Weird situation with a trekky by monksdad

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Weird situation with a trekky

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:34 AM

Ok, so me and my kid are at the Vet’s office getting my new puppy “River” her booster shots. She gets the shots and I’m at the front counter paying. This lady is up there as well dropping off a poop sample presumably for her dog. She tells me what a beautiful kid I have and that I have the cutest puppy she has ever seen. I say thank you, she then asks me what the dogs name is. I of course tell her its “River”, She then gives me a weird look. So then the Vet nurse lady working the counter asks me why I named my dog after River Phoenix. I then tell her that The dog is named after River Tam from my favorite TVshow/Movie Firefly/Serenity. Just then the lady who had just told me what a beautiful kid and the cutest dog she had ever scene in her life shoots me a horrible mean glare. She then yells at my dog for sniffing at her feet..... I didn’t know what to make of it, perhaps the woman is Bi-polar or something... Anyway the woman leaves the vets office and goes and sits in her truck outside. The Vet nurse lady then tells me that the lady is a bitch and I agree with her... so we finish paying for the shots and go outside, the woman is still in her truck. Thats when I notice something... Her Truck is outfitted with vinyl decals to make it look like the Star Ship Enterprise. Even has NCC-1701 on the door and everything, I guess the lady is a hard core trekky. So anyway I make eye contact with her and she shoots me another glare puts her truck in gear and backs out. she then starts to pull out of the parking lot and stops behind my truck to presumably check out my window stickers (Serenity, FFF.net, Browncoat on board, and a blue sun sticker,). She then shakes her head at me and tears out of the parking lot. Now my question to other browncoats out there. Do Trekkys hate us? Because I am somewhat a trek fan myself, A Browncoat for sure but i do enjoy STtNG. I just wonder if this lady was crazy or does she just hate browncoats. It was obvious she knows the scifi genre and anyone who outfits there car like the enterprise probably goes to conventions and what not so I will ask again since I have only attended a handful of scifi co

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:37 AM

MONKSDAD

to finish what I wrote before.....

I will ask again since I have only attended a handful of scifi conventions. Do Trekkys hate Browncoats as a rule or was this an isolated incident.....

"And I think calling him that is an insult to the psychotic lowlife community."

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:41 AM

DTUCK

I think it was an isolated incident... at least, I hope it was...

I was a trekky long before Firefly came around, and I still watch TNG/DS9/Voyager whenever they come on SpikeTV, but if you were to ask me directly which I liked more... well, I'd have to slip on my brown coat.

Maybe she was just bi-polar or something.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:44 AM

DEEPTHOUGHT

Probably and isolated incident. I am something of a treky my self and also love firefly/serenity, as do most of the other trekies I know, so I would say that that woman was just strange.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:49 AM

PIRATECAT

Trekkies are os st fans with Kirk. Trekkers are next gen. fans. The dislike is between themselves. The war is between Star Wars fans and Trek fans. Browncoat fans are to small to worry about, yet. She was a fed working to get River in her truck.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:51 AM

CYBERSNARK

Hopefully an isolated incident; Trekkies don't usually hate anything except. . . well, Star Trek.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:00 AM

SHINYED

It's very hard to watch any Star Trek anymore after becoming a Browncoat.

I think if I ever hear again the terms :

starboard nacells
venting plasma
phase coupler inducers

I'd have to commit hari-kiri.

Also....thank God all the Enterprises had a big deflector dish on them!!!...whew!...that puppy seemed to be the answer to every problem they ever had....all ya ever had to do was emit a pulse thru it..any 'ole pulse...tachyon, plasma, the dreaded inverse-tachyon, etc etc etc....gee I'm gonna be sick now.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:32 AM

SCARECROW866

Sorry to hear about that! And to think that Star Trek universe is about tolerance and getting along with others.

I also hope that it's an isolated incident.

