Things you DIDN'T notice the 1st time you watched FF by GunRunner

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Originally posted by Aerrin:

Which means that Simon has a record of River's brain activity when she's precoging - it's right there at the end of that disk. He just has to find it.

Curse Fox for never letting us get there!

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Actually, I believe he does notice the odd brain pattern, at the beginning of War Stories. He just doesn't have a clue what it means, or what sets her off. She keys in on strong emotion for sure.

Jen dao mei.

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Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:20 PM

DRAGONWINE

In TTJ and BW you see the Alliance flag on crates they took. The flag is blue on one half with red and white stripes on the other (thirteen in fact), in the center is a red rectangle with two large yellow stars on one side and four smaller ones on the other side. This is obviously a combination of American and Chinese flags, although todays Chinese flag has only one large yellow star with the four smaller ones. I guess the Alliance flag could represent a binary system with four core planets, or not. Guess I'll just have to corner Joss and torture the info from him.

It's a nothing part til you don't got one, then you have to go to ebay.....aaaaagh!

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Monday, March 22, 2004 4:26 PM

I missed the fact that during the war scenes, Mal is not wearing his brown leather coat, just the lighter tan fabric one like all the other soldiers. Maybe he really DID get it on sale.

Jen dao mei.

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Monday, March 22, 2004 6:49 PM

I missed the indian in the wheelchair and the actual dogs in the cages in Serenity.

I missed the hookas in Inara's shuttle.

I saw the hookas in HoG, but missed the pot plants.

Brings a little more light to Joss' joke about being too stoned in the Serenity comentary.

I missed the patch/sewing to Mal's coat in TTJ where he was shot in Serenity.

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Monday, March 22, 2004 6:49 PM

FIREFLYTHEMOVIE

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Originally posted by dragonwine:
Guess I'll just have to corner Joss and torture the info from him.

Hee! A couple years ago, some friends and I went to GenCon specifically to meet James Marsters. Planes were delayed, so he ended up showing up really late, so we had some serious time to kill after I won (!) the raffle to have dinner with him. (Ok, one of 6 winners. And I didn't buy $400 worth of tickets like that one woman...)

Anyway, one of my friends starts talking, as he's in the habit of doing. "Y'know, it's too bad Joss isn't here, instead of, or in addition to JM. Then we could grab him, tie him up, toss him in the trunk, take him home, and make him tell us stories for an hour a week. Wait...what would be the point to that?"

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Monday, March 22, 2004 8:31 PM

SOUNDHACK

It took me two viewings of the series in the DVD order to realize that Kaylee mentioned to Mal on two occasions (in 2 separate episodes I think) that they need a new thingamajig (compression catalyzer? something like that)--the very thing that broke in Out of Gas. I thought it was very cool, provides a bit of continuity/foreshadowing.

The other thing that I couldnt make out until I listened to the commentary was in OiS, when River says 'Don't make faces' to Mal. That adds an added doubt to the viewer that maybe River indeed was part of the ship, who could see what Mal was doing. (How did she do that though?)

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:29 AM

TIMBOBB

This may seem simple, but it took me like 3 times to notice this.
Mal says many times he does not want God on the ship, etc. In the beginning of the first episode, he kisses a cross that is around his neck, as if he knows god is on his side, just before they are left on the planet and basically lose the war.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:00 AM

That the voice that really wakes River up in the very beginning of Objects in Space is Jubal Early's.

Jen dao mei.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:19 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Originally posted by dragonwine:
In TTJ and BW you see the Alliance flag on crates they took. The flag is blue on one half with red and white stripes on the other (thirteen in fact), in the center is a red rectangle with two large yellow stars on one side and four smaller ones on the other side. This is obviously a combination of American and Chinese flags, although todays Chinese flag has only one large yellow star with the four smaller ones. I guess the Alliance flag could represent a binary system with four core planets, or not. Guess I'll just have to corner Joss and torture the info from him.

It's a nothing part til you don't got one, then you have to go to ebay.....aaaaagh!

If you check out this link:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=943

you will see Kozure's attempt to recreate the Alliance flag. Looks dead on to me, and your interpretation of the yellow stars is as good as any.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:16 AM

JAHZARA

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Originally posted by LindyCat:
I missed the indian in the wheelchair and the actual dogs in the cages in Serenity.

I missed the hookas in Inara's shuttle.

I saw the hookas in HoG, but missed the pot plants.

Brings a little more light to Joss' joke about being too stoned in the Serenity comentary.

I missed the patch/sewing to Mal's coat in TTJ where he was shot in Serenity.

