Genius Directors/Writers of our day by howdyrockerbaby1

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Genius Directors/Writers of our day

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Monday, May 10, 2004 6:48 AM

Other than Joss/Tim/any-other genius BTVS/FF/Angel writers or directors i'm forgetting....who do you think are brilliant/genius Directors and/or Writer's of today?

My vote definately goes in for M.Night Shyamalan (i think thats how its spelled) The Sixth Sense and Signs are just great pieces of work (Unbreakable wasn't too shabby either) and i'm looking forward to his new movie coming out this year.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 6:58 AM

LISSA

I definitely agree with M. Night Shyamalan. I love 6th Sense and Signs (especially signs). I saw Unbreakable at the movie theater when it first came out and found it boring, but i just saw it on tv last week and i thought it was amazing! I think I was just too young the first time. does anyone know what year it came out?

~lissa, spwhore

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Monday, May 10, 2004 7:08 AM

JADEHAND

Well, he never did BTVS/FF/A but one of my current favourites is Bryan Singer. His first fim that I'm aware of was The Usual Suspects. Which comes very close to being my Favourite film. He also did Apt Pupil (which I think was a Stephen King short story) and Followed this up with the 2 X-men movies. Both of which I think were done very well. I don't agree with all the casting choices or some of the changes in the time line from the books, But they were done in a way that long time fans could get something extra from them without completely losing people who had never heard the word mutant before. IMHO.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 7:14 AM

KELLAINA

I agree with M. Night Shyamalan (he was actually the first to pop into my head). Can't wait to see The Village.

I'm going to add Aaron Sorkin (The West Wing, Sports Night, The American President) and Amy Sherman-Palladino (Gilmore Girls).

Their work may be quite different, but I love the way both of them write dialogue. Its the way I wish I could actually speak.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 7:18 AM

HEB

Definitely Aaron Sorkin

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Monday, May 10, 2004 10:19 AM

WEERWOLF

The guys that do/did Stargate SG1. Robert Cooper, Mallozzi and Mullie, Brad Wright especially.

M. Night Shyamalan is really good too, first move I saw was unbreakable and Sixth Sense was better than that and Signs was fantastic. They were all 'gripping' movies, they wouldn't let your attention waver one bit. I like that he puts himself in his movies too.

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Monday, May 10, 2004 11:39 AM

SPIKEANDJEZEBEL

I am also in the M. Night Shyamalan camp, although I feel that "Unbreakable" is by far his best film to date.

J. Michael Straczynski, creator of "Babylon 5", would get my vote too. As would Mark Burnett, creator of "The Apprentice".

(Just kidding about that last one!)

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Monday, May 10, 2004 12:36 PM

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Quote:
Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Other than Joss/Tim/any-other genius BTVS/FF/Angel writers or directors i'm forgetting....who do you think are brilliant/genius Directors and/or Writer's of today?

I'll add my vote to the Sorkin camp, also to the JMS camp. Also Stephen Poliakoff in terms of writers.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:41 AM

GHOULMAN

Charlie Kaufman http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0442109/

I loved Adaptation and can't wait to see Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:50 AM

ARDEN

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Originally posted by Kellaina:
I'm going to add Aaron Sorkin (The West Wing, Sports Night, The American President) and Amy Sherman-Palladino (Gilmore Girls).

Their work may be quite different, but I love the way both of them write dialogue. Its the way I wish I could actually speak.

It's funny that you write this, as I recently had a conversation with a friend who is a big Gilmore Girls fan, and he mentioned that apparently when it first started airing, there were a lot of rumors that Ms. Sherman-Paladino was in fact actually Aaron Sorkin writing under a pseudonym. Apparently this was due to similarities in the rapid-fire dialogue on Sorkin's shows and Girls. Obviously this was proved untrue, but I thought it might be funny to mention.

