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Jacquiline Bissett...worth watching more than once.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey JSF,

I'm going to add to your "solid" list:

The Matrix
Cloud Atlas
The Dark Knight
The Sixth Sense

SGG

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Ink
Donnie Darko
Mullund Drive

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey JSF,

I'm going to add to your "solid" list:

The Matrix
Cloud Atlas
The Dark Knight
The Sixth Sense

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Although I personally disagree with Cloud Atlas, I know some people have found it intriguing through viewings, so I'll add it.

Dark Knight? Was there some plot twists or hidden meanings which needed re-watching to figure out? I don't recall that.

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Originally posted by Moose:
Jacquiline Bissett...worth watching more than once.

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Jacquiline Bissett...worth watching more than once.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I was also thinking about Mulholland Falls (1996). I'm not sure how many times I saw it before I felt I had all of the details. And what a cast, making it enjoyable to watch. I think that was the briefest screentime I had ever seen for Ed Lauter. And Bruce Dern as LA Police Chief!!

Which made me consider To Live And Die In L.A.
And then Platoon. And Saving Private Ryan, although I'm thinking only 2 or 3 viewings got me all of it.

And Color of Night. Although entranced by Jane March, I had wondered what parts of the story or foreshadowing I had missed.

OK, Conspiracy Theory.

I'm not sure about Memento.
But Pulp Fiction - maybe. I don't recall how many times I saw it before I thought I'd absorbed all the details.

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Ink
Donnie Darko
Mullund Drive

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Did you mean Mulholland Drive?


Ink?
Did you mean this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1071804/

Or this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3575854/

Or this:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5615848/

Or something else?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did you mean Mulholland Drive?

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12 Monkeys
I think the gist of it, and much of the supporting bits are laid out quite well for the casual viewer, but I kept finding more detail even after numerous viewings. In a way, there may be several layers of story in there.

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You want Blue Velvet added?
That does remind me of The Hot Spot (Hopper Directed), Speed, and Twin Peaks. But I think the story kinks in Hot Spot and Speed were ironed out after a 2nd or 3rd viewing (but both have been re-watched many times by myself).


I will add The Dark Knight.

I should have elaborated - profound wasn't really what I was looking for, but it should work. Many of the films I have indicated had time travel (paradox), or the splicing of sequence, to try to look for the cause/effect relationships. Highlander had time sequence manipulation, using mostly flashbacks (at the time, that was a rarely used device, but became prevalent and easier for the viewer to follow after Highlander). Pulp Fiction, Memento, Terminator, and even Private Ryan had non-linear time sequence displayed. Mulholland Falls and Conspiracy Theory utilized flashbacks or memory revelations. Arrival, Edge of Tomorrow, and I think Inception are included here. And STIV, which was successful enough to spur some TV Series called Next Generation.

Hero was one which I desired to find all of the foreshadowing, all of the signs I missed about what was about to happen, would happen, the iinteracton - which might be largely a dissection of how the scenes were displayed, how the director cut or edited it. Also Ex-Machina, Blade Runner, Fifth Element, SWIV.

Total Recall, Sixth Sense, Matrix, Inception had various versions of reality to hash out, and connect or speculate about. Now I recall Oblivion as well.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Oh yeah. 12 Monkeys was a great one. That was my first date with one of my first girlfriends back in the day. She picked it. She had a huge crush on Brad Pitt. I've probably seen that movie about 5 more times over the years since then.

If you guys like that, you should watch the TV show if you haven't. It's really expanded on the idea even though it's strayed quite a bit from the movie roots.

I love spotting all the little nods to the original movie they've got, like the sweater....

Emily Hampshire plays at least a good a psycho as Brad Pitt was.

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Maybe you saw a different film than me. Jeffrey wasn't a psycho. He was medicated. Are you one who confuses "bipolar" with something that is not drug-dependancy?


Anyhow, I didn't even know there was a TV show there.

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Maybe you saw a different film than me. Jeffrey wasn't a psycho. He was medicated. Are you one who confuses "bipolar" with something that is not drug-dependancy?


Anyhow, I didn't even know there was a TV show there.

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Obviously we saw the same film. I think you're just kind of being a dick. But sure... she is as good as being _____________ (whatever you'd like to call it here).

You should watch the show. It's really good.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
It airs on Syfy... Not sure if you would qualify that as a network. I don't really know that much about commercial TV since I cut the cord over a decade ago.

Two words.

FireStick.

Kodi.

You'll thank me later.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Yeah... I don't even own a TV new enough to get the HD signals and I never got any converter boxes. My parents laughed when they asked me if I wanted a DVD the other day and I said I don't even have a DVD player. They asked me if I was living in the stone age. I laughed right back and said that I've got a thumb stick that can instantly stream about 70,000 movies or TV shows with a few mouse clicks. I haven't seen a commercial outside of the Superbowl in about 10 years.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Do you need to have an antenna to get the HD signals still, or will the converters do that for you? Maybe I'll look into one or two of them if you don't need an antenna. I've got an old projection screen out on my 3 season room that hardly gets any use during the summer since my NAS drive died.


