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Women bring violence on themselves: priest

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December 28, 2012 - 5:55AM


A Catholic priest has sparked outrage in Italy by claiming women bring domestic violence on themselves by dressing provocatively and neglecting housework, Italian media report.

"How often do we see girls and mature women going around scantily dressed and in provocative clothes?" Piero Corsi said in a Christmas message posted on the door of his church in the small town of San Terenzio in northwest Italy.

"They provoke the worst instincts, which end in violence or sexual abuse. They should search their consciences and ask: did we bring this on ourselves?" it read.

The leaflet, a copy of which was posted online sparking a wave of outrage across the country, said the 118 women killed in acts of domestic violence in Italy in 2012 had pushed men to their limits.
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"Is it possible that all of a sudden men have gone mad? We don't believe it," Corsi wrote.

"The fact is that women are increasingly provocative, they become arrogant, they believe themselves to be self-sufficient and end up exacerbating the situation," he said.

"Children are abandoned to their own devices, homes are dirty, meals are cold or fast food, clothes are filthy," he added.

The region's bishop, Luigi Ernesto Palletti, stepped in as the story went viral and said Corsi's words were "unacceptable and go against the church's common feeling on the matter".

Amid protests from women's rights and anti-violence campaigners, Corsi was widely reported by Italian media to have apologised to his congregation and handed in his resignation.

He later denied the reports, saying a resignation letter sent to news agencies was "probably a fake", adding that he was going to "take a rest" but had no intention of stepping down.

"I don't know whether you're a queer or not, but what do you feel when you see a naked woman?" he asked a reporter for Rai Radio.

"Are women themselves not causing harm by unveiling themselves like this?"

The mayor of San Terenzio said the message had left the town's residents "dumbfounded and indignant", while an elderly female resident told Sky Italia television that Corsi "should keep a low profile as he has lots of secrets he would not wish to come out".

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Originally posted by Hero:
There are lots of guys out there that don't hit women, so if your with a guy that does hit you...its on you.

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
There are people who, when confronted with repressed urges, will resort to violence, because they have learned violence as an acceptable method of coping. Lots of sick puppies out there.

On the other hand, I hesitate to read "don't walk alone" as a subtle form of blaming the victim. There are certain things that are just common sense, given the imperfect world we live in. It's like "lock your door," or "put on your seatbelt." Don't wear low necklines or kiss your gay boyfriend in Muslim countries or fundie churches. Don't flaunt your interracial relationship at a KKK rally. There are people who don't know how to handle that. If you know some people are weak and/or wrong in certain areas, don't push their buttons, just because you think they ought not to have those buttons. I'm not saying if you provoke them, you deserve what you get. But it makes sense to not provoke them or give them an opportunity/excuse to go nuts until you're sure you can be safe.

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Conclusion: it happens everywhere. Alternate conclusion: teach all women to kick major amounts of ass.

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Originally posted by Hero:
I have NEVER met a women who owns a firearm who has been the victim of Domestic Violence.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
besides, I'm too old to be an ass-kicker.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
All I'll say is that well-taught martial arts classes are a good thing.

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Originally posted by Hero:

Guns, not fists. I've had victims with self-defense backgrounds. They don't fight back or if they do fight back the Defense claims she started it and the poor fella was defending himself from the girl gone wild...also known as the 'bitch be crazy' defense.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Would teaching the child how to use a gun be the correct remedy?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

The violence and abuses I endured in my life were sometimes at the hands of trusted figures responsible for my protection. Sometimes they were simply overlooked by trusted figures responsible for my protection.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
But surely neither mass and strength are everything.

Look, I was being more facetious than anything. I didn't mean to imply or suggest anything.

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Not everything, but about 80%. The bigger the discrepancy, the higher the percent. Have you ever tried judo, or karate, or wrestling? I have (judo).

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
But surely neither mass and strength are everything.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Mass counts.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It is indeed possible to be too young, too small, too old, or too sick to deliver a proper ass-kicking, and anyone who thinks so is none of the above at the moment.

Nobody knows this more than my hubby, who was a physically intimidating young man- a 6'3" construction worker with lightening-fast reflexes, quick eyes, and ability to read people honed by years of physical and emotional abuse, and war experience at a young age. One of the things he constantly gripes about are the stereotypes of the crippled-but-effective sensei or the slip of a young woman who takes on a half-dozen men twice her size. Mass counts. So does strength. Just wait until you get to be MY age and then tell me about it. I'm sure Niki and Magons feel the same way.

Like I said- division of labor. Not everyone is able to be an ass-kicker, and not everyone should have to be.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Not everything, but about 80%. The bigger the discrepancy, the higher the percent. Have you ever tried judo, or karate, or wrestling? I have (judo).

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I did about a semestre of judo at school. They taught us to use leverage to try to overcome greater weight and size.

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NEW DELHI/SINGAPORE (Reuters) - A woman whose gang rape provoked protests and rare national debate about violence against women in India died from her injuries on Saturday, prompting promises of action from a government that has struggled to respond to public outrage.

The unidentified 23-year-old medical student suffered a brain injury and massive internal damage in the December 16 attack and died in hospital in Singapore where she had been taken for treatment....

The woman, beaten, raped and thrown out of a moving bus, had been flown to Singapore in a critical condition by the Indian government on Thursday.
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"Our words shriveled in the face of what she'd been subjected to by the six men travelling on that bus, who spent an hour torturing and raping her, savagely beating up her male friend."
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The victim and her male friend were returning home from the cinema, media reports say, six men on their bus beat them with metal rods and repeatedly raped the woman. Media said a rod was used in the rape, causing internal injuries. Both were thrown from the bus. The male friend survived. The six suspects have all been arrested and are in custody. The attack has put gender issues centre stage in Indian politics. Issues such as rape, dowry-related deaths and female infanticide have rarely entered mainstream political discourse
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The outcry over the attack caught the government off-guard and it was slow to react. It took a week for Singh to make a statement [Kind of like the NRA on the Newtown shooting] on the attack, infuriating many protesters who saw it as a sign of a government insensitive to the plight of women.

The prime minister, a stiff 80-year-old technocrat who speaks in a low monotone, has struggled to channel the popular outrage in his public statements and convince critics that his eight-year-old government will now take concrete steps to improve the safety of women.

"The Congress managers were ham-handed in their handling of the situation that arose after the brutal assault on the girl. The crowd management was poor," a lawmaker from Singh's ruling Congress party said on condition of anonymity.

Commentators and sociologists say the rape has tapped into a deep well of frustration many Indians feel over what they see as weak governance and poor leadership on social issues.

A global poll by the Thomson Reuters Foundation in June found that India was the worst place to be a woman because of high rates of infanticide, child marriage and slavery.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is one thing I noticed about any martial art, mixed or not: the fighting is very stylized. It prepares you to counter certain expected blows.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, I'm sure some of you have seen this...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is one thing I noticed about any martial art, mixed or not: the fighting is very stylized. It prepares you to counter certain expected blows.

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The dominant model of the human responses to stress has been the fight or flight response. In response to threat, humans (and other animals) can become aggressive and confront a stressor (fight) or flee either literally or through avoidant coping, such as social withdrawal or substance abuse. From the standpoint of human beings, however, this analysis of stress responses is incomplete. Another tendency is to affiliate, that is, to come together in groups in threatening times.[1] This tend and befriend response refers to the fact that people often manage threats by caring for offspring and seeking social support in time of stress.[2][3]

Biological bases of tend and befriend
Many scientists now believe that there is an affiliative neurocircuitry that prompts affiliation especially in response to stress. Research suggests that this system regulates social approach behavior, much as hunger, thirst, or sexual drives are biologically regulated. A biological basis for this regulation appears to be oxytocin.[4]

Oxytocin has been tied to a broad array of social relationships and activities, including peer bonding, sexual activity, and affiliative preferences.[4] Oxytocin is released in humans in response to at least some stressors, especially those that may trigger affiliative needs. Oxytocin prompts affiliative behavior, including maternal tending and social contact with peers.[5] Thus affiliation under stress serves tending needs, including protective response towards offspring, and may also take the form of befriending, namely seeking social contact for one's own protection, the protection of offspring, and the protection of the social group. These social responses to threat reduce biological stress responses, including elevated heart rate, blood pressures, and hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis stress responses, such as cortisol.[6]

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I did about a semestre of judo at school. They taught us to use leverage to try to overcome greater weight and size.

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There is more than one kind of violence. Some people only pick on the completely defenseless.... young children, the comatose, (yes, seriously) the elderly etc These people don't expect resistance of any sort, and any resistance - no matter how incompetent- will stop them. A little bit of karate, boxing, MMA, even wrestling... anything that teaches you to use your weight and improves your timing... should help.

OTOH, there are an awful lot of people who are used to fighting. They've thrown punches, and taken as many. Some have taken knife wounds or bullets. Momentary pain won't shock them, and landing a few blows won't surprise them into stopping. They know how to use their weight, because they've fought before. Don't count on a few years of training to neutralize their advantage in weight, because they're more experienced than you.

You need to be highly trained and in top form, and used to street fighting, before you could win in a straight-up fight. Not for someone weak, small, sick, out of shape, etc. And if your opponent is a gang member, you better stay out of their turf afterwards because you will never, ever be safe. Your best defense is to be part of a militarized group.

ETA: I just saw the thread on MMA. There is one thing I noticed about any martial art, mixed or not: the fighting is very stylized. It prepares you to counter certain expected blows. But as has been noted, certain things are never done in competition because they're permanently damaging. That is why I said you have to be used to STREET FIGHTING.

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You will hardly ever find in recorded in history instances of women banding together to brutalize another person.

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BYTE.. for god's sake, woman! Untwist your panties, willya? Why do you think everything is related to you personally? MOST women don't get into serious fights.

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OTOH, they are very much less likely than males to engage in physical violence. Real-world fact.

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They're less likely to be convicted. :(

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Everyone is screwed up, everyone is potentially violent.

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