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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:02 AM

RIVERGIRL


OMG my thoughts and prayers to all

I had just sent congrats to friends re the Olympic choice then heard about the subway explosions

Also, I can kill you with my brain.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rivergirl:
OMG my thoughts and prayers to all

I had just sent congrats to friends re the Olympic choice then heard about the subway explosions

Also, I can kill you with my brain.



Being from Atlanta, I was thrilled for London as their name was read as the 2012 host city. And then today, I wake up to the terrible news.

My thoughts go out to them. Hope they quickly get those bastards who did this.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:13 AM

JAINA


being a londoner wasn't thrilled about the olympics, but nmighty shocked about today. one place that was hit is where i'm due to start work soon. so it all sends shivers. been frantically texting/calling friends in central london, see if they're all ok.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:16 AM

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Its pretty worrying Im far away up north but a friend went down to london yesterday and its just impossible to contact anyone down there.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:18 AM

JAINA


it really is. my dad's been pestering me for ages to head into uni to check my results, i have them, but he doesnt trust me friend *snort*. dont think i'll be going in for a bit now.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:29 AM

RELFEXIVE


It's scary for sure. More and more news coming in, explosions and the like. Wish there was a TV so I could get more of the reports.

Where I work, it's a Ministry Of Defence place, so the security rating has gone up and they've closed the gates.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:39 AM

EMMA


I am very sad, London is my home (albeit an absent one), I was born and grew up there and moved away very recently, it is very sad. A couple of my friends had a close call but it all sucks.

I wonder why it didn't happen before the Olympic vote.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:43 AM

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I used to work right by Russell Square so got lots of friends/work colleagues in the heart of it. They're all OK, but obviously a bit scary being there when you can hear the sirens, explosions etc.

BTW, someone's commented on the UB that the police block mobile signals as they can be used as triggers, so don't panic if you can't get through on someone's mobile.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 12:53 AM

RELFEXIVE


I suspect it's more to do with the G8 summit than the Olympics. Could be wrong, though.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:16 AM

ZOL


The prime minister has just spoken, clearly shookup as are the rest of us, he will be returning to london in the next couple of hours and then his plans are to return to the G8 summit later this evening.

Hopes & wishes to all who have been stuck in this tragic events, and it is not just down to London, Swindon trains have been stopped & MOD sites are not letting visitors entrance to the sites.

Darin

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:20 AM

FRAY101


Al Quaeda apparently. Well, that's what someone emailed me but I don't know the source.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Zol:
The prime minister has just spoken, clearly shookup as are the rest of us, he will be returning to london in the next couple of hours and then his plans are to return to the G8 summit later this evening.

Hopes & wishes to all who have been stuck in this tragic events, and it is not just down to London, Swindon trains have been stopped & MOD sites are not letting visitors entrance to the sites.

Darin



He did sound shaken, didn't he?

Yeah, they've put up the security level and closed the gates where I work, and got everyone being extra aware for suspect packages etc.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:27 AM

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My thoughts and prayers to the people of London.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:27 AM

ZOL


Eastern Intelligence experts have said Al-Quida, but as with anything, it`s easy to put the blame to someone or group of people - similar to that of the IRA in the past, if a bomb went off, it was always thought of another IRA Bomb, we need to wait until the full intellegences sources have come together and gathered more evidence.

The latest news is that the G8 countries & Europe have stepped up their security on their public transportation & even New York has stepped up it`s policing of train stations too (Source Sky News/CNN)

Darin


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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:28 AM

SERENITYPUNK


we are all ok

my brother who works at russell square tube, thankfully wasnt due in till this afternoon so is fine

and i have a friend in russell square working and she is fine too. albeit a little shook up

she said its bedlam though and alot worse than we are being led to believe

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:29 AM

RELFEXIVE


Quote:

Originally posted by fray101:
Al Quaeda apparently. Well, that's what someone emailed me but I don't know the source.




The BBC News website now says:

"Islamist website carries message claiming responsibility for London attacks."

