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Joker

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 6:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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I'm getting back a very steady and strong signal that says AURaptor and 6ixStringJack are hollow men fascinated by an empty movie about a nonexistent character.


Again, posted unironically on the 'Cinema' forum @ Fireflyfans.net



Second - your attempted jabs and insults MIGHT have more sting if your views had more legitimacy to them.

But they don't.

Say what you want about Joker, but it did receive 11 nominations from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and won 2 Oscars, including BEST ACTOR. All while hauling in more than a billion dollars at the box office.

That may not be much, but as Captain Mal might say... " It's enough "

So 'empty '.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


lol

Second is such a tool.

Everything he says and does is hypocritical to the core.

This thread is just a dozen or so of thousands of examples he's amassed over the years.






EDITED TO ADD: Here's the entire exchange between Second and I that Rappy took a quote from above.

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Second still doesn't get that the movie Joker is about Arthur Fleck, and not about "The Joker".

Maybe he'd get it if he watched it instead of repeating reviews he read on Vox and Mother Jones.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Joker is not a biographical movie. Arthur never existed. Joker never existed. And for most of his life Joaquin Phoenix plays characters that never existed. There is really nothing there, inside the movie. It is all going on inside your head. The movie is like radar bouncing off the inside of your noggin. A signal comes back telling the world how empty your head is according to how you react to this movie. I'm getting back a very steady and strong signal that says AURaptor and 6ixStringJack are hollow men fascinated by an empty movie about a nonexistent character.






For anybody too dumb to catch what Rappy was throwing (ie: Second), he's saying that the point that Second is trying to make with his latest meaningless insult is that anything that is not a historical account that is purely non-fiction is not worth watching or deriving any enjoyment from.

He also says this straight faced on a fan site devoted to a great fictional show about a great deal of fictional people who are beloved to many.




If this doesn't wrap up the essence of Second's entire being in a neat little bow for anybody, I don't know what to tell you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 10:08 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


second - one last thing, you brought up Alita: Battle Angel. A very large part of the fandom who supported Alita but rejected Captain Marvel ( along with Terminator Dark Fate, Rise of Skywalker, Harley Quinn, seeing a pattern here ? ) did so because of the same basic theme. Hollywood was shoving a LEFTIST agenda down the throats of the fans and the fans weren't having any of it.

Just like with Joker.

Does that mean Alita also belongs to the Right Wing? Because you know I posted multiple times in the 3 Alita threads on this page alone. I went from having NEVER heard of the character or the Manga, to giving it a try and then really liking it.

You think Rush Limbaugh or anyone at FOX News told me about this ? Nope. I learned about it HERE, at FFF.Net.

I learned about it from FANS.

Get it?

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Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well...

And then there is the fact that ShinyGoodGuy who is not even close to "Right Wing" started this thread and gushed over the movie.

And before it even hit the states it was winning awards and film festivals in Europe. Their "Right Wing" over there is left of Obama.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:48 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Second - your attempted jabs and insults MIGHT have more sting if your views had more legitimacy to them.

But they don't.

Say what you want about Joker, but it did receive 11 nominations from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and won 2 Oscars, including BEST ACTOR. All while hauling in more than a billion dollars at the box office.

That may not be much, but as Captain Mal might say... " It's enough "

So 'empty '.
Joker: Killer Smile #1 December 2019 claims that Joker can take over your brain:
Quote:
Dr. Ben Arnell is certain that he'll be the analyst to succeed where all others have failed. He's going to cure the Joker's madness. He believes that he can put an insurmountable wall between himself and the seductive void behind the Joker's eyes. And he's absolutely sure that no matter what he goes through at work, he can keep that darkness far away from his family.

Dr. Ben Arnell is very, very wrong.
Download the comic here
https://getcomics.info/dc/joker-killer-smile-1-2019/
https://getcomics.info/dc/joker-killer-smile-2-2019/
https://getcomics.info/dc/joker-killer-smile-3-2020/

That is what the comic claims. It might be true. Watching Joker, the movie, seems to mesmerize some people. But Joker says in those three comics “Some people will always want to ruin what is beautiful.” I ruin the beauty of Joker, the movie. I am immune to Joker's charms.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


I don’t read comics. I own a set of Firefly comics, but haven’t followed DC or Marvel or any other comics in 40+ years.

