BDM Novelization by Talvin

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BDM Novelization

POSTED BY: TALVIN
UPDATED: Friday, May 14, 2004 10:14
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Sunday, May 9, 2004 4:24 PM

Hollywood being what it is today, since there will be a Movie, there will be a Novelization.

It just stands to re...

Wait. No. NOT going there.

Anyhow. Let's accept it as inevitable. Assuming that Joss is not allowed to write his own book, who would we want to write the novelization of the BDM?

I'm still pondering possibilities myself, so I am going to wait and think some more before I weigh in with my BDO (Big Damn Opinion).

"I give up. I admit it. I'm a Browncoat."

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 4:31 PM

BARCLAY

Peter David. David is an excellent writer (his work with Star Trek is amazing), and he has previous novelization experience (Spider Man). His style of writing, humor, and flow of a book are very similar to Joss's regarding a TV show (or movie?)

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 4:41 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Either Roger MacBride Allen or John Barnes would be my choice.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 4:44 PM

ARCBEATLE

Michel A. Stackpole.
Hands down the best author ive ever read.

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 5:13 PM

GUNHAND

Stackpole would be good.

The problem with most novelizations is that they just seem like a script or whatever action happened on the screen put down into prose.

So I'm hoping they can find a writer who is allowed to go beyond that and make it something worth reading not just something worth having. If that makes much sense.

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 5:52 PM

ARCBEATLE

Exactly, thats what made the star wars 1&2 novelisations so much better then the movies, htey had more detail, better dialogue, and a better explained plot. Plus all sorts of character develpoment and subtle jokes misisng in the mvoies.
like in the Ep.1 novel, where Qui gon says : "We sold your Pod, and managed to get quite a bit more then I reasoned for it. In fact, the Dug who bought it seemed quite willing to pay the price..."

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 6:34 PM

SIGMANUNKI

Douglas Adams

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 6:35 PM

WEERWOLF

I second Peter David. His run on the revived Aquaman comics couple of years back was amazing. Aquaman went downhill fast when David moved on to other projects. If he can't do it, Stackpole is the next best. Loved his X-Wing books.

"Oh my God, it's grotesque! Oh, and there's something in a jar..."

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 8:39 PM

TALVIN

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Douglas Adams

It would have been fun. I was deeply saddened to lose him.

I think Stackpole could do it while remaining true to the canon. Somebody oughta send him a boxed set.

"I give up. I admit it. I'm a Browncoat."

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Sunday, May 9, 2004 8:58 PM

JOHNCLARK

I'd say either Peter David or Orson Scott Card

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Monday, May 10, 2004 2:14 AM

SNIPER

Quote:
Douglas Adams

Um, he died.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 2:46 AM

WERZBOWSKI

I would suggest Tanya Huff... her Valor novels have a very Whedonesque interaction among the characters.

"Wherever you go, there you are."
- Dr. B. Banzai

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Monday, May 10, 2004 3:37 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Peter David would be good. Don't really care much for Stackpole. He gets too wrapped up in overdescribing politics and behind the scenes happenings.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Monday, May 10, 2004 4:15 AM

CYBERSNARK

I also nominate either David or Stackpole.

Just so long as they have access to the early scripts, with all the deleted scenes, and the final script (to avoid any major plot rewrites being in the movie and not in the book.

(Like the X2 novelization, where you-know-who managed to survive.)

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Monday, May 10, 2004 9:29 AM

SIGMANUNKI

Quote:
Originally posted by Sniper:
Quote:
Douglas Adams
Um, he died.

I know. But, the idea that if he did it is funny none-the-less, IMHO. Nothing more than a joke. I don't think it was that tasteless.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 7:17 PM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1

Quote:
Originally posted by Talvin:
Hollywood being what it is today, since there will be a Movie, there will be a Novelization.

It just stands to re...

Wait. No. NOT going there.

Anyhow. Let's accept it as inevitable. Assuming that Joss is not allowed to write his own book, who would we want to write the novelization of the BDM?

I'm still pondering possibilities myself, so I am going to wait and think some more before I weigh in with my BDO (Big Damn Opinion).

