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The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes Failure Thread

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I think Apes is going to make toward the smaller end of the scale on my predicted final amount after seeing this pretty massive drop in the 2nd week.
I think Planet of the Apes is a failure is because Apes don't have tails. My prediction is that either the next Planet of the Apes has got to have talking monkeys with furry tails in key roles or else it will fail, too. Monkeys are so cute! They will bring in more children and thus a huge increase in ticket sales. Just kidding! Ape movies will be failures from now to eternity. 6ix, failure is not because Hollywood is advocating for a multi-racial human society by including many species of apes. These movies fail because the basic idea of talking animals as politicians and warriors lacks novelty.

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mixed reports on the budget, some say $165 million

and

$160 million?

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/box-office-kingdom-of-the-planet-of
-the-apes-opening-weekend-projections-1235994166/

some expect 180 million

72.7M overseas | 141.5M worldwide

https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/31999-kingdom-of-the-planet-o
f-the-apes-727m-overseas-1415m-worldwide/


It likely loses in any scenario.

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I think Apes is going to make toward the smaller end of the scale on my predicted final amount after seeing this pretty massive drop in the 2nd week.
I think Planet of the Apes is a failure is because Apes don't have tails. My prediction is that either the next Planet of the Apes has got to have talking monkeys with furry tails in key roles or else it will fail, too. Monkeys are so cute! They will bring in more children and thus a huge increase in ticket sales. Just kidding! Ape movies will be failures from now to eternity. 6ix, failure is not because Hollywood is advocating for a multi-racial human society by including many species of apes. These movies fail because the basic idea of talking animals as politicians and warriors lacks novelty.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


All that is indicating is that Hollywood is learning that it still has all of its old problems now that they've fired their entire DEI teams from top to bottom is that they're not going to get away with playing it safe and selling stuff they've already repackaged 100 times before during the middle of the worst economy seen in 2 generations without slashing those budgets accordingly.

Injecting Leftist ideology into every single movie and show stopped in 2023 when they realized how bad it was for business and the actors/writers gave them an opportunity to cancel 2/3rds of the projects they were working on and the ability to fire most of the problem elements. The few rare examples of woke trash that have come out this year were simply too far along to cancel and still got a release.

It's May freakin' 19th and Disney has yet to put a single movie in the theaters after losing nearly $1.5 Billion on woke trash last year.

People would still be going to see Apes right now if we had the economy of 2019 and 2020. But we have Joe Biden*'s 2024 economy and nobody is going to see Apes if it means they have to skip eating one day that week.

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Sunday, May 19, 2024 4:28 PM

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Bruce is predicting a pretty big 60% this weekend in the US for only $23.4 Million and a drop to 2nd place. He doesn't go into any detail at all about Apes in the prediction article.

Regardless of how it does Internationally, it should be quite a bit less of a drop than 60% simply because we get their new numbers for all week instead of just the weekend numbers. Typically if that film was doing well last year, it amounted to essentially doubling opening weekend's numbers. With a 60% drop in the US on 2nd weekend, maybe that amounts to 85% of the first weekend internationally?

Bruce's $23.4 Million added to the current worldwide total would be just shy of $171.5 Million worldwide.

Let's say 85% of last weekend's $75 Million on top of it.

So maybe we see around $235 Million come Monday?

Maybe Bruce is full of shit and it does $35 Million in the US this weekend and an extra $12 Million internationally and we're well over $250 Million on Monday?

Who knows.... It's all guessing right now.


I'd say I'm still pretty good at guessing even in the weird 2024 market.

$237,539,501 is the grand total right now with the internationals tallied and the Studio projections for the weekend.

Bruce predicted only $23.4 Million in the US this weekend, and the projections in the US are $26 Million.

That low prediction accounts for the $2.539 Million I was low on the worldwide prediction, which means that my international guess for the weekend was spot on.




It's now at 148.5% of the production budget.

My Low/High prediction for the final numbers was $350 Million to $475 Million. I'm still going with that number, but as I said after Friday's numbers came out I think it will be toward the lower end of that prediction and it will not break even.

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People would still be going to see Apes right now if we had the economy of 2019 and 2020. But we have Joe Biden*'s 2024 economy and nobody is going to see Apes if it means they have to skip eating one day that week.
Hollywood has always made more failures than movies that break even or make a profit because movies are crap. I can afford to buy dozens of tickets to every movie show at the closest theater but I don't go because it is crap.

Compare the economy of 2020 to 2024
https://www.google.com/search?q=compare+the+economy+of+2020+to+2024

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2024/03/22/the-economy-is
-much-stronger-than-four-years-ago/?sh=5d2664ca644b

The American Economy And People Are Much Better Off Than 4 Years Ago

By Christian Weller

Households Are Materially Better Off Than Four Years Ago

A Strong Economic Recovery Has Delivered for All Groups of Households

It is election season. This is a time when the question of whether people are materially better off than they were four years ago comes up. Comparing March 2024 to March 2020, when a once-in-a-century pandemic broke out, the answer is obviously a resounding yes. But, even considering the winter of 2024 relative to the months before the pandemic shows a stronger and more stable economy that delivered better material well-being for American families now than was the case back then.
Job Stability Is More Pronounced Than Before The Pandemic

The labor market experienced a very rapid recovery due to large fiscal policy interventions, a Center for American Progress report explains. Unemployment dropped sharply as jobs came roaring back. The unemployment rate averaged 3.6% in the three months before the pandemic struck in March 2020, slightly below the 3.8% for the past three months – from December 2023 to February 2024. Moreover, the average length of unemployment stood at 21.1 weeks before the pandemic and is now at 21.3 weeks. Based on these overall numbers, the labor market looks equally strong now than before the pandemic.

Other indicators suggest that workers are now in a more favorable labor market than they were immediately before the pandemic. For instance, data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that the rate of job openings to the number of people employed has been at 5.3% for the past three months, compared to 4.3% from December 2019 to February 2020. The rate of job openings is now still more than 20% higher than it was before the pandemic, giving workers more opportunities for economic mobility. At the same time, the rate of layoffs was 1% for the past three months, or more than 20% lower than in the winter of 2020, according to BLS data. Workers now face fewer threats to their job security than was the case four years ago.

The current job stability now also followed a longer period of labor market tranquility than was the case prior to the pandemic. By February 2024, the unemployment rate had been below 4% for 25 months in a row, the longest such stretch in more than 50 years. In comparison, the unemployment rate had been below 4% for 13 months before the pandemic hit the labor market in March 2020.

Workers care not only about finding a job but also about keeping it or finding a new one when they get laid off. By all measures, the current labor market is more stable than it was before the pandemic.
More Workers Receive Substantial Wage Gains

Widespread job stability has translated into broadly shared wage gains. Average hourly wages were about 1% higher in February 2024 than they were four years ago, according to BLS data. But those averages include workers who have been in the labor market for a long time and those who are newly employed. The changing mix of workers can provide misleading indications of wage growth.

Following the same workers over time to see their wage gains is a better measure of people’s economic security, a metric tracked by the Atlanta Fed. My Center for American Progress colleague, Brendan Duke, reports that a larger share of workers received annual wage increases above the inflation rate at the end of 2023 than was the case at the end of 2019. And a larger share of workers received inflation-adjusted wage gains above 5% in 2023 than was the case in 2019. Those wage gains were especially pronounced among younger workers — those who were between 25 and 34 years old in 2019 and between 29 and 38 years old in 2023. The persistent labor market stability over the past few years has meant that more workers are now able to see wage gains above inflation than four years ago.

Household Wealth Far Outpaces Income

Quarterly Federal Reserve data show that total household wealth – the difference between what people own and what they owe – was $156 trillion at the end of 2023, the equivalent of 7.5 times the average after-tax household income. At the end of 2019, that ratio was 7.1.

