REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

The Hill: Democrats and the lemmings of the left

POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 20:46
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 40
PAGE 1 of 1

Wednesday, December 11, 2024 5:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/5024347-democratic-left-stampede-
trump
/

Quote:

After suffering a hard defeat, Democrats are now intent on taking a hard left. If history is any indication, expect them to continue. Simply put, Democrats no longer have enough non-extremists to stop their stampede by the lemmings of the left.

The depth of Democrats’ debacle is easily measured but still difficult to fathom. Trump gained popular vote share — for a third straight presidential election. He became the first Republican to beat a Democrat in the presidential popular vote in 20 years.

In contrast, Harris lost ground to Biden’s 2020 percentage-vote performance in all states but one (Utah) and even in the District of Columbia. As a result, Trump trounced Harris in the Electoral College, 312-226.

Yet staring into this canyon, according to a recent Emerson poll, Harris still leads 2028 Democratic presidential contenders. California Gov. Gavin Newsom placed second. It is tempting to chalk this up to a popularity contest — though Harris’ disastrous campaign makes her popularity hard to imagine — until you look at the other numerous examples of Democrats’ leftward lunge.

...

The Democratic Party is sacrificing its middle. Its far-left infestation drives out the non-extremists it encounters. The far left doesn’t care because they win regardless. Either they win absolutely and their policies advance, or they win relatively, because it is the less-extreme members of the Democratic Party who disproportionately absorb the losses.

That the Democrats are thus infected cannot be doubted. In 2020, Newsweek reported the results of a Gallup poll showing that 76 percent of Democrats would support a socialist for president if nominated by their party.

The lemmings of the left are intent on stampeding the Democratic Party into the sea. And they are likely to be successful because there is no one — and no ones — left to stop them.




Second isn't going anywhere, but Ted might want to reconsider what side of the line he is on.


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I might vote for a socialist, as long as they had Americans' interests at heart. I have no more dedication to monopolies and financialism than I do to globalism, all of which I consider parasitic on Americans.

Bc in order to reindustrialize America, you need a stash of investment capital geared towards infrastructure, basic production, and manufacturing. Ain't no finacialist gonna sink cash into such a low-return endeavor. Either the government finds a partner as part owner (51% govt ownership) or armtwist some company, on the basis of national security, to invest in a industry.


Or you make finacialism such a low return actvity (by increasing reserve requirements astronomically or redefining long term to be five years and jacking up cap gains taxes on anything short term.) that reindustrialization looks like a decent option.

The only problem with making government investment the linchpin of reindustrialization is that it all works when the program is managed by non-corrupted politicians. But over time, the corrupt inevitably worm their way into any concentration of wealth and power. So there has to be some way of devolving the management to smaller entities who will be competing, or refreshing the leadership regularly. And I'm not sure if thats possible. The Founding Fathers did their best with division of power and the vote, but that hasn't prevented total systemic rot.

Needs thought.

One thing govt can do is break apart monopolies.

-----------
"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK



Yeah.... You bring up a lot of good points.

How do you put money into things like infrastructure and get a ROI without taxing the hell out of it, right?




And then look at the solution to the Homeless.

We've spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS on it and the problem just gets worse.

Not only do I suspect that none of the best intentions they had going into it would actually be helpful to anybody long-term, but those people didn't even get that. The vast majority of the money that has been earmarked for homeless has been siphoned off by crooked politicians and bureaucrats.

And with how many foreign-interests the Democrat Party and the NeoCons have allowed to pervade and influence every aspect of American society in the last 20 years, who knows how much of that money has been removed completely from the American economy and is now being circulated somewhere else.



The biggest problem of being a citizen of the country with the largest printing press is that they're splitting the stock you own every single day and giving the split to somebody else.

That was bad enough when the money remained in our economy, but now who the fuck knows where it ends up after it's been split?



--------------------------------------------------

Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:38 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Bc in order to reindustrialize America, you need a stash of investment capital geared towards infrastructure, basic production, and manufacturing. Ain't no finacialist gonna sink cash into such a low-return endeavor. Either the government finds a partner as part owner (51% govt ownership) or armtwist some company, on the basis of national security, to invest in a industry.

When tax rates went down, the rich stopped investing in America and gave the money to themselves instead. That's why America is in the situation it is now in today: high government deficits and low investment in industry.

Look at Figure 1: Top Income Tax Rates by Type of Income (1913-2023)
https://www.concordcoalition.org/issue-brief/historical-tax-rates-the-
rhetoric-and-reality-of-taxing-the-rich
/

Between 1936 and 1963, the top individual income tax rate generally ranged between 80 and 90 percent.[12] In 1964, the top rate was reduced to 77 percent, and it was reduced to 70 percent in 1965.

