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Vanity Fair originally reported that the film’s production budget clocked in at $130 million in their most recent expose about the film’s director, Nia DaCosta. However, Vanity Fair has since updated their article and removed any mentioned of the movie’s production budget.

Nevertheless, an archive exists showing that it indeed reported, “DaCosta is still is also still grappling with the breakthroughs she’s made, including the fact that, at $130 million, The Marvels is the highest-budgeted film ever helmed by a Black woman.”

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This latest report from Forbes states, “The blockbuster budget is disclosed in company filings released yesterday by the Disney subsidiary which made the movie. They show that over the two-year period from the incorporation of the company to September 30, 2022, it spent $274.8 million (£221.8 million) and banked a $55 million (£44.4 million) subsidy from the government of the United Kingdom where the movie was made. This brought its net spending down to $219.8 million.”

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Originally posted by whozit:
Disney doesn't have the 'Disney Dollas' to throw around anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they sell ABC sooner rather than later for some cash. They've mishandled Marvel and Lucasfilm so bad it'll take years to fix...unless they end up selling them too.

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The Marvels Must Make $440 Million to Break Even

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According to forecasts by Box Office Pro, the domestic opening of Marvel’s next big blockbuster will generate between $50 million and $75 million. That’s less than half of what Captain Marvel managed in 2019.

Reports also say presales are “alarmingly low,” down 69% behind Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, and 72% behind Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. All in all, it’s not looking good ahead of The Marvels’ release date on November 10, especially given its reported $270+ million gross budget.

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Despite damning early signs, however, it’s unlikely to cause the Marvel machine too much damage. It can recoup costs through merchandising and streaming sales. And, of course, if the film is any good, word of mouth will build. So don’t count it out just yet.

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Box Office Pro shared their projects for The Marvels claiming the film will only gross between $50 million and $75 million in its domestic opening weekend.

They also predict it will bring in between $121 million and $189 million at the domestic box office.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (October 19th):
The Marvels Predicted to Flop

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/marvels-predicted-flop-160000868.html?
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According to forecasts by Box Office Pro, the domestic opening of Marvel’s next big blockbuster will generate between $50 million and $75 million. That’s less than half of what Captain Marvel managed in 2019.

Reports also say presales are “alarmingly low,” down 69% behind Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, and 72% behind Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. All in all, it’s not looking good ahead of The Marvels’ release date on November 10, especially given its reported $270+ million gross budget.

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Despite damning early signs, however, it’s unlikely to cause the Marvel machine too much damage. It can recoup costs through merchandising and streaming sales. And, of course, if the film is any good, word of mouth will build. So don’t count it out just yet.

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False. Marvel merchandise rots on shelves of department stores before it rots on shelves of Ollie's and Dollar General before it rots in a landfill along with Star Wars merch.

And as long as Disney+ exists and continues to lose hundreds of millions of dollars every quarter instead of licensing out the rights to its movies to other streaming services like Netflix, The Marvels will make ZERO dollars from streaming.




Brie Larson’s ‘The Marvels’ Predicted To Have One Of If Not The Worst Box Office Grosses For The Marvel Cinematic Universe Ever

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/10/13/brie-larsons-the-marvels-pre
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If those predictions remain accurate, there's a very good chance this movie does only between $300 and $400 Million worldwide and will be the biggest Disney flop of the year behind Indy 5.

With ScreenRant's recent article about The Creator stating that a film needs 2.5x the budget to break even (joining Deadline and Variety also making that claim this year), The Marvels is going to need $685 Million to break even. And that's only if we don't find out later how much more they spent on the extensive reshoots and other problems like we already did with The Little Mermaid.

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Even the entertainment press sez it's going to 'under preform', which is their way of saying...KABOOM!!

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so, that kind of money on a director who has, what?, 4 films to her credit?

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Rotten Tomato's has given it a 55% with 77 reviews so far, no audience score yet.

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Initial predictions saw “The Marvels” opening to between $75 million and $80 million domestically, but those figures have shrunk to a range between $60 million and $65 million in recent weeks.

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The only MCU films that have opened lower than $60 million have been 2015's “Ant-Man” and 2008's “Incredible Hulk.”

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Disney and Marvel Studios have struggled to reconnect with audiences in the post-“Endgame” era.

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So far, “The Marvels” has a soft score on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics particularly ripped the film’s script, calling it “paper thin,” “charmless” and “pandering in all the wrong places.”

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This is the 33rd movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which continues to expand even as its cultural interest and resonance diminish. “The Marvels” will dominate the box office, of course, at least during its opening weekend, just because it will flood theaters. It’s pointless complaining, I know (believe me), but it’s frustrating what weak tea this movie is because the director, Nia DaCosta (“Little Woods,” “Candyman”), has talent, the cast is appealing, and there’s a lightly gonzo scene that shows you what the other 100 minutes could have been. It’s almost as if the suits at Marvel Studios know it doesn’t matter if their movies are any good.

