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Tuesday, May 13, 2014 7:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. Is Cruise working up an arc with Minority Report, Reacher, Oblivion, and now Edge of Tomorrow? I know some didn't pay attention to Oblivion, but it was another movie where the cinema audience which didn't pay attention during the showing were confused at the end, and those who did were explaining it to them. Sure, Reacher is a book series, but the flick was portrayed as a puzzle to solve until the last part.
Maybe Inception struck a chord.
Is he trying to copy Arnold's arc of Terminator, Predator, Total Recall? Or Paxton with Terminator, Weird Science (wasn't deep, but got him face time), Aliens? Or Biehn with Terminator, Aliens, Seventh Seal, Abyss? Or Pitt with Seven, 12 Monkeys, Sleepers?

I'm sure many have discounted Cruise's roles, but maybe his production partner is picking them better now.
Any comments?

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Tuesday, May 13, 2014 9:57 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I haven't seen Reacher and I thought Oblivion was a big hot mess, but I'll still be seeing Edge of Tomorrow. I don't judge a film by who is in it or who directed, because I've been burned too many times by projects from former favorites (Prometheus comes to mind). I take them each as they come and judge accordingly.

Plus, any film with Emily Blunt can't be total waste.



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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. . . .
Any comments?

Some of the trailers make the story look more complicated than it is, but not this one. The movie is based on a straight forward book.

This is Tom Cruise's point of view in the novel. Emily Blunt is “red Jacket”.
Quote:

I decided not to die with three rounds left in my pile driver.
I lifted a leg. I put a hand on one knee.
I stood.
I screamed. I forced myself to keep going.
The red Jacket turned to me. I heard some noise over my headphones, but I couldn’t tell what she was trying to say.

One of the Mimics in the pack stood out from the rest. It wasn’t that it looked different from the others. Just another drowned, bloated frog. But there was something about it that set it apart. Maybe proximity to death had sharpened my senses, but somehow I knew that was the one I was meant to fight.

So that’s what I did. I leapt at the Mimic and it lashed out at me with its tail. I felt my body lighten. One of my arms had been cut off. The right arm—leaving the pile driver on the left intact. Lucky me. I pulled the trigger.

The charge fired, a perfect ninety-degree angle.
One more shot. A hole opened in the thing’s carapace.
One more shot. I blacked out.

Sakurazaka, Hiroshi; translated by Smith, Alexander O. (2011-09-05). All You Need Is Kill (Kindle Locations 189-198). Haikasoru/VIZ Media. Kindle Edition.

Adapting the book to a movie was easy, not like Apocalypse Now adapted from Heart of Darkness.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:50 AM

AURAPTOR

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Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.

Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.

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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.

Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.

This will be another high energy Mission Impossible rather than another snooze Oblivion. Even the name said what Oblivion was. Instead of killing a thousand confused Tom Cruise clones in Oblivion, the one true Tom Cruise gets killed a thousand times, which has got to be a dramatic improvement.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Yep, I figured some here were not Cruise fans.
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.

Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.


??? Scientology is future based? His films are based on his religion/cult?
I'm not familiar with this (nor really Scientology other than in passing), care to elaborate? Like the relationship between his career, other films made by scientologists?

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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:11 PM

STORYMARK


I found Oblivion to be fun, though highly derivative.

I really liked Jack Reacher, and am glad they're working on another.

This, Ill definitely check out. The script was supposedly really good, and I like what Ive seen in the trailers. And while the "Groundhog Day" scenario is hardly original, I dont recall Bill Murray fighting aliens, so Im confident it'll be different enough to stand out.



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Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:13 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.



Uh, oh kay....

Its based on a book (All You Need is Kill), that has nothing to do with Scientology... and had been greenlit as a film long before Cruise was involved.

But yeah, whatever....



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Friday, May 16, 2014 3:39 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Here, here! Prometheus does come to mind......I mean Ridley Scott for crying out loud. My guess is that Cruise and company are going for the actioners with a bit of thinking thrown into the mix.

Oblivion was a bad Twilight Zone episode, although I give points for style, but that's about it. But I like the previews to Edge of Tomorrow, looks good, I just hope that it has a good script.

The one BIG plus it has going for it is Emily Blunt. I could watch her read the Encyclopedia Britannica, she is just such a cutie and as down to earth as I dreamed she would be. The fact that she married John Krasinki softened the blow a bit (I happen to like the dude, lucky stiff). I once saw her down 3 shots of Tequila at the Toronto Film Festival with Guillermo on Jimmy Kimmel Live. My kind of gal.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I haven't seen Reacher and I thought Oblivion was a big hot mess, but I'll still be seeing Edge of Tomorrow. I don't judge a film by who is in it or who directed, because I've been burned too many times by projects from former favorites (Prometheus comes to mind). I take them each as they come and judge accordingly.

Plus, any film with Emily Blunt can't be total waste.




