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Originally posted by Wishimay:
There's a big difference in breaking a rule that has the potential for just hurting yourself, and in breaking a rule that could MAIM OTHER PEOPLE...

Firefly was just good fantasy

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Last I'd heard, we still didn't know the result of his blood tests, which means we don't know ANYTHING. And THAT means I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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Originally posted by Doctorossi:
Yeah, sorry but there's simply no excuse for drunk driving.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Something tells me that IF-repeat if- he was drunk or buzzed, and let's say hypothetically had taken out a carload of kiddies, I'd hope you wouldn't rush to defend sucha person...on any planet.

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We're all entitled to a bad day, we are not entitled to inflict our bad day on others and get away with it, hopefully in any society. Cops or not, government or not...

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For what it's worth, I hope he wasn't buzzed.

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Originally posted by pennausamike:

Years ago Road & Track magazine did an article proposing a two-tiered penalty system for impaired driving.
They proposed that the person who realized they had too much to drink, drove slowly and as close to carefully as they could, and weren't belligerent if pulled over; shouldn't be penalized the same as the the belligerent loud-mouth going 70 miles an hour while loudly proclaiming that he/she drives BETTER when drunk.

The benefits of such a system would be three fold.
First, you separate out the occasional, mistaken impaired driver from the habitual, personality disorder drunk driver.
Second, you offer an incentive for those who choose to drive impaired to do so with the least risk.
Three, you don't destroy the lives of those connected to the one-time offender who was unlucky enough to be caught. Nothing like the system taking a month or two of a family's earnings to send a ripple effect of destruction from a single bad decision.
Hopefully reason two, (impaired drivers would slow it down to minimze risk and penalty), reduces danger to others on the road.

Obviously, a repeat offender moves into the higher risk category at some point, regardless of how meek the impaired driving style.

I found it to be a common sense approach, but unlikely in today's "lawyered-up" society.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
The blood alcohol level chosen may seem arbitrary, but they had to pick a concrete amount, so it would be a quantifiable thing.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'm really wondering about the passenger here. His decision making may have been impaired, hers wasn't. Why did this even happen?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Things can be adjusted to the individual. When it's the individual that needs to adjust, that smells to me like Fascism.
March to the beat, you little wooden soldier, you!
Unless you're in the ruling elite. Cops get to speed all day long. They don't have to signal. They can flash their lights to get through a red light they don't want to wait for. They can drive buzzed 'cause their friends would never bust them for it.

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Originally posted by Zeek:

So, you want every decision to be made on an individual basis, but you don't want elitism? Do you actually believe that would ever work?

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Disappointed in Alan? No way. If I let scandals, politics, or bad behavior influence my entertainment choices, there wouldn't be much for me to ever see or hear. I do cut actors and actresses some extra slack, especially those that I'm very fond of like Alan.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
That wouldn't prevent your problem with paying money. If the test is optional then you'd have to pay for it and since most driving tests are done on the road this one would likely need an entire facility built and maintained where the test could be preformed without putting the public in danger. So, the fee would likely be huge.

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If you can prove that you're a capable driver under those conditions then it's acceptable. My guess is the test would be very strict, very expensive and not result in much of a difference for anyone.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Existing course, existing facility, same staff. I don't see the extras you list here.

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Originally posted by Zeek:

Every driving test I've ever taken has been on the road. That would never fly as a testing grounds for these types of tests.

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I'd assume there would be barriers or things getting destroyed on a regular basis.

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I personally don't give a flip about the lives of actors or actresses at all. All I care about is their work. If Alan did nothing wrong, good for him. If he did, he should face the consequences. Not slack for being famous.

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Originally posted by TVChick:
It's not about breaking a rule. It's about if he broke a rule/law that is there to protect others.

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Casual drinkers know their limit. Raging drunks slam into other vehicles, and kill people.

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Every driving test I've ever taken has been on the road. That would never fly as a testing grounds for these types of tests.

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"he prepared to weave through a line of cones that had been laid out in the parking lot of Jacksonville Municipal Stadium."

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-07-31/story/youths_attempt_to_
navigate_driving_obstacle_course#ixzz1Da7CAeM4

Any big lot would do. Insurance waivers- you make it a lot more complicated than it has to be. Biggest expense would be sandbags, cones & staff, but if it's a test offered when only 50 applicants have signed up, you're talking twice a year or so (face it, MOST peeps could not begin to pass this test).