I was (or still am?) a big Trek fan but after discovering the 'verse of Firefly, I've become a browncoat through and through.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:50 AM

SIMONWHO

Actually the two fandoms had a link up and did mutual support for the campaigns for Enterprise to get a fourth season and for there to be a Firefly movie.

I suspect you encountered someone who probably knows every Star Trek episode by heart but doesn't understand the message behind any of it.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:53 AM

EMBERS

I think that some trek fans may have resented Firefly because the latter was seen as the 'anti-trek'...where
the Alliance = The Federation,
personally I felt that the sanitized world of shiny happy people on Star Trek seemed kind of creepy and horrible after thinking about how much I would hate living in a world where they have managed to solve all human problems, and are now on a mission to go out to strange new worlds to solve all their problems too.
Also Enterprise was getting cancelled and wasn't getting a movie made (not like Firefly got Serenity made)....

A lot of Star Wars fans resented Firefly too because of the whole 'Joss is my Master now' thing, where people online were saying Lucas had had it and Joss was the new voice of sci-fi.

The X-files fans were mixed, I think some were worried he would 'ruin' the X-files (and Joss did shake things up a lot!) but compared to the last movie, I think most of those fans feel that Joss has been good for the franchise.

luckily the fanatic freaks are rarities...
everyone I know who loves sci-fi has fallen in love with Firefly/Serenity.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:53 AM

DERANGEDMILK

Another Trekkie here. That woman was crazy, plain and simple. Sure there are lots of Trekkies who hate each other and lots that hate Star Wars. I'm a fan of scifi and like all ST and definitely the original star wars as well as many other scifi shows and movies. I try to stay out of the fandom wars, I think they're kinda silly, I mean c'mon, to each is own, go your own way people. Firefly is far and away my favorite though and above all other fandom's I would cliam my loyality to be with the Browncoats.

However, once I did something kind of similiar to what the women did, but less confrontational and crazy, and probably something a lot of scifi fans would agree with. Last year I was eating lunch in my dorm's cafeteria and talking to this guy that I'd seen some of my other metalhead, scifi, computer geek friends hanging out with. We were talking about how much we both loved Star Wars when I realized he hadn't seen the originals. I asked him about it and he said he tried to watch them but thought they were boring and said he loved the new ones. I finished quickly and told all of my friends that night at dinner and none of us ever talked to him again. However, I didn't hate him or give him vindictive glares or allow my opinion of him to transfer to innocent and adorable animals.

Besides that, I'm a pretty easy going guy that gets along with just about everybody. Don't let that women get ya down, some people are just wierd.
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Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:52 AM

DONCOAT

I never could understand why fans of one show resent fans of other shows. It's not like you only get one choice. I love a lot of things, for varying reasons... ST, SW (originals, anyway), LotR books and movies, the Harry Potter books and movies, the Narnia books and movie, Watership Down, Sherlock Holmes, Alice In Wonderland, and a whole lot of (other) science fiction. The list goes on and on.

Just because Firefly happens to be at the top of the list doesn't mean I don't like the other things, or wish them (or their devoted fans) ill.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:56 PM

ASORTAFAIRYTALE

Yeah this seems like a very strange incident...why would a person be mean just because of a show you like? I mean I suppose it's possible that she's really jealous that our show is a bazillion times more awesome than her's, but still, that's no reason to act like a jerk.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:39 PM

IWEN

Quote:
Originally posted by ShinyEd:
It's very hard to watch any Star Trek anymore after becoming a Browncoat.

I agree with this statement BIGTIME. Ever since Firefly I have not been able to look the same way at Star Trek. Enterprise was on Sci-Fi this past Monday all evening...and I enjoyed that show back when it was on but I could not sit down and watch it straight through. Same with TNG...

