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It's like Phoenixrose says.

The phrase "Captain Daddy" is fanon (and weird, in my opinion) but the concept of Mal as a father figure to River is canon from "Safe".

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It's like Phoenixrose says.

The phrase "Captain Daddy" is fanon (and weird, in my opinion) but the concept of Mal as a father figure to River is canon from "Safe".

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I hate the term Captain Daddy with a passion. It's just... silly.

As for Mal as a father figure, yes, he seems to be, though you cannot take River's words in Safe as her calling Mal daddy so straightforward, without a grain of salt, considering River has a different way of seeing things and her words cannot always be fully interpreted. Especially because, in this same episode, she says to Mal in the beginning, when she's having her fit on Serenity, "you're not him", which seems to be referring to him not being their father... So, I'm not ever sure she is talking about Mal when she says 'daddy will come', but Mal does seem to be a father figure to her. And he's the captain! Authority figure as well. :)

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I think the "Daddy will come" reference is pretty clear, actually, considering the surrounding circumstances. The "You're not him" on the other hand doesn't have that direct context, since River's interaction with Simon at that point centers mostly around medical tests and her frustration with the entire world. It could be any "him" she means, ranging from their father to the scientists who hurt her.

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And yet, when River is talking with Simon, she's talking about the past, what Simon lost, what he gave up for her, so it's also possible she is referring to her father, and she might not even be directly talking about daddy coming for them there, where they are, but in the future. Though she may also be referring to Mal as a father figure. What River says may not always be straightforward and is open to various interpretations. :)

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And yet, when River is talking with Simon, she's talking about the past, what Simon lost, what he gave up for her, so it's also possible she is referring to her father, and she might not even be directly talking about daddy coming for them there, where they are, but in the future. Though she may also be referring to Mal as a father figure. What River says may not always be straightforward and is open to various interpretations. :)

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Well, theoretically, she could be talking about the Easter Bunny, alright, but within the context of the episode it's a very obvious metaphor, especially since it's at first played as a misdirection, making it appear as if she is talking about their father (aided by Simon's reaction to that line), but then combined with the "Time to go" premonition it's pretty straight forward that she means Mal (not to mention all the rest of the episode that parallels and contrasts the theme of parental abandonment) and it requires some effort and deliberation to read it differently.

None of River's episodes are actually that hard to interpret, even the hair incident, so reading too much complexity into them is not really necessary.

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*shrug* You make a good point. I stand corrected. Still doesn't justify whoever had the fine idea of coming up with the completely silly 'captain daddy' term, though.



"People tell you things all the time, without talking. The way they move, the way they aren't talking." - River Tam

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*shrug* You make a good point. I stand corrected. Still doesn't justify whoever had the fine idea of coming up with the completely silly 'captain daddy' term, though.

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*shrug* You make a good point. I stand corrected. Still doesn't justify whoever had the fine idea of coming up with the completely silly 'captain daddy' term, though.

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You make a very good point, as well. *G*

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*shrug* You make a good point. I stand corrected. Still doesn't justify whoever had the fine idea of coming up with the completely silly 'captain daddy' term, though.

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You make a very good point, as well. *G*

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*grin* Truthfully, I do want to cringe every time I read it... I'm sure I'm not alone in this. :)

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*shrug* You make a good point. I stand corrected. Still doesn't justify whoever had the fine idea of coming up with the completely silly 'captain daddy' term, though.

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You make a very good point, as well. *G*

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*grin* Truthfully, I do want to cringe every time I read it... I'm sure I'm not alone in this. :)

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It has this certain pimp-like quality to it...

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It has this certain pimp-like quality to it...

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It has this certain pimp-like quality to it...

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Oh God, you've now completely killed me with that comment.

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In sincerely apologize. *G* Can't you just imagine him with a Very Fine Hat, the women of Serenity all draped around him, only slightly less bedazzling that the large amounts of jewelry he'd decked out with?

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It has this certain pimp-like quality to it...

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Oh God, you've now completely killed me with that comment.

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In sincerely apologize. *G* Can't you just imagine him with a Very Fine Hat, the women of Serenity all draped around him, only slightly less bedazzling that the large amounts of jewelry he'd decked out with?

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*runs away screaming from the horrifying image*

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It has this certain pimp-like quality to it...

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Oh God, you've now completely killed me with that comment.

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In sincerely apologize. *G* Can't you just imagine him with a Very Fine Hat, the women of Serenity all draped around him, only slightly less bedazzling that the large amounts of jewelry he'd decked out with?

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*runs away screaming from the horrifying image*

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Another episode of our popular series "Things that should not be said aloud".

*shrugs*

Oops? *g*

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Though, truth be told, not sure he'd mind having a few woman draped about him... or maybe he would. Our captain's a little prude, can't even stand to hear about Kaylee's lack of sexual activity without making the funniest horrified expressions. ;)

And we've taken a turn to the completely off topic.

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