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"Strictly speaking, a driver can register a BAC of 0.00% and still be convicted of a DUI. The level of BAC does not clear a driver when it is below the 'presumed level of intoxication.'"
—Tennessee Driver Handbook and Driver License Study Guide
http://www.state.tn.us/safety/dlmain.htm

THE PROHIBITION TIMES
America's Secret History of the Current Prohibition of Alcohol
A Responsible Driver's Survival Guide
http://www.piratenews.org/theprohibitiontimes.html

"One of the major defects in many methods of blood-alcohol analysis is the failure to identify ethanol to the exclusion of all other chemical compounds. Thus a client with other compounds in his blood or breath may have a high 'blood-alcohol' reading with little or no ethanol in his body. If you look at the warranties - it is sort of interesting - none of the breath machine manufacturers warrant these things to actually test blood alcohol."
—Lawrence Taylor, attorney at law, DUICENTER.COM, Drunk Driving Defense, 5th Edition (2000)

"Nancy Benoit also had a blood alcohol reading of .184, although Sperry said the blood alcohol and drug levels could be affected by the decomposition of her body. 'These (blood alcohol) results are not reliable for interpretation because the amount of alcohol in her system could have all come from the decomposition.'"
—Cindy Morley, Fayette Daily News, GBI: Chris Benoit's son was full of Xanax, July 18, 2007

"The only reliable test for blood alcohol from a corpse is by drawing the blood directly from the interior chambers of the heart. Otherwise the blood can be contaminated with stomach and intestinal contents from ingested alcohol. This is especially true for crash victims."
—Dr Randall Pedigo MD, Knox County coroner, KPD firearms instructor and expert medical witness, shot 6 times by TBI during raid on his home searching for firearm used by towtrucking carthieves to kill a cop in Knoxville (actual shooter was "suicided" by police state death squad via "lead poisoning" and hanging), convicted of homosexual rape by injection of "vitamin" sedatives, conversation with Pirate News and The Prohibition Times

"Let me start with law enforcement contacts with respect to traffic stops, for suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. The Fifth amendment of the Bill of Rights states that we are not to be forced to incrimnate ourselves. The actual wording is, you cannot be compelled to be a witness against yourself. If you are stopped for suspicion of DUI, these are your rights regardless of the laws of your state. First of all, you are to deny having consumed any alcoholic beverages whatsoever. You are never to admit to having one or two drinks. If you admit to consuming even one drop of alcohol, you open the door to 'probable cause', allowing the police officer to search your car for open containers. Next, you are never to submit to a Field Sobriety Test. You are to refuse to do so. They cannot make you walk the line, they cannot make you balance or anything else. Now when you are arrested, you are to refuse to allow a blood-alcohol test, regardless of what state law 'requires', such as revocation of driving priveleges for a period of time. That's an attempt to compel you to be a witness against yourself. Supreme Court decisions in this area are very specific with regards to your rights as folows: Lefkowitz vs Turley, and the Fifth Amendment, provides that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, and permits him to refuse to any any other qustions put to him in any other proceeding, civil or criminal, formal or informal, where the answers might incriminate him in future criminal proceedings."
—George Gordon Law Hour, GeorgeGordon.com, "The Policeman is not your friend - He is your adversary," October 30, 2007
http://supreme.justia.com/us/414/70/

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
-President Abraham Lincoln (Rothschild), unlicensed attorney at law

"I saw two officers as before, who rode up to me, with their pistols in their hands, said God damn you stop, if go an Inch further, you are a dead Man, and swore if we did not turn in to that pasture, they would blow our brains out. Major Mitchel of the 5th Regt clapd his Pistol to my head, and said he was going to ask me some questions, if I did not tell the truth, he would blow my brains out. I told him I esteemed myself a man of truth, that he had stopped me on the highway, & made me a prisoner, I knew not by what right; I would tell him the truth; I was not afraid."
—Paul Revere, owner of RevereWare¨, sworn affidavit: "Memorandum on Events of April 18, 1775" (declassified Top Secret), while under arrest (and subsequent escape) from Redcoat martial-law traffic police at Minute Man National Historic Park, Paul Revere Capture Site, on the eve of the American Revolutionary War and kicking off the Battle of Lexington and Concord, against the army, navy and courts of King George III, heriditary dictator of England who attempted "gun control" by an Assault Weapons Ban of defensive 50-caliber muskets and cannon, Paul Revere's Ride, by David Hackett Fischer



