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Romanticization of the Civil War
Thursday, April 8, 2010 11:22 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The Antebellum Period can be looked back on with sentimental nostalgia in the US South, as an idealized agrarian and chivalric society, with the moral issues of slavery generally being glossed over. This is due in part to widespread destruction caused during the war by both armies and a lingering resentment of the occupation of the region by Union forces after the Confederacy was defeated. As a result the architecture and fashion of the period were better documented in this region of the United States than in other parts of the country and can be heavily romanticized.Quote:There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind... From the opening of the film Gone With the Wind “Old South” is a way of describing the former lifestyle in the Southern United States. The term originally came into use after the American Civil War to describe the antebellum period. Many southern whites used it with nostalgia to represent the memories ofa time of prosperity, social order, and "gracious living". Most blacks saw it as being a reference to the past times of slavery and the plantation economy in which they were chattel property. A desire to return to the order of the "Old South" was a justification for ongoing racial segregation and the continuance of the Jim Crow system. In this romanticized view, the process of the Industrial Revolution is mythically substituted for by the widespread destruction of Sherman's March to the Sea and by the military occupation of the defeated Confederacy by Union forces during the period termed Reconstruction ( 1865 - 1877). While the South was largely ruined after the Civil War, this had as much or more to do with the failed domestic polices of the Confederacy, notably its impressment of food supplies, and thousands of uprooted civilians, than it did with the scorched earth policy of Sherman. Sherman's March was exclusively limited to Georgia and South Carolina and scorched earth policies were not implemented in Florida, Tennessee, or the Trans-Mississippi states. More than any other single American artifact, the novel and movie Gone With the Wind have permanently fixed a slanted popularized image of pre-Civil War American history and are good examples of the romanticized view. In the romanticized view, the Antebellum Period is often looked back on with sentimental nostalgia by some whites in the U.S. South, as an idealized pre-industrial highly-structured genteel and stable agrarian society, in contrast to the anxiety and struggle of modern life. The issue of slavery is largely ignored. For example, a romanticized view of the Antebellum South would claim that the Civil War was fought over states' rights rather than slavery, when in actuality the war was fought predominantly over a state's right to allow slavery. Because of slavery and many other human rights abuses, most African Americans find the romanticization of this era to be offensive, and often see a coded approving reference to the racism of the period in the term "Old South". Once those with personal memories of the antebellum South were largely deceased, the term continued to be used. It was used even as a marketing term, where products were advertised as having "genuine Old South goodness" and the like. However, fraternal and political organizations often used the term to show that they were supporters of white supremacy and segregation, but in a less blantant way. Certain groups now wish to rescue the term from racist connotations by stating that they desire only to celebrate only the things about the Old South which were good, such as its chivary, and not every aspect of Southern culture, particularly not the racist aspects. An important and sizeable group of this sort is the Sons of Confederate Veterans, who insist that their group is about "Heritage Not Hate" and make a point of honoring the memories of those blacks who served with the Confederate armed forces and their descendants.
Quote:There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind... From the opening of the film Gone With the Wind
Thursday, April 8, 2010 11:32 AM
MINCINGBEAST
Thursday, April 8, 2010 11:40 AM
CHRISISALL
Thursday, April 8, 2010 12:10 PM
PIRATENEWS
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Thursday, April 8, 2010 12:12 PM
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Thursday, April 8, 2010 12:57 PM
Thursday, April 8, 2010 2:10 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Friday, April 9, 2010 4:16 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Friday, April 9, 2010 9:08 AM
Friday, April 9, 2010 9:35 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, April 9, 2010 4:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: ... but I abhor all it stand for and the mentality that accompanies it. And I don't think romanticizing it comes out of being asked to "apologize" for slavery. I don't think a lot of people in the South feel the slightest bit of remorse over losing slavery, and I think racism is still very alive and well there. JMHO
Friday, April 9, 2010 5:15 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:At the end of the Mexican War, many new lands west of Texas were yielded to the United States, and the debate over the westward expansion of slavery was rekindled. Southern politicians and slave owners demanded that slavery be allowed in the West because they feared that a closed door would spell doom for their economy and way of life. Whig Northerners, however, believed that slavery should be banned from the new territories. Pennsylvanian congressman David Wilmot proposed such a ban in 1846, even before the conclusion of the war. Southerners were outraged over this Wilmot Proviso and blocked it before it could reach the Senate.