Interjecting the comics to this movie discussion makes no point.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:27 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I don’t read comics. I own a set of Firefly comics, but haven’t followed DC or Marvel or any other comics in 40+ years.

Interjecting the comics to this movie discussion makes no point.
That is exactly like saying Trump's history of acrimonious divorces, multiple bankruptcies and of being sued and losing has no connection to the chaos of how he conducts himself as President. Trump is the same man before and after election. Joker is the same character before and after this movie. You might not read about Joker, but the writer/director knows Joker from the comics. Those 3 recent Joker comics are perfectly consistent with the Joker movie.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Second - your attempted jabs and insults MIGHT have more sting if your views had more legitimacy to them.

But they don't.

Say what you want about Joker, but it did receive 11 nominations from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences and won 2 Oscars, including BEST ACTOR. All while hauling in more than a billion dollars at the box office.

That may not be much, but as Captain Mal might say... " It's enough "

So 'empty '.
Joker: Killer Smile #1 December 2019 claims that Joker can take over your brain:
Quote:
Dr. Ben Arnell is certain that he'll be the analyst to succeed where all others have failed. He's going to cure the Joker's madness. He believes that he can put an insurmountable wall between himself and the seductive void behind the Joker's eyes. And he's absolutely sure that no matter what he goes through at work, he can keep that darkness far away from his family.

Dr. Ben Arnell is very, very wrong.


Sounds like Second is just salty and has Joker penis envy.

You know he wishes he could control minds just as bad as Mika Brzezinski likes to believe that she does.




Seriously dude. Why are you still posting here?

Are you looking to self destruct a little more today?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
That is exactly like saying Trump's history of acrimonious divorces, multiple bankruptcies and of being sued and losing has no connection to the chaos of how he conducts himself as President. Trump is the same man before and after election. Joker is the same character before and after this movie. You might not read about Joker, but the writer/director knows Joker from the comics. Those 3 recent Joker comics are perfectly consistent with the Joker movie.


You’re babbling. This is nothing like that at all. When are you going to stop projecting everything you hate into a contorted , convoluted sidecar to this movie?
I feel the more you try to discuss this, the more entrenched you become with your warped and disassociated view.

I don’t recall joker ever having an origins story. And yet this movie presents one for the first time.



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:05 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

You’re babbling. This is nothing like that at all. When are you going to stop projecting everything you hate into a contorted , convoluted sidecar to this movie?
I feel the more you try to discuss this, the more entrenched you become with your warped and disassociated view.

I don’t recall joker ever having an origins story. And yet this movie presents one for the first time.
It is NOT the first time.
"9 of the Joker’s Most Infamous Origin Stories"
https://nerdist.com/article/9-of-the-jokers-most-infamous-origin-stori
es/

From that article: Todd Phillips, who made Joker, has said his film will be a dark and gritty crime movie, so it wouldn’t be a huge reach for the team to take notes from this iteration of the Joker.

There will be a Joker 2: www.imdb.com/title/tt11315808/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 1:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Second's just taking to this thread because the Democrats have lost the political arena completely.

News flash. They lost the cultural arena as well.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The attempted reassigning of the Left's WOKE culture experiment is going over like AirAmerica did on talk radio, back in the 90's. Utter failure.

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Not the first Joker origin story!


Right, right. How could I forget Jack Nicholson's infamous chemical vat scene in the first Batman movie?

Perhaps I misheard, and that this was his first PRE criminal origins story?

Honestly, it doesn't even matter. It's not about this guy or what he becomes so much as how SOCIETY treats individuals and what it took for one guy to be put in a series of tragic events leading to his mind breaking.

We see both sides... his faults as well as those who wronged him. Even those who he wrongly assumes wronged him, be it his mother, Thomas Wayne, the "system ", etc...

It's like Obi Wan told Luke...

Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon a certain point of view.

That's what makes this movie so great. You can't trust what we're seeing is true, half true or utterly made up. The view of Arthur varies as we come to see him in different lights.

I think the more you try to trash this movie, the greater it becomes.


Keep talking, second. Let your rage flow.

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Monday, February 24, 2020 5:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



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Sunday, March 1, 2020 10:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So... Joker triumphantly retires from the Box Office after 22 weeks.

