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Friday, October 21, 2011 2:17 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Oh, and rather have people spit on or burn the flag in protest then wrap themselves in it for there own personal agenda. At least the first on is honest.
Saturday, October 22, 2011 5:01 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Of course you would. You honestly hate this country, and I don't.
Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:06 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:24 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:25 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Whatever else it accomplishes, Occupy Wall Street is revealing distortions in our current understanding of the First Amendment. In recent decisions, the Supreme Court has protected Wall Street's constitutional right to pour millions into political campaigns. But as presently construed, the First Amendment isn't an obstacle when it comes to silencing the Occupiers. The demonstrators were almost evicted from Zuccotti Park last Friday; but were saved, paradoxically, by Zuccotti's status as a private enclave reserved for public use by zoning laws. In contrast, New York City imposes a flat ban on sleeping in its public parks. Worse yet, the Supreme Court upheld such a prohibition in 1984, finding that the government's interest in cleaning up the parks trumped protesters' rights to freedom of expression. The case involved an overnight demonstration against the treatment of the homeless population during the winter. It provoked an eloquent dissent by Justice Thurgood Marshall. He emphasized that the protesters' willingness to endure harsh conditions was central to their message, and that it was possible for the city to clean up its park without suppressing their efforts to advance their vision of a more humane America. Marshall was right in 1984. People must be allowed to lay down their bodies, not only their wallets, to advocate deepest beliefs. Perhaps the Court, applying more recent decisions that have protected flag burning as speech, will provide the Occupiers with the First Amendment protections that it lavishes on Wall Street's political interventions. But until that happens, it's up to ordinary Americans to protect the First Amendment, and insist that our politicians pay heed even if the courts do not. For centuries, citizens have marched on our streets and assembled in our parks to speak their minds. As the current demonstrators have established, these face-to-face encounters have a special power to command attention and provoke public debate. By enduring significant sacrifice for their commitments, they call upon the rest of us to reflect more deeply on the future of our country. As Thurgood Marshall saw, it was this spirit of self-sacrifice that made the sit-ins of the civil rights era such significant acts of political expression. It is up to Americans once again to insist that this spirit deserves support, not disparagement.. The increasing number of arrests is especially disturbing. Unless they are strictly limited to clear cases of criminality, they have a chilling effect on citizens who might otherwise join the protest. Instead of hiding behind obsolete court decisions, big city mayors must recognize that they are on the constitutional front-line. Michael Bloomberg is failing this test when he keeps Occupiers out of New York's public parks and tolerates the arrests of dozens of protesters, providing an example for similar actions in Boston, Denver, and San Diego. In contrast, Antonio Villaraigoso is showing that leadership on behalf of the First Amendment is well within the realm of the politically possible. Los Angeles has not only avoided arrests, but seems to be expanding available public space as the protest swells. Similarly, the U.S. Parks police are on the right track in giving the demonstrators a four month extension on Freedom Plaza. Over the next few weeks, Americans will be making their choices. If we begin to witness a groundswell in support of Los Angeles' act of leadership, we will be laying the foundations for a larger reworking of the Constitution that will keep the spirit of democracy alive in America. http://www.law.yale.edu/news/14101.htm to that, too.
Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: This is the thinking that allows people to honor the flag while stepping on the country. I much prefer that people step on the flag and honor the country. --Anthony
Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Of course you would. You honestly hate this country, and I don't. No you fuckwit, you would understand if you any type of reading comprehension at all.
Quote: I love this country for what it stands for. You the your polished and perfected idea of what this country is.
Quote: That is why you call some people "mainstream Americans" like a persons beliefs have anything to do with how much of an "American" they are. That makes you a fucking idiot. The whole point of this country is not some homogenous ideological philosophy but the fact they we are all different in our thinking. That is the United States of America, your ideals, my ideals and every-other Americans'. So quit wrapping yourself in the good damn flag because at some point you are going to suffocate in it. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:59 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Maybe if you knew the history of this country, you'd appreciate it more.
Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Maybe if you knew the history of this country, you'd appreciate it more. I guarantee I know the history of this country far better then you do. Your the one that keeps saying that the Revolutionary War was started because of taxation. A fifth grader knows better. You keep talking about the proper role of government like that is a settled argument, yet forget the vast compromises that where made to form this country. Most of all you forget that this country was formed on the basis of different ideals, not just conservative ones.
Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:11 AM
Quote:regulate Fannie & Freddie
Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Funny how all the things you claim are my arguments, aren't.
Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:50 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, October 24, 2011 5:02 AM
Quote:Meaningless words if you can't / won't show how the TEA party patriots are , in anyway , stepping on the flag. Merely transposing a few words in a sentence and thinking you've made some deep, wise commentary is only fooling yourself, and those useful idiots hapless enough to buy what you're pushin'.
Monday, October 24, 2011 9:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: All I know is that people in my city are starting to be annoyed at how the parks that the protestors have been camping in are mudholes now, and who's paying for it? Its become rather a messy situation, yucky mud and all, those parks can't be used for anything now until they get replanted with grass etc. Makes more sense to just protest every day instead of camping for two weeks. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Monday, October 24, 2011 3:29 PM
Monday, October 24, 2011 3:35 PM
Monday, October 24, 2011 6:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: I'd fucking VOTE for Grayson. Take THAT, as you will. -F Bat shit crazy would vote for bat shit crazy. Duh.
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: I'd fucking VOTE for Grayson. Take THAT, as you will. -F
Monday, October 24, 2011 7:56 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: The discussion he is having is happening inside his own mind, and I cannot go there to talk to him.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: That's probably the weakest Bachmann endorsement I've seen yet. I'm sure she's glad to have your vote, though.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:12 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:24 AM
Quote:I'm beginning to think there is no point in speaking to him.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:58 AM
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: He's winning every time
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Liberal 1: I believe that XYZ is true, and you should agree with me or you are a bad person. Everyonelse 1: "I disagree." Liberal 1: "OMG!! YOUR HAVE NOTHING OF VALUE TO SAY! WHAAARRBBAAGAAARRBBLLLLE!!!"
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:39 AM
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I stopped reading when you said Liberals support X because of the facts. Liberals support X because they think it's the right thing to do, screw the facts.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:51 AM
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Sorry, but you really sound bitter. Hope it all works out, what ever it is.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Sorry, but you really sound bitter. Hope it all works out, what ever it is. Not bitter at all, sorry your wrong again. I was typing that with a smile on my face. Much like the smile of a child watching a fool.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: So insulting others brings a smile to your face, huh? Interesting. A child smiling at a fool ? Huh. Odd analogy. I guess , as a child, you have a chance to grow and learn, still.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:14 AM
Quote: Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. So it is better just to mock them. -m52nickerson
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Watching you try to navigate yourself through this 1 man stage show of nonsensical insults ... kinda interesting. What exactly is your motivation here? What's your point ?
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:24 AM
Quote:To mock AND idiot?
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 11:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: More like Liberal: I believe X because the facts support it. Conservative: No that is a lie! Liberal: Which part, the facts or the conclusion? Conservative: Stop trying to confuse things, your wrong, you hate this country...USA, USA, USA.... Liberal: What? Conservative: Shut-up and listen you stupid socialist/commie/nazi. Liberal: Do you even know what those words mean? Conservative: They mean you hate this country, USA, USA, USA... Liberal: All you are doing is shooting off at the mouth. You’re not making any sense. Conservative: NO! I won't let you take my guns away! Liberal: WTF are you talking about. Conservative: You pinko-commies want to take my guns, you can have them when you pry them from my cold dead fingers. Liberal: When did we start talking about guns? Conservative: USA, USA, USA....you said shooting... USA, USA.... Liberal: Well maybe if you stopped chanting you would hear what I'm saying. Conservative: Now you want to take away my rights to free speech, never you socialist! Liberal: Your an idiot. Conservative: See that, all you liberals are the same; you can't have a decent conversation with liberals they just resort to name calling....USA, USA, USA......
Quote:AURGH! alvays they are crying in my ear! And YOU! NOISE, NOISE! It makes never any sense vhat you are saying!
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:07 PM
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Still can't answer the question, huh? Quote:To mock AND idiot? Meh, oh well.
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:03 PM
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: What exactly is your motivation here? What's your point ?
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:27 PM
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:01 PM
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Naww.. still not getting it. You need to think beyond the surface. What's driving your nonsensical, juvenile little rants? Think , before you answer.
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: Raptor doesn't make it any better though because he seems to have a habbit of playing dumb, thus enticing Nick et al to go 'round and 'round in squircles with him. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I got news for you nicky. You're barkin' up the wrong tree. I'm just having fun watching it all.
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