Friday, April 9, 2010 5:32 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: I can also tell you that a lot of folks with deep Southern heritage dislike the racists and neo-nazis who have co-opted the Confederate battle flag as their symbol. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Friday, April 9, 2010 5:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: But Geezer, help me out here.. What WAS the Confederate cause? State's rights? Rights to... what?
Friday, April 9, 2010 5:58 PM
Quote:States Rights to determine their own policy, probably.
Quote:Its end was less than 80 years ago. Folk who were alive then were still alive.
Quote: The folk in the Confederate states figured that it was their right to secede from the Union if they wanted to, based on the rules the Founding Fathers laid down.
Quote: When they did, they considered that they were invaded. Many of the major cities in the South were destroyed and an army of occupation was imposed on them. Think of how you suppose Iraq feels.
Friday, April 9, 2010 5:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Here's the thing: If any of you don't have a problem with someone flying the flag of the confederacy, a bunch of traitorous, anti-American rebel scum who attacked the U.S. and waged war on American soil and sought to violently overthrow the legitimate government,
Friday, April 9, 2010 6:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: [B}'States Rights to determine their own policy, probably.' Yes, a policy of slavery. Your thinking goes only so far and no further. That explains a lot.
Quote:Yeah, if you were a baby then you'd be an old fart by 1860.
Quote:Actually, no. The Constitution doesn't provide for secession, it never did. They were referring to the Declaration of Independence. But as historians have often noted, once the FF had a nation to create, their rhetoric toned down considerably.
Quote:Or Germany, or Japan, which have shouldered their responsibility and guilt, and moved on. A lot quicker than southerners, it seems.
Friday, April 9, 2010 6:24 PM
Friday, April 9, 2010 6:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: In the best of all possible worlds, slavery could have been defeated without war. But the conflict was being propelled forward by westward expansion, and required urgent resolution. So you reach a conundrum- Which set of rights takes precedence: The right of all men to be free, or States' rights? Assuming that you HAVE to choose, which would you pick?
Friday, April 9, 2010 6:40 PM
Quote:Yeah, if you were a baby then you'd be an old fart by 1860.-Signy Oh, come on. In 1860 the Revolutionary War was the biggest thing that had ever happened in the United States. Folk still believed the Declaration of Independence applied.- Geezer
Quote:Actually, no. The Constitution doesn't provide for secession, it never did. They were referring to the Declaration of Independence. But as historians have often noted, once the FF had a nation to create, their rhetoric toned down considerably.-Signy Historians pre-1860? Cites?-Geezer
Quote:Or Germany, or Japan, which have shouldered their responsibility and guilt, and moved on. A lot quicker than southerners, it seems.-Signy Were Germany or Japan trying to secede from a government? Seems to me they were invading and conquering other countries. Slightly different. Would you expect the Founding Fathers to apologize for the Revolution?
Friday, April 9, 2010 6:53 PM
Quote:Good question. Is it worth sacrificing 600-700 thousand people to free 4 million? I'd probably choose the one that kills the least; trusting that if given the chance, folk will eventually figure the right thing to do.
Friday, April 9, 2010 8:04 PM
Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Were slaves not "people"?
Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Here's the thing: If any of you don't have a problem with someone flying the flag of the confederacy, a bunch of traitorous, anti-American rebel scum who attacked the U.S. and waged war on American soil and sought to violently overthrow the legitimate government, Didn't do too well in history class, did you? The Confederacy never wanted to overthrow the U.S., just leave it. As of 1860, many states though that it was all right to opt out of the United States if they wanted to, based on what the Founders had proposed 80 years previous. When several states did, the U.S. government responded by reenforcing its military bases in the states which had opted out...for example, Fort Sumter. Aside from that, the first major battle of the Civil War was when Union troops invaded Virginia at Manassas Junction. Aside from Gettysburg and Antietam (attacks by the Confederacy to convince the Union to quit the war and leave them alone) all the major battles of the Civil War were fought on Confederate soil. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Quote: On April 10, 1861, Brig. Gen. Beauregard, in command of the provisional Confederate forces at Charleston, South Carolina, demanded the surrender of the Union garrison of Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor. Garrison commander Anderson refused. On April 12, Confederate batteries opened fire on the fort, which was unable to reply effectively. At 2:30 p.m., April 13, Major Anderson surrendered Fort Sumter, evacuating the garrison on the following day. The bombardment of Fort Sumter was the opening engagement of the American Civil War.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Besides which, the practice was dying out already, all a westward expansion would have done was propped it up a while, industrialisation made the whole concept no longer cost-effective, and the moral implications were indeed a great factor in the rest of the planet abandoning the idea. -F
Quote:What If the Union Had Bought Out the Confederacy Instead of Fighting the Civil War? Brian Gongol Was There a Better Way to End Slavery Than Civil War? Slavery was one of the most vile institutions ever to mar the soul of the American republic. This exercise assumes three things: It was right to end slavery The resources used to fight the Civil War could have been used in other ways It is desirable to use resources as efficiently as possible Evaluating the Costs of the Civil War Total cost (North and South) of the Civil War (in current dollars from the era): $5,200,000,000 Total number of slaves living in the South at the start of the Civil War: 3,500,000 Average cost of war per slave: $5,200,000,000 / 3,500,000 $1,485.71 Average market price per slave in 1860 (current dollars from the era): $1,658.00 Total estimated cost to have bought out all living slaves at market price: $1,658.00 * 3,500,000 $5,803,000,000 Approximate premium cost of buyout in excess of direct costs of war: $603,000,000 Total combatant deaths due to war: 558,052 Value of combatant lives lost if priced at the market value of a slave: 558,052 * $1,658.00 $925,250,000 The Premium Paid for War If slaves were selling for more than $1,600 each, then it would be consistent with the principle that "all men are created equal" to value the life of a free soldier at the same amount. A very conservative estimate of the value of lives lost in combat, then, would be the market value of a slave times the number of soldiers' lives lost, or more than $900,000,000. The difference between the actual cost of the war ($5,200,000,000) and the hypothetical buyout option ($5,803,000,000) would have been only $603,000,000, or three hundred million dollars less than the very conservative estimate of the value of lives lost in combat.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:48 AM
Quote:"Rebellion against a king may be pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death."
Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Besides which, the practice was dying out already, all a westward expansion would have done was propped it up a while, industrialisation made the whole concept no longer cost-effective, and the moral implications were indeed a great factor in the rest of the planet abandoning the idea. -F I was wondering if, given the cost of the Civil War, it wouldn't have been cheaper and cost a lot less lives for the Union to just buy out all the slaves in the Confederacy. While looking for figures on the costs of the war and the cost of slaves, I came across this: Quote:What If the Union Had Bought Out the Confederacy Instead of Fighting the Civil War? Brian Gongol Was There a Better Way to End Slavery Than Civil War? Slavery was one of the most vile institutions ever to mar the soul of the American republic. This exercise assumes three things: It was right to end slavery The resources used to fight the Civil War could have been used in other ways It is desirable to use resources as efficiently as possible Evaluating the Costs of the Civil War Total cost (North and South) of the Civil War (in current dollars from the era): $5,200,000,000 Total number of slaves living in the South at the start of the Civil War: 3,500,000 Average cost of war per slave: $5,200,000,000 / 3,500,000 $1,485.71 Average market price per slave in 1860 (current dollars from the era): $1,658.00 Total estimated cost to have bought out all living slaves at market price: $1,658.00 * 3,500,000 $5,803,000,000 Approximate premium cost of buyout in excess of direct costs of war: $603,000,000 Total combatant deaths due to war: 558,052 Value of combatant lives lost if priced at the market value of a slave: 558,052 * $1,658.00 $925,250,000 The Premium Paid for War If slaves were selling for more than $1,600 each, then it would be consistent with the principle that "all men are created equal" to value the life of a free soldier at the same amount. A very conservative estimate of the value of lives lost in combat, then, would be the market value of a slave times the number of soldiers' lives lost, or more than $900,000,000. The difference between the actual cost of the war ($5,200,000,000) and the hypothetical buyout option ($5,803,000,000) would have been only $603,000,000, or three hundred million dollars less than the very conservative estimate of the value of lives lost in combat. http://www.gongol.com/research/economics/slavebuyout/ I found other sources that put the dollar cost to the Union at over $6 billion, so the buyout might have been even less than the cost of the war. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You can try sophistry and equivocation all you want, but the fact still stands that the Confederacy attacked the Union and kicked off hostilities. And secession is not a patriotic action. Traitorous rebel scum seems an apt descriptor for such people taking such actions.
