality shift since THGRRL showed up. Anyone else noticed that?

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….Miker speaking to you.
I see with you, it is self-praise your into. I love reading how you have my personality figured out. How you are so hip to me. So, you’re the group’s psychoanalyst.

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….MAL4PREZ

Yet again I will point out the irony that sig decides to take anti-liberal side of things at the same time that a belligerent liberal shows up with pre- existing knowledge of all our ways, and sig and the new guy proceed to dance the way sig and rap used to. And rap fades away. And sig becomes very rap like in her bias and attitude. I see her doing nothing to seek the truth in this thread, just a successful attempt to start and continue multiple fights.

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....MAL4PREZ
THGRRI has been arguing the same ideas as me on this thread, but the way he tumbles is just like you and rap. Dickish, name-calling, taking every thread into a personal fight so that his roll with you becomes the focus.

Sig, you are rappy in my mind. I don't care if it's a sock situation, have no interest in making that call. You are just as unreasonable and dickish and superior and inflexible as he is. And so I have no interest in engaging with you anymore, except to occasionally mock you for how wonked you are.

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THG - you are such a tangled mess I don't even know how to deal with you. Get your story straight. You've been here a month and a half, but you know all the posters because you've been around a lot longer. Right? That's what you said. So what were you? Lurking? Had a different account? Come clean man.

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What I said was “we have known's and we have unknowns. You know nothing about me or how long I have monitored the site before joining, or anything else about me”. In my other post I answered with,” I just visited this and other sites as a guest and even spoke on chat occasionally.

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Also you are indicating guests to this site are little more than spies. It that a fair interpretation of what you are inferring? It is the complaint you submit about me.

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You admit to giving me advice when I joined. I don’t recall that but let’s say you did. In your case I see it is to establish your hierarchy here? I can sense in you a need to do that. Here is a quote from you pointed out by Miker at the other side of your signature link.

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It’s you who claim to have everyone figured out. I have a feeling it is all old news too our fellow posters, but I don’t mind reminding them. Oh yeah, talk about all over the place, these next quotes come from the same post by you.

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Gee wiz, such contradiction in the same post. How would you diagnose this one doc?

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
1.move or wait furtively: to move about furtively, or wait in a concealed position or a shadowy corner, especially with the intention of doing something wrong

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As for Miker, he nailed you good. I just followed his lead and in what you posted in just a few of the posts in this thread showed him to be correct.

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I am a nice guy.

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You are entitled to type any word you wish but not to change it's meaning,

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What a rant, none of which makes any sense. Get a grip on yourself. Finesse means what the dictionary says it means

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….MAL4PREZ
How old are you lil green one? I'm no spring chicken, but still I'm aware of the ever changing times, something that obviously escapes you.

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MAL4PREZ
But I'm also aware of my limitations as one of the older generation and I adjust my approach accordingly.

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You? Not so much. At all. The noob THG that you are clings desperately to Oxfords' dictionary for square, classic definitions, just as he clings to every little non-supported belief that must not ever change even though times are changing fast...

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….MAL4PREZ
Or not? Don't let me tell your full narrative for you, grasshopper. If you have anything real and honest to say about your goals and methods in life, share it now. Set me straight about me. Or have you not the courage to be honest?

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….MAL4PREZ
FYI: If I sense that you are being honest, nothing you say will draw criticism. If you continue to manipulate, then it's fair game and I will not hesitate to be brutally crystal clear with my thoughts.

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….MAL4PREZ
Other posters have not enjoyed this process, certainly they have not seen it so clearly stated.

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….Miker
“Offering some new insight into the discussion is not what you are about. I see with you, it is self-praise your into. Trying to be everyone's champion is. Coming to the rescue is. Nope, not impressed at all”.

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You go and make a declaration and sit back and demand that people prove you wrong.

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You do no figuring out on your own, no proving of anything on your own, but still are incredibly superior and judgmental, especially if anyone DARES to do what you do - voicing an opinion without publishing a fully annotated supporting thesis. It's a fucking chat site sig!