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Friday, May 16, 2014 3:48 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


My guess is that Cruise is going for the older roles, sort of in the Arnold vein, some action but the kind of film that makes you think. I really liked Knight and Day (that "With me/Without me" skit had me rolling with laughter) a comedy/action thriller. Oh and the last Mission Impossible was solid, until the end (that ending was a bit lame) otherwise a very good M.I. movie.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. Is Cruise working up an arc with Reacher, Oblivion, and now Edge of Tomorrow? I know some didn't pay attention to Oblivion, but it was another movie where the cinema audience which didn't pay attention during the showing were confused at the end, and those who did were explaining it to them. Sure, Reacher is a book series, but the flick was portrayed as a puzzle to solve until the last part.
Maybe Inception struck a chord.
Is he trying to copy Arnold's arc of Terminator, Predator, Total Recall? Or Paxton with Terminator, Weird Science (wasn't deep, but got him face time), Aliens? Or Biehn with Terminator, Aliens, Seventh Seal, Abyss? Or Pitt with Seven, 12 Monkeys, Sleepers?

I'm sure many have discounted Cruise's roles, but maybe his production partner is picking them better now.
Any comments?


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Friday, May 16, 2014 3:59 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I don't see any connection to scientology in his films. I happen to like most of his films, usually they're entertaining. Oblivion just had a poorly written script. I wanted so much to like it, but alas it failed.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yep, I figured some here were not Cruise fans.
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Looks like more of the futuristic, Scientology based go-se from Tom.

Not that Oblivion was a total train wreck. I mean, it wasn't Battlefield Earth, but it's getting a bit worn out.


??? Scientology is future based? His films are based on his religion/cult?
I'm not familiar with this (nor really Scientology other than in passing), care to elaborate? Like the relationship between his career, other films made by scientologists?


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Friday, May 16, 2014 10:12 AM

MUTT999



Reminds me of Source Code, but on steroids.



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Saturday, May 17, 2014 1:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt999:

Reminds me of Source Code, but on steroids.




Is that just impression from trailer, or you know the book/script?
Not sure if Source Code was only lacking due to the lead (was it Jake Gyllenhal?)

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Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.

Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.

And I might even go see it now, since I saw Emily Blunt being interviewed.

Wow. She is one frelling cool chick!

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 8:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I saw Emily Blunt being interviewed.

Wow. She is one frelling cool chick!

Was it this interview where she talks about burping her baby and her movie exo-suit being so heavy she cried?
Emily Blunt FULL Interview on Ellen show May 14, 2014



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Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


you can't tell me she's not adorable, hot, smart, funny and cool...

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Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:45 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
you can't tell me she's not adorable, hot, smart, funny and cool...


Well, I could, but I'd be lying.



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Monday, May 19, 2014 12:15 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Is that just impression from trailer, or you know the book/script?
Not sure if Source Code was only lacking due to the lead (was it Jake Gyllenhal?)



Well, they are both centered around a time-loop scenario. The "Groundhog Day" set-up.



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Monday, May 19, 2014 6:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.

Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.



I was not offended. I just didn't understand the context or comparison. Was hoping you would enlighten me about what you were referring to.

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Monday, May 19, 2014 10:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.

Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.



I was not offended. I just didn't understand the context or comparison. Was hoping you would enlighten me about what you were referring to.



The only one who was offended is one who always looks for ways to get annoyed by things I say, no matter what.

Tom Cruise, in the future, battling aliens... pretty much what we've seen from him in Oblivion and w/ John Travolta in Battlefield Earth.

Scientology is steep w/ the whole advanced alien stuff in their made up religion. Just figured it was more of his religious based propaganda being passed off as action / sci-fi.

That it DOES involve aliens and the future, hell, that might be close enough for him to have taken the job anyways. Even if it's not connected to scientology.

Same again goes for Will Smith, in his goofy futuristic movie w/ his kid. I don't think it's any coincidence that so many scientology stars end up doing sci-fi movies. Their cult leader was , after all, a sci-fi writer.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
I said LOOKS LIKE, and from the trailer, it does.

Why or how that offends anyone, I really don't care.



I was not offended. I just didn't understand the context or comparison. Was hoping you would enlighten me about what you were referring to.



The only one who was offended is one who always looks for ways to get annoyed by things I say, no matter what.

Tom Cruise, in the future, battling aliens... pretty much what we've seen from him in Oblivion and w/ John Travolta in Battlefield Earth.

Scientology is steep w/ the whole advanced alien stuff in their made up religion. Just figured it was more of his religious based propaganda being passed off as action / sci-fi.

That it DOES involve aliens and the future, hell, that might be close enough for him to have taken the job anyways. Even if it's not connected to scientology.

Same again goes for Will Smith, in his goofy futuristic movie w/ his kid. I don't think it's any coincidence that so many scientology stars end up doing sci-fi movies. Their cult leader was , after all, a sci-fi writer.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


Thanks. Didn't know Scientology was into aliens.

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 6:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Oh, there be aliens a plenty w/ the Scientology.