Total Worldwide Box Office: $1,073,624,800

This is 2 more weeks than Avengers: End Game.

It's also 5 more weeks than Captain Mary Sue.

It pulled in more cash outside of the US than Captain Marvel did by $36 Million, and that's extremely impressive given the fact that it had an R rating and wasn't shown at all in China. If CM wasn't marketed as a necessary watch before the final installment of Avengers, it no doubt would have lost Domestically as well.

CM has made a paltry $64 Million on DVD and BluRay after the fact, While Avengers: End Game has pulled in $91 Million.

I expect Joker to beat both of them quite easily in the post Box Office release.


If it can manage to make up $56 Million in DVD/BluRay sales over Captain Marvel, it will have ended up grossing more than CM on a budget of $120 Million less.

Without even counting any marketing budgets for either movie and just going by the alleged production budgets for both of them, Joker has already virtually broken even CM, including the $64 million made so far in CM DVD/BluRay sales and the fact that Joker hasn't yet come out on DVD.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 5, 2020 6:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Seems as though I counted the weeks wrong and gave it an extra week. Whoops.

Also seems like Joker had an extra week that went unreported until now too.

So NOW it has had 22 weeks. It's still showing in 72 theaters as of tonight. There's no mention in theater counts at thenumbers if it's going to get another week, but it wasn't mentioned last week either. Guess we'll have to wait and see on that.


Total Worldwide Gross as of March 4th: $1,073,747,331

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:54 PM

BRENDA


Decided to put a hold on this at my local library when I saw it on the list.

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Friday, March 6, 2020 12:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Prepare to be extremely uncomfortable for 122 straight minutes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 6, 2020 9:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Prepare to be extremely uncomfortable for 122 straight minutes.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


It's not the feel good movie of the year, to be sure.

But it is a very well made movie, and worthy of its 11 Oscar nominations.

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Tuesday, August 8, 2023 8:55 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Seemed like a bad version of King of Comedy

but does this film have a message



I still do not get the hype for this movie being called one of the greatest, maybe because Hollyweird has got so bad people are desperate for anything to watch?
it could have been called wacko-Clownman or crazy-StandupGuy but then it would have lost out on fans of the Warner Bros DC franchise....it is not really a 'Joker' movie, its King of Comedy remade, the true Joker we see in toons, comicbooks, movies He Is Supposed To Be The Opposite Of Batman and a powerful Rival...this guy is meek and crazy
Don't do so many sequels and prequels Tell the Backstory so quick that's what made Wolverine interesting as a character...a supervillain, getting beat up by homeless and street vermin, really? Criminal Mastermind I don't see it....others say it was a comment on the whole Left vs Right politics but I didn't get it, I don't always follow politics and consider it brain rot...maybe the movie was about Bush junior or Obama or Clinton or Trump or Biden...I didn't see its message

for some reason people think this movie is great and deep

is that how low movie maker 'Art' is sinking?

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Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:12 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Seemed like a bad version of King of Comedy

but does this film have a message : "Me realizing that America has already been destroyed and we're all just going through the motions till the shooting starts"
The message is clear: Joker has as many deaths in the movie as the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. “Nearly everything went according to plan that day for McVeigh and his accomplice, Terry Nichols, except the most important thing of all: their audacious attack failed to touch off a revolutionary uprising.” Joker wanted a Revolution but his plan was ill-conceived. One shining success for the Joker was indirectly murdering Batman’s parents. Read all about the Oklahoma City Bombing and the Joker's followers who, in real life, still roam the USA with dreams of mass murder.

American Carnage | Sean Wilentz

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2023/08/17/american-carnage-homegrown
-jeffrey-toobin/

Ronald Reagan’s pronouncement, in his first inaugural address in 1981, that “government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem” marked a signal moment in what has become the most successful political counterrevolution in modern American history. Having won a smashing electoral victory, Reagan acted as if he were the latter-day inverse of his long-ago political hero, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Summoning the American people to “a rendezvous with destiny”—a line he had shamelessly filched from FDR in the 1964 speech on behalf of Barry Goldwater’s presidential campaign that established him as the Republican right wing’s future leader—and pretending that the stubborn stagflation of the 1970s was a crisis of the same magnitude as the Great Depression, Reagan channeled Roosevelt’s optimistic rhetoric to attack the instrument of Roosevelt’s great reforms: the federal government. He aimed, above all, to revive the laissez-faire economic and social policies that the Depression had discredited, that Roosevelt had supplanted, and that even Richard Nixon had repudiated when he declared himself a Keynesian. But Reagan’s antigovernment politics and policies went much further than rolling back the New Deal.