Additional data from the Fed show that wealth gains have been especially pronounced among younger households and Millennials. For example, the average wealth of Millennial households grew by 107.3% from December 2019 to September 2023, the last quarter for which data are available. In comparison, the average wealth of Generation-X households increased by 15.4%, that of Baby Boomer households by 9.1% and that of members of the Silent Generation by 22.1% during that time. Households were, on average, better prepared for an eventual economic emergency, for upward economic mobility, and for a secure retirement now than four years ago.

Homeownership Has Expanded

Increasing homeownership is a key aspect of the growth in average wealth. Somewhat larger shares of households have gained access to the wealth-building embedded in homeownership. The U.S. homeownership rate was 65.7% at the end of 2023, up from 65% at the end of 2019, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The gains in homeownership were especially pronounced among households with people ages 35 to 44, who saw an increase from 60.4% to 62% over that four-year period. This was the largest increase in homeownership among any age group.

Further, the homeownership rate of households with incomes below the median income increased from 51.4% at the end of 2019 to 53% at the end of 2023. In comparison, the homeownership rate of households with incomes above the median declined by 0.1 percentage points over the same period. The homeownership gains were especially pronounced among younger households and households with lower incomes, reflecting a fairly equitable economic recovery.

Households Face Lower Debt Burdens

Debt has become a mainstay of American households’ financial lives, but the debt burden has gone down over the past few years. The total amount of outstanding loans such as mortgages, credit card debt, student loan debt, and auto loans averaged 96.2% of after-tax income in December 2023, according to Fed data. In comparison, that ratio was 97.5% at the end of 2019. Mortgages fell from 64% to 63.6% of average tax income, credit card debt dropped from 6.7% to 6.3% of after-tax income and other debt — mainly student and auto loan debt — decreased from 18.9% to 18.1% of after-tax income over the past four years. Households gradually deleveraged — unburdening themselves of the high levels of debt.

The declines in debt also offset, to some degree, higher interest rate payments. The Federal Reserve reports that the debt service ratio — average debt payments to after-tax income — amounted to 9.8% at the end of 2023, slightly below the 10% at the end of 2019. Households have basically seen strong income gains amid a very quick economic recovery and a strong and stable labor market that have allowed them to reduce their debt burden over the past four years.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Not limited to Planet of the Apes and Ghostbusters, failure is Hollywood’s brand.

Challengers (2024) is a failure.
Production Budget: $55,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.4 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Challengers-(2024)#tab=summary

Pirates provide free copies of Challengers, reinforcing what is obvious: Hollywood makes crap.
https://yts.mx/movies/challengers-2024



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Sunday, May 19, 2024 9:54 PM

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Wow. Nobody wanted to see the movie where two dudes were fucking Zendaya? She's maybe a 7 out of 10 if you're drunk.

*yawn*



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6ix, accept the Truth: Failure is Habitual in Hollywood. Failing is not a unique condition caused by the economy, politics, or whatever bogeyman you are flogging 6ix.

8 Movies That Bombed So Hard They Bankrupted Studios

#8, The Golden Compass, New Line Cinema

#7, The Lady Vanishes, Hammer Productions

#6, Looney Tunes Back In Action, Warner Brothers Feature Animation

#5, It's a Wonderful Life, Liberty Films

#4, Battlefield Earth, Franchise Pictures

#3, Mars Needs Mums, Image Movers Digital

#2, Heavens Gate, United Artists

#1, Superman 4, The Quest for Peace, The Canon Group



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6ix, accept the Truth: Failure is Habitual in Hollywood. Failing is not a unique condition caused by the economy, politics, or whatever bogeyman you are flogging, 6ix.



Incorrect. Failure is NOT habitual in Hollywood. If it were, it would have collapsed a long time ago.

Your version of history, as is your version of pretty much everything, is a fantasy you made up in your head and will not be discussed here. Take it to Twitter.

Meanwhile, the studio execs have finally figured out what they were doing wrong these last 5 to 10 years and they're in the process of firing everyone involved. The writer/actor strikes backfired hugely and ended up being a great excuse to axe 2/3rds of them without any consequences.



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NPR (January 3, 2024): As 2023's strikes catch up with Hollywood, box office revenue is expected to drop

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/03/1222755601/as-2023s-strikes-catch-up-wi
th-hollywood-box-office-revenue-is-expected-to-drop

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After three consecutive years of box office gains, the film industry expects revenues to be sharply down in 2024. The reason: aftereffects of the strikes by writers and actors.



WorldMetrics.org: Hollywood Industry Statistics

https://worldmetrics.org/hollywood-industry-statistics/

2018 and 2019 were the crowning years, despite the woke train in full effect.

They still had their Billion per Marvel/DC movie train running, even though the cracks were starting to show, particularly on DC's end. Avengers: End Game was still something people were looking forward to seeing and not a distant memory. But you can see that even 2019 fell 4.4% from 2018 during a period of record low unemployment and low/stable inflation hovering right at 2%.

Then the response to Covid happened and it thrashed Hollywood nearly as bad as everyone else got thrashed.

People still went to see crap because they were flush with free Covid cash and plenty of credit even after inflation started getting bad. But in 2023 ALL of the woke crap failed hard even though there were still plenty of winners.

Now it's 2024 and 2/3rds of the TV and Movie productions were put on indefinite hiatus or cancelled outright and hardly anything has even been released, just as they said on NPR. But even though this should be good news for the few movies that have come out, nobody is going to see them because they can't afford the tickets anymore. There isn't a Billion Dollar movie in 2024 and we may not see one. And as of May 20th, China still has 4 of the Top 100 movies worldwide. A "Top 100" that still only consists of 59 movies, with only 33 of them being made by Hollywood.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
mulative/released-in-2024

With no competition, and very little woke content to complain about, these movies should be doing great and at least one of them should have hit 1 Billion by now, but nobody has any fucking money to go see a movie in 2024 at 2024 prices.





Here's a list of Hollywood grosses by year. Despite inflation, it had gone up nearly every year except for a few small hiccups until 2020.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/


Here's the last 10 years...

2014 $10,368,861,849 -5.4% 849 $12,213,029 Guardians of the Galaxy
2015 $11,148,780,747 +7.5% 845 $13,193,823 Jurassic World
2016 $11,375,225,455 +2% 855 $13,304,357 Finding Dory
2017 $11,075,387,520 -2.6% 854 $12,968,837 Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi
2018 $11,892,160,011 +7.4% 993 $11,975,991 Black Panther
2019 $11,363,360,759 -4.4% 910 $12,487,209 Avengers: Endgame
2020 $2,113,846,800 -81.4% 456 $4,635,628 Bad Boys for Life
2021 $4,482,808,453 +112.1% 440 $10,188,201 Spider-Man: No Way Home
2022 $7,369,505,492 +64.4% 498 $14,798,203 Top Gun: Maverick
2023 $8,908,261,473 +20.9% 589 $15,124,382 Barbie
2024 $2,375,699,621 - 278 $8,545,682 Dune: Part Two

Since the world got subjected to the Democrat response to Covid in 2020 and theaters got shut down, we've seen huge increases from $2.1 Billion in 2020 back up to $8.9 Billion in 2023.

We can actually see how long it took for that increase to have happened naturally the first time by going back to when Hollywood made $3 Billion in 1982 and they didn't make $9 Billion until 2002. It took 20 years the first time.

This time it only took 3 years.


But now, in Joe Biden*'s shitshow economy election year, Hollywood has only managed to gross $2,375,699,621 as of May 20th. That's Day 141. It's on pace to only make $6.15 Billion at this rate.

Now that ain't going to happen. We still have the Summer Blockbuster season, Halloween Time, and Christmas. Unless the bottom falls out and inflation kicks up another 8% later this year, people will still go to see those offerings more than what we've been given so far this year, relative to the weak market we've seen so far.

But the analysts at NPR are mistaken. They, along with other people I've read, believe that Hollywood is only going to lose $1 Billion from what they grossed last year. That's not going to happen either. There is ZERO chance that Hollywood grosses $7.9 Billion or above.