In the 1980s, the top tax rate was reduced from 70 percent to 50 percent, and then to 28 percent.

It is obvious to anyone, except a Trumptard, that as the tax rate changes for the wealthy (not the middle class, the rich), the investment behavior of the wealthy changes enormously and so does the National Debt. If Trump wants to Make America Great Again, the tax rates on the rich must be returned to the same old high levels back when America was great.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 11, 2024 7:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Though every irrational part of my brain is screaming at me otherwise, the rational part of my brain is making it very hard for me to not be in agreement with Second on that particular issue.

It's hardly the only problem leading to the outcome that he claims it created singularly, but we have to expect that coming from Second since he has a very simple mind.



Those people didn't re-invest in America. Some of the rain fell here when everything started "Trickling Down", sure....

But a ton of that shit ended up everywhere else but America.

And our government has been run by corporations with no allegiance to America ever since.



--------------------------------------------------

Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 11, 2024 8:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


What 2nd fails to mention with his tax stat history is that low-income people were being fucked hard core by the Federal Government too.

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-income-tax-rates
-brackets
/

I'm assuming that this is why the tax cuts for the 1% didn't bother anybody at the time since they all got massive pay raises when their obscene Federal tax burden was lowered to something resembling reasonable.




Personally, I think you shouldn't pay any income tax other than SS/Medicare unless you're single and making over $50k per year (Married $80k per year).

And the cap on SS/Mediare should be removed and everyone should pay into that on every dollar they make.


And for the love of god, fix the fucking market.

You can change the tax rates all you want, but when the 1% never draw a paycheck in the first place, you need to figure out how you're going to get them to pay their fair share somewhere else.

--------------------------------------------------

Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Wednesday, December 11, 2024 8:46 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

And the cap on SS/Medicare should be removed and everyone should pay into that on every dollar they make.


And for the love of god, fix the fucking market.

You can change the tax rates all you want, but when the 1% never draw a paycheck in the first place, you need to figure out how you're going to get them to pay their fair share somewhere else.

There is no limit on the amount of earnings subject to Medicare (hospital insurance) tax. The Medicare tax rate applies to all taxable wages and remains at 1.45 percent with the exception of an “additional Medicare tax” assessed against all taxable wages paid in excess of the applicable threshold (see Note).

Note: Employers are required to withhold the additional Medicare tax at a 0.9 percent rate on wages and other compensation paid to an employee in excess of $200,000 in a calendar year.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/medicarewages.asp

As for the rich, either Corporations or Individuals, there are income taxes on income that is NOT wages. "Profits" for Corps. "Dividends" and "Capital Gains" for wealthy Individuals. But the IRS will not collect from people like Trump because his lawyers/accountants/bookkeepers will stall the IRS lawyers from here to eternity. Over $1 trillion in taxes is not paid each year because of straightforward cheating with absolutely no subtlety.

Trump's IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig told the Senate Finance Committee that the annual tax gap could be $1 trillion. For years, the outgunned IRS hampered by Republican budget cuts struggled against billionaires and corporations with virtually unlimited resources at their disposal.
https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/whitehouse-offsh
ore-tax-evasion-by-big-corporations-the-wealthy-cheats-american-people


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS SINCE LAST READ

USERPOST DATE
second 12.11 20:46

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
The Hill: Democrats and the lemmings of the left
Wed, December 11, 2024 20:46 - 7 posts
IRAN: Kamala Harris and Biden's war?
Wed, December 11, 2024 19:34 - 18 posts
Countdown Clock Until Vladimir Putins' Rule Ends
Wed, December 11, 2024 19:32 - 158 posts
A.I Artificial Intelligence AI
Wed, December 11, 2024 19:04 - 251 posts
Who hates Israel?
Wed, December 11, 2024 19:02 - 77 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Wed, December 11, 2024 17:59 - 4839 posts
Jesus christ... Can we outlaw the fuckin' drones already?
Wed, December 11, 2024 17:55 - 3 posts
Turkey as the new Iran
Wed, December 11, 2024 17:42 - 45 posts
Russia, Signyms And Iran's Big Middle East Fail
Wed, December 11, 2024 17:12 - 19 posts
Elections; 2024
Wed, December 11, 2024 16:57 - 4927 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Wed, December 11, 2024 13:46 - 7579 posts
Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility
Wed, December 11, 2024 13:43 - 73 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL