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Red Door fudged the numbers. They take credit for $5M of preview sales (likely midnight Thursday) on Thursday, but then also include those same $5M again on Friday - double counting. Red Door made about $10M on both Friday and Saturday.

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Do you have proof of this? I don't see anything on The Numbers mentioning it, and if Bruce is adding $5M to Friday and double counting, that's the first I've ever seen him do so. Either that, or he always counts the preview numbers in the first Friday's numbers for every movie that comes out on a Friday and SoF just didn't have a benefit of having a "preview Monday" because they decided to release it on a Tuesday instead of a Friday. And if that's the case, it's not shady accounting... it's just how the accounting is always done, which in this unique case is a shame.

If that is how Bruce calculates Opening Friday, I'd like to know that with something showing that it is the case. It will be something I'd never considered and wasn't aware of before.

It definitely would explain why he never counts Thursday Preview money in with the total money earned. I always wondered why preview money wasn't counted in the Domestic Box Office totals.

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Alright. I said "Double counted" and maybe that was imprecise.
I meant that they counted the same money on Thursday that they also counted again on Friday, but they didn't add the Thursday onto the total twice. Hope that makes sense.
On Thursday, The Numbers wants to give it headlines for the dollars for the Midnight showings. The midnight showings are technically Friday showings, because the films are embargoed until the Friday dates. That is exactly the reason for having Midnight Showings for opening shows. When the show time is 12:01 AM, then the dollars are likely handed to the Box Office on Thursday, before midnight.
On Friday, The Numbers only shows $15M for Friday, with a grand total of $15M. Which means the $5M posted as Thursday was just rolled into Friday's figure, and actual Friday only had $10M - about the same as on Saturday.
I saw no rationalizations written on the site about it, but the NUMBERS don't lie, just The Numbers - haha.

Hope that explains. I was not trying to be obtuse or deceptive. I had thought you already knew this from the posted data. You seem to follow the site a while, I haven't much.

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No... I'm glad you brought this up. Like I said, I always wondered why preview numbers were never counted in the total numbers before, and I also noticed that about 99 times out of 100 that Friday's numbers for a brand new movie are almost always higher than Saturday's numbers, which also didn't make sense to me since most folk work all day on Friday.

Just writing that reply to you last night I think I kind of worked out in my head what was going on. I just never did before because although I remember finding both of those things odd, I never really put any serious thought into them before.

I still would like to see it stated somewhere that this is what is going on for sure, but even without having that in writing somewhere I can't think of any other plausible way to explain it.


So yeah... Another good point you bring up there. But nothing really can be done about it since a Tuesday release doesn't get Monday night previews.
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For now Hollywood productions are still too expensive

maybe they can learn lessons from indie movies and overseas film and keep costs low

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IP fatigue settles in when the audience doesn’t want to pay money for something they’ve already seen, and it can hurt box office numbers.

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30 of 53 movies have made profit so far with the 2.0x Rule of Thumb.

Only 21 of those movies have made profit with 2.5xRoT.

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30 of 53 movies have made profit so far with the 2.0x Rule of Thumb.

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and because films like Barbie and SuperMario made money expect Hollywood to pat itself on the back and reward film remakes of paint by numbers of little imagination?

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Remember when Hollywood would make movies on a Budget of $30-50 million


From Japan the movie Godzilla Minus One made ten times its budget, $116 million worldwide on an estimated $10–12 million budget


The Latest Will Smith Bad Boys is considered 'Low' these days with a Budget $100 million

What the hack has happened to product costs?

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Most will not watch this movie 'It Ends With Us' some critics hate it a chick flick with no deeper art message but its another lesson for Hollywood to make money by keeping budgets low

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Oh sure. You know there's going to be a Barbie 2

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For now I will call 'It Ends With Us' the mature adult version of Barbie or a low budget Barbie-2?

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It's a good thing you didn't run a book store, shipping and shopping for book publishers to deliver books for Summer and Christmas and other events and to outsell the other book store down the street. Sure you would have got scifi and maybe the murder thriller books, but women's literature the Chick book what do we know, have we even read this stuff? Japan has manga for women, South Korea have women's dramas, Brazilian and British and French have their soaps, Indian has their own chick lit novel


The West? 50 Shades, the Hogwarths Potter? Bridget Jones’s Diary, Pride and Prejudice, Something Blue, Little Women, Sex in the City?...Memoirs of a Geisha although wrote by a dude its kind of a 'Chick Lit' and most of Joss in a ways is either school drama or is Chick tv / film

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I liked Princess Mononoke even less than Howl's Moving Castle.

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I understand why people don't like him, I think he's good but I don't obsess over his work. I look at Japan animation and Japanese film as a whole and I can take or leave Hayao Miyazaki

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I don't feel that I was being over critical of him, and I certainly don't dislike him or any of his work that I've seen. Maybe you think that I do because you quoted that first sentence and didn't bother to read the rest of my post.

My problem was I went into his work by watching what is probably his best piece first. I've never watched a Studio Ghibli production that wasn't good. But when you start off with Spirited Away you're probably going to be let down by everything else. It was just that good.

I enjoyed both Howl's Moving Castle and Princess Mononoke and I'd even watch both of them again. They're sure as hell a lot better than most animation that comes out of the US.

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