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Originally posted by whozit:

Rand is a hero to the right and "Atlas Shrugged" besides being pure right-wing porn is her greatest work. This book was writen in 1957, hard to belive it took 54 years to make it to the big screen. My guess is it'll be trashed by every left-wing critic and pundit, I bet Rodger Ebert and Ed Shultz have already written their negative reviews, even though I'll bet they haven't seen it yet.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Don't hold your breath waiting for Parts II & III - the producer says he's "on strike" and not doing anymore movies - also known as taking his ball and going home.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Thanks for the reviews. Maybe I'll take a look. I have a limited tolerance for Rand who I think is a destructive force overall, but had a few good ideas. An on message story will perhaps give me a quick straightforward delivery of those ideas.

I agree with her on the rejection of collectivism, but I think her followers tend to reject cooperation to such an extent that no collaboration towards anything, even the formation of a functional corporation, is possible.

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"Critics, you won," John Aglialoro told the L.A. Times. "I'm having deep second thoughts on why I should do Part 2." The businessman invested $20 million of his own fortune to make the critically derided feature, but, "Why should I put up all of that money if the critics are coming in like lemmings?" Aglialoro asked. "I'll make my money back and I'll make a profit, but do I wanna go and do two? Maybe I just wanna see my grandkids and go on strike."

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Aglialoro attributed the box office drop-off to "Atlas Shrugged's" poor reviews. Only one major critic -- Kyle Smith of the New York Post -- gave "Atlas" a mixed-to-positive review, calling the film "more compelling than the average mass-produced studio item." The movie has a dismal 7% fresh rating on review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes thanks to critics like the Chicago Tribune's Michael Phillips, who said "Atlas" is "crushingly ordinary in every way." Roger Ebert called the film "the most anticlimactic non-event since Geraldo Rivera broke into Al Capone’s vault," while Rolling Stone's Peter Travers said the movie "sits there flapping on screen like a bludgeoned seal."

"The New York Times gave us the most hateful review of all," said Aglialoro, who also has a writing credit on the movie. "They didn’t cover it."

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It was just a terrible weekend to be a conservative: The Atlas Shrugged movie pulled in a meager $468,573 at the box office. This means the film has made $3,947,827 in its three weeks in wide release. Again, it cost an estimated 20 million dollars to make and market. Quick, somebody figure out how many DVDs they'd have to sell in order to turn a profit!

The Wall Street Journal interviewed the film's producer, John Aglialoro about his hopes that Hollywood will now want to partner in making the second part of a projected trilogy whose first film is a remarkable failure:

As for making second and third installments of “Atlas Shrugged,” Aglialoro said he wouldn’t proceed until he had a more extensive marketing plan in place.

Ideally, he would also like to partner with Hollywood for the next go-around. “It’s my hope that some of the major studios will believe that this is not just a movie and it’s over. I’m open to making a deal with a major studio. I don’t want to fight them. I want to join them,” he said.

He said he’d be open to doing another $10 million independent production. “But wouldn’t it be nice to do a $50 million movie? And now the studios have a laboratory in part 1.”

This is the same guy who said he was considering going on strike and not make any more Atlas Shrugged movies because the critics hurt his feelings. Good lord, this is so much fun to watch. I mean, I knew the movie would flop, but who knew the action of flopping would take so long or be so enjoyable?

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The problem "Atlas Shrugged" ran into was that pretty much its entire target audience went and saw it on opening day, and that was about it. And it turns out that it's just not a very big audience.

Most of the tea-partiers also seem to love Ted Nugent's music; critics don't. Does that mean he's a great musician? 85% of his fans say he is! (His fans comprise about 0.00000000001% of the American population, though.)* [/snark]

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Despite the wishes of the doubters & " experts " ( the Left ) movie looks to be moving ahead. Wish our BDM would do the same...

Haters gonna hate.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

That one individual has likely been the generator for more tax $ going into that county, state to fund a hell of a lot more than a few fire trucks.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

That one individual has likely been the generator for more tax $ going into that county, state to fund a hell of a lot more than a few fire trucks.

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Ayn Rand collected social security and medicare, so don't get your panties in a wad over a economic theory. John Galt my ass...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Again , pointless personal attacks, to take shots at her political views.

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Atlas Shrugged: The Phantom Menace

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Is Ayn Rand running for office ?

