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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Okay I have a couple of questions regarding River. Only because I lover her character and her lines always seem to have meaning behind them, some of which I don't always catch, so that's why I am posting this.
1) In Serenity When Mal says to the Operative "I know the secret that burned up River Tam's brain" What does he mean. I know he is talking about the Reavers and Miranda, but what does that have to do with hurting River, and If she went to an academy on miranda how come she didn't either become Reaver like or lay down and die.
2) In Ariel when Jayne is looking into an open body holder thing River wakes up and says something, in the Subtittles it says inaudioble or something, does anyone know what she says or is she just mumbling.

Okay I know there is more but I really can't think right now, so if anyone has answers or theorys OR more questions please ask/answer. Thanks

peace. . . .for now

River: You belived her, Made a face.

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3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

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2) In Ariel when Jayne is looking into an open body holder thing River wakes up and says something, in the Subtittles it says inaudioble or something, does anyone know what she says or is she just mumbling.

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Those weren’t flashbacks as much as dream sequences.

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3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

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Originally posted by thesoapboxer:
Wouldn't it be "Copper and a kiss" then?

But, yeah, it probably was some sort of premonition on River's part, just not a very well communicated one. Even River seemed to be confused as to why she just said that.

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Originally posted by Muirgheal:
I could be way off here but I think the copper for a kiss thing is aluding to Judas betraying Jesus, taking a bag of money and then kissing Jesus before handing him over the Pilat's men.

That he had totally betrayed them and then tried to make it seem like he was trying to save them. Covering his own behind. In that episode he went from being real hateful to them to suddenly being all chummy and I think in her way she was hinting that she knew he had betrayed them.

Muirgheal
A Shiny Happy Person

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:


3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

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Originally posted by USMC:
River is Hot!

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:


3) In Ariel River has a whole scene on talking about "Christmas, and Coal and Don't look in the closet it's greedy." I was just wondering does anyone know the meaning behind that? Cause stuff like that doesn't sound just like random giberish.

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Originally posted by danielwrightmusic:
Pretty sure that "Copper for a kiss" was a reference to Judas's betrayal of Jesus. It would makes sense being that River had been spending time with Book's Bible. Yeah, pretty sure about this one.

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Originally posted by PrincessRohannen:

I always figured that particular bit of gibberish to be a metaphor for Jayne's disappointment. Christmas is the reward that Jayne was looking forward to for turning the two of them in. When the fed stabbed Jayne in the back, he took away Christmas.

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Also someone mentioned in ariel River says, "we're doing it backwards, going up the downslide." Or somehting like that. What is she talking about?


River - You belived her, made a face.

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Another thing, in "Safe" River is tied to the post and Simon is beside her, and she says "Post Holer, digging holes for posts." I know that is what kaylee says earlier in the episode but what is behinde that? and why does that make simon do what he does? I probably know the answer but opinions are really good to know.

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River says ALOT in "Safe"; her swearing fit that ends with her looking straight at Mal and saying "You're not him."
Mal isn't who?

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Originally posted by schooner:
I thought Judas was paid thirty peices of silver, not copper?

I thought this line referred to the old practice of putting copper coins over a dead person's eyes, so they would be able to pay Charon's fee to cross over. Since River had just returned 'from the dead', she would have a couple of unused copper coins. Maybe a slight touch of River/Jayne shipping, there?

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Originally posted by Bowie:
River
They took Christmas away.Came down the stairs for the shiny presents, but they took the tree and
the stockings. Nothing left but coal.
Jayne
Christmas?
Simon.
River, whata re you talking about?

River
Christmas. You can't open your
presents before.And don't look in the closet, either.That's greedy. It's not in the
spirit of the holiday.

My translation.
River
They aren't paying you. You were so excited about getting paid, came down with your hopes up, but instead your being arrested with us.

Jayne.
I have a bad feeling about what your saying.
Simon:
I have no clue. I really don't understand River
River.
You can't count on getting paid before. Don't look for bad ways of making money, its greedy. Its wrong to pretend to protect people and then sell them, not in the spirit of family.

thats my feelings anyway.

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Originally posted by Bowie:
River
They took Christmas away.Came down the stairs for the shiny presents, but they took the tree and
the stockings. Nothing left but coal.
Jayne
Christmas?
Simon.
River, whata re you talking about?

River
Christmas. You can't open your
presents before.And don't look in the closet, either.That's greedy. It's not in the
spirit of the holiday.

My translation.
River
They aren't paying you. You were so excited about getting paid, came down with your hopes up, but instead your being arrested with us.

Jayne.
I have a bad feeling about what your saying.
Simon:
I have no clue. I really don't understand River
River.
You can't count on getting paid before. Don't look for bad ways of making money, its greedy. Its wrong to pretend to protect people and then sell them, not in the spirit of family.

thats my feelings anyway.

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That was more or less my interpretation it as well. It struck me that she really did seem to be directing the comment at Jayne. I didn't quite get it all the first time I watched it but second time 'round I was fairly certain that she was acknowledging that Jayne had betrayed them only to miss out on his reward and get arrested with them.

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
1) In Serenity When Mal says to the Operative "I know the secret that burned up River Tam's brain" What does he mean. I know he is talking about the Reavers and Miranda, but what does that have to do with hurting River, and If she went to an academy on miranda how come she didn't either become Reaver like or lay down and die.

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Originally posted by 25MyTurn25:
Another thing, in "Safe" River is tied to the post and Simon is beside her, and she says "Post Holer, digging holes for posts." I know that is what kaylee says earlier in the episode but what is behinde that? and why does that make simon do what he does? I probably know the answer but opinions are really good to know.

River - You belived her, made a face.

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