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According to a thread in the FFF community on Live Journal:

http://community.livejournal.com/fireflyfans/882744.html

Linked from this thread is an Alliance data file on our favourite psych-chick:

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The headers are hard to read and probably written in Chinese, but it seems reasonable to assume that the field printed "19dec00" denotes River's date of birth. That being the case, the vestigial mode of time measurement based on solar cycles when she comes into the 'verse will be precisely 494 years and one week from to-day! We celebrated Mal's birthday, I say we do the same for River. Who's in?

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Originally posted by asarian:
Still working from the assumption that Simon rescued River late 2516 (and, conversely, that he entered Serenity early 2517), then he and his sister must have been on Serenity for 'bout one-and-a-half year already. That clashes with Captain's "Eight months. Eight months, you had her on my boat." Unless Simon boarded Serenity only late 2517 (Rhyianan rather convincingly argued that the Eavesdown docks scene seems to take place around Fall).

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And that Kaylee's "We're going on a year now" is the most accurate (if by that she meant: them all together as a crew -- at least with her and Simon and River still onboard).

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I'm stumped by the "New Providence" reference, though.

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Originally posted by marina:

For some reason I thought she had been at the academy much longer than ~1 year (re: aug15 and Simon's escape date)...

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Still working from the assumption that Simon rescued River late 2516 (and, conversely, that he entered Serenity early 2517), then he and his sister must have been on Serenity for 'bout one-and-a-half year already. That clashes with Captain's "Eight months. Eight months, you had her on my boat." Unless Simon boarded Serenity only late 2517 (Rhyianan rather convincingly argued that the Eavesdown docks scene seems to take place around Fall).

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"Fall" would happen at different times on different planets. Plus Mal has already established that he can't tell time. ("You said three weeks!" "That was six months ago, captain.")

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And that Kaylee's "We're going on a year now" is the most accurate (if by that she meant: them all together as a crew -- at least with her and Simon and River still onboard).

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The "goin' on a year now" was just how long it's been since she got any, wasn't it?

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I'm stumped by the "New Providence" reference, though.

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New Providence could well be a town or city where (it seems, from placement on the form) River was born. Remember: planets are big. You can't just say "I'm from Londinium" and expect people to be able to get in touch with your family, birth-hospital, and house.

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Originally posted by asarian:

Aug 22, 2015 definitely is the right date when River went to the Academy (and corroborrated: "She was fourteen," Simon says in the pilot). And the year 2517 is written on the screen at the start of the series. And, come to think of it, if the BDM takes place around June 4, 2018, then River is also STILL "a traumatized seventeen-year-old girl" at the time. It all fits. Hail to Joss' astounding sense of detail!

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Aug 22, 2515 definitely is the right date when River went to the Academy (and corroborrated: "She was fourteen," Simon says in the pilot). And the year 2517 is written on the screen at the start of the series. And, come to think of it, if the BDM takes place around June 4, 2518, then River is also STILL "a traumatized seventeen-year-old girl" at the time. It all fits. Hail to Joss' astounding sense of detail!

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You're right, of course. But I did figure out why I thought that - the River Tam Sessions. The fact that they were numbered into the 400's - I was incorrectly assuming that she was (on average) having no more than one session per day. But I guess if she were having two sessions a day it would fit perfectly.

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Rhyianan rather convincingly argued that the Eavesdown docks scene seems to take place around Fall

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Actually, my argument was that the weather was fall-like during that scene, judging by the clothing the BDHs were wearing. For all I know, it could have been the height of summer, just the climate and temperature were what I associate with early fall/late spring, since all planets are different, as was pointed out earlier.

Also, now that I'm looking at the data on River, something interesting jumps out at me. The dates are done European style, with the day and then the month, but the alliance is supposed to be the US and China (at least from what I understand). So since the dates aren't in Chinese, wouldn't it be more likely that it would be done American style, with the month first and then the day?

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For some reason I thought she had been at the academy much longer than ~1 year (re: aug15 and Simon's escape date)... Can't place the quote or the reference, though

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Also, now that I'm looking at the data on River, something interesting jumps out at me. The dates are done European style, with the day and then the month, but the alliance is supposed to be the US and China (at least from what I understand). So since the dates aren't in Chinese, wouldn't it be more likely that it would be done American style, with the month first and then the day?

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