This is because the analysts at NPR as well as other places are among those who denied inflation was even happening for a year after inflation was happening and are also among those who swear up and down that the current economy is great when the vast majority of people disagree.

Woke destroyed Disney in 2023 and took a huge bite out of Hollywood in general save for Universal and Sony. It would have screwed WB too, if they didn't have Barbie and the surprise long showing of Wonka's December release.

2024's Hollywood failures have nothing to do with woke. But they also have little to do with Hollywood's creative bankruptcy either. People have always lined up to see reboots and remakes and sequels. Of the 6 of the non-Chinese movies in the worldwide Top 10 for 2024 so far, 5 of them fall into one of those categories.

The original releases in 2024 all fall in 10th place or below. Bob Marley at 10th. The Beekeeper in 11th. The Fall Guy in 12th. Civil War in 13th. Argylle in 16th. Challengers in 19th. Etc, etc, etc... None of these are woke. None of these are shameless cash grabs of existing IP. Almost all of them are financial failures that cost too much to make when people can't afford to see them.

People can't afford to go and see the movies anymore in 2024. Not enough of them to make 2024 more profitable than 2023 anyhow.


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6ix, accept the Truth: Failure is Habitual in Hollywood. Failing is not a unique condition caused by the economy, politics, or whatever bogeyman you are flogging, 6ix.



Incorrect. Failure is NOT habitual in Hollywood. If it were, it would have collapsed a long time ago.

Your version of history, as is your version of pretty much everything, is a fantasy you made up in your head and will not be discussed here. Take it to Twitter.

Meanwhile, the studio execs have finally figured out what they were doing wrong these last 5 to 10 years and they're in the process of firing everyone involved. The writer/actor strikes backfired hugely and ended up being a great excuse to axe 2/3rds of them without any consequences.
Every movie is a success for the people listed in the credits at the end because those people get paid even if the studio produced another turd that leaves the more sensible members of the theater audience disappointed at wasting four hours on a movie, plus their money. I hope that many more money managers lose their jobs since they approve of the making of mostly turds.

Note the 1991 date, 6ix, but you can find more stories exactly like this at https://www.google.com/search?q=studio+heads+fired:

In April 1991, at the peak of his power as one of Hollywood’s top executives, Sony Pictures chairman Jon Peters left Los Angeles on a corporate jet bound for New York, where he had been summoned to meet with his boss, Mickey Schulhof, then-head of the company’s U.S. operations.

The dashing and even daredevil executive was anxious. A vague sense of dread had come over him, and it only grew greater when he learned that his longtime partner, best friend and fellow Sony chairman Peter Guber, would not be flying with him. Hadn’t the two men been this close for decades, chatting many times a day, seeing each other multiple times a week, building their own mini-empire by producing such blockbusters as Batman and The Witches of Eastwick, before being wooed from Warner Bros. to Sony in a deal that cost their Japanese bosses a staggering $700 million?

It seemed odd that Guber wasn’t on the plane now, and even odder that lately he had failed to return Peters’ calls, prompting the latter to drive to his friend’s house in search of an explanation — only for Guber to dodge and weave and leave Peters with the assumption that he was safe, while another executive was in trouble.

In fact, for weeks now, the one-time hairdresser had blinded himself to reality, swatting away rumors that there were strains between him and his brother in blood. After all, he noted, they’d just been to see their joint therapist, the author of Healing Your Aloneness: Finding Love & Wholeness Through Your Inner Child. There, according to Nancy Griffin and my colleague Kim Masters’ Hit & Run: How Jon Peters and Peter Guber Took Sony for a Ride in Hollywood, Guber had assured his buddy: “I love you. No, I don’t love you — I feel like I’m in love with you.”

Love fades. Passion fizzles. Even the tightest of bonds ultimately frays in the mosh pit of Hollywood. And so Peters discovered when he stepped off the plane in New York and made his way to Schulhof’s office, where he learned he was out of a job.

“I was numb,” he told Griffin and Masters. “I was catatonic…. It was like a part of me died.”

***

Death comes easily in Hollywood. Each little prick draws some of our blood, each nick drains us of our vital force. The unkindest cut of all is being fired.

More at https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/hollywood-studio-h
eads-who-have-been-fired-967194/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, May 20, 2024 12:27 PM

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6ix, accept the Truth: Failure is Habitual in Hollywood. Failing is not a unique condition caused by the economy, politics, or whatever bogeyman you are flogging, 6ix.



Incorrect. Failure is NOT habitual in Hollywood. If it were, it would have collapsed a long time ago.

Your version of history, as is your version of pretty much everything, is a fantasy you made up in your head and will not be discussed here. Take it to Twitter.

Meanwhile, the studio execs have finally figured out what they were doing wrong these last 5 to 10 years and they're in the process of firing everyone involved. The writer/actor strikes backfired hugely and ended up being a great excuse to axe 2/3rds of them without any consequences.
Every movie is a success for the people listed in the credits at the end because those people get paid even if the studio produced another turd that leaves the more sensible members of the theater audience disappointed at wasting four hours on a movie, plus their money.


No shit, dummy.

But if they're making a project that nobody is paying for, they end up losing money until they fold and they kill the golden goose.

Now after a decade of Leftist Ideology crammed in every movie on top of Democrats destroying the world economy, they're all losers and they will all be out of jobs.

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No shit, dummy.

But if they're making a project that nobody is paying for, they end up losing money until they fold and they kill the golden goose.

Now after a decade of Leftist Ideology crammed in every movie on top of Democrats destroying the world economy, they're all losers and they will all be out of jobs.
Hollywood is familiar with failure. If Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga is a flop, it is because the money men lack taste in which projects they green-light, not because the hundreds of people listed in credits did a poor job. From a reviewer who likes Furiosa:

At one point in Furiosa, an ill-treated underling, negotiating with his warlord {Hollywood CEO in a previous life} for better treatment, demands that his leader provide “double the maggot mash and the roach rations.” That line, in all its cheerful grotesquery, describes how I feel about the prospect of another installment from the Mad Max universe. It doesn’t have to be perfect — and it will, without doubt, be gnarly as all hell — but even after another two-and-a-half-hours, I’m still hungry for another helping.

https://slate.com/culture/2024/05/furiosa-mad-max-movie-saga-anya-tayl
or-joy-review.html

6ix, Hollywood sells "maggot mash and roach rations", Joker (2019) for example. If you have a strong stomach, enjoy the movies.

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Monday, May 20, 2024 6:21 PM

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What are you even posting in the Cinema board for then?

You're obviously a Pod Person, because anybody could dig up your posts from 2 years ago and earlier where you were sucking Hollywood's dick everyday.

You just want somebody to argue with about literally anything. Go to Twitter. Twitter was made for you.

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Monday, May 20, 2024 8:03 PM

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What are you even posting in the Cinema board for then?

You're obviously a Pod Person, because anybody could dig up your posts from 2 years ago and earlier where you were sucking Hollywood's dick everyday.

You just want somebody to argue with about literally anything. Go to Twitter. Twitter was made for you.

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Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema. Too bad for your premise, 6ix, but movies were ruined from the days of silent movies with failure after failure, continuing with more failures in talkies, color film, Panavision, IMAX, THX/Skywalker Sound and 3D movies. Hollywood has always made crap and audiences, at least the more sophisticated ones, are rejecting the fundamental crappiness of almost everything Hollywood has ever done:

100 cringeworthy mistakes in the worst movies in Hollywood history
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/100-cringeworthy-mistakes-in-the
-worst-movies-in-hollywood-history/ss-BB1m3BIG

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Monday, May 20, 2024 11:51 PM

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Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema.


Democrats DID ruin movies. Even worse, they ruined the legacy of some of the greatest movies ever made. They've done the same thing to TV shows. And Comic Books. And Video Games. And pretty much everything else they got their tendrils into.