Just does not cut the mustard since fall 2002.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:12 PM

REGINAROADIE

I think this is also an isolated incident. Either she's a fan who takes her fandom way too seriously to the point of chastizing other fandoms, or maybe she was just having a bad day. She was at the vet. Maybe her cat or dog was sick or had to be put down, and was having a hard time dealing with the loss of a pet, and maybe just seeing a diehard fan of another fandom was enough to send them over the edge. Kind of like Randal and the Rings geek in CLERKS 2. "There's only one 'Return' OK, and it ain't of the king, it's of the Jedi!"

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Bu there is one thing that bugs me. I always hated the idea that the Alliance is supposed to be a stand in for the Federation and that no one can see TREK again after FIREFLY because they now see the Enterprise as a conqueror of planets and a fascist regime. May I remind you that the opening narration of the original series clearly states that their mission is "to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life forms and new civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before." Nowhere does it say "and conform them to our way of life." And the Prime Directive, even though it's been bent and broken a few times along the way, is there to insure that the Federation doesn't interfere with the development of new worlds and people.

If the Alliance is like any group of people in the TREK verse, it's the Borg. Remember? "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." The Alliance hides that and puts it nicely, but the message is the same. If you want to compare the Alliance to anything in the TREK verse, it's that.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:53 PM

GREENFAERIE

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:54 PM

GREENFAERIE

Trekky? TREKKY? It's Trekkie, dammit! But I'm a Browncoat now, so, F**K that Trekkie.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:00 PM

PENGUIN

They're just jealous of a REAL spaceship...

...and a cute mechanic...

...and a beautiful companion...

...and a handsome captain (with hair!)...

...and a warrior woman...

...and a sensitive pilot...

...and a brave merc...

...and a young dashing doctor...

...and a man of God...

...and a cute, troubled ragamuffin!

Clowns to the left of me…

...Jokers to the right...

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:15 PM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by reginaroadie:

If the Alliance is like any group of people in the TREK verse, it's the Borg. Remember? "We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." The Alliance hides that and puts it nicely, but the message is the same. If you want to compare the Alliance to anything in the TREK verse, it's that.

Oh no, the Alliance believes themselves to be enlightened, bringing health and order to everyone...
remember that they let our heroes go in the pilot episode because they thought their priority was to help the vessle that was in distress....
The Allance is not evil, that is what is so insidious, they want to do good...
for everyone

like missionaries relieving heathens of their pagan beliefs and bringing them to the 'truth' of their religion.
Like anyone who knows how other people should live.

Now, don't get me wrong:
I love Trek, all of them (I've been rewatching a lot of Deep Space 9 and Voyager lately), but they do live in VERY clean enviornments, filled with people who all dress alike and talk alike and think alike....
So as much as I love the Trek world?
I think I agree more w/Joss' view of people who want to be non-conformist, who wish to live on the edge of society instead of being like everyone else.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:38 PM

BROCKSAMSON

Hardcore Trekers are nutters at the best of times.

But we gotta teach her a lesson for scowling at you twice. So I say we all get together at Monksdads house. Once there we all then start cutting on our own faces, slice of our lips and ears etc, stick bits of wire and metal through whats left of our faces-I mean we just go plain crazy you know whatever works. Then we make our way through Monksdads neighbours houses shrieking like banshees! raping and killing as we go

and then we take their cars, and we smash them up good on the outside, tear off bits of the body wherever we can that doesnt cause a hull breach or something and we bathe the cars in their blood.

Then we can make our way over to the vets office brandishing our make shift swords and make the nurse tell us where the Trekker lives, after which we eat her and anyone else present and all the cats but not the dogs-who doesnt love dogs. Then we make our way to the Trekkers house eating, raping and killing everyone along the way

(not kids though we not pyschos after all) And once we get to the Trekers house, thats when we really go Mental!! Completely and utter monkeysh*t

.............I say we pee all over her house, like everywhere her carpets, her curtains all over her clothes-she'll never be rid of the smell.......and ahh.. and then after that we pee on her...ya ..and .ah.. and we finish her off by giving her a stern telling off, there may even be swearing

Then its back to Monksdad for tea(coffee if you prefer) , beer and nibbles-assuming of course we arent full after eating all those people.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 3:41 PM

BROCKSAMSON

Of course if no one else wants to do that..eh.. I was joking........