Xenu (/'zi?nu?/ zee-noo),[1][2][3] was, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who 75 million years ago brought billions[4][5] of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans of these many people remained, and that they cling to people, causing them spiritual harm.[1][6]

These events are known within Scientology as "Incident II",[7] and the traumatic memories associated with them as "The Wall of Fire" or the R6 implant. The narrative of Xenu is part of Scientologist teachings about extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in earthly events, collectively described as "space opera" by Hubbard. Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, warning that the R6 "implant" (past trauma)[8] was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia, etc.) anyone who attempts to solve it".[8][9][10]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu


Seriously, you can't make this stuff..., well, actually you CAN!

HA!

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:57 PM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?


I liked Oblivion...it's just hat Tommy's ego is so friggin huge you have to lean over in your seat to see the movie from around his bloated head!

Oblivion was perfect.. I mean..a million Toms...and he gets to fight himself...it's his ultimate dream flick come true..

that said... I look forward to this movie.. course we'll place bets as to how many minutes into the movie it'll take before he has hist shirt/clothes off...

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Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:06 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I did like it when a million Tom's died.

So yeah, it was a decent flick.

This one will probably be better.

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Friday, May 23, 2014 4:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


How many Toms you conjure die in this one?

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Friday, May 23, 2014 8:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How many Toms you conjure die in this one?



It's only how long a movie ? Can't be a full ship load.

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Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Maybe the reason I like the looks is I have a weakness for time travel concepts.
Groundhog Day wasn't really that.

Saw EoT trailer again, makes me think of the paradox possibilities even if it's not strictly time travel. Or parallel universe travel.

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Thursday, June 5, 2014 6:03 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Maybe the reason I like the looks is I have a weakness for time travel concepts.
Groundhog Day wasn't really that.

Saw EoT trailer again, makes me think of the paradox possibilities even if it's not strictly time travel. Or parallel universe travel.




Hey JSF,

I recently took a glimpse at a positive review (I skimmed over it to see the final word) and all indications is that this is a good one. It is somewhat between Groundhog Day and time travel concept. A recent trailer shows that it's more like a time loop, in the style of Looper (also starring our gal Emily Blunt).

As an aside, I happen to like the better title of: All You Need is Kill.

This is gonna be so AWESOME! ahem, SHINY!


SGG

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 12:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Saw it last night. Theater was about 10% occupied, while that chick flick was sold out all showings, and the corridors of the Cinemaplex were filled with those in lines for the next showings.

I didn't think it a parallel to Groundhog Day, but I was reminded of Galaxy Quest. Any GQ fans want to guess the name of the device in EoT? I also found it similar in some ways to Aliens.

I was expecting to enjoy it and I did. I don't want to give away which parts I liked most.

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Saturday, June 7, 2014 5:14 PM

MAL4PREZ


Just saw it in 3d IMAX. Was thoroughly satisfied. (No spoilers to follow.)

I hate Tom cruise with a passion because he a cultish freak. But the point of this movie is not him. (If I'd thought it was, I wouldn't have gone to see it!) He fills the role all right, but really it's all about the writers and the effects. The effects, as you'd expect of a big budget film, are fabulous. The writing is the real star. In a fun thrill ride kind of way.

It's no Primer, nothing that I'll be watching 20 times to enjoy the over the top brilliance, but I'll likely see in the theater another time or two just for how visually awesome it is and more so for how cleverly it intertwined the plot and the story telling. Probably only people who have tried to tell/write a story will really know what I mean there: sometimes you have to make plot choices base on the way you will be telling the story. If you do it well, the audience won't never suspect, it will just work.

Momento, another movie that plays with time, is like that. The plot itself is nothing spectacular, which you can witness if you see an edit of the movie told in proper time sequence. But told in short scenes that run backward in time: brilliant.

EoT had that Groundhog Day repetition and made ful use of the possibilities, but still managed to move the story on to new settings and new plot twists in a way that was seamless and clear and completely reasonable. I am a physicist; it is rare that I see time travel movies that I watch once and find reasonable.

Which is also a bit of the weakness in this movie for me. I am so completely sure of what I saw, so completely satisfied with it, that probably one more viewing will be enough for me. Unlike primer, which I've seen at least 20 times and will likely watch 20 more. EoT is kind of a bit of fluff. Really fun, really satisfying fluff that did what it meant to do damned near perfectly.

And yes, Emily Blunt rocks. It also helps that Tom cruise's character starts off as a bit of a douche, so my distaste for the man fit right in.


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Saturday, June 7, 2014 6:12 PM

MAL4PREZ


BTW, JSF, we could embark in a real interesting discussion of this movie now, because the real you and I have a lot in common. Too bad that you can't just be yourself and take part in an honest discussion. All your socky game playing destroys that possibility.

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Sunday, June 8, 2014 12:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Not seen it, and might not, but man, Emily is a absolute stunner. Keep seeing her on interview shows ( Graham Norton most recently ) and she keeps telling the same story about just having her baby, and the nurse's comments.

My god, the woman does accents amazingly! Too damn funny.

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Sunday, June 8, 2014 4:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Just saw it in 3d IMAX. Was thoroughly satisfied. (No spoilers to follow.)

