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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Less than half-joking aside though, I wonder...

I know it's not going to make any changes in your behavior because you're not a mindless NPC like some of the folk around here are cause you and me are smarter than the average Bear.



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Are they all white men? These characters that you want to strangle in the movie, Brenda?


Oh, Hollywood, Hollywood... Why do you hate me so?

You really don't make it easy being a white brother who just doesn't want any conflict and wants to be left alone for the most part.



I'm hoping I'm wrong, Brenda. But until you tell me I am I'm pretty sure that I'm not.



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Those who dance always seem crazy to those who can't hear the music.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
They are all white characters.

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Originally posted by Brenda:

They are all white characters. Like I said Robert de Niro's character, who only seems to go on about the money the Osage have which is why I want to strangle De Niro's character. I am fairly certain I will find other reasons why I want do him in. Also he seems to be the sheriff and doesn't care about investigating Osage murders. All women by the way.

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Your whole review made me laugh, but the part about De Niro was my favorite part.

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And an older couple who were in someone's house talking about 2 children both half breeds that they were watching at a table. The first child is girl of about 5 maybe being schooled. The other child is a boy of around a year old or a little more. The woman was saying they will be worthless and how come the girl was darker than the boy. Then the man said I suppose bible scripture and basically that is why I wanted to strangle those two.

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I don't get the point about bible scripture. Maybe that's something way above my head since I don't subscribe to any religion. I mean that I know so little about the subject matter that I wouldn't know how he could be offensive with it.

And although I would agree 100% that saying something like that is just downright rude and shouldn't ever be said, but I'm wondering aside from the rudeness of saying it out loud if maybe there weren't a little truth to that in 1920's Oklahoma? Everything that is true isn't always nice. I think in 2026 we're long past that ever mattering. I can't genuinely think of a single person I know or have ever known that would shun a white/native relationship. I mean maybe some drunk dickhead at a friend's family party might but I think that person would probably get shut down immediately and likely kicked out of the party for saying it.

What I'm saying is, I would feel bad for those kids 100 years ago. What happened wasn't their fault, but now they're growing up in a world that only had the radio for less than 30 years and hadn't even seen a television yet. I think there would probably be a lot of "racism" going around on the part of everyone in that situation. Depending on how bad the animus a tribe had for any local white people, couldn't you see situations where they'd be banished? I'm sure that making fornicating with white people forbidden wasn't uncommon. Probably not so different than the amount of pregenant white women who were disowned if they went through with the pregnancy, which I'm assuming most did with religion being so much more prominent 100 years ago than it is today.

Hell... I told you about my grandma and grandpa. We're all "white" now, but my grandma was banished from her rich parent's house and life after she dropped out of secretary school and married my poor polack grandpa who was a lower manager at a grocery store. They were in love. Like really. Because they stuck together to the end like only 1 of their kids has managed to do so far, with 1 other still having both partners alive. You could tell the way they talked about each other and what they would do for each other that it was still real all those years later.

But at the end of the day. Everybody always paints whatever picture they want to hand down to the kids and grand kids, but I'm under no illusion about it. I know my grandpa knocked my grandma up. And everybody was deeply Christian and an abortion would have been out of the question for everyone involved. And my Grandpa got to work and raised a family of five kids without my grandmother ever having to work a job a single day of her life after they got married and made the bastard legit. And he never once asked them for a dime. And the only reason any of that generational wealth made it to this side of the family is because eldest sister who died of breast cancer had a heart and didn't give the entire fortune to the other sister that "did the right thing" and married herself a bonafide judge. Most of it went to her, but not all of it.

I bet if I ever asked my mom or any of her brothers and sisters about how their parents met they'd tell me I was full of shit and it all went down the way they told us it went down and they've all convinced themselves of that lie, because hey... why not believe the lie? Didn't hurt nothing to believe in it.

I think the only sibling that would tell me I was probably right is the one we don't have around anymore.





I just get mad at all the modern framing is all. Nobody can be the bad guy anymore except for the straight white guy. We might not all be evil, but if there is anybody evil in the movie it's gonna a straight white dude or a gaggle of straight white dudes.

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I like DiCaprico's character. He seems to have respect for the Osage.

Interesting thing when his character Ernest got married, the ceremony was Osage. Not in a church though there is a scene where he and Anna are in a church.

So far no stereotypes of the drunken Indian.

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