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:31 AM

EMMA


The rumours are al qaeda but that is such an easy response and they have never been known for their self-control - believe it or not this could have been worse. 200 people died in Madrid - this wasn't designed to kill hundreds or there would be far more deaths (3 confirmed so far)

The timing is weird, the G8 was yesterday - an attack then might have delayed the summit and stopped the London Olympics. Be grateful for small mercies I suppose.

This is all so gorram depressing

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:32 AM

RELFEXIVE


Quote:

Originally posted by SerenityPunk:
we are all ok

my brother who works at russell square tube, thankfully wasnt due in till this afternoon so is fine

and i have a friend in russell square working and she is fine too. albeit a little shook up

she said its bedlam though and alot worse than we are being led to believe



Things will be downplayed a little, until we get more new reports and official announcements. Till then we're getting the simplified version.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:34 AM

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:36 AM

RELFEXIVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Emma:
The rumours are al qaeda but that is such an easy response and they have never been known for their self-control - believe it or not this could have been worse. 200 people died in Madrid - this wasn't designed to kill hundreds or there would be far more deaths (3 confirmed so far)

The timing is weird, the G8 was yesterday - an attack then might have delayed the summit and stopped the London Olympics. Be grateful for small mercies I suppose.

This is all so gorram depressing



Definitely.

This looks like more of a disruption attack than a killing one. Makes me think it's not Al Qaeda, but I'm probably wrong about that.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:40 AM

EMMA


Yep, Rel, again I am with you. This doesn't strike me as Al-Qaeda despite the claims. Why would they restrict the power of the bombs? It almost reminds me of the IRA but surely not...

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:46 AM

RELFEXIVE


They would have to be stupendously stupid, and I don't think they are quite that dim.

My suspicions, alas, fall upon anti-G8 extremists. The sort of people for whom smashing and fighting isn't enough of a protest.

I hope not, though. I'd like to be wrong.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:53 AM

EMMA


I can't believe that, there have never been anti-Capitalists that mad, that is too much. The IRA might think it makes some sense because the debate is now doomed - Paisley is the lead negotiator now Trimble has gone. Perhaps some of the 'real' IRA have decided to return to the violence - it would be pretty stupid though but it is whoever did it.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 1:55 AM

RELFEXIVE


Could be, I spose.



More fatalities confirmed at Edgeware Road.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:05 AM

SIMONWHO


The timing of the bombs points to G8 which suggests an international terrorist organisation. Given that to have any credibility, they'd have to announce themselves pretty much simultaneously with the attacks, I'd have expected to have heard some claim by now. So it's most probably Al-Qaeda.

I suppose we should be grateful that the fatalities aren't in the hundreds as they were in Madrid or the thousands as they were in 9/11. But I'm more depressed by the prospect of our government becoming even more authoritarian. There's no point beating these people if we have to give up our freedom to do so.

Bonus marks to my mother for not realising that I'd have liked a phone call to say she was okay when she was travelling from Liverpool Street along the tubes at pretty much the same time the bombs went off. Managed to track her down at the course she was attending eventually.

London's a tough city. We've had bombing campaigns waged against us for decades and still kept our head held high. We'll weather this storm too. Thoughts and hopes to all those directly caught up in it.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:31 AM

PHOEBE


One thing really got me about this.

My friend was supposed to be a train leaving from King's Cross at the time of the KC explosion. She takes that journey every day, at the same time, without fail, to get to her university (she's a trainee nurse).

Today, she overslept. The only time in her entire time at university she's overslept. That faulty alarm clock may just have saved her life.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:34 AM

EMMA


Very true SW, London will be fine in a couple of weeks. My Dad was caught in an IRA blast in the 80s and went back to work the next day - tough bunch. The worst thing is not being able to get through to people, hoping everyone is alright.

Like you hinted at, this will give Blair carte blanche to bring in the ID cards though. Gorram it! I just hope none of the bombers are involved with Iran otherwise another disgusting war will be on the cards.



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Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:44 AM

SERENITYPUNK


as blair said

do what you like mr terrorist, you wont win, we are bigger and tougher than you like to think

we fought and won 2 world wars for gorram sake!!



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Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:57 AM

RELFEXIVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Emma:
Very true SW, London will be fine in a couple of weeks. My Dad was caught in an IRA blast in the 80s and went back to work the next day - tough bunch. The worst thing is not being able to get through to people, hoping everyone is alright.