Quote:The Capture of Fort Ticonderoga occurred on May 10, 1775 when a small force of Green Mountain Boys led by Ethan Allen and Colonel Benedict Arnold overcame a small British garrison at the fort and looted the personal belongings of the garrison. Cannons and other armaments from the fort were transported to Boston and used to fortify Dorchester Heights and break the stalemate at the Siege of Boston. After seizing Ticonderoga, a small detachment captured the nearby Fort Crown Point on May 11. On May 18, Arnold and 50 men boldly raided Fort Saint-Jean on the Richelieu River in southern Quebec, seizing military supplies, cannons, and the largest military vessel on Lake Champlain.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 3:02 AM
Saturday, April 10, 2010 3:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You can try sophistry and equivocation all you want, but the fact still stands that the Confederacy attacked the Union and kicked off hostilities. And secession is not a patriotic action. Traitorous rebel scum seems an apt descriptor for such people taking such actions. Okay. Quote:The Capture of Fort Ticonderoga occurred on May 10, 1775 when a small force of Green Mountain Boys led by Ethan Allen and Colonel Benedict Arnold overcame a small British garrison at the fort and looted the personal belongings of the garrison. Cannons and other armaments from the fort were transported to Boston and used to fortify Dorchester Heights and break the stalemate at the Siege of Boston. After seizing Ticonderoga, a small detachment captured the nearby Fort Crown Point on May 11. On May 18, Arnold and 50 men boldly raided Fort Saint-Jean on the Richelieu River in southern Quebec, seizing military supplies, cannons, and the largest military vessel on Lake Champlain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Fort_Ticonderoga Hmmm. Almost two months prior to the Declaration of Independence, when the Colonies seceded by declaring "...that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved;..." Traitorous rebel scum indeed, King George. "Keep the Shiny side up"
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: While not a historian, would you give any credence to the words of Revolutionary agitator Samuel Adams? Quote: "Rebellion against a king may be pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death." Seems he wasn't keen on domestic insurrection or rebellion, and thought the leaders of Shays' Rebellion should be hanged.
Quote: "Rebellion against a king may be pardoned, or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death."
Quote:“I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people, which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.”
Saturday, April 10, 2010 3:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: One, a fight for freedom. The other, a fight for slavery. Same thing!
Saturday, April 10, 2010 3:09 AM
Quote:Come on, Siggy. In common usage, the word "people" is assumed to apply to both groups in such a sentence. Since you obviously misunderstood my point, no response from me is necessary, I guess.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 3:12 AM
Quote:I don't recall the Revolutionary war freeying the slaves.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 3:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: You counted up the death of free citizens, but the death of slaves due to slavery never even crossed your mind.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 3:20 AM
Quote:Okay. when you start doing your mind-reading act again, it's time to ignore you, since you'll just skip right past whatever I say and fall back on your erroneous preconceptions.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 6:34 AM
Quote:If any of you don't have a problem with someone flying the flag of the confederacy, a bunch of traitorous, anti-American rebel scum who attacked the U.S. and waged war on American soil and sought to violently overthrow the legitimate government
Quote:The second reason behind it was to weaken the south. Thanks to its thriving slave-oriented economy, the south was considerably wealthier than the north at the time. The north wouldn't stand a chance against its richer southern enemy if it didn't. The final reason for Lincoln's action was a strategic maneuver. He knew the south wouldn't comply and therefore he'd have a due cause for war- as well as attracting a greater following in sweeping down on the south.