I hate Tom cruise with a passion because he a cultish freak. But the point of this movie is not him. (If I'd thought it was, I wouldn't have gone to see it!) He fills the role all right, but really it's all about the writers and the effects. The effects, as you'd expect of a big budget film, are fabulous. The writing is the real star. In a fun thrill ride kind of way.

It's no Primer, nothing that I'll be watching 20 times to enjoy the over the top brilliance, but I'll likely see in the theater another time or two just for how visually awesome it is and more so for how cleverly it intertwined the plot and the story telling. Probably only people who have tried to tell/write a story will really know what I mean there: sometimes you have to make plot choices base on the way you will be telling the story. If you do it well, the audience won't never suspect, it will just work.

Momento, another movie that plays with time, is like that. The plot itself is nothing spectacular, which you can witness if you see an edit of the movie told in proper time sequence. But told in short scenes that run backward in time: brilliant.

EoT had that Groundhog Day repetition and made ful use of the possibilities, but still managed to move the story on to new settings and new plot twists in a way that was seamless and clear and completely reasonable. I am a physicist; it is rare that I see time travel movies that I watch once and find reasonable.

Which is also a bit of the weakness in this movie for me. I am so completely sure of what I saw, so completely satisfied with it, that probably one more viewing will be enough for me. Unlike primer, which I've seen at least 20 times and will likely watch 20 more. EoT is kind of a bit of fluff. Really fun, really satisfying fluff that did what it meant to do damned near perfectly.

And yes, Emily Blunt rocks. It also helps that Tom cruise's character starts off as a bit of a douche, so my distaste for the man fit right in.


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Gorram it! Get out of my head, Mal4Prez.

Okay, I have to say it. Brilliant review, spot on, Bulls Eye!
I agree that the writers really made this movie work for me, much more so than the FX, but special mention should go to them for the look of the film.
Awesome work all around. The writers worked their magic with the set ups and plot line - perfectly - so much so that this is damn near the perfect movie.
I say damn near because I had one itsy-bitsy, teenie-weenie problem: the aliens. But this is a less than minor quibble on my part.

I said to my son, who went with me, that I loved how they explained the whole premise within the story without spoon feeding it to the audience. I may be repeating myself here, but brilliant writing and credit must go to the director as well. Bill Paxton, you gotta love him. Emily Blunt, the perfect woman - tough yet feminine - perfectly cast as the female lead and equal to the task opposite Tom Cruise. No question this was a guy's movie, but it had something for the ladies as well. A little destiny music if you please.

I like your comparisons to Momento, and of course, Groundhog Day. I loved the start-over sequences, the soldier banter and how they meet. But I wasn't sure of the reversal, the moment the hero discovers his truth, that wasn't clear to me. Again though, minor in the grand scheme of the movie's story line. Which I found satisfying just the way you said it - complete and clear - everyone knew the mission and why. Then they spring the uncertainty of what the future holds and you feel that they could lose it all. You feel for the heroes and you want them to succeed. Again, brilliant writing.

The ending - What did you think? Me, I wanted to see something different. A different point of view. Reverse the POV. Otherwise, we are in agreement; damn near perfect movie.

Next time I will see it in IMAX 3D.


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Sunday, June 8, 2014 5:07 AM

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I saw Emily Blunt being interviewed.

Wow. She is one frelling cool chick!

Was it this interview where she talks about burping her baby and her movie exo-suit being so heavy she cried?
Emily Blunt FULL Interview on Ellen show May 14, 2014



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I absolutely love Emily Blunt. She's awesome as Sargent Vitarski and it was so cool for them to give her the Final Fantasy "Sword" as her weapon of choice. To see her in action took me back to Firefly and Zoe, warrior woman who kicks ass.

O Bliss and heaven-spun gold!


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Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:20 PM

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Has no one else gone to see this?

Hey, I'm in large part overjoyed at the poor ratings because I want to see the Cult Man's movie returns go to crap as a message of what the USA thinks of his cult way of living. FAIL you Scientology freak LOL! Get a real life before you try selling us a movie!

And yet... The goodness of this movie is not the the lead actor cult freak with the nice hair. I'm sad to say that anyone who avoids this movie based on Tom Cruise disgust is really missing something worthwhile, something created by a whole bunch of non-cult folks who deserve recognition.

If only they had cast it differently, I would love this movie all out.

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Has no one else gone to see this?

. . . I'm sad to say that anyone who avoids this movie based on Tom Cruise disgust is really missing something worthwhile, something created by a whole bunch of non-cult folks who deserve recognition.

Maybe not getting recognition, but the movie is selling many more tickets than Serenity did.

Edge of Tomorrow, according to www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=allyouneediskill.htm
Tickets USA: $84,155,000
+ Foreign: $234,500,000
= Worldwide: $318,655,000

That $318,655,000 after 4 weekends is more "recognition" than Serenity's Worldwide Ticket sales of $38,869,464 after 7 weekends.
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=serenity.htm

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Monday, June 30, 2014 3:25 PM

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There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I did go to see it a couple of weeks ago, and I liked it. Not sure why it took so long to write my review.