"I give up. I admit it. I'm a Browncoat."

its so sad that it is basically gaurenteed to happen...but i sure wish it wasn't

i've never read a book based after a movie that i liked...and even though it is Firefly...i don't think it would be any better than the rest. ...

....

i'll go shut up now...

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Monday, May 10, 2004 10:35 PM

WEERWOLF

Oh, the novelisation of Lord of the Rings wasn't too shabby... Bit long-winded in places.

"Listen, if you got guests, I can come back later."

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:55 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

I will buy a novelization if it comes out, regardless of who writes it. If it is Firefly, I will buy it.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:22 AM

SPACEMONKEY

My vote also go's to Peter David.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:33 AM

DAVEY

Im looking at my bookshelf and there is a BTVS book there by Christopher Golden and Nancy Holden. Now I havent read it honest, so I dont know how good it is or even if it is aimed at adults or kids, but between them they seem to have produced a lot of Buffy and Angel stuff along with Xmen, Star wars, Smallville etc.

Knowing Joss Wheedons loyalty and tendency to use actors and writers on more than one of his projects then it wouldnt surprise me if it was either of these two, or one of the other authors who wrote Buffy or Angel novels.

As for who I'd like to write the novelisation, I quite like Alan Dean Foster and I believe he has actually done "books of the film" before.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:04 AM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave

Quote:
Originally posted by weerwolf:
Oh, the novelisation of Lord of the Rings wasn't too shabby... Bit long-winded in places.

How about the novelization for TPOTC?

Extra kudos to them as can figure out what the heck I'm talking about.

I'll vote for Peter David any day of the week!

We have art so as not to die of truth ~ Neitzsche
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:10 AM

WEERWOLF

Tell, me was it as violent in the book as on the screen? Haven't seen the movie yet though. Only heard lots about it. Seems to be the kind of movie everyone has an opinion on. Same goes for the novelisations. Men go to war over that one! Amazing!

"You don't fix faith. Faith fixes you."

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:55 AM

BEATLE

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
How about the novelization for TPOTC?

So they could make a sequel.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:07 AM

HOWDYROCKERBABY1

Quote:
Originally posted by weerwolf:
Oh, the novelisation of Lord of the Rings wasn't too shabby... Bit long-winded in places.

"Listen, if you got guests, I can come back later."

what i MEANT was i don't like books written AFTER the movie. books written BEFORE the movie are great.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:33 AM

WEERWOLF

Quote:
Originally posted by Beatle:
Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
How about the novelization for TPOTC?

So they could make a sequel.

Which is called "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." Storywise, anyways.

"Always look on the bright side of life."
*whistles*

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:19 AM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave

Quote:
Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
what i MEANT was i don't like books written AFTER the movie. books written BEFORE the movie are great.

Especially when you stop one chapter before the book is finished so you can leave yourself some suspense when watching the movie. I did that with HP and told my friend who was utterly appalled.

SHE: "You have to finish it!"
ME: "No I don't."
SHE: "You have to find out how it ends!"
ME (somewhat fiendisly) "No. I don't."

It's so fun to tease.

We have art so as not to die of truth ~ Neitzsche
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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:43 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Quote:
Originally posted by weerwolf:
Oh, the novelisation of Lord of the Rings wasn't too shabby... Bit long-winded in places.

Wasn't too impressed with the writer adding characters and plots though - what on earth was he thinking with Tom Bombadil?

And he totally wrote Liv Tyler out of the book! Just who does he think he is? Peter Jackson spent 5 years making the movie, he should show some gorram respect!

"I threw up on your bed"

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:47 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Quote:
Originally posted by Channain:
Quote:
Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
what i MEANT was i don't like books written AFTER the movie. books written BEFORE the movie are great.
Especially when you stop one chapter before the book is finished so you can leave yourself some suspense when watching the movie. I did that with HP and told my friend who was utterly appalled.

So you're the one that they alter plots for when adapting books! I think its very kind of producers to think of those who have read the books and "tweak" things just so we get a nice suprise. I'm particularly looking forward to I,Robot - in which it appears they may have retained "I" and "Robot".