I've never said anything about Trump regarding cinema. Not once. In fact, I've even did my best not to invoke his name when posting anything relating to that Angel Studios movie you said he liked about a dozen times. I may or may not have succeeded since you couldn't stop bringing up Trump in that thread either.

Hmmmm... I still haven't gotten around to watching that one yet. Maybe this year?



Nah dude. Your boy Biden* did FAR MORE work ensuring that Cinema will be saved than Trump ever in a million years could.

Joe Biden* fucked the economy. His policies have ensured that ALL of that seemingly endless Venture Capital that funded DEI departments and DEI hiring and DEI project after DEI project is a long distant memory by now. Those people have all been fired.

And the so-called "critics" who used to write article after article blowing Disney and any other studio putting out woke based trash and calling anyone who didn't watch it a Sexi-Raci-TransPhobe have all been silenced. You don't hear from them anymore.

They were either laid off, fired or worked for companies that no longer exist. And the ones lucky enough to have a few years left in their field before what little left of it is taken over by AI are shitting themselves and staying on fucking point.

And that's just the movie critics. The field of Video Game Critics has been gutted and is mortally wounded. The Video Game Critic is a dying breed in 2024.



Donald J. Trump had nothing at all to do with saving Hollywood. And if he ever in the future does claim credit for that I will call him on his bullshit. All credit here goes straight to Joe Biden*.

I'm almost rooting for Biden* to win, for the sake of Hollywood. I'm sure there are still plenty of weeds to be pulled. A November win for Trump and the good it will do for the country and the economy might derail the Hollywood renaissance in the making we've got on our hands.


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Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:03 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema.


Democrats DID ruin movies. Even worse, they ruined the legacy of some of the greatest movies ever made. . . .

Donald J. Trump had nothing at all to do with saving Hollywood. And if he ever in the future does claim credit for that I will call him on his bullshit. All credit here goes straight to Joe Biden*.

I'm almost rooting for Biden* to win, for the sake of Hollywood. I'm sure there are still plenty of weeds to be pulled. A November win for Trump and the good it will do for the country and the economy might derail the Hollywood renaissance in the making we've got on our hands.
6ix, almost everything from Hollywood was crap and always has been, back to the days of silent pictures, then talkies. How did you come to believe that nearly everything was good, once upon a time? A reminder of Hollywood's crap past:

Most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time

The 2017 film "The Disaster Artist" tells the story behind the making of "The Room," one of the most famous turkeys of all time. Like Tim Burton's "Ed Wood," James Franco's flick is also a testament to the power of clueless filmmaking and the ridiculous movies that emerge as a result. Despite having widely celebrated actors like Eddie Murphy, established directors like Robert Rodriguez, and esteemed screenwriters like David S. Goyer, these films still managed to disappoint critics and audiences alike.

Notably, many entries are either sequels or adaptations, proving that attempts at creating franchises often fall flat on their faces. These are the true rotten tomatoes and Golden Raspberry Award winners, at least some of which have garnered shocking levels of attention or success despite—or most often because of—their sheer terribleness.

In honor of bad cinema, Stacker has accumulated a list of the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time. For the data, Stacker searched IMDb for movies with over 50,000 user ratings and ranked the top 50 films, counting down from worse to worst. Ties were broken by votes. Without further delay, here are the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time.

https://stacker.com/movies/most-widely-watched-universally-hated-movie
s-all-time

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Tuesday, May 21, 2024 10:58 AM

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Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes forgets the purpose of civilization

Nine films later, Kingdom suggests that the franchise is finally too derivative and too cynical

Like Twilight Zone auteur Rod Serling, the cultural prophet who wrote the initial screenplay to the 1968 original, series overseers Amanda Silver and Rick Jaffa understood that an apocalyptic fantasy loses its power if it ever seems too serious — or if it’s not serious enough. In the 1968 Planet of the Apes, the main apocalyptic error under examination is racism. The astronaut Charlton Heston, a symbol of American civilizational hubris, crash-lands on a planet where the slaves have replaced their masters and a courageous, muscular white man is treated as a freakish outsider. Apes was Serling’s final attempt to literalize the insanities of a zero-sum notion of human existence. In the reboot trilogy, humanity is doomed by a not-unrelated flaw. As a plot review in the opening screen of the newly released Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes puts it, a “man-made virus” meant to turn apes into our quasi-intelligent helpmates instead kills nearly every human being while “robbing [the survivors] of their intellect and their ability to speak.” In the ’60s, an unreconstructed belief in our superiority will destroy us. In the new millennium, it’s humanity’s ambition to bust through moral guardrails and master the physical world that will reduce the species to mute idiocy.

The franchise’s last entry, 2017’s War for the Planet of the Apes, concluded in this queasy suicide of human reason, with man and ape trading roles in the natural order. In 2024’s Kingdom, which takes place hundreds of years later, we find out the monkeys haven’t done much with their human-free paradise. Our hero, Noa, lives in a nonliterate society of gentle apes who train eagles to hunt for them and dwell among the overgrown ruins of a civilization everyone’s forgotten and indeed has no curiosity about. Even Raka, the wisest of all apes and the only ape in the movie who can read, informs Noa that a terminal at what used to be Los Angeles International Airport was probably a facility where apes could care for humans, to make sure the stupid beasts’ material needs were met. Its construction was undoubtedly an act of the compassionate Caesar, liberator of the apes, protagonist of the prior three films, and the now-mythological Lawgiver who, Raka says, “taught us what it means to be ape.” The now-vanished and bastardized Caesarian thought system taught that coexistence with the human scavengers was important to ape self-knowledge, though even Raka can’t remember why. Noa, meanwhile, doesn’t even know who Caeser is.

The intellectually and technologically backward wuss apes of Eagle Clan are not the only apes on this planet, thank the Lawgiver. A couple of valleys over is Proximus Caesar, a great ape of history and an enlightened despot who claims to be the rightful heir to the Caesarian project, whatever that is. Per Proximus, Caesar believed apes should dominate the Earth, however many ape or human dead it takes. In a world where no one can read and history doesn’t exist, there aren’t many apes around who feel inclined to argue with him. With the help of a rare talking and thinking human being who’s immune from the virus, Proximus has determined, with some justification, that the Planet of the Apes lacks the conditions for a rational labor market, meaning that civilization can only progress through mass coercion and rapid technological advancement. Exhibiting a keenly unsentimental understanding of how states and societies form, Proximus declares himself king, enslaves the wuss apes, and puts them to work busting through a vault of ancient human weaponry.

More at https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/magazine-life-arts/3002392/the-plan
et-of-the-apes-franchise-forgets-the-purpose-of-civilization/

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Tuesday, May 21, 2024 2:02 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by second:
Your premise is that Democrats ruined the movies and that Trump will bring a new age of great cinema.


Democrats DID ruin movies. Even worse, they ruined the legacy of some of the greatest movies ever made. . . .

Donald J. Trump had nothing at all to do with saving Hollywood. And if he ever in the future does claim credit for that I will call him on his bullshit. All credit here goes straight to Joe Biden*.

I'm almost rooting for Biden* to win, for the sake of Hollywood. I'm sure there are still plenty of weeds to be pulled. A November win for Trump and the good it will do for the country and the economy might derail the Hollywood renaissance in the making we've got on our hands.
6ix, almost everything from Hollywood was crap and always has been, back to the days of silent pictures, then talkies. How did you come to believe that nearly everything was good, once upon a time? A reminder of Hollywood's crap past:

Most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time

The 2017 film "The Disaster Artist" tells the story behind the making of "The Room," one of the most famous turkeys of all time. Like Tim Burton's "Ed Wood," James Franco's flick is also a testament to the power of clueless filmmaking and the ridiculous movies that emerge as a result. Despite having widely celebrated actors like Eddie Murphy, established directors like Robert Rodriguez, and esteemed screenwriters like David S. Goyer, these films still managed to disappoint critics and audiences alike.