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This is the 33rd movie in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which continues to expand even as its cultural interest and resonance diminish. “The Marvels” will dominate the box office, of course, at least during its opening weekend, just because it will flood theaters. It’s pointless complaining, I know (believe me), but it’s frustrating what weak tea this movie is because the director, Nia DaCosta (“Little Woods,” “Candyman”), has talent, the cast is appealing, and there’s a lightly gonzo scene that shows you what the other 100 minutes could have been. It’s almost as if the suits at Marvel Studios know it doesn’t matter if their movies are any good.

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Brutal.



A female critic at the NYT in November of 2023 sounds exactly like me for the last 5 years regarding superhero flicks.

Thanks again to Joe Biden* for making this all possible. Maybe he really is managing to bring us all together.


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you can tell they gave it great reviews because they're 'access' media. They're both such suck asses for the studios, I bet Randolph's 2nd home back in the day was the casting couch.

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Things don’t look good for The Marvels going into this weekend. After lukewarm (and sometimes hostile) buzz leading up to the release of the film, ticket pre-sales have been disappointing, and its Thursday preview numbers were a downright awful $6.6 million. That’s the worst preview number for a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie since Ant-Man back in 2015. That film went on to earn $57.2 million over its opening weekend. With sequels tending to be more front-loaded, it looks like The Marvels will struggle to reach $50 million this weekend.

That’s a far cry from what Disney would have been hoping for. The first Captain Marvel started out with $153.4 million on its opening weekend, and even with a theatrical market that’s much weaker than 2019, the studio will have been hoping for something around $100 million domestically this weekend. Our advance tracking suggested that would be hard, but still doable.

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The warning signs were already flashing before we saw the preview numbers, with our audience tracking having the film generating about 85% of the interest that the model would expect. Note also the unusually high negative sentiment in our Sentiment Analysis. While this largely came from online trolls who weren’t going to see the film in the first place, Disney has clearly struggled to build positivity around the film.

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We’ve changed our model this week to hopefully increase the accuracy of our final prediction based on the reported previews for a film and our fundamentals prediction. Our old model would have predicted $52.1 million this weekend for The Marvels. We’ll see on Sunday if our new model’s $45.2-million prediction is closer to the mark. In either case, this looks like a poor weekend, and might go some way to explaining why Disney just moved several MCU films back from 2024 to 2025.

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As of 11/11 'The Marvels' has a 62% critics rating and a 85% audience rating, and it's still going to lose $. Brie was suppose to become the new face of the MCU, but the MCU is out of ideas, they've been out of ideas for a while now. The MCU needs Joss Whedon back, he's been punished enough, give him a call Bob.

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As of 11/11 'The Marvels' has a 62% critics rating and a 85% audience rating, and it's still going to lose $. Brie was suppose to become the new face of the MCU, but the MCU is out of ideas, they've been out of ideas for a while now. The MCU needs Joss Whedon back, he's been punished enough, give him a call Bob.

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They need good villains again too. That's something that DC has struggled with outside of Batman and Superman from the beginning.

It's also something that Marvel has largely struggled with outside of X-Men and Spiderman with the exception of Thanos, but they burned the whole Infinity War saga and killed off Thanos. Where do you go from there? Why should anybody even know who Kang is let alone think he's half as compelling as a character once you strip away the fact you've got a black guy playing him?

So you're going to try rebooting the Fantastic Four AGAIN? Good luck. Maybe if you get Dr. Doom right. Nobody has ever managed to get that series off the ground, even when you had peak Jessica Alba at your disposal.

Except for Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Deadpool 1, and Spider-Man: No Way Home I can't even recall an MCU movie out of the handful that I watched that weren't a waste of time. And to give credit where it's due on the first two, I don't even remember the villains they had. Those were both enjoyable because of great writing and acting. No Way Home was the single movie that capitalized on the nostalgiabait gimmic of the Multiverse before it wore out its welcome and is probably my favorite superhero flick of all time or tied with Batman (1989).

The only Marvel property since MCU's launch that I genuinely enjoyed was the first season of Jessica Jones, and I didn't even know who Jessica Jones was before I saw it. Kristen Ritter is a great actress and Jessica was a good character, but Killgrave was one of the best villains I've ever seen in a comic book property on screen. But they killed him off. And I watched the 2nd season and was bored.

I liked parts of Daredevil, especially the great choreographed fights, but as much as I've liked Vincent Denofrio, I didn't care for that rendition of Kingpin and I didn't care much for that show either.


Second just called me "fundamentally evil" in the Barbie/Oppenheimer thread this morning. Maybe somebody should call up Kevin Feige and see if there's a slot for notoriously evil 6ixStringJack in the Marvel Universe.

I'll even put on a MAGA hat for the first time if the pay is good enough.




