Why a BDM sequel on sci-fi channel shouldn't happen! by TudykRawks

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Why a BDM sequel on sci-fi channel shouldn't happen!

POSTED BY: TUDYKRAWKS
UPDATED: Thursday, February 2, 2006 11:01
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Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:49 PM

well before i get flamed like crazy let me explain: there is nothing i would love more than a sequel to the BDM (except maybe to have the series flying again), but here's the problem i have. the special effects on sci-fi channel movies blows monkey

i would do anything to get more stories from the verse, but if it's gonna look like crap is it really worth it? do we really want a sub-par product, just so we get something. i would much rather have it in comic form where anything can happen, or direct to dvd w/a decent budget, any thing except an ugly looking shell of what we all love.

"mine is an evil laugh"

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Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:10 PM

HIXIE129

I really don't care at all about the special effects. I just want the characters together and more stories from the verse. To me it is this group of special actors that make it work so well and not the effects.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:13 PM

SERENYTY

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
I really don't care at all about the special effects. I just want the characters together and more stories from the verse. To me it is this group of special actors that make it work so well and not the effects.

well put.

Of course, this could happen with comic books and other ways, but another movie would be the shiniest option.

~A message from Serenyty~

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Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:32 PM

MRBEN

Given that the Sci-Fi channel is a pay-only option here in the UK, which means that much of the UK (myself included) did not even have the opportunity to see the first series, I would much rather it was a 'proper' movie.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:37 PM

TUDYKRAWKS

Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
I really don't care at all about the special effects. I just want the characters together and more stories from the verse. To me it is this group of special actors that make it work so well and not the effects.

i totaly understand that point and i agree, but if the effects are not as good it could make the whole thing feel off in some way.

"mine is an evil laugh"

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 1:35 AM

MAJORCLOD

Gotta be kidding me. Zoic are the ones that did the visual effects for Firefly and Serenity, they also do Battlestar Galactica.

Have you seen some of the Galactica effects lately, especially in the second half of season two, absolutely stellar. If they can afford beautiful stuff like that in every single episode of BSG, we can have a few nice shots in the Big Damn Sequel.

Also got to remember that Zoic has a lot of the assets from the series and movie to use, so there will be definate costs saved as there won't need to be as much pre-production design work. They have the ships, the universe style, lots of stuff to use from the BDM in their bag of tricks.

If its as good as Zoic's Firefly stuff, I'll be damn happy.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 1:51 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Quote:
Originally posted by mrben:
Given that the Sci-Fi channel is a pay-only option here in the UK, which means that much of the UK (myself included) did not even have the opportunity to see the first series, I would much rather it was a 'proper' movie.

The Sci-Fi Channel referred to in the post that started this thread is the U. S. cable station, which is owned by NBC/Universal, which is also the parent company of Universal studios which produced the BDM.

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Originally posted by MajorClod:
Gotta be kidding me. Zoic are the ones that did the visual effects for Firefly and Serenity, they also do Battlestar Galactica.

And the reason that BG looks as good as it does is because that show has a higher budget than most SFC shows, due to the fact it is a joint production between SFC and Sky One. Now if the same sort of deal could be made for a Firefly/Serenity series revival, that would be great.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 4:49 AM

JONUS

Well keep dreaming if you think a sequel will come to theaters. I don't think Universal or any company will take a chance.

I think the Sci-Fi channel is perfect for a sequel. The fx wouldn't be as good as Serenity's but probably closer to Firefly. You can do great fx with not a lot of $$$.

Mal would kick Han Solo's ass.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 5:49 AM

KIZYR

You're just looking at their track records on movies, though (which, yeah, ain't lookin' too good).

Firefly as a miniseries or regular TV series on Sci-Fi could work out quite well--just like Farscape, SG-1, Atlantis (yeah I like both), etc. The effects would be just as good as the original season.

Plus which, I think it'd be more profitable as a miniseries or regular series than a made-for-TV movie anyway. KF

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Forgive what you can and send me on my path. I will walk on until you bid me rest.
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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 6:22 AM

I agree with you. A sci-fi channel movie would get a fraction of the budget of Serenity. A few flying scenes and they'd be spent out, forget another big space battle.

Although I do agree about Zoic having a lot of the assets from the series and movie to use. Not sure exactly how much that would save.

Also, I can't see all the cast returning for a sci-fo channel movie. And how much would that

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 12:57 PM

THECOLLECTOR

As once said before BsG has some great graphics.

If you saw Atlantis did you people actually see the Wraith battle from the first episode when Atlantis returned? It could easily be done.

If you want to look at movies... Look at the BsG miniseries... that has some excellent stuff as well.