Quote: In his book The South Under Siege 1830-2000 author Frank Conner noted that Northern manufacturers wanted to overprice their goods “…in the firm knowledge that the competing low-priced British goods--with the tariffs added--would then be more expensive than theirs…Second, the Southerners bought most of the manufactured goods imported from Britain, largely because they sold most of their cotton to Britain; thus--by paying the tariff--the Southerners paid most of the costs of running the US government…and all of the Southern states were paying about 85% of the cost of running the federal government. By increasing the tariff rates, the North could force the South to pay most of the costs of the US government’s industrialization program--a program which would benefit the North tremendously, and the South not at all.” The Northern view of the country, with Unitarian and socialist influence, was that the central government in Washington should be increasingly more powerful while the states should be satisfied to become mere vassals to the collectivist leviathan. This didn’t set well with most Southerners, who held to a strict constructionist view of the Constitution--meaning that the Federal government should deal only with those areas delegated (not surrendered) to it and should stay out of everything else. Such an anachronistic position simply had to be dealt with because the South was holding up the “progress” (which they had paid for) of the rest of the country. Pastor Wilkins has also noted that: “The more radical element (in the North) were desirous of removing the one barrier to the progressive consolidation of power with the central State authority. The destruction of the South would give them the liberty they needed to establish this change in the structure and philosophy of the national government The Northern view of the country, with Unitarian and socialist influence, was that the central government in Washington should be increasingly more powerful while the states should be satisfied to become mere vassals to the collectivist leviathan. This didn’t set well with most Southerners, who held to a strict constructionist view of the Constitution--meaning that the Federal government should deal only with those areas delegated (not surrendered) to it and should stay out of everything else. Such an anachronistic position simply had to be dealt with because the South was holding up the “progress” (which they had paid for) of the rest of the country. Pastor Wilkins has also noted that: “The more radical element (in the North) were desirous of removing the one barrier to the progressive consolidation of power with the central State authority. The destruction of the South would give them the liberty they needed to establish this change in the structure and philosophy of the national government.”
Quote: It depends on which perspective you examine. While slavery is the most obvious issue, it is more of a fundamental difference that developed between North and South. More than just different views of slavery, the two regions were economically different and politically different. Even population density was different. If you're Lincoln the reason for the Civil war is to keep the Union together. If you're a Southern Democrat, the reason for the war is because you think you have lost your political power since Lincoln is elected without any Southern support (not even being on the ballot in 10 states). If you're an abolitionist, the war is a means to eliminate slavery. If you're a Copperhead/Butternut/Peace Democrat, the war is simply a political maneuver by Lincoln to grab up as much power as possible. While there are a number of different perspectives, historians agree overall that the leading cause was the sectional tension between North/West and South as they developed independently from each other.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 6:36 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: I don't recall the Revolutionary war freeing the slaves.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 6:55 AM
Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:01 AM
Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:14 AM
Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:25 AM
Quote:Posted by Niki: Geezer IS right in that the South didn’t “invade” the North, nor did they want to overthrow the government.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:30 AM
Quote:The Constitution could be interpreted in opposite ways. In its clause giving Congress all powers "necessary and proper" for carrying the specified powers into effect, Alexander Hamilton as secretary of the treasury found ample authorization for his financial program, including a national bank. In the Tenth Amendment, however, Thomas Jefferson as secretary of state discovered a bar to congressional legislation of that kind: no power to establish a bank having been delegated to Congress, that power must have been reserved to the states. As president, George Washington sided with Hamilton and signed the bills that Congress passed to enact Hamilton's plan. Eventually Jefferson withdrew from the Washington administration and, with Madison, organized an opposition to it. Thus, in the 1790s, originated the two parties, Federalist and Republican, the one willing to exploit the "implied powers" of the Constitution, the other demanding a "strict construction" of the document. The Republicans, already convinced that much of the Federalist legislation was unconstitutional, were further outraged when, in 1798, Congress passed the Alien and Sedition Acts. The Sedition Act--providing for the fining and imprisoning of those who uttered anything "false, scandalous, and malicious" against the government, the Congress, or the president--seemed flagrantly to violate the First Amendment, which stated that Congress should pass no law abridging freedom of speech or of the press.
Quote: Politically, Henry Clay was a Jeffersonian Democrat. An advocate of a protective tariff to aid the nation's young industries, he also supported making internal improvements at national expense and establishing a national bank. He was a border-state politician who owned slaves but favored gradual emancipation and stipulated in his will that his slaves be freed. The sectionalism that divided the United States before the Civil War concerned more than just slavery, states' rights, and protective tariffs. Opinions differed on either side of the geographical split between the North and the South over the disposition of land owned by the federal government. In the decade before the war, three land-grant measures that had strong Northern support were defeated by Southern politicians. A homestead act would have made free western land available to unemployed working men and given them a chance to be independent landowners and farmers. Laborers who did not move west to take advantage of the free land would also benefit because with less competition for jobs, they could demand higher wages. Southern politicians, fearing the West would be filled with non-slaveholders from the more populous North, voted against the measure. The transcontinental railroad act was another land-grant measure that was repeatedly defeated by Southern politicians. The project would have enabled the country to tap the vast wealth of the West. Southerners also blocked a land-grant college act, which would have provided government-owned land to states for the establishment of agricultural and mechanical schools. Again Southern politicians believed Northerners would derive more benefit from the schools than would Southerners. The first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution, known collectively as the Bill of Rights, were adopted as a single unit two years after ratification of the Constitution. Dissatisfaction with guarantees of freedom listed in the Constitution led the founding fathers to enumerate personal rights as well as limitations on the federal government in these first 10 amendments. The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This amendment was the basis of the doctrine of states' rights that became the ante-bellum rallying cry of the Southern states, which sought to restrict the ever-growing powers of the federal government. The principle of states' rights and state sovereignty eventually led the Southern states to secede from the central government that they believed had failed to honor the covenant that had originally bound the states together. The nullification crisis of the 1830s was a dispute over Northern-inspired tariffs that benefited Northern interests and were detrimental to Southern interests. The legal basis for the Southern call for nullification of the tariff laws was firmly rooted in states'-rights principles. Southerners viewed the Constitution as a contractual agreement that was invalidated because its conditions had been breached. The Confederacy that was subsequently formed by the seceded states was patterned on the doctrine of states' rights. That doctrine, ironically, played a large role in the destruction of the country that it had caused to be created. The doctrine of state's rights, the legality of secession, and the institution of black slavery had been issues of debate in the United States for decades before the election of Abraham Lincoln brought on the secession of the Southern states. Time after time the South had forced political compromises by threatening to dissolve the union, but by 1860 many Northern politicians had come to view the threat as a bluff and were sick of compromising when it came to slavery. Southerners were thoroughly indoctrinated in the issues, and their education emphasized the inviolability of the Constitution and honored such state's-rights leaders as Thomas Jefferson and John C. Calhoun. "The tug has to come and better now, than any time hereafter," wrote President-elect Lincoln in response to the movements among Southerners toward making good their threat to remove themselves from the United States if he were elected. On November 10, 1860, four days after the election, the legislature in South Carolina, the undisputed leading agitator for secession, they seceded. Black African slavery had existed in the North American English colonies for 168 years before the U.S. Constitution was drafted in 1787. It had existed all across colonial America, but by 1804 most Northern states, finding that slavery was not profitable for them, had effectively abolished the institution. In the South, however, especially after the 1793 invention of the cotton gin, the institution grew, becoming an inextricable part of the economy and way of life. Whether slavery was to be permitted and continued under the new Constitution was a matter of conflict between the North and South, with several Southern states refusing to join the Union if slavery were disallowed. Thus the continuance of slavery was clearly sanctioned in the U.S. Constitution, although the words slave and slavery are not found anywhere in the document.
Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:54 AM
Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I can’t find any information on racism by state, tho’ I tried every word combination I could come up with...
Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:23 AM
Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: 'Fraid I can't accept that, Geezer.
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