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:51 PM

VALERIEBEAN

Theory 1: Browncoat envy...

Theory 2: Her husband is the trekkie and also a Browncoat and she's had more sci-fi than she can take

Theory 3: She lost the Firefly box set in the divorce.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:38 PM

CALHOUN

There are psycho nut jobs everywhere in this world..has nothing to do with what TV shows they like. Surely you have encountered a nutter before? I see dozens of them on the road every day:)

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:01 PM

CMOTD

Star Trek features a sterilized, americanized universe, in which everyone wears a uniform.

It has no flaws, and while the federation claims to endorse cultural diversity, it really isn't very multicultural. Trek is a metaphor for globilization, pure and simple, and while shows like BAB 5 AND BSG use this basic formula, they are better, simply by virtue of having more grime and more conflict between their characters.

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:49 PM

MAGHAFFAR

Quote:
Originally posted by cmotd:
Star Trek features a sterilized, americanized universe, in which everyone wears a uniform. It has no flaws, and while the federation claims to endorse cultural diversity, it really isn't very multicultural. Trek is a metaphor for globilization, pure and simple ....

Speaking as a longtime fan of the original 1960s Star Trek, I have to politely but fervently disagree with this assessment. One should view the original Trek in light of the social dynamics at work in the '60s and remember here was a show where the premise was that all races and even alien species could coexist in peace and reasonable equality with one another. I feel it is highly unfair to even compare Trek to Firefly, except in several respects: both shows were WAY ahead of their time in both subject matter and socio-political ideas. Both shows generated fanatical followings that kept their shows in the public consciousness and eventually yielded movies, albeit Trek's took 10 years.

Trek presented a hopeful future to an America embroiled in a war overseas [hmmm, sound familiar?] and beset with serious racial tensions and a cold war with the Russians that threatened WWIII at any moment.

Many of the episodes in the original Trek addressed very substantive issues at a time where Sci-Fi on the tube in the '60s was epitomized by shows like "Lost in Space." Trek had the first interracial kiss on TV -- many stations in the South refused to show the episode where Kirk kisses Uhuru. The cast of characters was certainly multi-cultural and multi-racial in a TV universe that was lily white on every channel.

The original Trek viewed in the perspective of its times is nothing to be ashamed of, and the irony is, Joss would have had nothing to poke fun at if Gene Roddenberry hadn't gotten his "Wagon Train to the Stars" on TV.

As Browncoats we just might suffer the same barbs in 40 years when some future Sci-Fi show is thumbing its nose at Firefly and remarking what a lame-ass show THAT was. If so, and if I'm still able to rouse myself into my walker, I'll be right up there in their faces with a toothless "Gorram Hwoon dahn liu mangs don't know go-seh about what good Sci-Fo was!"

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Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:56 PM

MAGHAFFAR

Quote:
Originally posted by valeriebean:

Theory 3: She lost the Firefly box set in the divorce.

BWAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA! OMG this just made my day! Xie-xie, VB... You should be a psychiatrist!

Reminds me of my favorite divorce joke:

What do tornadoes and divorces in Tennesee have in common? ...

Someone's gonna lose a trailer.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 2:43 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I wouldn't worry about it Monksdad, sounds to me like you just ran into a crazy person. Her being a ST fan was just a coincidence. That or she is just jealous because our captain can kick her captain's @$$!

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Friday, January 12, 2007 3:07 AM

JOSSISAGOD

I think the Vet nurse was right, the woman was a TOTAL bitch. Most Trekkies I've met have been really nice about it and respectful, as I have to them.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 3:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Could be a personal thing with her that she's allowing to foul up her dealing w/ other Browncoats. Mabye she's holding a grudge because our BDM didn't take a decade or more to make post cancellation of the show. *shrugs*

btw... a puppy named River! Too gorram cute.