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Monday, June 30, 2014 3:27 PM

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I have not, not gone to see it because who is in it. I am waiting for it to hit Netflix. The next movie I am going to see is Serenity in August. They do it every year here.

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Monday, June 30, 2014 7:54 PM

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BTW, JSF, we could embark in a real interesting discussion of this movie now, because the real you and I have a lot in common. Too bad that you can't just be yourself and take part in an honest discussion.


Did you fill this in, edit after I read it? Don't recall seeing this.

Note: this is not RWED.

What discussion? Have you seen Galaxy Quest?

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Thursday, July 3, 2014 4:30 PM

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If only they had cast it differently, I would love this movie all out.
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Okay, let's say you were casting this movie, who, pray tell, would grace the screen.

Curious minds want to know!


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Thursday, July 3, 2014 4:40 PM

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Has no one else gone to see this?

Hey, I'm in large part overjoyed at the poor ratings because I want to see the Cult Man's movie returns go to crap as a message of what the USA thinks of his cult way of living. FAIL you Scientology freak LOL! Get a real life before you try selling us a movie!

And yet... The goodness of this movie is not the the lead actor cult freak with the nice hair. I'm sad to say that anyone who avoids this movie based on Tom Cruise disgust is really missing something worthwhile, something created by a whole bunch of non-cult folks who deserve recognition.

If only they had cast it differently, I would love this movie all out.

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I took my brother to see this while on vacation and he really liked it. Now, you have to understand, my brother is a very discerning moviegoer, plus he's not a big Tom Cruise fan. Actually he likes movies that have a plot and story. I told him little, other than the fact it was funny and entertaining. He went on my recommendation, but begrudgingly so.

I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).

T'was better the second time around.


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Thursday, July 3, 2014 5:34 PM

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I did go to see it a couple of weeks ago, and I liked it. Not sure why it took so long to write my review.

http://templetongate.net/edgeoftomorrow.htm





Hey EC,

I really appreciate your review and found myself nodding in agreement throughout. What I liked most is how you broke it down and explained the premise. It was pretty much that way in the film by primarily using humor and wit to peel away the onion layers. Bravo to the screenwriters, and director, for using that technique wisely sprinkling the action with those bits. It never felt forced or contrived, but cleverly revealed setting up the next and keeping the audience on it's toes. We knew it was coming, but we didn't know what.

I especially agree with 2 things you bring up:
1- Tom Cruise looked a bit old, particularly in the opening sequence
2- I did not like the ending, I wanted a different point of view
(I don't want to give any spoilers here)

You make a good point in that perhaps Channing Tatum (I'm happy to see he's in Jupiter Ascending) or Ryan Gosling would have been a better, or a younger choice (Plus the fact that Oblivion sort of bombed). Might I suggest: Joseph Gordon-Levitt (33), Taylor Kitsch (also 33) or Jake Gyllenhaal (34).

But, I must admit, I found the chemistry between Cruise and Blunt to be very strong. By the way, Emily Blunt, as Vrataski, could kick my ass any day - What a woman warrior. She reminded me of Zoe; with that no-nonsense, take-no-prisoners, out of my way attitude. She totally fit the casting as the Full Metal Bitch. I know that it's not politically correct to say the B word referring to the character of the female persuasion, but, in this case, it's meant as a compliment. I do prefer the "Angel of Verdun" it lends a type of mystical quality to her character - much like Joan of Arc. I contend that the ending would have been better had they used Orleans as the backdrop for the final battle instead of the Louvre. But that's me.

I agree wholeheartedly about Bill Paxton, he should get a Supporting Actor in a comedy nod (perhaps the Golden Globes). He was absolutely brilliant as Master Sargent Farrell.

By the way, I read an article that said there was some trouble finishing the script with some disagreement on how to end the film. One scenario had a rather bleak final outcome. And in another article, Sean O'Connell of Cinema Blend wrote that Tom Cruise pushed for the comedy and happy ending. He also intimates that American movie goers didn't even give this movie a chance, $85 million, but overseas it's making a killing $234 million. I thought the D-day reference would have drawn in both on an equal footing, but c'est la vie.


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Thursday, July 3, 2014 6:05 PM

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I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).

T'was better the second time around.

SGG


Do you mean why did the Omega select the location of the helicopter scene for it's significance? I thought that was explained well.

You wanted the ending to be told from a different point of view, or the whole film? From a different character's PoV? What?

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Thursday, July 3, 2014 7:08 PM

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Hi all. Haven't had a chance to write a good reply here, especially since I burned out my laptop. :/. But now due to yet another wiring problem on the lovely .$@#ing metro north, I'm going to be stuck on this stupid train for some time.

So - SGG, sorry I never replied to your post way up. Yes, we saw it much the same. Except I'm confused as to what you meant by the hero seeing his truth. And what was your quibble with the aliens?

Maybe we need some spoiler discussion re the ending...

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What irks people? Do we mean Paris? Or that it backed up one extra day after the omega was killed so that d-day never happened? Or that on the final timeline our hero never actually talked to our FMB?

Honestly, I kind of liked how it cut off. I like imagining him explaining it all to her, and her reaction. That would be fun, but couldn't be done in the film. Nice thing to imagine while leaving the theater.