Is it not anyone's *job* to prove you wrong. Yet in thread after thread you create that exact situation. And you know what, you're almost always a dick about it. Yes, I am being a dick back at this point, because you have been so thoroughly annoying I have no reason to try for a convivial relationship with you.

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Here it is in a nutshell… SIGNYM… You just admitted to all you only look for ways to disprove what others are saying because you have an agenda and do not care about the truth.

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THUGR, if you had read my first post asking for the information that MAL4 said was "all over" the news, you would have heard the the backstory: I overheard about it at work, I was away from a PC for some time (in a meeting), by the time I GOT to the internet a few hours later, the info that was "all over" the news was already gone. I checked a day or two later in BBC, Reuters, and a couple other major sites, scanned the headlines, scanned the subheadlines, and didn't find anything anywhere. I DID look for it, in places where I would expect to find it, and I didn't.
So, I should start googling MAL4's posts for her?
Really?
And MAL4, you should have remembered that yourself. But like a lot of things you say, you're kinda biased, so I'm not surprised.

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Just use FACTS. Still, though I've asked several times you have not provided any thing but your gut feelings. I think back on page one you quoted an article, since then it's been nothing but you on your high horse, demanding that everyone prove you wrong - your words.

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Senior U.S. intelligence officials cited sensors that traced the path of the missile

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shrapnel markings on the downed aircraft

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voiceprint analysis of separatists claiming credit for the strike

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and a flood of photos and other data from social-media sites.

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The officials also for the first time identified a sprawling Russian military installation near the city of Rostov as the main conduit of Russian support to separatists in Ukraine, describing it as a hub of training and weapons that has expanded dramatically over the past month. The officials said that tanks, rocket launchers and other arms have continued to flow into Ukraine even after the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which killed 298 civilians.

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Analysts at the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies are continuing to examine information about the crash, but the officials said the intelligence assembled in the five days since the attack points overwhelmingly to Russian-backed separatists in territory they control in eastern Ukraine.

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The senior intelligence officials said they have ruled out the possibility that Ukrainian forces were responsible for the attack.“That is not a plausible scenario,” said one senior U.S. official, who noted that American intelligence agencies have confirmed that Ukraine had no antiaircraft missile system within range of the Malaysian flight at the time it was struck.

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It includes pictures of three sightings of the missile show it's direction of movement on July 17.

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The U.S. says it has satellite data showing a missile was fired at the plane later on Thursday from a field outside Snizhne.

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BuzzFeed also visited the location where this photo, uploaded to Twitter on Thursday, was taken, apparently capturing the trail of smoke from the rocket in a field south of Snizhne.

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The photo was presumably taken from a church or nearby bus stop on a hill overlooking the field in the suburb of Pervomaiske. The area where the smoke is coming from has been the center of heavy fighting in recent days. Constant shelling could be heard in the distance on Tuesday afternoon, and a dark plume of smoke wafted over the horizon. Rebels manning checkpoints on the outskirts of Snizhne said they had orders not to let any journalists into the town.

The vantage point of the photo also corresponds with recordings Ukraine posted a day after the attack of what it said were rebels discussing moving the rocket. “You get there and Pervomaiske’s round there, look on the map,” says a man on the recording identified as Sergei Petrovsky, a rebel intelligence officer nicknamed “Gloomy.”

“Get set up in that area somewhere, get the men you have left over there,” continues the man identified as Petrovsky. “Your job is backup, plus guarding the thing you’re going to take over there.”

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12. A few hours after the crash, Kiev authorities presented a video in which the opposition admitted shooting down the plane. Experts who studied the video concluded that it was a fabrication:

“The tape’s second fragment consists of three pieces but was presented as a single audio recording. However, a spectral and time analysis has showed that the dialog was cut into pieces and then assembled. Short pauses in the tape are very indicative: the audio file has preserved time marks which show that the dialog was assembled from various episodes.” (Ibid.)

The encoding of the video file shows it was created on July 16, the day before the plane was shot down. This information remains to be confirmed, but if it is accurate, it would mean that the Ukrainian authorities shot the plane down and fabricated evidence to frame the opposition (Did Ukraine Fabricate Evidence to Frame Russia for MH17 Shoot Down?, How American Propaganda Works: “Guilt By Insinuation”)

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