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Pretty sure she's not, her having been dead for nigh on 30 years now and all.

But quite a few of her followers are.

Are you claiming that one's followers can't be influenced by their philosophies?

So tell us all: Is Bill Ayers running for office? Saul Alinsky? Che Guevara? Are any of them running for office?

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What gets me is that, most of those who attack her, are basically saying they are entitled to control the lives of others, via the Federal Govt. The more you squeal like stuck pigs over Objectivism, over Rand, and this movie, the more I'm inclined to take interest in them. There must be something really really right if Lefties get so pissed off over this stuff.

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So you agree that there must be something really really right with the idea of socialism, then? After all, why else would you get so pissed off over it? How about communism? What in it scares you so? Is it because it's so "right"?

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I don't give a damn about her personal life, so your childish attempts to demonize the message of her books is falling upon deaf ears.

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So personal attacks are off-limits for your idols, but not for anyone else, eh?

As has been pointed out already, Rand's personal life informed her philosophy, and vice-versa. She lionized a sociopathic murderer, after all. Seems if she was a Democrat, you'd have enormous problems with that.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Mike,

you're right: Critiquing is a pretty liberal thing to do with your life, it's probably natural selection, the way interior decorators are gay.

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So tell us all: Is Bill Ayers running for office? Saul Alinsky? Che Guevara? Are any of them running for office?

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Anyone wanna bet this is the point at which Rappy bitches out of the thread?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Or, as Mal puts it... " So me and mine got to lie down and die so you can live in your better world?"

SHAME ! Sorry folks, NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Two,

That's just plain silly. I've known a lot of people who have switched sides, myself included, I doubt that a change in brain structure was involved.

Many years ago, I noticed that liberals were educated, and the educated were liberal. Later I figured out that was because the education was loaded with biased content. It could just as easily have been loaded the other way, and in religious institutions, it usually is. If there's a difference, I would say that conservatives are more skeptical of their fellow humans, and in time, I've become more skeptical. When you are skeptical enough, concepts like "social programs" cease to make sense because you no longer trust anyone with the management of anyone else's life. Similarly, "education" ceases to make sense on the same grounds, and "taxes" on a similar one: that you don't trust anyone with that much money. I think this goes hand in hand with the other thing I identify as a conservative trait: Cautious. If you're skeptical and cautious, you tend to be averse to change, and spend less, keep more, and try to hold to the values and structures that you have, and are probably just less impulsive as human beings. For a lot of people, this is probably a matter of personal experience: Has change generally treated you well? Or would you have been better off without most of the changes that have occurred?

My general assumption lately has been that any political or economic change happening now is being enacted by an elite group of thugs to steal as much as possible in money and power by squashing the masses, and so I'm skeptical of all of it.

Republican is no more likely to be conservative than democrat, IMHO. Republicans voice half a dozen conservative positions, but they rarely act on them. Conversely, Democrats voice about half a dozen liberal positions, but they rarely act on them.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Anyone wanna bet this is the point at which Rappy bitches out of the thread?

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How old are you. 12 ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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So tell us all: Is Bill Ayers running for office? Saul Alinsky? Che Guevara? Are any of them running for office?

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Great examples. A violent terrorist, one calling for all out personal attacks on anyone who opposes collectivism, and a mass murderer.

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So tell us all: Is Bill Ayers running for office? Saul Alinsky? Che Guevara? Are any of them running for office?

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Great examples. A violent terrorist, one calling for all out personal attacks on anyone who opposes collectivism, and a mass murderer.

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So, once again you prove what a hypocritical doucehbag you are.

It's okay for you to judge people by the company they kept, but as soon as someone does the same to one of your sad little right wing heroes, and it totally different.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
That's because he's a right wing zealot.... and rather unintelligent.

For a long time I thought it was an act, but now, I really do think he is that tiny minded.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Anyway, as I said...

Not the greatest flick, quite average, if even that.

Liked seeing some familiar faces, and if part 2 is made, I'll certainly go see that as well.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Im sure there are some scientologists waiting for Battlefield Earth 2.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Two,

I feel I can reject the conclusion out of hand on two very obvious grounds: 1) politics are inherited, but not genetic, and 2) people change.

But that said, it's possible that what they're looking at is religious brains vs. academic ones, and then is the difference the cause, or are they both brainwashed in different ways?

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Im sure there are some scientologists waiting for Battlefield Earth 2.

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