What? There are marijuana plants in Inara's shuttle?!
Or are you just talking about potted plants?

I haven't watched all of the commentaries, is that where it's mentioned?

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:24 PM

OK,

Joss makes the stoned joke at the very beginning of the Serenity comentary.

The plants are in the HoG house there is one potted plant in the gun fight scene and there is another few (I think) outside. I know there is one in the house near a window for sure. Now I don't think these are really pot plants, but they are sure designed to look close enough.

Lindycat

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:45 PM

Ok, I'm confused...

Maybe one of y'all can help me out. In "The Message" script, there's a reference to a package that Inara palms and hides away. One of the threads on this board says that it's actually in the episode when Kaylee and Inara come up to the post kiosk, but I've slo-mo'd through that sequence ten times and I don't see it.

I need a road map ... or did they cut it out?

Jen dao mei.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:56 PM

TRILLY

Two things i missed was:

1. in the message book and mal are talking about the plan for book to talk to walmack and not give up tracey when he walks in.

2. I didnt realize that in the message when jayne gets his package he does waht he does to almost everything he gets in the series: he touches, shakes then smells the box

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:14 PM

THEFOP

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Originally posted by timbobb:
This may seem simple, but it took me like 3 times to notice this.
Mal says many times he does not want God on the ship, etc. In the beginning of the first episode, he kisses a cross that is around his neck, as if he knows god is on his side, just before they are left on the planet and basically lose the war.

took me a couple of viewings to catch that myself. When I finally did it was like "HOLY SHIT", because all of a sudden everything made sense.

once the snow got so deep you almost couldn't hear margaret atwood

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:16 PM

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Originally posted by kalimeeri:
Ok, I'm confused...

Maybe one of y'all can help me out. In "The Message" script, there's a reference to a package that Inara palms and hides away. One of the threads on this board says that it's actually in the episode when Kaylee and Inara come up to the post kiosk, but I've slo-mo'd through that sequence ten times and I don't see it.

I need a road map ... or did they cut it out?

Jen dao mei.

I think they cut it (or never shot it) but it WAS in the original script.

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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:21 PM

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Originally posted by Trilly:
Two things i missed was:

1. in the message book and mal are talking about the plan for book to talk to walmack and not give up tracey when he walks in.

That was definitely made clear in the script, but in the aired/DVD episode, they made it far more ambiguous what their plan was (for dramatic purposes, I imagine)

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Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:00 AM

Thanks, Shiny! That was bugging me no end.

In regards to the conversation with Tracey, it was clear in the script that they at least tried to tell him their plan, and he wouldn't let them finish. Not so much in the episode, unless you listen hard to fill in the blanks of what ISN't said.

Another part I didn't feel was clear was that in the script Simon actually did try to help Tracey when he was dying, but there wasn't anything he could do. In the scene as filmed, he pretty much only hands him a hanky.

I guess they needed to shave time so they could expand the ending, but... Oh well, I do agree with changing that, it turned out to be one of the most beautiful scenes in the whole series.

Jen dao mei.

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Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:06 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Just finished with my seventh viewings of all the DVDs. I've read all of this thread and don't think anyone has mentioned this yet.

You know how in the commentary for "Serenity" that Joss says the out-of-focus shot of Inara and her client was representative of the orgasm?

Okay, flash forward to the last episode, "Objects in Space." While River is walking through the ship and reading the thoughts on everyone's mind, she sees Wash and Zoe cuddling on the bridge. It is obvious she is feeling the emotions that they are feeling...and there is another out-of-focus shot just before she walks away in that scene.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Friday, March 26, 2004 2:15 AM

Remember the kid whose eyes are stuck in Jaynestown? I've been rewatching Serenity and thinking that's the same kid in the scene with Book walking, where the Brutus guy is trying to get him to come on board. It's hard to tell, because the kid really makes an effort to keep his face away from the camera. Just something about him.

Jen dao mei.

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Friday, March 26, 2004 9:28 AM

MERAT

That in "Heart of Gold", Jayne is fixing the blond prostitute's hair.

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Friday, March 26, 2004 12:27 PM

MERAT

That Wash's dinosaurs from "Serenity" are frequently found on his console.

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Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:03 PM

LJOSALF

In Serenity, Simon wears a pair of blue latex gloves in the surgery scene when he is working on Kaylee. They are common, everyday medical gloves in the Firefly 'verse. Adds to River's aversion to the Infirmary.

Ljosalf

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Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:03 PM

RANGER

Watched Serenity for the 5th or 6th time the other day and I just noticed what they did to Simon's eyebrows to make him look 'sinister' during the first half of the pilot. Up through working on Kaylee they are pointed in the middle. After that they flatten out to normal, and it really takes the 'evil' edge off of his appearance.