Notably, many entries are either sequels or adaptations, proving that attempts at creating franchises often fall flat on their faces. These are the true rotten tomatoes and Golden Raspberry Award winners, at least some of which have garnered shocking levels of attention or success despite—or most often because of—their sheer terribleness.

In honor of bad cinema, Stacker has accumulated a list of the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time. For the data, Stacker searched IMDb for movies with over 50,000 user ratings and ranked the top 50 films, counting down from worse to worst. Ties were broken by votes. Without further delay, here are the most widely watched but universally hated movies of all time.

https://stacker.com/movies/most-widely-watched-universally-hated-movie
s-all-time

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Yeah. I can go find a bunch of lazy, low-effort shit lists of bad movies without your help, son. Most of the people who wrote those are out of work now though, so enjoy what they left for you before they went on to serve you coffee at Starbucks.

What you are engaging in right now is classic fallacy by selective attention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally.


I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.




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Tuesday, May 21, 2024 6:32 PM

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I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.
My thesis is that nearly everything Hollywood has ever produced was crap, going all the way back to silent pictures. It is not crappy because of politics. It is crappy because Hollywood has always been greedy and cynical.

Because it is crap, and because it is also now available for free, the more sophisticated viewers of movies will not watch those crappy movies at the theater. 6ix, it is not because Hollywood recently lost its way that ticket sales are down. Hollywood has always been lost and greedy but audience were unsophisticated and would pay for crap, once upon a time.

6ix, I gave you a review of "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes forgets the purpose of civilization".

The 10th movie in Planet of the Apes has regressed to the mean, which makes it crap and got what it deserves: low tickets sales even if critics over-hype it as some kind of masterpiece of storytelling. The story is silly crap, but that has ALWAYS been the Hollywood way of writing, with rare exceptions that have nothing to do with politics. The 1st movie in the series was NOT crap because it is a clever fable despite it's Apes not being realistic like in the 10th movie.

The first Avatar movie in the series had the biggest budget and profit in history, but the franchise will follow the same path as Planet of the Apes, with each movie being less successful until there is an outright failure that almost bankrupts the studio. Will it be Avatar 4 that bombs? Or 5? The Planet of the Apes franchise got to 10 before it destroyed itself because Hollywood stopped for no reason making Ape movies from 1973 to 2001.

Which movie will be a massive failure in the Avatar franchise? 6ix, you should make 3 early failure threads so that you can congratulate yourself immediately for being clairvoyant.
Dec 19, 2025 Avatar 3
Dec 21, 2029 Avatar 4
Dec 19, 2031 Avatar 5

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Avatar#tab=summary

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Tuesday, May 21, 2024 8:26 PM

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I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.
My thesis is


crap.

Your thesis is crap.

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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 5:07 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I think I speak for everyone when I say that we've all grown extremely bored of this, and of you.
My thesis is


crap.

Your thesis is crap.

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Why did people ever go to see the crap that Hollywood has always made? To escape their lives by going into a fantasy world. Here is a story about one kid who did that for a week:

Nostalgia? In 1947, a Runaway 10-Year Old Went to 16 movies, Bought 15 Comic Books, 6 Games, 150 Candy Bars & Hot Dogs for $20 ... in 7 Days

The true story behind the kid who went 1940s viral for his week at the cinemas in San Francisco

With $20 in his pocket, Richard Allen had a wild week of movies, comic books, and hot dogs. But the tale belies a harsher home life that he wanted to escape, his daughter says

By Joshua Bote | 10:00 AM PDT on May 16, 2024

https://sf.gazetteer.co/the-true-story-behind-the-kid-who-went-1940s-v
iral-for-his-week-at-the-cinemas-in-san-francisco

Richard Allen was an intensely private man.

He was an upstanding citizen, the sort of guy who was well-known and well-regarded in his community. He loved working in the metals industry, where he was known as a “go-to person” among his peers. He loved visiting Disneyland almost as much as he loved visiting Hawaii. He loved his wife and four children. He was once a local radio DJ. He helped spur a movement of Bay Area wrestling in the ’80s. He was given a Citizen of the Year award by the Union City Chamber of Commerce. By all accounts, especially that of his daughter Denise, he lived a long, rich life.

But Denise had no idea that her father made national headlines in 1947 for watching a week’s worth of movies in one sitting. She also didn’t expect that this story, more than seven decades later, would become a beloved internet meme that has likely been seen by thousands — if not millions — of people online.

Richard Allen’s wild week started on February 2, 1947.

“Richard had set out last Sunday, intending merely to spend a day at the movies,” read an article published in the San Francisco Examiner on February 8, 1947. “But when he suddenly found it was 1:30 a.m. he was ‘scared to go home.’”

So with a whopping $20 in his pocket, and one unidentified theater with a lax policy on kids watching flicks unsupervised, the possibilities were limitless. The fifth-grader’s wild week was filled with candy bars (150), comic books (15), hot dogs (“a large number”), and movies (16), punctuated by naps at a tree-covered lot.

It didn’t last. He probably had enough money to keep him afloat for a few more weeks, but by the following Friday, Richard’s father Marvin, a San Leandro restaurateur, had retrieved his son. He sternly told the Examiner that his boy gets “adventurous ideas” from listening to the radio.

Richard Allen’s story was eventually picked up by national news media. One of these outlets, United Press, also interviewed the Allens, and got a shrug of a quote from Richard that would stand the test of time: “I guess I just like movies.”

In 2021, a year after Richard died, a Tumblr account specializing in mid-century geekery circulated the United Press story, headlined “Love For Movies Causes Boy, 10, To Lose A Week.” Cinephiles and meme accounts on social media shared the story the world over. It caught traction on iFunny, the meme recirculator website. Actors, film distributors, and movie theaters shared his story, often with a pithy line expressing admiration for the boy.

But there was so much more to the story than the headlines.

I caught Denise on the phone, nursing her second glass of wine at her home in the Central Valley suburb of Tracy. What unfolded was a freewheeling, candid exercise in excavating her father’s life together.

Toward the end of his life, Richard moved in with his daughter. He had reluctantly retired from his decades-long career in the metals biz. Then, in a stroke of terrible luck, he sustained a debilitating hip injury.

“It was May 31, 2019, and my dad was dead a year later,” she said. “He didn’t know what to do without working.”

In the year or so that they cohabitated, she started to piece together a fuller picture of her father’s life. But it’s clear that Denise didn’t get to hear every story that she could about her father.

Here’s what she knew: Dick, as his friends and family knew him, really did like movies. She rattled off the actors her dad adored. He loved the comedy stylings of Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis. He loved OG Mickey Mouse Clubhouse star Annette Funicello, who, as she recalled, was his ultimate crush. His favorite actor, however, was probably Bela Lugosi. (And as luck would have it, Lugosi had a film that was released to theaters on February 1, 1947: a critically panned thriller titled Scared to Death. He probably saw that during his week out, Denise said. Chances are good that he probably also saw the Western Last Frontier Uprising; Dick loved Westerns.)

There were other things that she didn’t know firsthand, but ultimately made sense. Like, for example, how a 10-year-old could have earned $20 — again, worth a couple hundred bucks in 1947 — on his own.

Denise figured that one out pretty quickly.

“When I’m reading this story, I’m like, ‘Oh my God, I have flashbacks of him telling me he used to panhandle in San Francisco when he was young.’”

Dick probably was good at it, too. He had a boyish charm: A cherubic face, a sweet smile, and a demeanor that could convince anyone to spare him a nickel, his daughter recalled. “My grandmother did put him in a dress on purpose because the curls in his hair were long,” she said. “It looked exactly like Shirley Temple's hair. He just was a cute, cute kid and he knew he could use his charm. And he probably learned it from the movies.”

The kid with $20 in his pockets would grow up to be an adult with a cool grand in cash at hand at all times, she said. And, that, too, was explained by the article. “He said, ‘I promised myself when I was a little boy that I would always have cash on me.’ And he did ’til the day he died.”