As for backing up a day, it made sense. It totally fit into the arc that he didn't deserve his rank and uniform initially, but after all his heroics he did, and his cowardly act of desertion was wiped out. Yes, it was very pat and neat. But it fit the arc. I too want to read the story it was based on and see what happened there.

So I agree that there is something annoying about how tight and happy-happy it all was, which is what I meant in my first review. I can't explain it, but I prefer to be left a little more... Not confused, but something like that. It was just too neat. But I can't really fault it because it was all explained and set up very well.




So, on to the casting. Emily Blunt = perfection. No doubt there.

Tom... Well, actually, he was quite good. I don't think he's too old at all. It fit the plot that the character had to be an untrained noob, but smart and of high rank, and his history as an adman was funny and fit well. It totally worked in terms of him being so dislikable at first, so I could get over how much I don't like the actor. I like to think that wasn't an accident. The writers knew.

But I don't see much else as a plot adjustment made just so they could cast Tom. The age thing, I mean. It was basic to the story that he had to be a dork with absolutely no combat training to start. How else could that be true of a grunt? And him being high rank allowed as to meet the top commander guy at the beginning. A grunt wouldn't get that. And if he wasn't a noob, we wouldn't need all those great training scenes with the FMB. (I like that name lol!)

My problem is my own bias, really. Tom played it perfectly. I can't fault him, don't know who else I'd cast there. I just hate the idea of providing any kind of support to this despiccable man. I don't think the movie would be better with a different male lead, but I'd feel better about liking it.

The only name I'd throw out there is Jeremy Renner, but that's only because I had a wicked crush on him for a while. :) until he sucked in the avengers, that is.



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Monday, July 7, 2014 3:18 PM

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Hi all. Haven't had a chance to write a good reply here, especially since I burned out my laptop. :/. But now due to yet another wiring problem on the lovely .$@#ing metro north, I'm going to be stuck on this stupid train for some time.

So - SGG, sorry I never replied to your post way up. Yes, we saw it much the same. Except I'm confused as to what you meant by the hero seeing his truth. And what was your quibble with the aliens?

Maybe we need some spoiler discussion re the ending...

Select to view spoiler:



What irks people? Do we mean Paris? Or that it backed up one extra day after the omega was killed so that d-day never happened? Or that on the final timeline our hero never actually talked to our FMB?

Honestly, I kind of liked how it cut off. I like imagining him explaining it all to her, and her reaction. That would be fun, but couldn't be done in the film. Nice thing to imagine while leaving the theater.

As for backing up a day, it made sense. It totally fit into the arc that he didn't deserve his rank and uniform initially, but after all his heroics he did, and his cowardly act of desertion was wiped out. Yes, it was very pat and neat. But it fit the arc. I too want to read the story it was based on and see what happened there.

So I agree that there is something annoying about how tight and happy-happy it all was, which is what I meant in my first review. I can't explain it, but I prefer to be left a little more... Not confused, but something like that. It was just too neat. But I can't really fault it because it was all explained and set up very well.




So, on to the casting. Emily Blunt = perfection. No doubt there.

My problem is my own bias, really. Tom played it perfectly. I can't fault him, don't know who else I'd cast there. I just hate the idea of providing any kind of support to this despiccable man. I don't think the movie would be better with a different male lead, but I'd feel better about liking it.

The only name I'd throw out there is Jeremy Renner, but that's only because I had a wicked crush on him for a while. :) until he sucked in the avengers, that is.



Althought I'm a TC fan, would you have considered Bill Paxton or Michael Biehn in the lead role? Jason Statham? Matt Damon? Ryan Reynolds - maybe too much funny? John Cho, channeling Sulu?

As I'm trying to think of others in the role, that "helmet gets in the way" line is a killer.

What was FMB?





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Her reaction would have been the same as in the film. No different. Each time in the film, in fact - her reaction was the same each time.

Cowardly act of desertion?? When was that? How did he do that?

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Monday, July 7, 2014 7:33 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Althought I'm a TC fan, would you have considered Bill Paxton or Michael Biehn in the lead role? Jason Statham? Matt Damon? Ryan Reynolds - maybe too much funny? John Cho, channeling Sulu?


-Bill Paxton was perfect in the role he had. I wouldn't move him.
-Matt Damon maybe. He's got acting chops, both in comedy and action.
-The others you mention I don't know well enough to guess.

In general, I almost always prefer an unknown. I think there are enough talented people out there that I'd prefer less recycling and more chances to see a fresh face that hasn't already played countless characters. I could believe them more easily if I didn't have those previous roles in mind. But casting is as much about marketing as it is making a good movie, so a larger pool of lead actors will never happen. The audience as a whole buys into big names they already know and like.

Which, ironically, is IMHO the reason this rather excellent film flopped in the US. Too much :/ about Tom and his cult kept people away, fearing this was another Battlefield Earth.


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As I'm trying to think of others in the role, that "helmet gets in the way" line is a killer.
Yeah, Tom did well at going from wimpy coward to bad-ass soldier. I'll give him that. He played both sides very well.