Also, let's go ahead and add Joel and Ethan Coen to the list as both writers and directors, and the "Two Stevens" (Soderberg and Spielberg) as directors.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:14 AM

PEDME84

i totally agree with the list so far! my favs are joss (duh) and amy sherman-palladino.

i really like j.j. abrams (he created alias though doesn't come out to play with it much anymore

) i think he's awesome at building stakes and building tension.

i really like ted elliot and terry rossio. they did the shrek movies and pirates of the carribean. i'm not a fan of shrek, but it is well written. i love pirates of the carribean. the voice for jack is off the wall! though that's a combination of the actor and the two previous writers as well. it's just so tight and happy, it's fun to see.

hmmm, you know this is a really hard list to compile. it's the nature of the business that you just don't get to know a writer and his/her style b/c nothing makes it through to the end the way they intended. even the mighty joss had no control over aliens resurrection. we're all getting really, really cheated. :-(

- emily

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:02 AM

HEB

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Originally posted by pedme84:
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i really like ted elliot and terry rossio. they did the shrek movies and pirates of the carribean.

Apparently these writers were actually allowed on the set of POTC and got to contribute.

Imagine Joss writing POTC it would have been fantastic (can you imagine joss writing for captain jack sparrow) and he would have been happier than on the set of alien resurrection or whatever.

Thankfully it all worked out okay and he has full control over serenity.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:14 AM

ECMORGAN69

In addition to JMS, who gave us a rich and diverse universe to play in with "Babylon 5", how about Dick Wolf? We got three L&O series out of him. As "ripped-off" from the headlines as the stories may be, the twists and turns added to the stories always keep me coming back for more.

They can have my "Firefly" DVDs when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers....

Oh yeah,

you, FOX TV!!

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:14 AM

ECMORGAN69

you, FOX TV!!

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:54 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Richard Linklater
Philip Kaufman
Joel and Ethan Coen
Ridley Scott
Charlie Kaufman

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:18 PM

TRACER

Without doubt, i'd have to say
Roger Hargreaves

incase you never had the good fortune to witness his work. He created the Mr Men books (and little Miss)

i cried after reading mr bump..probably becuase the kid next to me threw a bottle at me.....

before you brand me with the tag ("you need some help"

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i also enjoy reading books by Dave Gorman. i think he is the man

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:34 PM

TJACK

Kevin Smith
John Woo
.....Nuff Said.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:08 PM

LENNIER

Wow, ECGORDON seems to be the only one amoung you who seems to have a serious answer to this question (as opposed to just mentioning the few mainstream movies that were a tiny bit 'stylish' and personal ...not that I don't think M Night isn't very cool, cause he is!).

I'd say the few genuis auteur directors still alive (other than joss), are:

Zhang Yimou (The Story of Qui Ju, To Live, To Raise the Red Lantern)
David Lynch (Mulholland Drive, The Straight Story, Lost Highway, Eraserhead, Twin Peaks)
Richard Linklater (Waking Life, Before Sunrise, Tape, Suburbia)
Lars Von Trier (Breaking the Waves, Dancer in the Dark, the element of crime, Dogville)
David Cronenberg (Spider, Naked Lunch, M Butterfly)
Tom Tykwer (Heaven, Run Lola Run)
Wong Kar-Wai (In the Mood For Love)
Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu (Amores Perros, 21 grams)
Anh Hung Tran (the vertical ray of the sun, the scent of green papaya)
Anno Hideaki (Neon Genesis Evangelion, His and Her Circumstances, Love and Pop)
Martin Scorcese
Steven Soderbergh (Full Frontal, Solaris, sex lies and videotape)
Hayao Miyazaki (Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Nausicaa)
Charlie Kaufmann (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Human Nature, Adadaptation)
P T Anderson (Magnolia, Punch Drunk Love)

and maybe Ang Lee, Atom Egoyan, JMS, Darren Aronofsky, Chris Carter, Satoshi Kon, Spielberg, Wim Wenders, Tarantino, the Coen Brothers, Don McKellar, Ridley Scott, Mamouru Oshii

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:14 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I started to say Soderbergh, but his work has been inconsistent in the last few years, and as for David Lynch, I have to be in a very weird mood to enjoy most of his stuff. Of course, I'm in a weird mood most of the time, but that's another story altogether.