Even little things, like his taste in food, lined up with what he liked as a boy. He didn’t eat much candy, but he continued to have a fondness for hot dogs — and always kept them around the house.

But there was one thing in the story that didn't quite add up for Denise. Neither the Examiner or United Press really examined how long it took Richard’s dad to find his wayward son, or if he’d run away before, or if the “adventurous ideas” Richard’s dad said he heard on the radio concealed something else. Why would he be so scared of going home that he preferred to be out alone in San Francisco? How can a kid go to the movies by himself? How often did he go to the movies alone?

“I'm reading this thinking to myself, ‘What were my grandparents doing? What the hell were my grandparents doing?’” she recalled.

Denise didn’t miss a beat. “Oh my God, no wonder my father was in foster care,” she said, matter-of-factly.

Her father didn’t talk much about his childhood, perhaps for this reason. Denise didn’t really know her grandfather, Marvin Allen, Sr., who died before she was born. His wife was a devout Mormon. They later split, and she remarried to another man — a grandfather that Denise knew.

All she remembered about Marvin was that he owned a restaurant in San Leandro, and later moved down to Los Angeles to open up a shop there. It was successful enough that the actress Connie Stevens (another one of Dick’s favorites) came down for a visit.

She confessed that her dad “never really had a father figure.” “That's probably why he ended up in foster care, because I know that my dad said that they couldn't control him,” she said.

Midway through our conversation, I bring up the overwhelmingly positive reception that Richard Allen’s story has received by strangers on the internet. I asked her how he’d respond if he were alive.

“He would sit there, he'd put his head down,” Denise said. “He would probably shake it back and forth and just laugh.”

But Richard’s penchant for modesty, even in people’s post-mortem recollections of him, belied just how much the story resonated with people. This silly story keeps being shared for a reason.

“People really loved the idea that your dad loved movies so much that he ran away from home and escaped to go to the theater,” I told her.

“That’s what it was,” she said, with a catch in her throat. “You just used the word escape. I’m getting emotional right now. And I think that's what he was doing, escaping from the home life.”

Richard Allen’s sense of adventure and spontaneity, a quality that persisted for as long as he lived, continues to live on after his death. The idea that someone could escape their life — even if just for a few days — to camp out in a movie theater and luxuriate in another world feels like a pipe dream. It’s why the story continues to resonate, why people are still in awe of this 10-year-old. For a week, Richard Allen was free.

Joshua Bote @joshua_bote

I’m a reporter focusing on the nexus of culture, trends, and digital phenomena within San Francisco.

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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:45 AM

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TL;DR

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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 8:39 AM

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6ix, I will shorten. If you think Hollywood’s whole purpose has ever been more than money-making crap for audiences fleeing from the reality of their ugly lives to escape into fantasy, you are fantasizing.

The following movies have already earned a fortune for the little people listed in credits. The big people who financed the movies will earn their fortune (or alternatively receive tax losses, which are also valuable) if the budgets weren't excessive. Bloated budgets benefit only the little people listed in the credits.



Upcoming Movies That can be found in this Trailer Compilation:

00:00 The Best New Movies 2024 (Trailers)
00:04 A Quiet Place: Day One
02:30 Latency
04:55 Agent Recon
06:43 Firebrand
09:16 Boneyard
11:21 Handling the Undead
13:42 The Hangman
15:53 Fresh Kills
17:49 The Well
19:07 Fancy Dance
21:15 Kill Your Lover
22:56 Good One
25:18 Treasure
27:41 Beezel

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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 11:56 PM

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I've had the pleasure of not watching only one, but two fantastic TV shows in the last month after YEARS of not watching ANY new stuff because it was all woke trash that wasn't "made for me". Both of them are made by companies who have lit more money on fire then our own government has for Ukraine on dozens of disgusting woke crap agenda flicks and shows for the better part of 8 years now.

I didn't think they had it in them.

But all the right people have been fired, and all the right people have been hired.


Buckle up, buttercup. That pendulum reached the highest apex on the left side of the clock that it ever traveled in the history of our country sometime in the later half of last year and is already swinging back the other way.

You're about to lose so much ground on social issues you don't even realize what is coming your way yet.

You ought to think about moving soon. You're barely keeping it together and haven't been able to handle the last 3.5 years with your guy in office. You don't even stand a chance when Trump wins in November.

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Looking back to 2023, there was a movie that won 120 awards out of 204 nominations. It was high quality, not a crap movie. But what was the Worldwide Box Office? Only $44,463,910.

Hollywood makes mostly crap because crap can justify a high budget, which allows the people who actually make the movies to take home the most money. If the money men who financed the crap movie don't make a huge profit, it's tough luck for them but the important people, the ones listed on the credits, got paid. Repeating: crap movies like The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes have huge budgets which put huge amounts of cash into the bank accounts of the people listed in credits.

What was the high quality yet low ticket sales ($44,463,910) movie?
The Holdovers (2023)

1) https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Holdovers-The-(2023)#tab=summary

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_The_Holdov
ers#Accolades

3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holdovers#Box_office

4) The Holdover Quotes
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14849194/quotes/

Paul Hunham: You know, Mr. Kountze, for most people, life is like a henhouse ladder: shitty and short. You were born lucky. Maybe someday, you entitled little degenerates will appreciate that. If you don't, I feel sorry for you and we will have failed to do our jobs.

Paul Hunham: There's nothing new in human experience, Mr. Tully. Each generation thinks it invented debauchery or suffering or rebellion, but man's every impulse and appetite from the disgusting to the sublime is on display right here all around you. So, before you dismiss something as boring or irrelevant, remember, if you truly want to understand the present or yourself, you must begin in the past. You see, history is not simply the study of the past. It is an explanation of the present.

Paul Hunham: Hardy, I have known you since you were a boy, so I think I have the requisite experience and insight to aver that you are and always have been penis cancer in human form.

5) https://variety.com/2024/film/news/the-holdovers-accused-plagiarism-lu
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Ultimately, “The Holdovers” was independently financed on a $13 million budget. It was a negative pickup for Focus, which bought “The Holdovers” for $31 million at the Toronto Film Festival, marking the biggest worldwide rights deal ever at that market.

For Focus, this movie cost $31 million and only sold $44,463,910 worth of tickets, creating a huge bomb, but the people who made the movie walked away with $31 million minus $13 million.

6) I forgot to mention that the screenplay for "The Holdovers" is "Frisco", according to the screenwriter for "Frisco". It wouldn't be Hollywood if there wasn't a fight over money and fame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holdovers#Plagiarism_accusation

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Jesus Christ Second has shitted up this thread with a bunch of garbage. It's hard to even find numbers that I've previously posted with his walls of off-topic bullshit.

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May 19th:

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Bruce is predicting a pretty big 60% this weekend in the US for only $23.4 Million and a drop to 2nd place. He doesn't go into any detail at all about Apes in the prediction article.

Regardless of how it does Internationally, it should be quite a bit less of a drop than 60% simply because we get their new numbers for all week instead of just the weekend numbers. Typically if that film was doing well last year, it amounted to essentially doubling opening weekend's numbers. With a 60% drop in the US on 2nd weekend, maybe that amounts to 85% of the first weekend internationally?

Bruce's $23.4 Million added to the current worldwide total would be just shy of $171.5 Million worldwide.

Let's say 85% of last weekend's $75 Million on top of it.

So maybe we see around $235 Million come Monday?

Maybe Bruce is full of shit and it does $35 Million in the US this weekend and an extra $12 Million internationally and we're well over $250 Million on Monday?

Who knows.... It's all guessing right now.


I'd say I'm still pretty good at guessing even in the weird 2024 market.

$237,539,501 is the grand total right now with the internationals tallied and the Studio projections for the weekend.

Bruce predicted only $23.4 Million in the US this weekend, and the projections in the US are $26 Million.