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Full Metal Beeatch



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Her reaction would have been the same as in the film. No different. Each time in the film, in fact - her reaction was the same each time.
I lost this - what are you referring to?

Oh, the ending. Right. But come on, in the final ending it's totally different. There's no action to be taken, no chance for them to see the attack happen and take part in it, just a big huge victory to be enjoyed though they have no direct experience of it. Imagine Cage and FMB and the science guy going for a cup of coffee or a beer or likely both, with a few meals in between, while he told them the whole story of how the three of them, and J squad, won the war.

In fact, if I was going to write this thing as a short story, (not as a novel probably, that'd be a stretch) I would tell it that way. Imagine being one of those other two and hearing about everything you did, of what a hero you are, though you have no memory of it and no one else will ever know about it. That's a good yarn.


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Cowardly act of desertion?? When was that? How did he do that?
Really? All that wriggling to get out of going to the beach with the first wave, including trying to blackmail the general, then running from the MPs, then trying to play Paxton's sargeant, then trying to run while loading up on the attack transport, then running yet a third time from the beach? The writers couldn't have tried harder to sell what a coward this man was!

You can't really like TC enough to have missed what a complete loser his character was at the beginning of the film, can you?

It was a little out of control at the end, pushing the point that he'd finally earned his rank. He goes to find FMB, and the always noble French horns take over the soundtrack as all the other soldiers come to attention as he enters the room. Compare this to the first time he came in as a private and they all gave him the evil eye.

Message from the whiny French horns: he's now really a Major. Atten-hut and give him the respect he deserves cause now he deserves it!

Yeah, that moment was a bit cheesy.

(I've never been a fan of French horns in movie soundtracks. I'm looking at you, LoTR.)


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Althought I'm a TC fan, would you have considered Bill Paxton or Michael Biehn in the lead role? Jason Statham? Matt Damon? Ryan Reynolds - maybe too much funny? John Cho, channeling Sulu?


-Bill Paxton was perfect in the role he had. I wouldn't move him.
-Matt Damon maybe. He's got acting chops, both in comedy and action.
-The others you mention I don't know well enough to guess.


Biehn - Terminator (Kyle Reese, father of JC), Aliens (Cpl Hicks)?
John Cho - Star Trek reboot (Sulu)
recognize them?
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As I'm trying to think of others in the role, that "helmet gets in the way" line is a killer.

Yeah, Tom did well at going from wimpy coward to bad-ass soldier. I'll give him that. He played both sides very well.



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Her reaction would have been the same as in the film. No different. Each time in the film, in fact - her reaction was the same each time.
I lost this - what are you referring to?

Oh, the ending. Right. But come on, in the final ending it's totally different.


No, not to her, or the science guy. She has no memories of all the other times, every single time he reboots, every time she must take him at his word, she is the only one who truly knows how it goes, she knows he is not BSing her, but the science guy might need her to convince him. Every single time she knows she would have told him to find her after he woke up that time 2,000 reboots ago. The end would be no different for her, just the same as every other time that didn't happen for her, just like every other time he had to give her the synopsis - he probably had it down to a boilerplate before long. She would KNOW he was telling the truth, and nothing she could do would change anything. She would KNOW that he was gracing her with the knowledge that he alone possessed, to the degree that he wont, or not. EVERY SINGLE TIME he rebooted, she HAD TO take him at his word, and she KNEW that was how it would be.
There would be no victory celebration because he could not tell anybody but her and the science guy, nobody else would understand.
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There's no action to be taken, no chance for them to see the attack happen and take part in it, just a big huge victory to be enjoyed though they have no direct experience of it. Imagine Cage and FMB and the science guy going for a cup of coffee or a beer or likely both, with a few meals in between, while he told them the whole story of how the three of them, and J squad, won the war.


Yes, that is how it would be.
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In fact, if I was going to write this thing as a short story, (not as a novel probably, that'd be a stretch) I would tell it that way. Imagine being one of those other two and hearing about everything you did, of what a hero you are, though you have no memory of it and no one else will ever know about it. That's a good yarn.


Correct, but think of the tension KNOWING this was no mere yarn, it really happened, and she is the only one who understands this, and how much did he leave out?
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Cowardly act of desertion?? When was that? How did he do that?
Really? All that


No.
No. The General was being an ass. You might think of it as "first wave" and write them off. But those were supposed to be trained guys. He was not, absolutely not. He was wasting a suit/armor thing. He absolutely should not have been there. You might think him being shanghai'd was reasonable, but that reeks of Criminal acts under the UCMJ. He was trying to be reasonable. The general falsified documents, falsely accused him of desertion, framed him, the General was the weasel and coward. Not Cage.
Once on the beach, what do you expect him to do? He is not allowed to unsafe his "weapon" and knows he has been issued a death sentence, an execution by the General, without cause. He is more harm than good at that point, and he should make every effort to not board the transport, and make every effort to get out of the way of the trained squad he came down with, so that he might be able to do SOMETHING benefitial, which hanging out waiting to be executed was not the case.
Do you not understand the context?
The writers wrote a Catch-22, where the asinine General made a pre-emptive strike, and Cage only tried to cope from there on out.
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wriggling to get out of going to the beach with the first wave, including trying to blackmail the general, then running from the MPs, then trying to play Paxton's sargeant, then trying to run while loading up on the attack transport, then running yet a third time from the beach? The writers couldn't have tried harder to sell what a coward this man was!

