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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
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or lame as far as Hollywood plot line take-backs.
(Does Joss get a take-back with this? But in Firefly, can it happen? *scratches head*)
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Originally posted by pennausamike:
I'll remind you that Joss already saw fit to do a take-back with Dobson,
who got shot in the HEAD with a pistol that dropped a horse in one shot.

So yes, it can happen in Firefly,
for infinitely inferior story development reasons.

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Originally posted by ebfiddler:
Oh boy. I don't like that Wash was killed in the movie, but I don't like magical solutions, or time-warp re-winds or whatever. I'd rather have him come back, quite frequently, in dreams, flashbacks, and in people's memories. So lots and lots and lots of Wash, please, but he's still dead. (Same for Book.)

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
Dead.

Anything else would cheapen his sacrifice and undo a part of what the BDM did for us.

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Oh boy. I don't like that Wash was killed in the movie, but I don't like magical solutions, or time-warp re-winds or whatever. I'd rather have him come back, quite frequently, in dreams, flashbacks, and in people's memories. So lots and lots and lots of Wash, please, but he's still dead. (Same for Book.)

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Wash was the comic relief.
Fond remembrances of the dead guy aren't really all that funny.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Awww, come on. There's another thread for the bickering, all you had to do was "dead" or "alive".

I can't imagine what it's like actually living with some of you *facepalm

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..."living with" is a relative term... Perhaps if you used the past tense?

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
Dead and alive.

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But I don't really see a good storyline justification for either of them as neither of them are in the good graces of anyone who might have access to technology like that.

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Originally posted by pennausamike:
Wash can be returned to the Firefly story using
already established in-the-'verse-tech:

Put Wash in River's cryo-box to take him home for burial.
Along the way, Simon informs the crew
that the same medical tech that produced Tracy's hopped up internal organs
("million credit meat" in Tracy's words)
are accessible at Government research facilities.
Using a bit of improvisation and Book's ident card,
they sneak Wash in place of a politico who bumped a deserving recipient
(ala PA's governor Casey who bumped everybody down the list for his transplant).
Alliance bashing, witty dialog and some gunplay ensues.

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Originally posted by cdabel:
Too complicated? They used the exact same gimmick in The Message and that didnt seem too "scientific". Tracy had a good plan, he just screwed it up.

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Too complicated? They used the exact same gimmick in The Message and that didnt seem too "scientific". Tracy had a good plan, he just screwed it up.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

I could more buy two's idea that the reavers coated the harpoon with byphodine to reduce any struggling from their victims while dragging them back to their ship to eat (though you'd think reavers would like the struggling), except the harpoon created a three inch hole in Wash's chest cavity. Even with 26th century technology, no one could survive that.

. . . not unless they rebooted the series/movie and retconned it.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
In terms of saving Wash, I'm smelling a lot of "if" coming from this plan. If he wasn't instantly killed, if technology existed that could revive him even if he was, if they could get him in cryo in time, if they found the owners of that technology who would likely be Blue Sun or the Alliance or some of the most scary and ruthless criminals out there, if they could steal the technology or organs and not end up carcasses strung up in a butcher shop.

I could more buy two's idea that the reavers coated the harpoon with byphodine to reduce any struggling from their victims while dragging them back to their ship to eat (though you'd think reavers would like the struggling), except the harpoon created a three inch hole in Wash's chest cavity. Even with 26th century technology, no one could survive that.

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Originally posted by Moose:
...do you want to think about Wash still being alive in that situation?

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Originally posted by two:
No! Wash was deep asleep from the drugs on the Reaver harpoon. The Reavers didn't notice him because he was not snoring.

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I could more buy two's idea that the reavers coated the harpoon with byphodine to reduce any struggling from their victims while dragging them back to their ship to eat (though you'd think reavers would like the struggling), except the harpoon created a three inch hole in Wash's chest cavity. Even with 26th century technology, no one could survive that.

. . . not unless they rebooted the series/movie and retconned it.

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The Reaver spear only "appeared" to hit Wash's heart. In TV and movies there are many spots (unknown to doctors) in human anatomy where bullets and spears can go completely through but don't strike any vital organs. Recall Mal's gut and the Operative's sword. Or Jayne's leg and the Reavers' harpoon.

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