(Note - I have heard some good stuff on the film, and will try and ignore the title and judge the film on its own merits)

"I threw up on your bed"

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Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:16 PM

CHANNAIN

i DO aim to misbehave

Quote:
Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
So you're the one that they alter plots for when adapting books! I think its very kind of producers to think of those who have read the books and "tweak" things just so we get a nice suprise. I'm particularly looking forward to I,Robot - in which it appears they may have retained "I" and "Robot".

(Note - I have heard some good stuff on the film, and will try and ignore the title and judge the film on its own merits)

no no no! don't go starting that rumor - next thing I know there will be messages up and down my e-mail about it.

I'm known to stop reading a movie novelization before the last chapter or so to. I was so psyched to see Mummy 2 that I bought the book, then stopped reading when Evie was killed (don't yell spoiler at me - I just said it wasn't the end, didn't I?). For me novelizations are a way to "see" the movie in my mind, provided it's written true to the movie.

On the other hand, anytime a movie is pitched with "Based on the Novel by..." I get nervous. Chances are pretty good my sister has read that Novel, which means I'll get to spend the movie listening to the *mift* and *spift* as she tries to silently object to plot point changes.

I only wish I had gotten around to reading LOTR before the movies came out. Seeing them first, then trying to read it after has proven problematic, but I'm determined to press on!

We have art so as not to die of truth ~ Neitzsche
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Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:17 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I am reading a novel that I am really enjoying, and I think the author would be good for the novelization of the BDM.

The book is The Way of the Wolf, the first novel by E. E. Knight. It is also the first in a series called The Vampire Earth, with the second book The Choice of the Cat being released just last month. Set about 50 years into the future, as alien beings have invaded Earth through a trans-spatial portal, which supposedly had been open before in the past, thus that is where our vampire myths derived from. There are humans who have been subjugated by the aliens, and the way they are described reminded me a lot of the Reavers. BTW, the aliens are sometimes referred to as the Reapers.

The character development is coming along nicely (I'm just about 100 pages into the book so far) and the guy can also write action sequences very well. I know several others who have read the book and they all liked it a lot, and one of them has also read the second book, and he says it is as good as the first. I'm going to look for it this weekend so I hopefully I will have it on hand to read as soon as I finish this one.

In case anyone is interested, here's the author's website: http://www.vampireearth.com/

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:21 PM

GUNHAND

The second Vampire Earth book is out? Glee!

Hear that? That's the sound of me going to the mall...oh hell it's closed. Okay that's the sound of me swearing and setting my alarm clock for tommorrow.

That guy can seriously write.

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"Oh hey, I got an idea. Instead of us hanging
around playing art critic till I get pinched by
the Man, how's about we move away from this
eerie-ass piece of work and get on with our
increasingly eerie-ass day, how's that?"

My eerie-ass website:
http://gunhandsfirefly.homestead.com/Index.html

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Friday, May 14, 2004 5:57 AM

SAMURAIX47

Quote:
Originally posted by JohnClark:
I'd say either Peter David or Orson Scott Card

Peter David, Michael Stackpole... good suggestions I agree with. Even Aaron Allston. But I don't think Joss Whedon would work with Orson Scott Card because of his stand against homosexuality.

How about Alan Dean Foster?

Chris Claremont's X2 novelization is by far the best I've seen lately for movie novelizations. The X-men: A Novelization by Kathryn Rusch, Dean Wesley Smith, et al. really stunk. I don't think there were any paragraphs larger than 3 lines, and no characterization. They did a hack job. On the other hand, Chris Claremont's X2 was full of insite into each character, their thoughts, feelings, etc.

Jaymes

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Friday, May 14, 2004 10:14 AM

JOHNCLARK

Quote:
Originally posted by SamuraiX47:

But I don't think Joss Whedon would work with Orson Scott Card because of his stand against homosexuality.

Jaymes

Oh? - Hadn't heard about that. I can see your point in that case. - I just thought he did well with "The abyss" novelisation

I did enjoy the X2 novelisation and ADF is usually pretty good

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