Could be the lady was jealous that there's no Trek equivolent name for a puppy that could be anywhere near as cute. Mabye 'Chekov' for Siberian Husky, but that's about it. Hee hee.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 3:18 AM

MAVOURNEEN

Perhaps she's just upset because her Master (Gene Roddenberry) has passed on and ours hasn't.

She CAN'T EVER get more "real" ST. Even the ideas for shows he left behind paled in comparison to the stuff he directly influenced.
She is forever "stuck" in the ST that was.

Browncoats, on the other hand, are getting comics, books, and perhaps a Serenity sequel. We have a future. Her? Not so much.

And the joke about the Tennessee trailer? Great stuff!

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Friday, January 12, 2007 6:52 AM

IWEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Mavourneen:
Perhaps she's just upset because her Master (Gene Roddenberry) has passed on and ours hasn't.

She CAN'T EVER get more "real" ST. Even the ideas for shows he left behind paled in comparison to the stuff he directly influenced.
She is forever "stuck" in the ST that was.

Browncoats, on the other hand, are getting comics, books, and perhaps a Serenity sequel. We have a future. Her? Not so much.

Gee, the way you put it I almost feel sorry for Trek fans...almost...but not quite.

To me it is far more important to see how the crew of Serenity is gonna pull off another caper in order to put fuel in the ship, food on the table, and coinage in their pockets, than it is for me to see Enterprise and crew save the ENTIRE universe (again) from some rift in space with a recalibrated quantum-flux capacitor in a flying Delorean.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 6:59 AM

CYBERSNARK

Quote:
Originally posted by cmotd:
Star Trek features a sterilized, americanized universe, in which everyone wears a uniform.

It has no flaws, and while the federation claims to endorse cultural diversity, it really isn't very multicultural.

THis is the crux of the divide between TV-Trek and novel-Trek.

The TV shows are unabashedly American: If you look deep enough, everybody secretly wants to look, act, and think like Us. All the problems that other races might have stem from the fact that they're not like Us. All the problems can be solved if everybody agrees to act and think like Us.

This is why we get Vulcans exploring emotion, Ferengi attending Starfleet Academy, and Klingons learning to play nice. As multicultural as the Federation is said to be, we can never see it on screen --the franchise is deliberately hobbled by Roddenberry's series bible (all stories must be human-centric, nobody's gonna care about aliens), that no one dares defy.

It's the novels that show the "real" Trekverse: what happens when the humans aren't around to hog the spotlight, what about the people who aren't in Starfleet, what about all the behind-the-scenes machinations that the Federation goes through to keep peace. . .

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Friday, January 12, 2007 7:10 AM

SHAMELESS

Quote:
Originally posted by brockSAMSON:
Hardcore Trekers are nutters at the best of times.

But we gotta teach her a lesson for scowling at you twice. So I say we all get together at Monksdads house... etc.

I like how we're going to eat everybody EXCEPT that bitch.

Quote:
Originally posted by MAGhaffar:
As Browncoats we just might suffer the same barbs in 40 years when some future Sci-Fi show is thumbing its nose at Firefly and remarking what a lame-ass show THAT was. If so, and if I'm still able to rouse myself into my walker, I'll be right up there in their faces with a toothless "Gorram Hwoon dahn liu mangs don't know go-seh about what good Sci-Fo was!"

Now THAT made me laugh - the image of some old coot yellin' about the good ol' days when Firefly was still around and kids weren't so gorram uppity...

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Friday, January 12, 2007 8:20 AM

REGINAROADIE

MAGhaffer, I completely agree with every single thing you've said.

I always saw the whole TREK bashing as a sign of a shift in our sociology in that we've somehow become cynical at the idea of peace. TREK has and will awlays be about finding tolerance and equal understanding amongst different groups of people. And yet, people lately seem to reject this idea. They want their FIREFLY's and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA's where it's all doom and gloom and two superpowers ready to blow each other out of the sky. Narratively, it makes sense. Conflict=story and entertainment.