PS: Tarantino would never make my list. Too derivative.

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:18 PM

LENNIER

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I started to say Soderbergh, but his work has been inconsistent in the last few years, and as for David Lynch, I have to be in a very weird mood to enjoy most of his stuff. Of course, I'm in a weird mood most of the time, but that's another story altogether.

PS: Tarantino would never make my list. Too derivative.

about Tarantino, well that's sort of the point of his 'school' of filmaking. not that I'd really argue with you, he's definitely in my 'maybe', and only there because of kill bill and bit from Reservoir.

I disagree about Soderbergh ...well maybe he hasn't been 'consistent', but I think his best work is happening right now. I think Solaris and Full Frontal blow away anything else he has done.
As for Lynch, whether you enjoy him or not, he makes nearly the best use of one of the most 'natural' and ignored aspects of the medium (surrealism, of course), and he has that unique voice that combines the strange and the totally ordinary in a meaningful way, unlike anyone else has attempted. The moods he gets are just about the richest thing you can find in film, and you won't find performances quite like the kind you see in his films (which is a big deal consideirng how 'bland' performances tend to be even in the best movies ...no that this is always a minus). so hopefully you respect what he's doing even if you can't appreciate it. I could try to give a better 'defense' (i admit what I wrote isn't much of one), but that would take time and effort...

I just think the way that he contructs the very 'experience' of his films is much more 'purposeful' and complex and also coherent, than almost any other filmaker. He's interested in exploring the depths of the human mind and how film allows us to enter them ...I think he's one of those rare people who is in tune with the nature of the medium (though I do also believe in the 'realism' side of the nature of the medium, which paradoxically is the opposite of what I'm talking about here ...many of the best filmakers are able to combine the two, like Lars Von Trier, Kubrick, joss, and Kieslowski).

p.s. i updated the post with a few more names that I had forgotten, and added some movie names, in case you'd like to take a second look.

p.s. you're worrying about Soderbergh being inconsistent recently but you still wrote Ridley Scott???

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Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:29 PM

ARDEN

In regards to Tarantino, his style is (more or less) a hodge-podge of pastiche, so it's debatable whether it's really a style or simply a carefully calculated ongoing homage to the history of film. I'm kind of waiting for him to start referencing Buster Keaton, D.W. Griffith, and Douglas Sirk or somesuch.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:02 AM

CYBERSNARK

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Originally posted by Lennier:
Hayao Miyazaki (Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Nausicaa)

Seconded! (He also did My Neighbour Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, and Porco Rossi.)

I'll also add Robert Hewitt Wolfe, who I'm almost certainly misspelling.

He's the one who (among other things) turned DS9 into the season-long giga-episodes that made it so engrossing, and who took Roddenberry's scattered notes for Andromeda and turned it into the seeds of brilliance. After being kicked off his own ship, he was last spotted doing (IIRC) The Dead Zone.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:09 AM

GUNHAND

I see a lot here I like, some I like a lot but for my money it all comes down to Stanley Kubrick.

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:49 AM

PEDME84

ooo! i can't believe i forgot about miyazaki! i second (or i think, third) that one!

i also forgot about winnie holtzman. she created my so called life. the pilot of that series is simply genious. better than even joss's stuff i think, and that's like painful for me to say. i always wondered where she went, and now i see she wrote the book for the musical Wicked. omigosh! imagine if winnie won a tony!

- emily

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Sunday, May 23, 2004 7:35 PM

TIMBEISHIR

I really dig your list, Lennier. One that I would add(that may get a bad reaction here) is Jean-Pierre Jeunet. I know, I know. Yes, he did direct Alien Resurrection. And, honestly, the only problem I had with that one was how cheesy the alien hybrid looked. See his other films (Delicatessen, The City of Lost Children, Amelie) and you may rethink any bad opinions of him.

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