London and Londoners will get through this okay, as you say. And that'll be one in the eye for the people who did this.

Quote:

Originally posted by Emma:
Like you hinted at, this will give Blair carte blanche to bring in the ID cards though. Gorram it! I just hope none of the bombers are involved with Iran otherwise another disgusting war will be on the cards.



Don't worry about that right now. There's time for such things later.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 2:57 AM

SPIKESBABE


I have friends/former colleagues that work in London. There's a couple that I can't get hold of, I'm trying to be positive and blaming the clogged up networks but i'm really worried, one in particular is a nurse at Great Ormond St (just off Russell Square) who travels to work by bus and was supposed to be there this morning and hasn't showed up yet.

I'm praying cos there's nothing else I can do.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:00 AM

RELFEXIVE


It'll be the networks, I'm sure. And if one is a nurse, they might be too busy to call anyone anyway

ADDENDUM: Just read on BBC News that Great Ormond is taking in some casualties, so that's probably it.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:12 AM

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My thoughts and wishes are with London as well.

I'm with those who've said there's something fishy about this. It doesn't seem like Al Qaeda's style. An organized-but-carefully-limited strike like this is a plea for attention (as folks have said, likely no lasting economic fallout, and surprisingly few casualties), but AQ are the only ones to claim credit.

The only possible long-term effect would be to make Al Qaeda's operations harder on account of boosted security and p*ssed off Englishmen. I'd think they'd've learned that lesson (well, bar the angry English) with the US.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:13 AM

EMMA


That is true, if she is a nurse she may be on the ground helping out. Easier said than done but try not to worry too much.

London is a huge place and only a tiny proportion of people will be involved directly - apart from the fall-out with tube closures (the Central Line derailment was bad enough, Christ knows what this will be like. My heart goes to everyone who will experience that chaos.)

Be strong, calm and at peace

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:22 AM

SIMONWHO


Of course, this may be one of the last gasps of Al-Qaeda. They've been under sustained attack now for 4 years; previously they've been under the cover of "collatoral damage", knowing that they were unlikely to be struck by missiles if they hid in villages with civilians. That's gone out of the window now (for better or worse).

If this was a "We're still here" stunt, it might yet back fire. They changed the world on 9/11, horrified in Bali and Madrid. But what happened today wasn't the stuff of nightmares that we'd previously discussed: dirty bombs, chemical warfare, mass suicide bombings. We've had twenty five years of bombs in buildings, railway stations, etc, etc. The capital has been designed to resist such attacks for decades.

This won't change London and that may prove to be a tactical blunder on their part.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:22 AM

CALLMESERENITY


My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in London, also. My first thought when I heard the news on the radio in the car on the way to work was "I hope all the London Browncoats are alright!!"
Please keep us all updated on what's going on! MSN.com has very limited info right now.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:25 AM

RELFEXIVE


Em's right (my turn to agree with her ) - the odds are anyone we know are just caught up in the overall disruption. Other than the already stated cases of known involvement, of course. I'll keep hoping for the best for all of them.

As for the Al-Qaeda Or Not question, it is looking more like them, I think, especially in light of that statement that got released. You can read it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660391.stm

It's the usual 'heroic' and 'blessed' stuff. Motherfuckers.

It seems like it's not Al-Qaeda because the fatalities appear to be so low. But disruption and fear are the primary tools of the terrorist, so it still could be.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:28 AM

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According to Sky News, 45 people were killed and up to 1000 others were injured.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:29 AM

RELFEXIVE


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
Of course, this may be one of the last gasps of Al-Qaeda. They've been under sustained attack now for 4 years; previously they've been under the cover of "collatoral damage", knowing that they were unlikely to be struck by missiles if they hid in villages with civilians. That's gone out of the window now (for better or worse).

If this was a "We're still here" stunt, it might yet back fire. They changed the world on 9/11, horrified in Bali and Madrid. But what happened today wasn't the stuff of nightmares that we'd previously discussed: dirty bombs, chemical warfare, mass suicide bombings. We've had twenty five years of bombs in buildings, railway stations, etc, etc. The capital has been designed to resist such attacks for decades.