That low prediction accounts for the $2.539 Million I was low on the worldwide prediction, which means that my international guess for the weekend was spot on.




It's now at 148.5% of the production budget.

My Low/High prediction for the final numbers was $350 Million to $475 Million. I'm still going with that number, but as I said after Friday's numbers came out I think it will be toward the lower end of that prediction and it will not break even.



Apes sits at $245,736,744 worldwide going into Weekend 3.

Bruce predicts a 4th place finish for Apes at $16.7 Million, or a -34% drop from last weekend. I think that might be a little charitable after his prediction last week of a -60% drop. Last weekend it didn't lose any theaters and dropped -56%, but this weekend it loses 525 theaters.

To be fair though, that 1st to 2nd weekend -56% drop includes Thursday Preview Night's $6.6 Million which obviously only the 1st weekend benefits from, so the actual drop was only -51% without the preview night numbers. But still, I think a drop here of only -34% is wishful thinking with Apes losing more than 1/8th of the theaters it was showing in last weekend.

The international drop will be quite a bit more this weekend that last as well, since only the 2nd weekend drop is mitigated by the fact that we only get International updates once per week, and the first "week" is only the weekend numbers internationally, but the 2nd week numbers are for the full week following opening weekend.


Apes made $8,759,462 between Monday and Thursday this week. Subtract that from the current US total of $109,449,252, and you've got $100.7 Million. $100.7 Million was 42.5% of the Worldwide Box Office after the final numbers for Weekend 2 were tallied.

If Bruce is right about another $16.7 Million over the weekend in the US and that 42.5% holds steady, that would result in $126 Million in the US and $171 Internationally for about $297 Million worldwide after 3 weekends.

My guess on May 13th was that it would make +/- 15% from the breakeven point, or $350 Million to $475 Million, but I've always thought it would be toward the low end of that projection.

Nothing I'm seeing here changes my mind on that. In fact, I'm thinking that $350 is a pretty good target for the final number. I don't see any path to $400 Million for Apes anymore. Next weekend it should only add between $20 and $30 Million max, and those numbers just drop from there. It probably makes more than $350 Million in the end, but my new range (based off of the assumption that Bruce's weekend prediction for the US this weekend is accurate) would be narrowed to only $350 to $375 Million, or a loss of anywhere between $37.5 Million and $62.5 Million for 20th Century Studios. If Bruce is wrong about this weekend and it has a steeper drop then $375 Million is probably also out of reach.

Another loss, but not a particularly crushing one compared to other losses we've already witnessed so far in 2024.



ETA: 05/26 - Yeah... Just as I suspected, Bruce was way off. Apes' 3rd weekend take was only $13,356,000, or a -48% drop from weekend 2. Reality was a full -14% lower than Bruce predicted, or $3.3 Million less than his prediction.

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Apes sits at $245,736,744 worldwide going into Weekend 3.

Bruce predicts . . .
6ix, Bruce Nash does not know you and doesn't want to. The Numbers was launched by Bruce Nash on October 17th, 1997.

6ix, why are you so verbose? Are you pretending to be working with Bruce Nash? Because your length words are not adding any value to his numbers:

Worldwide Box Office $245,736,744
Production Budget: $160,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.6 times production budget)

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Kingdom-of-the-Planet-of-the-Apes-(2
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Apes sits at $245,736,744 worldwide going into Weekend 3.

Bruce predicts . . .
6ix, Bruce Nash does not know you and doesn't want to. The Numbers was launched by Bruce Nash on October 17th, 1997.

6ix, why are you so verbose? Are you pretending to be working with Bruce Nash? Because your length words are not adding any value to his numbers:

Worldwide Box Office $245,736,744
Production Budget: $160,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.6 times production budget)

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Kingdom-of-the-Planet-of-the-Apes-(2
024)#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Nah.

I usually shit talk Bruce because he's a woke dummy and my predictions are usually more accurate than his computer models.



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Nah.

I usually shit talk Bruce because he's a woke dummy and my predictions are usually more accurate than his computer models.



Case in point, I knew his prediction that Apes only loses -34% this weekend was low.

Quote:
Bruce predicts a 4th place finish for Apes at $16.7 Million, or a -34% drop from last weekend. I think that might be a little charitable after his prediction last week of a -60% drop. Last weekend it didn't lose any theaters and dropped -56%, but this weekend it loses 525 theaters.


It made $3,400,000 on Friday, which was a -50% drop even from last week.

He should probably be better at his job if he's been working on those computer models for 27 years. I'm just using my brain and Microsoft's calculator, and I've only been at this for about 1 year now.



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Oh, and look at that...

Bruce still doesn't have M3GAN on the Top 100 list for 2023, something I caught about a year ago.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
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https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/M3GAN#tab=summary

With $181,134,416 Worldwide, it should be in 44th place, which means that if there isn't any more fuckups on his end, more than half of his Top 100 for 2023 is not legitimate, and his entire page 2 for 101-195 is incorrect as well.

Oops.

And he's the guy that people pay for this type of data.



You got it twisted, idiot. I'm the guy who doesn't want to know Bruce Nash.



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No reply to any of that, huh bigmouth?

That's what I thought, you little brainlet.

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Still no replies out of you on this one today though, huh bitch?

I guess we'll just have to wait until the pirates leak the movie so you can put Haken's site at further risk with more of your unsolicited pirate links before you post in here again.

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You've been posting in all the other cinema threads for days, but still won't touch this one, huh pussy?

You're a waste of carbon dude.

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May 19th:

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Bruce is predicting a pretty big 60% this weekend in the US for only $23.4 Million and a drop to 2nd place. He doesn't go into any detail at all about Apes in the prediction article.

Regardless of how it does Internationally, it should be quite a bit less of a drop than 60% simply because we get their new numbers for all week instead of just the weekend numbers. Typically if that film was doing well last year, it amounted to essentially doubling opening weekend's numbers. With a 60% drop in the US on 2nd weekend, maybe that amounts to 85% of the first weekend internationally?

Bruce's $23.4 Million added to the current worldwide total would be just shy of $171.5 Million worldwide.

Let's say 85% of last weekend's $75 Million on top of it.

So maybe we see around $235 Million come Monday?

Maybe Bruce is full of shit and it does $35 Million in the US this weekend and an extra $12 Million internationally and we're well over $250 Million on Monday?

Who knows.... It's all guessing right now.


I'd say I'm still pretty good at guessing even in the weird 2024 market.

$237,539,501 is the grand total right now with the internationals tallied and the Studio projections for the weekend.

Bruce predicted only $23.4 Million in the US this weekend, and the projections in the US are $26 Million.

That low prediction accounts for the $2.539 Million I was low on the worldwide prediction, which means that my international guess for the weekend was spot on.




It's now at 148.5% of the production budget.

My Low/High prediction for the final numbers was $350 Million to $475 Million. I'm still going with that number, but as I said after Friday's numbers came out I think it will be toward the lower end of that prediction and it will not break even.



Apes sits at $245,736,744 worldwide going into Weekend 3.

Bruce predicts a 4th place finish for Apes at $16.7 Million, or a -34% drop from last weekend. I think that might be a little charitable after his prediction last week of a -60% drop. Last weekend it didn't lose any theaters and dropped -56%, but this weekend it loses 525 theaters.

To be fair though, that 1st to 2nd weekend -56% drop includes Thursday Preview Night's $6.6 Million which obviously only the 1st weekend benefits from, so the actual drop was only -51% without the preview night numbers. But still, I think a drop here of only -34% is wishful thinking with Apes losing more than 1/8th of the theaters it was showing in last weekend.

The international drop will be quite a bit more this weekend that last as well, since only the 2nd weekend drop is mitigated by the fact that we only get International updates once per week, and the first "week" is only the weekend numbers internationally, but the 2nd week numbers are for the full week following opening weekend.


Apes made $8,759,462 between Monday and Thursday this week. Subtract that from the current US total of $109,449,252, and you've got $100.7 Million. $100.7 Million was 42.5% of the Worldwide Box Office after the final numbers for Weekend 2 were tallied.