Reagan’s Republican Party of 1981 was very different from Herbert Hoover’s of 1933: it had become the refuge of millions of formerly Democratic white conservative voters in the Solid South who resisted the civil rights reforms of the 1960s. Accordingly, behind his cheerful veneer Reagan made sure that he tapped into the fierce resentments of federal authority, dating back to the Civil War and Reconstruction, that fueled that resistance. Before they were done, the Reagan Republicans had absorbed into their coalition an array of aggrieved Americans, including quasi-theocratic white Christian nationalists, the gun-manufacturing lobby, antiabortion militants, and antigay crusaders.

The antigovernment fervor that grips the nation today is the long-term product of the right wing that Reagan called to arms (literally, in the case of the National Rifle Association) forty-odd years ago. It was his attorney general Edwin Meese, in tandem with the newly formed Federalist Society, who started packing the federal judiciary with the conservative judges who have gutted federal protections for voting rights, abortion rights, and more, while inventing, with fake history presented as “originalism,” an individual’s Second Amendment right to own and carry military-grade armaments. It was the Reagan administration that eliminated the FCC’s fairness doctrine, which mandated that broadcasters provide balanced coverage of controversial public issues, paving the way for right-wing talk radio inciters like Rush Limbaugh and G. Gordon Liddy and, on cable TV, Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News to amplify antigovernment paranoia.

The Reagan White House also harbored the former Nixon aide Pat Buchanan as its communications director. Buchanan’s politics were rooted in the 1930s America First isolationism of Charles A. Lindbergh and the diatribes of the right-wing “radio priest” Father Charles Coughlin, with their eccentric fixations on imaginary Jewish internationalist cabals. In the waning days of Reagan’s presidency, Buchanan remarked that “the greatest vacuum in American politics is to the right of Ronald Reagan.” He tried to fill that vacuum himself, nearly defeating President George H.W. Bush in the 1992 New Hampshire primary with his “pitchfork brigades.” His convention speech later that year laid out the culture wars to come. Then he followed up with another bid for the Republican nomination in 1996 and an independent campaign in 2000. All those efforts failed, but their stark themes of isolationism, lost national greatness, immigrant invasion, and racial fear provided a template for Donald Trump’s MAGA campaign a quarter-century later. “American carnage” was the favored far-right image at least two decades before Trump.

Meanwhile, a step away from Buchanan—how distant a step has long been subject to debate—an assortment of antisemitic and white nationalist organizations remained on the political fringes during the Reagan period. The fringiest may have been the neo-Nazi National Alliance, founded in 1974 by William Luther Pierce, the author of the widely read novel The Turner Diaries, a lurid description of—and in some respects a blueprint for—a white supremacist revolution. The conspiracy-mongering Liberty Lobby, founded in 1958 by Willis Carto, claimed in the early 1990s a membership of 20,000, supplemented by 90,000 subscribers to its weekly newspaper, The Spotlight. In 1968 the Liberty Lobby supported the segregationist hero Governor George Wallace for president. Twenty years later the splinter Populist Party, which Carto helped to organize, nominated the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan David Duke. In both 1992 and 1996 The Spotlight backed Buchanan.1

A major turning point in the Republican Party’s rightward radicalization and its fitful convergence with the evolving conspiratorial and white supremacist netherworld—populated today by groups like the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and QAnon—came during the fall and winter of 1994, culminating in the spring of 1995. Much to the shock of Republicans who assumed that Reagan had created a national coalition that would last for decades, a Democrat, Bill Clinton, won the presidency in 1992. Republican strategists shifted their attention to Congress, and in November 1994, led by the firebrand Newt Gingrich of Georgia, the party captured the majority in the House of Representatives for the first time in forty years. Rewarded with the speakership, Gingrich dominated the news cycle with slash-and-burn denunciations of “sick,” “corrupt,” “anti-flag” Democrats. Advised by the political consultant Frank Luntz, he adopted his poll-tested vocabulary of demonization, published in a private memo entitled “Language: A Key Mechanism of Control”: “anti-child,” “decay,” “welfare,” “traitors.”

Limbaugh, Liddy, and smaller-fry right-wing radio shock jocks added their own blend of conspiracy mongering and personal abuse. The prolonged and fatal siege in 1993 involving an armed religious sect, the Branch Davidians, and federal law enforcement in Waco, Texas, became a cause célèbre on both sides of the increasingly blurry border between the GOP hard right and the paramilitary extremists. “Go for a head shot,” the ex–Watergate plotter Liddy shouted into his radio microphone, instructing listeners on how to kill federal firearms officials. “The second violent American revolution,” Limbaugh declared around the same time, “is just about—I got my fingers about a quarter of an inch apart—is just about that far away.”

Out of this toxic mix of cultism and grifting came Timothy McVeigh, a young, decorated army veteran, subscriber to The Spotlight, gun show enthusiast, and avid fan of Limbaugh’s. He had developed a burning hatred of Bill and Hillary Clinton and studied The Turner Diaries like a field manual. In April 1995, on the second anniversary of the end of the Waco siege, McVeigh parked a Ryder rental truck crammed with barrels of fertilizer explosive, flicked his Bic lighter to fire a five-minute fuse, and blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people, 19 of them children.

Nearly everything went according to plan that day for McVeigh and his accomplice, Terry Nichols, except the most important thing of all: their audacious attack failed to touch off a revolutionary uprising. Yet the fallout from what McVeigh and Nichols conceived as an act of war against the US government did nothing to pause the radicalization of American right-wing politics inside and outside the Republican Party, which continues to this day. As Jeffrey Toobin writes in Homegrown, the story of the Oklahoma City atrocity is “not just a glimpse of the past but also a warning about the future.”

Toobin has established himself over the last thirty years as one of our premier legal journalists. His writings have included authoritative behind-the-scenes reports on John Roberts’s increasingly conservative Supreme Court, notably an enlightening book on the fraught relations between the Court and Barack Obama’s White House.2 Toobin has a special talent, however—a historian’s talent—for narrating the ins and outs of high-profile trials while placing them in their broader social and political settings.

His books have become especially important as a chronicle of the 1990s; taken together they are among the most revealing and perceptive accounts of that decade yet written. Those on the O.J. Simpson murder case and trial (which overlapped chronologically with the Oklahoma City story), the Clinton impeachment, and the disputed 2000 election in Florida leading to Bush v. Gore offer a panorama of the crosscutting forces of race, class, and partisan politics that lay behind the courtroom dramas.3 Throughout US history the most important of our national conflicts have always eventually become legal and then constitutional struggles, and Toobin dramatizes that fundamental historical point as few other writers have.

Although Homegrown covers some of the same themes as his earlier books on the 1990s, its story takes Toobin to what are, for him, some unfamiliar American places, including the bleak, hollowed-out upstate New York landscape where McVeigh grew up and the even darker landscapes he came to inhabit as a gun-loving right-wing drifter. Toobin also had access to a mountain of source material. In a move that raised eyebrows, in 1999 McVeigh’s lead attorney, Stephen Jones, donated his entire archive on the case, including all the government’s discovery material, to the University of Texas. In view of attorney-client privilege, this was, as Toobin responsibly discusses, ethically dubious, even though Jones’s client had by then been convicted and executed for his crime. For Toobin, though, the archive provided invaluable insight into the case, including (thanks to the oft-questioned McVeigh’s powerful memory) a nearly microscopic view of the terrorist’s activities, virtually from his childhood to the day he bombed the Murrah Building.

The challenge for Toobin was to shape this overabundance of detail into a true-life crime-and-punishment story in which the chief perpetrator’s guilt is never in doubt and the outcome of his trial is virtually assured. The Simpson case turned on whether Simpson’s crafty attorneys could play upon passions linked to racism, policing, and celebrity, and lead a jury to dismiss clear-cut evidence of guilt. The Clinton impeachment was full of dramatic twists and turns, as well as a repellent cast of characters operating behind the scenes to pull it off; so was the 2000 Florida election debacle.