You can't really like TC enough to have missed what a complete loser his character was at the beginning of the film, can you?


This subject has no bearing on TC playing the character. Maybe the book portrays this character differently, but the film does not portray the way you seem to envision. No reasonable person can claim that being shaghai'd and falsely accused and framed, and sentenced to summary execution without trial or Court-Martial is the fault of the victim.
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It was a little out of control at the end, pushing the point that he'd finally earned his rank. He goes to find FMB, and the always noble French horns take over the soundtrack as all the other soldiers come to attention as he enters the room.


wearing his correct rank, which had always been his correct rank, and had been his earned rank.
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Compare this to the first time he came in as a


Framed, falsely accused, and summarily sentenced to execution while falsely stripped of his rank. The false charges didn't even mention that he had been a, what? Captqain? Major?
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private and they all gave him the evil eye.

Message from the whiny French horns: he's now really a Major. Atten-hut and give him the respect he deserves cause now he deserves it!

Yeah, that moment was a bit cheesy.


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Monday, July 7, 2014 9:45 PM

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Yeah, gotta disagree with you about everything. The human race is at war, here's a guy actively involved in getting people to put their lives on the line, and yet he's unwilling to take any kind of chance himself, coddled and protected though he may be? COWARD is not an insulting enough word. Hypocrite either.

You clearly disagree JSF, but I'll bet you sweet coinage that the writers of this movie agree with me more than you. They went out of their way to show it. Cage did not earn that rank, not until he went through the training and the combat. He was not a soldier at the start, he was a poser. He wasn't a true Major until he went through the sweet crucible...

Did you not listen to Paxton?

“You’re a coward and a liar putting your life above theirs. The good news is there’s hope for you, private. Hope in the form of glorious combat. Battle is the great redeemer. The fire and crucible in which the only true heroes are forged. The one place where all men truly share the same rank, regardless of what kind of parasitic scum they were going in. … I envy you, Cage. Tomorrow morning you will be baptized — born again.”

That line is not accident, JSF. It is the theme of the movie! Good lord, open your eyes!

Or try this reviewer:
http://douglasernstblog.com/2014/06/08/edge-of-tomorrow-through-readin
ess-and-discipline-tom-cruise-has-made-a-solid-sci-fi-movie
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Like ‘X-Men: Days of Future Past,’ Cruise’s ‘Edge of Tomorrow’ wants us to know that people can change. It is possible to turn a cowardly liar into a courageous hero. It is possible to overcome seemingly impossible odds. “Through readiness and discipline we are masters of our fate.”




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Tell you what else JSF: instead of getting into some silly "I'm right, no I'm right" here, let's wait until the DVD with all the extras comes out. Let's watch the commentary and such, and then let's see what the writers, directors, and actors have to say about the arc of TC's character.

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Tuesday, July 8, 2014 4:24 PM

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Tell you what else JSF: instead of getting into some silly "I'm right, no I'm right" here, let's wait until the DVD with all the extras comes out. Let's watch the commentary and such, and then let's see what the writers, directors, and actors have to say about the arc of TC's character.

What do you say?


In case you are interested, I'll try to explain some things.

Also, if using films and screenwriters as accurate comprehenders of military such as the ludicrous Few Good Men as our standard, then don't read further and stay in the fantasy world.

Do you think that a doctor, an MD, should be placed in command of a combat battalion? Even if he is a Colonel? Even if he has never attended War College or Potential Command Course? If he were, his battalion would be massacred at the first exchange of fire. He is not trained for the combat, he has been trained for the medical application of his talents and knowledge. Do you think military personnel respect him less because he is not "earned" rank, as you imply? The combat injured would much rather have a War College graduate without a smidgen of medical training cut him open and repair his insides? A person would have to be insane to suggest either.

MDs are not placed in command of combat units, infantry units, tanks, air or sea squadrons unless they are separately trained for those tasks and commands. That would be disasterous for all concerned, and the military would fail along with the government behind it.

JDs are not placed in command of combat units for the same reason, yet doctors and JAG officers raise in rank. Those are earned rank, regardless of what you wish to claim.

Magor Cage was not trained in combat tactics, techniques, strategy, just like JAGs and Medical Officers are not, unless they specifically pursue those courses. He has no business being in command of any size or level of combat unit, as the criminally despicable General assigned him to be, at least until he has had some training and experience at command, yet he has earned his rank.

The reason the Sgt said all that was because he had been given a stack of lies, a frame-up of a deserter profile, which had no basis in fact. He was lied to about the training and capabilities Cage had, although he had not had any.

Any reasonable person should be able to understand this.
If I was not clear, please point out what I didn't explain.

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