But it's clear the Joss and Ron D. Moore have never heard John Lennon say "Give peace a chance."

I dunno. Maybe in 40 years, some sci-fi writer working in TV (or whatever mass entertainment medium) will say to himself "You know what? I'm sick and tired of angsty space captains fighting totalitarian regimes and robots trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe and being all grim and dour. Why can't we make a FUN sci-fi show?" and create something that'll set the sci-fi community on fire because it's totally different from any other sci-fi show on the air.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 9:15 AM

CYBERSNARK

Quote:
Originally posted by reginaroadie:
I dunno. Maybe in 40 years, some sci-fi writer working in TV (or whatever mass entertainment medium) will say to himself "You know what? I'm sick and tired of angsty space captains fighting totalitarian regimes and robots trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe and being all grim and dour. Why can't we make a FUN sci-fi show?" and create something that'll set the sci-fi community on fire because it's totally different from any other sci-fi show on the air.

Hopefully not 40 years. I hope to be an established name in SF TV before quite that long.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 12:34 PM

SPACEMANSPIFF76

i watched star trek all thru high school and have in the past counted myself as a trekkie. hell i used could tell ya how to re-align the antimatter injector ports. but i think after 5 series and 10 movies, its time for paramount to drop the whole thing. i can say as a trekkie, that was odd. definitley isolated.

were there monkeys? terrible space monkeys perhaps?

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Friday, January 12, 2007 12:51 PM

CMOTD

MAGHAFFAR, I agree that the original Startrek was groundbreaking, but at the end of the day, the show was still all about Americans. Sulu and Uhura may not have been White, but culturally they weren't that different from Kirk or Mcoy.
All of the Trek incarnations are alike. An alien may appear as a regular cast member, but only in a secondary role. a human character can be black or brown but always has to be an American, and, with the notable exception of Ben Sisko, always has to play second fiddle to a white person.

edited for clarity.

Takes more than combat gear to make a man
Takes more than a license for a gun
Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can
A gentleman will walk but never run

-Sting, An Englishman in New York

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Friday, January 12, 2007 1:30 PM

CMOTD

Quote:
Do Trekkys hate Browncoats as a rule or was this an isolated incident.....

I can see why some people might loathe Firefly, especially at this point in American history. Mal, or at least the version of him that was presented in the pilot, is the kind of guy that George Bush Jr. has wet dreams about. Mal is a war veteran who perfers to use his gun rather then his head, and is incredibly libertarian to boot.
That woman could be a staunch democrat. She might see firefly as a piece of Republican propaganda.

Takes more than combat gear to make a man
Takes more than a license for a gun
Confront your enemies, avoid them when you can
A gentleman will walk but never run

-Sting, An Englishman in New York

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Friday, January 12, 2007 2:26 PM

STINKINGROSE

isolated wierdo.

My mother raised me right: original series to warp me suitably. (Reruns, but racial tension was pretty high back in the 70's. Still is come to think on it..)

If you can learn to want to hug a pointy eared green guy with a stick up his pi gu, then the human next door shouldn't be too hard, right?

Guess it depends on your neighbors...

ST= idealized goal of lack of human suffering to strive for. (if aliens ever decide to make contact I'll drop the "human", OK? now lay off.)
FF= human nature plopped down 500 or so years into the future.

I likes 'em both.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 4:46 PM

DEEPGIRL187

Quote:
Originally posted by cmotd:
I can see why some people might loathe Firefly, especially at this point in American history. Mal, or at least the version of him that was presented in the pilot, is the kind of guy that George Bush Jr. has wet dreams about. Mal is a war veteran who perfers to use his gun rather then his head, and is incredibly libertarian to boot.
That woman could be a staunch democrat. She might see firefly as a piece of Republican propaganda.