This won't change London and that may prove to be a tactical blunder on their part.



Almost certainly. I mean, how often does a terrorist attack like this actually make the victims do what the terrorists want, anyway? It always strengthens their resolve against their attackers. Every time. That's one of the things that makes these sort of attacks so pointless. It'll just make us more determined to blast the living hell out of them. How does it help their cause?

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 3:41 AM

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Particularly when their "goal", such as it is, is so unreachable. "Become a fundamentalist Islamic regime". We'd rather die. Or perhaps instead, we'd rather kill every last one of you.

Perhaps a historian here could tell us, how many democracies have been turned into dictatorships (that remained that way).

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 4:00 AM

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cally just for you

im in contact with most major hospitals in london in case i can be of service in a pro capacity

this was posted on GOSH web

This is posted on the GOSH site

External statement from Great Ormond Street Hospital
Thursday 7th July 2005 at 12.05pm

Incident in London today

All patients in Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) are safe
following the incidents in London this morning. All Staff and families
have been advised not to leave the premises until the hospital receives
a clear update from the police.

GOSH does not have an accident and emergency unit but we are ready to
admit patients referred to us from other hospitals as required. We
have introduced well- established continguency procedures and are on
standby along with the rest of NHS to treat and receive any admissions
if required.

All elective admissions and surgery have been cancelled for today.
Families are currently being notified. All landline and mobile phone
services have also been disrupted.

We do not have any further information at present but will provide
updates if we have more news.

Further information: GOSH press office on 020 7829 8671

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 4:13 AM

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My thoughts and prayers go out to all of our friends and family in london and around the world.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 4:42 AM

EMMA


The BBC have had 33 confirmed deaths, although that is likely to rise. They only publish confirmed facts by the authorities not 'off-the-record' comments or eye-witness counts.

Be at peace

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 5:03 AM

SPIKESBABE


SerenityPunk, thank you, I've heard from both Emma (the nurse) and Dominic and there both fine, thank you all for you kind words, I feel like I've spent most of the day crying.

I've got to agree with SimonWho I grew up with IRA bombs and it became second nature you carry on around it, they picked the wrong people to bomb.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:15 AM

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my mum used to work in London whenthe IRA was pretty rife. But ... with them, she did mention, that they did send coded warnings to the police and whoever. so there was some amount of warnings about that. this .. this was just, horrific.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jaina:
my mum used to work in London whenthe IRA was pretty rife. But ... with them, she did mention, that they did send coded warnings to the police and whoever. so there was some amount of warnings about that. this .. this was just, horrific.

Which brings a question to mind. Do thunderstorms bother any of you - have you thinking "Bomb!" before "oh... thunder."

I ask, because a friend of mine grew up in Beirut during the war. She's Armenian, so wasn't on either side, but stuck in the middle. To this day, thunderstorms make her twitch and she doesn't attend fireworks displays on the 4th or ever.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:26 AM

JAINA


actually, i love thunderstorms. the sounds, the rain, the lightening. afterwards it makes everything feel "fresh" again, ..... i'm not looney, honest!

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 6:35 AM

SIMONWHO


The bombs weren't really frequent enough in London for that sort of association. But we weren't horribly surprised if we came back to a news report of another bombing. Horrified but not surprised.

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:03 AM

CALLYGAL


I'm Northern Irish, and while thunderstorms and fireworks don't bother me, a car-backfiring or similar loud bangs still makes me worry for a second. And I didn't even grow up in the worst of the troubles.

I'm so thankful that all my English uni friends are outside the capital right now. Much love to all those of you who were affected personally, in whatever way.

I'm not nice. I'm just highly susceptible to guilt

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:14 AM

RELFEXIVE


I think warnings are basically intended to allow bombs to go off while reducing the potential death toll by allowing for evacuation, or at least a quicker response. Provided the warning is given early enough, that is.

Attacks like this, with nor warning at all, are only for one thing, or rather four: chaos, panic, destruction and death.

Bastards.

"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."

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Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:21 AM

SERENITYPUNK


Its all starting to kick off again though

victoria is being evacuated and police are expecting more attacks

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