Traveller, if you go to Sparta, tell them you have seen us lying here as the Law commands.

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Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:09 PM

LINDLEY

I just noticed something new with my latest viewing of "Ariel".

During the "Brainscan" scene, watch the 3D brain image carefully. In the last few seconds before it dissolves------just as Jayne starts lying about "meeting out the back in five"------green and red colors start erupting in parts of River's brain......

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Saturday, March 27, 2004 7:14 PM

TMURRIE

I didn't notice the fact that they spoke Chinese, I just thought only they knew a few Chinese phrases. Plus, in Trash, when Mal sits down beside Saffron to comfort her as she's crying, it took me a couple times to figure out that before he even sat down she had his gun. But really, none of entire series made sense, since it was aired just weird. But now it all sets into place.

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Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:45 PM

SPOOKYDONKEY

In Our Mrs. Reynolds, when Mal is telling Jane what to shoot for on the "net", Jayne mentions something about a window, and Mal says something along the lines of "No, that might kill some folk" and to aim at one of six breakers to just short out the system. When Jayne fires Vera, the first shot does indeed take out the breaker, but after pausing for a beat, Jayne fires subsequent rounds that slam into the window he was just told not to shoot, exposing the shipjackers to the void and sucking them into the black.

I didn't realize on my first couple of viewings that Jayne purposefully disobeyed Mal's order to get in some quality vengence time.

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Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:59 PM

OKKAY

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Originally posted by SpookyDonkey:
In Our Mrs. Reynolds, when Mal is telling Jane what to shoot for on the "net", Jayne mentions something about a window, and Mal says something along the lines of "No, that might kill some folk" and to aim at one of six breakers to just short out the system. When Jayne fires Vera, the first shot does indeed take out the breaker, but after pausing for a beat, Jayne fires subsequent rounds that slam into the window he was just told not to shoot, exposing the shipjackers to the void and sucking them into the black.

I didn't realize on my first couple of viewings that Jayne purposefully disobeyed Mal's order to get in some quality vengence time.

I didn't see it that way. The way I understood it, all Mal was saying was that if they shot the window, it wouldn't do anything except kill those two guys, but the Serenity crew would still be dead because the net would still be active. Mal wasn't saying "don't kill them" because he didn't want to kill anyone, he was saying go for the net instead because that's the only way they're going to live through this. After Jayne took care of the net, then he was free to go for the window.

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Monday, March 29, 2004 5:44 PM

ANKHAGOGO

I found the Han-Solo-in-carbonite, thanks to you guys! Stuff like that is why I purposely try to see what's lyin' around in the background.

Something I noticed with part of my brain the first time, but only just recently realized what it meant:
In Heart of Gold, when Jayne's refusing to go help, he's got on one of his t-shirts.
When they're walking up to the whorehouse, he's got on a striped button up shirt.

He dressed up for the whores! That's so sweet, in an extremely Jayne way....

"So...would his job be available?"

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:19 AM

CYBERSNARK

Something I just noticed last night when rewatching Objects in Space.

Whatever Early is, he's no River (i.e., the BlueHands haven't made him telepathic or anything).

When Early locks the crew in their quarters, Kaylee's lock doesn't engage (or if it did, I didn't see the red light come on). that's probably how he knew her name when he found her in the engine room; he probably woulda' checked that room. When he finds the young girl (not River [the warrant would've included a picture], and definitely no Companion) puttering around the engines, he puts two and two together and calls her "Kaylee."

Only a minor thing, but that always bugged me as to how he knew her name.

The "knowing Book isn't a Shepherd" thing is still problematical though. Maybe there was some subtle physical quirk that Early picked up on.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:16 AM

BLAZINGBUG

Well, it's probably been pointed out somewhere else, but I literally just noticed that the opening credits run through the colors of the spectrum.

It's a combination of special effects (in the logo), lighting, and filters, but if you look at it in sequence, it goes from red to orange to yellow to green to blue to purple. Only at the end when you see the ship flying over the horses does it switch to all colors.

Symbolic of the crew and ship combined make a whole? You decide.

Quote pending.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:38 AM

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Originally posted by Ankhagogo:
Something I noticed with part of my brain the first time, but only just recently realized what it meant:
In Heart of Gold, when Jayne's refusing to go help, he's got on one of his t-shirts.
When they're walking up to the whorehouse, he's got on a striped button up shirt.

Great catch, Ank -- I agree, it's totally in character for Jayne!