"There's a report out tonight that 24-years ago I was apprehended in Kennebunkport, Maine, for a DUI. That's an accurate story. I'm not proud of that. I oftentimes said that years ago I made some mistakes. I occasionally drank too much and I did on that night. I was pulled over. I admitted to the policeman that I had been drinking. I paid a fine. And I regret that it happened. But it did. I've learned my lesson."
—President George W. Bush, CNN Larry King Live, November 2, 2000
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html

"I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend."
-Vice President Dick Cheney, Fox News
youtube.com/watch?v=pR7CH9zvD6s
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cheney_doc.html

"Back during Prohibition, when ATF agents went to the mountains to bust stills, they didn't come back. People wouldn't tolerate that oppression. That was before fluoride was added to the water..."
-Police Officer Jack McLamb, Jack McLamb Radio Show, 20 Feb 2010 (his webmaster was sent to prison for infiltrating Bohemian Grove and shooting video as an employee)
http://www.jackmclamb.org

"Don't get a DUI. When a cop pulls you over..... shoot him!" (crowd cheered wildly)
-Christopher Scum, The Dirty Works, Rebel Scum movie premier, Knoxville Tennessee
http://www.myspace.com/rebelscumthemovie

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Originally posted by Zeek:


Driving tests have a tester in the car too. I doubt they'd be happy signing an insurance waiver.

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Driving tests have a tester in the car too. I doubt they'd be happy signing an insurance waiver.

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WTF are you on about???? These are YOUR rules for EVERY different type & level of driving test, I take it- correct? 'Cause you know, in real life things can be different in different & parts of the country or on different levels of testing than you sometime imagine they can be. Just a FYI.

You ever play don't-hit-the-cone? You can make it REALLY difficult for a sober person, and impossible for anyone can't handle their Mudder's Milk.


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How about carboard-pop-up-kid-in-the-street?


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Summer Glau talks about drinking and driving fast during an interview with Esquire Magazine. www.esquire.com/women/women-we-love/summer-glau-0311

In ten minutes she will be drinking whiskey at the bar. In an hour she will be heading home in her Trans Am. Does this remind anyone of Alan Tudyk?

“I like wine, but I'm really a whiskey drinker. I'm a Maker's Mark girl. It's funny, I grew up in a conservative family and my parents didn't drink at all, but my sisters and I can drink like fishes. We don't get drunk — I don't get out of control — but I'll have a nightly bourbon to unwind.”

“I have a 1979 model that I'm still restoring. My friends say I drive too fast. But I'm just trying to drive my muscle car in a muscle car way.”

The t-shirt says, below the word shirt: “Got caught doin' 155 mph”

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” Actor Alan Tudyk, whose film credits include “Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story” and the British comedy “Death at a Funeral,” was arrested early Sunday in Soquel on suspicion of driving under the influence, according to the California Highway Patrol.

Tudyk was pulled over about 1 a.m. on Soquel Drive near Robertson Road, just north of downtown Soquel, after officers observed him speeding in a silver Land Cruiser owned by a friend, the CHP reported. He was going 40 in a 25 mph zone, officer Sarah Jackson said.

Tudyk, who lives in Los Angeles and was visiting the area, told the arresting officer he had a few beers at 99 Bottles in Santa Cruz, officer Trevor Smith said.

Tudyk declined to take a breath test, but he failed a field sobriety test, Smith said. Results of his blood-alcohol test are pending.

Tudyk was arrested without incident, Jackson said.

A female passenger who was sober drove the Land Cruiser after the arrest, Smith said.

http://alantudykonline.co.uk/wordpress/

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There is an epidemic plaguing our country. It is a tragedy that affects every scifi fan in our nation, even our globe. It is the reoccurring death of Alan Tudyk. Time after time the innocent Alan Tudyk is taken from us before his time.

Today we change our name to "Please Stop Arresting Alan Tudyk." Well, if people kept killing me, I'd drink too.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Please-Stop-Killing-Alan-Tudyk/200151533
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Actress Jaime Pressly has spoken out for the first time about her recent double drama, insisting her DUI arrest and impending divorce are not connected. Pressly reportedly owes $637,149 in unpaid taxes. Pressly, who was reportedly almost three times over the legal blood alcohol limit, was released on $15,000 bail and subsequently charged with two counts of DUI. She entered her plea during a court hearing at a Los Angeles County courtroom on February 4 and is next due in court on March 18. If convicted, the actress faces up to six months in jail.

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/celebrities/2011/02/10/1723236
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