By contrast, the central figure in Homegrown is no tortured Raskolnikov but a soulless fanatic who, beyond his messianic delusions, evidently had no inner life to speak of, let alone any complicating motives. The supporting cast, for the most part defense attorneys and prosecutors, although not without their quirks, elicit little fascination compared to the flamboyant Johnnie Cochran or the sanctimonious Kenneth Starr. The one character whose appearance might pique special interest is the then-as-now punctilious Merrick Garland, who as a prominent young Department of Justice official briefly oversaw the government’s investigation and prosecution of McVeigh, which gives an idea of the contrast with Toobin’s earlier protagonists.

The only great drama in the book is McVeigh’s preparation and then the bombing itself, described by Toobin in just enough horrifying detail to underscore its barbarity and the suffering it inflicted, without sensationalizing it. He does manage to make the subsequent trial interesting by examining its inner workings, including clashing egos and lawyerly miscalculations. Toobin cannot, however, make it suspenseful, hanging as it did on whether the unrepentant McVeigh could somehow outwit the feds and prove them incompetent as well as oppressive, a narcissistic gambit that, even with the predictable prosecutorial flubs and missteps, had almost no chance of success. A subplot involving defense lawyers taking sumptuous trips all over the world, on the government’s dime, to try to track down supposed additional accomplices and masterminds shows just how far-fetched and self-aggrandizing their efforts became, but it finally amounts to a zany sideshow. As in Toobin’s other books, but even more emphatically, the essence of the story lies not so much in the crime and the trial as in the politics behind them.

In the hours and days immediately after the bombing, suspicions gathered around the probability—even, some said, the certainty—that the bombers were foreign terrorists, most likely Islamic. The supposed terrorism expert Steven Emerson claimed on CBS News that the attack revealed a “Middle Eastern trait.” At the instant McVeigh was arrested wearing an antigovernment T-shirt, that framing began to shift. White House officials led by President Clinton—who from the start, based on his experience in Arkansas, was convinced the bombers were homegrown right-wing zealots—accused conservative demagogues of fomenting hatred of the federal government. In the news media, however, a portrait was painted of McVeigh not as a domestic political terrorist but as a troubled loner—a survivalist, perhaps, but in any case a one-off madman driven by personal demons. Conservative Republicans were particularly vigilant about deflecting anything that might associate them with the mass slaughter of innocent Americans.

Even a year after the bombing, the widely syndicated conservative columnist Cal Thomas was still condemning the slightest suggestion that right-wing Republicans and their radio publicists bore any responsibility for it. According to Thomas, nobody had demonstrated that McVeigh or any other accused “crazies” like the Waco cultists had “ever listened to talk radio or read or heard a single speech by Newt Gingrich.” Yet reckless Democrats and their supporters in the press, Thomas charged, were outrageously blaming Republicans and talk show hosts “for contributing to a climate that produced these violent acts,” as if conservatives generally were “unindicted co-conspirators.”

Toobin’s account shows incontrovertibly that this is precisely how the radicalizing right of the mid-1990s, in and out of the Republican Party, ought to be regarded. To be sure, much of McVeigh’s biography reads like that of a generic disturbed and violent criminal: an anomic childhood in a declining Rust Belt small town; divorced parents; sporadic employment after high school; an inability to form romantic or other emotional bonds; an early obsession with guns, followed by combat service in the Gulf War; and then a seminomadic life on the periphery, split between his childhood home outside Buffalo and the Middle American heartland. At one point he spent much of his time shuttling between gun shows while subsisting on fast food and Pepto Bismol. It took, however, a political self-education to turn a young man living on the edge into the terrorist Timothy McVeigh.

At some point not long after high school, McVeigh obtained—via the National Rifle Association’s magazine, American Hunter—a mail-order copy of The Turner Diaries, which offered him a worldview that he never relinquished. From this book, written at the furthest reaches of antigovernment paranoia, he eventually extracted the basic instructions on how to touch off, with a spectacular act of terror, a white supremacist revolution that would overthrow the federal government. (This in turn, according to the novel, would lead to a nuclear war and then a race war, and finally the systematic extermination of all nonwhites and Jews.)