I can see your point, Mal is the type of guy to solve his problems with a gun, but I really don't see Firefly as "Republican propaganda" either. I don't think Mal would be too terribly inclined to align himself with any political party, especially since it was politics that screwed over him and his battalion in Serenity Valley. Politics these days is all about "which side are you on", and Mal is the type of guy that always follows his own path.

Politics aside, I have to agree with everyone and say that this was probably an isolated incident. We sci-fi fans aren't as fanatical as everyone likes to think we are (well, most of the time anyway

).

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Friday, January 12, 2007 5:20 PM

WRATCHIT

Should have made the dog pee on her nacell, err, tires.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 5:26 PM

EMPIREX

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
The X-files fans were mixed, I think some were worried he would 'ruin' the X-files (and Joss did shake things up a lot!) but compared to the last movie, I think most of those fans feel that Joss has been good for the franchise.

Whoa! Long time X-philey here. Did Joss write for the X-Files??? When the heck did that happen and why didn't I know about it? How did I not know this?

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Friday, January 12, 2007 6:12 PM

ROCKETJOCK

Gotta swing with the "Isolated Weirdo" theory, or possibly the "Just having a bad day" camp. Maybe some combination of the two.

And just for the record, I'm both a first-generation Trekkie ("Trekker" was always too PC for me) and a died-in-the-wool Browncoat, and proud to be both. If Firefly is the Anti-Trek, it's in response to what the later series degenerated into, not what it was created to be. Watch the original series sometime. Any universe that has Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones in it is one in which Mal & Company could thrive.

(Heh. Just noticed; the spellcheck on the response page recognizes both "Trekkie" and "Trekker" as real words, but underlined "Browncoat" for spelling. On a Firefly website. Ain't that a larf?)

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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Friday, January 12, 2007 6:30 PM

EMBERS

Oh my bad, empireX...I meant X-men!
Joss has been writing the Astonishing X-men comic books and a lot of X-men fans had been worried...
but I think he has won them all over now.

I was writing with only 1/2 a brain, hense the X files problem
sorry!

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Friday, January 12, 2007 6:45 PM

EMPIREX

LOL
That's OK. I stopped watching X-Files after season 8 (no David Duchovny and very little Gillian Anderson) so I thought maybe Joss had slipped in while I wasn't watching and wrote an episode or directed one. That just comepletely called into question my status as a philey. I may have to turn in my badge.

Cheers!

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Friday, January 12, 2007 7:27 PM

EMBERS

your badge is safe...
most people stopped watching after Mulder disappeared.

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Friday, January 12, 2007 10:32 PM

ARTISOXYGEN

whoops...newby here..

'God grant me the Serenity....Pts 2, 3, 4.......'

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Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 PM

ARTISOXYGEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Penguin:
They're just jealous of a REAL spaceship...

...and a cute mechanic...

...and a beautiful companion...

...and a handsome captain (with hair!)...

...and a warrior woman...

...and a sensitive pilot...

...and a brave merc...

...and a young dashing doctor...

...and a man of God...

...and a cute, troubled ragamuffin!

Clowns to the left of me… ...Jokers to the right...

lol perfect!

'God grant me the Serenity....Pts 2, 3, 4....'

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Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:50 AM

MAZAEN

In that lady's strange world where people are mean to people because they watch other shows, I'll have to be careful of all those lost fans. Those lost fans might see my Serenity sticker I wished I had and steal my vitamin C and make me press buttons.

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Saturday, January 13, 2007 5:59 AM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by cmotd:
That woman could be a staunch democrat. She might see firefly as a piece of Republican propaganda.

I'm a Democrat(male though), and based on what I saw in Firefly, I saw Mal as a Republican that was, the majority of Republicans in power today, are more like business men than politicians. But, I'm getting into things better suited for the RWED threads.

Also, I find it odd that Joss as a staunch Democrat himself would purposefully write a story about Republican propaganda.

Fe'nos Tol
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