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:42 PM

The "knowing Book isn't a Shepherd" thing is still problematical though. Maybe there was some subtle physical quirk that Early picked up on.

I think Early knew book was not a shepard because Book is actually a retired bounty hunter.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:57 PM

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Originally posted by LindyCat:
The "knowing Book isn't a Shepherd" thing is still problematical though. Maybe there was some subtle physical quirk that Early picked up on.

I think Early knew book was not a shepard because Book is actually a retired bounty hunter.

Except that Joss explains why in the commentary to Objects in Space -- something along the lines of "it's not anything he read in a file or anything like that, it was just from watching him, and knowing he was a man of action that needed to be taken out quickly"

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:31 PM

TEELABROWN

First Time watching- I thought I heard Mal say Whitefall.
Second Time watching- I notice Mal actually said Whitehall.
Or some such thing.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:11 PM

ANKHAGOGO

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Originally posted by TeelaBrown:
First Time watching- I thought I heard Mal say Whitefall.
Second Time watching- I notice Mal actually said Whitehall.
Or some such thing.

Another interesting verbal thing I noticed is that Mal and most of the crew say "Beaumont", like the town in Texas, and I only just recently found out it's actually Beaumonde.

There's a bunch of interesting verbal things I've noticed, though,cause I'm kind of a geek that way. Like --we all know how proper Simon is in his speech, but have you noticed that Wash rarely drops his "g"s? Several times I've heard things like him saying "rutting" instead of "ruttin'"
Kinda makes me curious as to his background..

"So...would his job be available?"

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:55 PM

>Except that Joss explains why in the commentary to Objects in Space -- something along the lines of "it's not anything he read in a file or anything like that, it was just from watching him, and knowing he was a man of action that needed to be taken out quickly"

I'll have to listen to that again, I never noticed the "it was just from watching him" part, the knowing he was a man of action does not perclude Book being a bounty hunter. I'll listen again this weekend. Thanks for the heads up.

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:19 PM

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Originally posted by TeelaBrown:
First Time watching- I thought I heard Mal say Whitefall.
Second Time watching- I notice Mal actually said Whitehall.
Or some such thing.

Hmm...but didn't it say "Whitefall" on the screen when they first land?

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Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by Ankhagogo:
Like --we all know how proper Simon is in his speech, but have you noticed that Wash rarely drops his "g"s? Several times I've heard things like him saying "rutting" instead of "ruttin'"
Kinda makes me curious as to his background..

Yes, Simon/Sean is very proper and enunciates everything very clearly. Joss even makes fun of him in the commentary to Serenity, about how in the editing room they laughed at how he has such a clear, crisp "P" sound when he says "ship" (actually, I've noticed the pronouced 'p' sound from Sean in many other instances, too)

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Thursday, April 1, 2004 9:32 AM

MADMAX

Hey kinda new here. The stuff I saw was in Heart of Gold. 1 The gun Wash uses to shop at the bad guys in the hold is a revolver but the sound effects are for a semi auto. 2 He never pulls the trigger cuz the chamber never spins. Also on the opening credits whe Mal and Zoe are in the shoot out form the pilot. Zoe uses her hand to cock her gun but misses and has to try again. (That last on is on all of the eps)

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 1:38 PM

HARDWARE

Okay, here's some stuff I noticed.

First, on the cover of the DVD disk 3 Jayne is holding Mal's gun.

Second, in the scene in the Message when Kaylee is listening to Tracey's tape in the engine room, there is an airplane throttle quadrant right next to where her hammock is hanging. This is just a piece of set design, but it is always neat to recognize something on the sets.

Third, in the Message when Simon has Tracey hooked up to a heart monitor it is slowly going beep,... beep,... beep but when Tracey sees Kaylee it quickens up to a beep, beep, beep. Simon seems to notice this and looks anoyed.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

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Sunday, April 4, 2004 5:23 PM

SAFFY

First time I watched "Jaynestown" I somehow missed that the townspeople were called "mudders," so I thought in the song it was just cowboy slang for "mothers."

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Monday, April 5, 2004 10:10 AM

CORWYN

Here's one thing I noticed last night.

In OoG, in the dinner scene. Jayne has a rubber gum probe in his hand. A weird combination of caring about his dental hygiene and doing it at the table where others are still eating.

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Monday, April 5, 2004 2:16 PM

ZORIAH

I didn't notice the first time around that despite Jayne equipping Vera in War Stories and running around with it in the gun battle, he NEVER fires it. In fact I don't think he ever used it. Most likely the gun was just a stage prop and not particularly functional.

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Monday, April 5, 2004 2:32 PM