If Bruce is right about another $16.7 Million over the weekend in the US and that 42.5% holds steady, that would result in $126 Million in the US and $171 Internationally for about $297 Million worldwide after 3 weekends.

My guess on May 13th was that it would make +/- 15% from the breakeven point, or $350 Million to $475 Million, but I've always thought it would be toward the low end of that projection.

Nothing I'm seeing here changes my mind on that. In fact, I'm thinking that $350 is a pretty good target for the final number. I don't see any path to $400 Million for Apes anymore. Next weekend it should only add between $20 and $30 Million max, and those numbers just drop from there. It probably makes more than $350 Million in the end, but my new range (based off of the assumption that Bruce's weekend prediction for the US this weekend is accurate) would be narrowed to only $350 to $375 Million, or a loss of anywhere between $37.5 Million and $62.5 Million for 20th Century Studios. If Bruce is wrong about this weekend and it has a steeper drop then $375 Million is probably also out of reach.

Another loss, but not a particularly crushing one compared to other losses we've already witnessed so far in 2024.



ETA: 05/26 - Yeah... Just as I suspected, Bruce was way off. Apes' 3rd weekend take was only $13,356,000, or a -48% drop from weekend 2. Reality was a full -14% lower than Bruce predicted, or $3.3 Million less than his prediction.

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On May 25th, I predicted $171 Million international at the end of Weekend three. The total international number after weekend 3 was $171,191,466, and that's where it stands right now.

The holiday weekend gave it quite a boost, with an additional $5.9 Million to the US total on Monday and Tuesday alone for a worldwide total of $299,921,403.

It hits $300 Million today.

Good news for Apes is that Bruce is listing the production budget as $160 Million, so Jaynez appears to have had good information there when he said some were claiming the budget was $5 Million less than the initial reports stated. This means it only needs $400 Million to break even instead of $412.5 Million.

It won't get $400 Million though.

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Apes hit $300 Million worldwide this week and now sits at $302,372,046.

Bruce predicts $9.37 Million for the weekend, or a -30% drop.

Once again, I think that's a very low drop at this point. I think Bruce is suffering from some wishful thinking here since he's just predicted a catastrophically bad end-of-May weekend.

But who knows? Maybe with nothing exciting coming out this weekend it doesn't see as big a drop as I'm expecting.

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Shockingly, Apes only lost -34% this weekend according to projections, or $8.8 Million.

By his own admission, 9 out of the Top 10 movies this week failed to meet his predictions. The 10th movie, In a Violent Nature, wasn't even predicted to make the Top 10. So that means that all 10 of Bruce's predictions this week failed.

He doesn't have it in his charts yet, but he did mention current international figures for a few movies that are new info.

According to his weekly projection article, Apes is now at $197.1 Million internationally, which means it pulled in just shy of $26 Million internationally last week.

Worldwide total would be at around $336.8 Million after Weekend 4.

It needs around $63.2 Million to break even now. That's a tall hill to climb one month into its run. It's still a slim possibility if the summer box office remains weak and apes stays in theaters for a while.

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Worldwide total would be at around $336.8 Million after Weekend 4.

It needs around $63.2 Million to break even now. That's a tall hill to climb one month into its run. It's still a slim possibility if the summer box office remains weak and apes stays in theaters for a while.


$359,791,582 after Weekend 5.

Inching along toward that $400 Million breakeven point. $40 Million to go.

Apes only saw a -40% drop off from last weekend, but it still hasn't really lost a lot of theaters yet. It probably will lose quite a few next weekend.


Assuming the international trends are mirroring the US trends on this, two more -40% drops would have it sitting right around $382 Million. Four more -40% drops would see it at roughly $390 Million.

I don't think it's going to hit the breakeven point.

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Worldwide total would be at around $336.8 Million after Weekend 4.

It needs around $63.2 Million to break even now. That's a tall hill to climb one month into its run. It's still a slim possibility if the summer box office remains weak and apes stays in theaters for a while.


$359,791,582 after Weekend 5.

Inching along toward that $400 Million breakeven point. $40 Million to go.

Apes only saw a -40% drop off from last weekend, but it still hasn't really lost a lot of theaters yet. It probably will lose quite a few next weekend.


Assuming the international trends are mirroring the US trends on this, two more -40% drops would have it sitting right around $382 Million. Four more -40% drops would see it at roughly $390 Million.

I don't think it's going to hit the breakeven point.

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$377,069,421 Worldwide heading into Weekend 7.

Bruce is predicting $4.4 Million US this weekend (only a -21% drop).

I think the complete lack of anything new coming out this weekend is really benefiting Apes at the end of its run here.

It's made $17 Million in the last 11 days, not including the Monday-Thursday international gross. $8.5 Million of that was from the US Box Office, $8.5 of it was International.

It might only be about $14 or $15 Million from the breakeven point on Monday.

It looks like it's not going to get a digital release until July 9th, so it's still got some time to make that money with no legal means of watching it outside of the theaters until then.

Usually that doesn't matter because a movie is already a hit or a flop by that time, but this one is a nail-biter.


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It only grossed $3.6 Million in the US this weekend.

Worldwide Total: $380,669,421

Still about $19.4 Million from breaking even.


I haven't been paying super close attention to the internationals on this one, so I don't know when the last time they were updated was or if that's up-to-date or not. Hell... I don't even know if it's still in theaters outside of the US, to be honest... Maybe we see it get another international boost later today?

If that's up-to-date money, this one is already dead and that's another correct prediction. Even if it does get another $5 Million or so international I still think its chances of breaking even are pretty slim at this point.

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I'm not seeing this on Bruce's list of theater counts next week. It pulled in less than half a million per day on Monday through Wednesday.

Current worldwide total: $385,296,629

It still needs almost $15 Million. I don't think it's going to make it.


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As I suspected, this one is still in theaters even though it didn't make Bruce's theater count list for the week. So I guess we technically can't count it out yet.

It grossed $518,000 in the US last night.

It's at just over $386 Million right now, so needs about $13.8 Million to break even.

It's not going to do that with the US Box office, and likely won't do it with whatever is left of the international box office either. It will probably be at $390 or $391 Million worldwide come Monday.

But Bruce has been known to find a lot of unreported international money for movies after the fact, so it is still possible this one breaks even and hits $400 Million, although I seriously doubt that he could ever find that much money.

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Looks like Bruce found some more money...

$391,407,919 is the worldwide total today, and that's without whatever the US Box Office was on Monday, which I would imagine was in the area of $200k to $300k.

With that extra $4+ Million Bruce found, this one still has a chance of breaking even.

$8.5 Million isn't out of the question this late into the run, especially if it's still showing internationally in a respectable capacity. It could add up to another $3.5 Million in the US alone by the end of next weekend.

It doesn't drop on streaming until next Monday.



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The number got knocked back down for this one. After Friday's $210,000 the number is back down to only $390,720,472.

It did make $230k on Monday, but had fallen to only $124k on Wednesday. Being knocked down to only 700 theaters this weekend didn't help it here.


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$395,207,025 worldwide, 9 days since the last post, or about $4.5 Million. Just about half of what it still needed to break even. It made less than $1 Million in the US last week, and another $400k this weekend with an expanded theater count back up over 1,000 from only 700 last week.


That re-expansion is somewhat rare, and I usually only ever see it with a movie that has been wildly successful like Barbie or Top Gun: Maverick.


Seeing it happen here leads me to believe that somebody 20th Century really wants to see that $400 Million milestone. Whatever the actual financials were for this film specifically, the industry would now consider anything under $400 Million a failure here, so it's more than just hitting some arbitrary number that looks good.

Given that, I think they'll manage to keep this one in theaters long enough to eek out that win, which would make my failure prediction here a bust. Barely. I bet Bruce can come up with a few international bucks to get them over the hump.

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