I've actually never seen Green Mile or Memento. I've always meant to.

Pay it Forward is one of the greats.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yes, some type of antenna is usually needed, based upon the signal strength. I also used to just connect wire and hang it on the wall, or under the curtains.
rabbit ears are also quite cheap at used places. Also there are cheap flat-square type antennas which work well. I used to also just plug into the cable in the wall, even though it wasn't connect to the cable company. The wire in the cable, which sometimes extends outside, would act as antenna fairly well.
Different stations and broadcast locations/directions will affect your reception.
Also, those DVDs are usually available for free borrowing at the Pubic Library.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Dude, I agree with you. That classic picture of her in The Deep (her in scuba gear and a T-shirt and that's it).

Hubba, Hubba!




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Originally posted by Moose:
Jacquiline Bissett...worth watching more than once.

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Yes, some type of antenna is usually needed, based upon the signal strength. I also used to just connect wire and hang it on the wall, or under the curtains.
rabbit ears are also quite cheap at used places. Also there are cheap flat-square type antennas which work well. I used to also just plug into the cable in the wall, even though it wasn't connect to the cable company. The wire in the cable, which sometimes extends outside, would act as antenna fairly well.
Different stations and broadcast locations/directions will affect your reception.
Also, those DVDs are usually available for free borrowing at the Pubic Library.

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Yeah... I thought that some people were able to connect through the coaxial. Didn't know why that worked though. If I see a unit at the goodwill I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the info.

I could watch those movies on the Stick tonight if I wanted to. I'll have to make a mental note to remember to watch them.

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Or you could put a note on your stick - or in your stick. Not that that is perverted.

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Maybe somebody should start a thread about Great Films You Never Saw.

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Maybe somebody should start a thread about Great Films You Never Saw.

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I am unlikely to comment extensively on films I have not seen, or recommend them. Unlike movie critics, such as Leonard Maltin and Pauline Kael.

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Maybe somebody should start a thread about Great Films You Never Saw.

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I am unlikely to comment extensively on films I have not seen, or recommend them. Unlike movie critics, such as Leonard Maltin and Pauline Kael.

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Yeah... that wouldn't be the point of the thread lol...

I thought it would be cool to have a thread where you could post movies you've always meant to see because everybody else thinks they're great but for whatever reason you've never seen them, and then other people could say what they thought about them.

I thought of a few more myself....

All of the Pirates movies.
The Godfather movies.
The third Bale Batman movie.


The only one like that for me I ever got around to watching years later was The Sixth Sense and that was just a huge letdown for me. It was actually never ruined for me, but I knew what was going to happen because it was ripped off of Jacob's Ladder, which apparently nobody ever saw.

Strangely, the only movie with M Knight's name in the title that I actually liked was the one that was universally hated. The Village.

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Eventually the secret of Those, etc., is revealed. To call it an anticlimax would be an insult not only to climaxes but to prefixes. It's a crummy secret, about one step up the ladder of narrative originality from It Was All a Dream. It's so witless, in fact, that when we do discover the secret, we want to rewind the film so we don't know the secret anymore.

And then keep on rewinding, and rewinding, until we're back at the beginning, and can get up from our seats and walk backward out of the theater and go down the up escalator and watch the money spring from the cash register into our pockets.

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You should watch it again. Maybe I'm looking back on it with sentimentality that it doesn't deserve, but I thought it was a great movie years ago. There are quite a few differences between the two flicks, but the overall "twist" was essentially identical.

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My top one is "Little Big Man".

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You should watch it again. Maybe I'm looking back on it with sentimentality that it doesn't deserve, but I thought it was a great movie years ago. There are quite a few differences between the two flicks, but the overall "twist" was essentially identical.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no plans to treat you like a child.
I just forced myself to suffer through this Tim Robbins dreck again. This torture was made worse by the DVD not having subtitles available, so trying to decipher Robbins' mumbling the whole film was exasperating.
My recall of the film was another drug-addled foray into anti-Vietnam diatribe. But a few days ago when I checked, the synopsis on the DVD cover and also in imdb hide these facts, so I wondered if I had mistaken the film for another. And then at the end it does reveal that it is a pretend depiction of the hallucinogen drug BZ.
I will admit that during the past week, the TV has been showing Eric the Viking, and it was quite difficult to differentiate his performances in these two films. In fact, I cannot now recall any performance he has given that was not the same, other than Top Gun.
Most of the cast I have enjoyed in their other works, other than Costanza. This film also came out the same year as Navy Seals, which share many of the same group from Top Gun, the upcoming Terminator 2.
I am left to believe you did not actually watch The Sixth Sense. I could find no similarities. Nobody had addiction to wacky drugs. There were no hippies pretending to be soldiers. The whole film was not just a dream. You seemed to have completely missed some excellent scenes, and their meanings. How did Robbins help so many people he met and interacted with, like both the Willis and Osment characters?
If there was any rip-off involved, perhaps this dreck stole from Deer Hunter, Coming Home, or other lame wastes of time. I wish I could ask for my time back. I gotta watch Arrival or Edge of Tomorrow, Braveheart again to wash this rubbish from my mind.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no plans to treat you like a child.