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'Maybe somebody should call up Kevin Feige'...and tell him to stop telling the same story over and over. I think the MCU, the DCU, Lucasfilm and the film industry in general has learned that you don't ignore AND, mock the fanbase. Without the fanbase their woke films won't make close to a Billion $, let alone make a profit, like 'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Douchebag', it'll embarrass the studio and everybody involved, then slowly be forgotten. When Disney bought 'Star Wars' everyone thought that it was the best thing ever because Disney had mega bucks to throw at these films and TV shows, now the Disney Dollars are gone. Disney flicks are money losers, theme park traffic is way down, Disney is going to sell ABC and ESPN...get woke, go fuck yourself.

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Just four years later, "The Marvels" is on track to have the lowest debut for an MCU film. No, not the lowest-grossing debut post-pandemic – just the lowest, ever. Deadline has the Nia DaCosta-directed picture coming in anywhere between $47 to $52 million this weekend. The flick had a Friday haul of $21.5 million. While Disney hasn't released official numbers, there's likely no scenario where the film sees a generous, headline-changing spike this weekend. With an opening weekend take just south of $52 million, "The Marvels" is making MCU history.

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‘Marvels’ May Lead To MCU Reboot

The list of Marvel Studios mistakes continues to grow. Ant Man was a bomb, Black Widow and Shang-Chi were unsuccessful and now The Marvels could lose hundreds of millions of dollars.

Swept up in a wave of political activism from vocal employees, Marvel turned its focus away from quality, inoffensive entertainment to injecting progressive messages where they don’t belong. Ant-Man’s daughter became an anti-police social justice activist. TV shows like She-Hulk were an openly political embarrassment, degrading the expectation of quality and objectivity that audiences had come to expect from Marvel.

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Despite whatever negative press you may have seen about the Marvel franchise recently, its latest film, “The Marvels,” is no flop. While there are parts that are too thin and a few mystifying plot holes, the movie more than makes up for them with an irreverent and joyful story about found family that features truly wonderful chemistry between its three leading women.

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The Marvels has a 50 out of 100 from Critics on Metacritic.

It has a 4.0 out of 10 from users on Metacritic.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-marvels/

It's got a 6.2 out of 10 on IMDB.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10676048/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_7_nm_1_q_t
he%2520marvel



And yet it still has an 85% user score and 62% all critics score on RottenTomatoes.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_marvels

Obviously, the time to throw RT out the window was years ago, but it's funny seeing Disney buy enough reviews to make it just barely fresh.

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The projections are in...

$47 Million for Opening Weekend (a holiday weekend too).





Like I said before, I have no idea what Disney's psychology was with their projections this weekend. Did they highball it to give the shill outfits a chance at doing damage control, or did they lowball it as per usual so they weren't embarrassed when the actual numbers come in?

Either way, there's no way in hell this thing comes close to Incredible Hulk (2008) or Ant-Man (2015) in Domestic Gross not adjusted for inflation, so nobody can lie about it being the worst performing MCU movie of all time by ignoring the inflation factor.





Kudos to Bruce for changing the model for his prediction on this one even though he REALLY didn't want to. His old model said $52.1 Million, and his new model said $45.2 Million.

We'll see how much his new model needs tweaking after the actual numbers come in.



Everybody else aside from Bruce at the-numbers and the people at BoxOfficePro can go eat a bucket of crow with their stupid ass predictions of $60 to $80 Million or more.

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$47 mill, wanna take bets on how bad a drop off for next weekend? I'm going to predict over 60%

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The problem though is I don't know if they actually can stop creating that crap content with the subscription model the way it is today. They need to keep churning out new stuff to keep people from cancelling Disney+ and bouncing around to other streaming services. This is a problem that all the streaming services have.

Eventually, most streaming services are going to go the way of the dinosaur. It's only at that point where I believe they will start putting quality over quantity on the shows they make. There was a model where everybody could make money and be happy, and that's when Netflix was the only game in town and companies like Disney could license out their content and rotate it. Disney gets big bucks for its intellectual property while basically having to do nothing (ie: not spending any money), Netflix gets more subscribers and they don't go anywhere because there was nowhere else to go, but they're happy paying and staying because there was so much good content all in one place for a reasonable price.

That's not the model today. There's as many streaming services as there are cable TV channels. And they're not cheap anymore.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 11th):
Normally, this is where I'd mention that usually projections, especially on opening weekend, are lower than reality because the studio doesn't want to embarrass themselves, but I'm not sure about what Disney's psychology on this one is going to be right now.

Risk lowballing the numbers on opening night as per usual and make all the Saturday headlines even worse than they were going to be, or risk highballing the Friday prediction and possibly project low for Sunday to still come in lower than the actual numbers that are posted on Monday?

My money is that Disney's projected numbers for Friday are actually higher than reality just because the headlines that are going to come out today are embarrassing enough already. They might throw out convention entirely here and highball the whole damn weekend just to try to salvage some of the headlines with their shill outfits like Variety and Deadline and hope that not too many people are listening to the people like me who would catch them in the act come Monday if they try that.

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