One that wasn't said... there was a movie by the name of Riverworld that Sci-Fi showed... that had some awesome graphics in it as well.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 1:24 PM

SEPHRIM

I would love to see a sequel on the Sci-Fi channel. Don't get me wrong I'd rather see it on the big screen but i wouldn't cut the Sci-Fi channel short. Some of there original movies do look like da-shiong bao-jah-shr duh la doo-tze, but what they did with Children of Dune was flat out amazing.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 1:28 PM

NOVASTARCLOUD

Preface: I would love nothing better than a sequel, yes!

However....

I wouldn't trust the sci-fi channel to do an oaty bar commercial.

I'm biased, I hate the sci-fi channel. I LOVE sci-fi genre, but I hate the sci-fi channel. They rank right down there with Fox executives. I don't trust them to do the right thing.

All IMHO, of course.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 3:14 PM

MILFORD

Heeeeyyyyy...everybody calm down. Do you really think that Joss would let someone put out a shoddy FF/S product? Fat chance mi amigos. Everybody take a deep breath and go back to forcing the networks to put FF back on the air. Let Joss handle the details, that's what he's there for.

Remember, that but for one trifling exception, the entire universe is made up of others.- Oliver Wendall Holmes

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 3:39 PM

CYBERSNARK

Y'know, there is a way to get nigh unlimited VFX on a lower budget.

Who do we talk to to look into Firefly cartoon?

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Wednesday, February 1, 2006 3:45 PM

CARTOON

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Who do we talk to to look into Firefly cartoon?

Maybe a CGI cartoon? (Like in good computer games) That would be very nice.

Then just get the cast to do their voices.

(Granted, I'd prefer "Firefly" to return to live-action on TV, AND a movie sequel, but that seems to be hoping for quite a bit.)

"Looked bigger when I couldn't see him."

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Thursday, February 2, 2006 7:03 AM

CYBERSNARK

Actually, Cartoon Network is making (or is it out yet?) a show called IGPX, which bills itself as "the first international animé," meaning that it's written in America and animated in Japan, simultaneously dubbed and released.

If ever there was a franchise that invited similar East/West co-operation. . .

Get Joss to write the scripts, then find someone in Japan (or China, since their animation industry is starting to jump) who commands their language as well as Joss does ours, get them to write the dubs, get a good animation house who aren't afraid of excessive detail, get them to consult with Zoic. . .

And of course, our BDH as the English-language voice talent.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Thursday, February 2, 2006 8:10 AM

ZOID

I'm going to agree with MajorClod on this one. SciFi is the way to go. I'm thinking (6-part?) miniseries as a launching pad for a return to weekly episodic television, since a single two-hour episode seems to be the wrong format for Firefly (vis the BDM). Character progression takes longer than 2-hours to do, and that is/was the singular beauty of Firefly.

Zoic, as noted previously, are long-time friends with Joss (having also done SFX for BtVS and AtS) and to Firefly fans in particular. They are doing amazing work on BSG on SciFi. And I don't imagine pricing will be a major stumbling block. Loni is a quality guy; I can't imagine a little thing like money getting in the way of his participation in future incarnations of Firefly, for which he has pledged his undying love.

Besides which, as others have noted, Firefly is not as good with epic space battles. Firefly is about the characters, not their rides and fancy 'boomsticks'. Therefore, less SFX is preferable; but they should be done well when they are necessary, which brings us back to Loni Peristere and Zoic's special relationship with JW, in general, and Firefly, in particular. QED.

Logically,

zoid
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Thursday, February 2, 2006 9:37 AM

KOMELION

I’ll weigh in. As long as Sci-Fi doesn’t meddle with the work of Joss and crew, (Zoic and the other people involved with making the Firefly world) it will be good. Although Firefly didn’t rely on SFX and kick-ass explosions, cheese ones might scare away potential browncoats. Sci-Fi does use cheese CGI for their original movies, but Firefly has already established a look and Zoic has their back. The story, I’m afraid, needs longer than the two hours of most Sci-Fi movies. You know Firefly is more about characters and plot than anything else.

I like the idea of having a miniseries to get everyone excited before they (Sci-Fi) brought Firefly back to TV.

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Thursday, February 2, 2006 11:01 AM

KILLERBANANA

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Actually, Cartoon Network is making (or is it out yet?) a show called IGPX, which bills itself as "the first international animé," meaning that it's written in America and animated in Japan, simultaneously dubbed and released.

If ever there was a franchise that invited similar East/West co-operation. . .

Get Joss to write the scripts, then find someone in Japan (or China, since their animation industry is starting to jump) who commands their language as well as Joss does ours, get them to write the dubs, get a good animation house who aren't afraid of excessive detail, get them to consult with Zoic. . .

And of course, our BDH as the English-language voice talent.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

An international anime? Is that even possible considering anime is japanese animation

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