I am left to believe you did not actually watch The Sixth Sense. I could find no similarities. Nobody had addiction to wacky drugs. There were no hippies pretending to be soldiers. The whole film was not just a dream. You seemed to have completely missed some excellent scenes, and their meanings. How did Robbins help so many people he met and interacted with, like both the Willis and Osment characters?
If there was any rip-off involved, perhaps this dreck stole from Deer Hunter, Coming Home, or other lame wastes of time.

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I think you were so focused on what you hated about the movie that you didn't recognize that the "Twist Ending" in The Sixth Sense was pretty much directly ripped off from the ending of Jacob's Ladder.

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I still don't know what you are talking about.
One is a poignant reveal of a spirit who has not passed over, yet while unaware of his demise he continues to help those that he can, as he did in the secular world. He becomes aware of his latent mortality.
The other is the same lame "it was all a dream" hocum, with the excuse that it was all from drugs. No memory revealed, no spiritual awakening, no helping others, nothing actually happened during his dreams, nothing except the reveal that you just wasted 2 hours of your life.

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Another film that was shit all over when it came out is "Dance With Wolves".

The end of this film upsets me.

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Another film that was shit all over when it came out is "Dance With Wolves".

The end of this film upsets me.

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I still don't know what you are talking about.
One is a poignant reveal of a spirit who has not passed over, yet while unaware of his demise he continues to help those that he can, as he did in the secular world. He becomes aware of his latent mortality.
The other is the same lame "it was all a dream" hocum, with the excuse that it was all from drugs. No memory revealed, no spiritual awakening, no helping others, nothing actually happened during his dreams, nothing except the reveal that you just wasted 2 hours of your life.

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Well... again, I saw the movie when I was like 10 years old. Maybe the "it's all a dream" trope was new to me at the time.

I think what stuck with me was the "he's already dead" thing, that in both movies you didn't know until the very end. I think I was guilty of focusing on the perceived parallels throughout the movie to the point that I wasn't taking in all that you noticed about it. If it really is as good as you say it is, M Knight probably "borrowed" the premise of Jacob's Ladder and made it a better story with a higher production value. I'm not going to admit there weren't parallels though, because why would a movie I had seen as a kid stick with me over a decade later while watching The Sixth Sense. I already knew the ending well before it happened.

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If I knew you were actually going to see one of my recommendations I would have put Ink at the top of the list. I hope you do watch that one someday and don't let my bad recommendation of Jacob's Ladder put you off from it.

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I saw that one in grade school at some point. We actually got a half-day to watch it in the gym with one of those ancient projection screen TVs that probably cost 10,000 bucks at the time. I remembered enjoying it very much. I haven't seen it since though so I don't remember much about it.

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I'm just going to go ahead and shoot all credibility I have when it comes to movies and say that I even enjoyed Tin Cup, and Waterworld was a great movie (if you don't take it too seriously).

Best line in Waterworld? "Oh Thank God!"

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Another film that was shit all over when it came out is "Dance With Wolves".

The end of this film upsets me.

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The very last few scenes when Costner's character and his wife were riding off separate from the Dakota. Those scenes showed what would become the end of an entire culture JSF. The Horse culture that was part of my ancestors and the Cheyenne and the Dakota and the Crow was coming to an end. That band would end up on a reservation. Way of life GONE.

Also at the end of the film, he wasn't in the army anymore. He had become Indian.

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Costner's character rejoining the army would not have stopped anything. This film is set during the American expansion further into the West. There was no making the army stop hunting this band of Dakota.

Ceeehrist, JSF are you really that obtuse not to see that the army paved the way into the West and with that the conflict and the confrontations that occurred?

Were we just suppose to roll over and play dead because the White man wanted OUR land?

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Because a German map maker named it after Amerigo Vespucci because he was the first person to prove that America was a "New World" so he called it Amerigo but accidentally miss spelled it so it America.

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Another film that was shit all over when it came out is "Dance With Wolves".

The end of this film upsets me.

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Did you want him to stay so the Army would hunt down and destroy the tribe?

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The very last few scenes when Costner's character and his wife were riding off separate from the Dakota. Those scenes showed what would become the end of an entire culture JSF. The Horse culture that was part of my ancestors and the Cheyenne and the Dakota and the Crow was coming to an end. That band would end up on a reservation. Way of life GONE.

Also at the end of the film, he wasn't in the army anymore. He had become Indian.

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OK. So you are not upset that he tried to stave off the inevitable by returning to the Army so they would stop hunting down the tribe. You're only bemoaning the inevitable, the point of the film.

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Costner's character rejoining the army would not have stopped anything. This film is set during the American expansion further into the West. There was no making the army stop hunting this band of Dakota.

Ceeehrist, JSF are you really that obtuse not to see that the army paved the way into the West and with that the conflict and the confrontations that occurred?

Were we just suppose to roll over and play dead because the White man wanted OUR land?

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Well... this thread got too political for me. SGG coming in and putting a thick coating of white guilt on it sealed the deal for me.

It's a shame we can't discuss anything here without politics muddying the waters.

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