But it was only after leaving the military that McVeigh began acting on his antigovernment animus. The brother of his army buddy (and later co-conspirator) Terry Nichols, while McVeigh was visiting them in Michigan, introduced him to The Spotlight, which, he would later tell his lawyers, pretty much summed up “my world/my culture…the stuff I identify with…stuff I know and live.” Around the same time, McVeigh began listening to Limbaugh, who was just coming into his own as a best-selling author, television performer, and talk radio megastar. “As they say, ‘Rush is right,’ (double meaning),” McVeigh wrote to a friend, “and many people (opponents) consider his views extreme.” He became an ardent fan.

It was the Nichols brothers, meanwhile, who along with Limbaugh made McVeigh aware of Buchanan, then running his presidential primary campaign against George H.W. Bush. (Limbaugh, like The Spotlight, endorsed Buchanan’s bid.) As Toobin explains, Buchanan rounded out McVeigh’s political thinking, above and beyond—but by no means in contradiction to—the crude racism of The Turner Diaries.

From Buchanan, McVeigh learned of the menacing New World Order (NWO), purportedly a project of shadowy, powerful, internationalist elites to topple the America created by the Founding Fathers and replace it with a single omnipotent world government run exclusively by and for themselves. From Buchanan, he learned that a new revolutionary resistance could defeat the NWO much as the patriots of 1776 had defeated the British. And from Buchanan, perhaps most important of all, he learned that, just as the redcoats had once tried to strip the patriots of their arsenals, so the nefarious globalists and their liberal minions were out to shred the Founders’ Second Amendment and seize the guns of a God-fearing citizenry. For Buchanan, Toobin writes, “guns meant freedom.” McVeigh already believed as much, but Buchanan politicized that belief as never before.

Instead of Buchanan, however, voters eventually turned not to Bush, who would have been bad enough, but to Clinton, and McVeigh’s political rage found a new fixation. Judging from Toobin’s account, it is impossible to overestimate McVeigh’s hatred of Clinton, especially after the conflagration in Waco barely three months into his presidency, which to the extreme right was proof that the government’s attack on guns and freedom had begun in earnest. Through 1993 into 1994, right-wing talk radio inciters led by Limbaugh fanned the flames further with malicious conspiracy mongering, including the cruel lie that the Clintons had been responsible for the death of deputy White House counsel Vince Foster, their old friend who had committed suicide after being subjected to a campaign of false accusations of wrongdoing by the conservative editorial writers of The Wall Street Journal.

During a brief visit home, McVeigh startled his father by muttering, whenever Clinton appeared on the TV, “Someone should kill that son of a bitch.” What he hoped someone else would do to the president, McVeigh did symbolically to the First Lady. In the late summer of 1994, while living in a house in rural Kansas and having finally decided to take up arms against the government, McVeigh and Nichols thought they should work on their sharpshooting. McVeigh set up a life-size silhouette for a target to which he then attached a photograph of Hillary Clinton.

Apart from the Waco fiasco and the right-wing media assaults, Clinton’s presidency got off to a rocky start, as an early ginned-up controversy over gays in the military gave way to hard fights over passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement and a vicious struggle over the administration’s ambitious health care reform plan. By the late summer of 1994, the health care bill was spiraling toward defeat. With the midterm elections looming, Clinton and congressional Democrats were determined to show the voters a major victory. They got it in September when, after heavy lobbying by the White House, the Senate passed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban as a crucial part of the administration’s comprehensive Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act—the seriously misunderstood Crime Bill of 1994, now widely maligned as a racist measure to incarcerate blacks.4

Prohibiting for ten years the manufacture for civilian use of certain semiautomatic weapons and large-capacity ammunition magazines, the measure aimed to curtail a recent alarming rise in the number of mass shootings. It was successful, not only in that regard but in reducing the proportion of overall gun deaths due to mass shootings, until the George W. Bush administration allowed it to lapse in 2004, with horrible if predictable long-term results. At the time, though, the ban was politically risky for the White House and the Democrats in view of Republican opposition to any limitations on gun manufacturing and ownership. The following January, shortly after taking office as Speaker, Newt Gingrich assured the NRA that, with a Republican majority, “no gun control legislation is going to move in committee or on the floor of this House.”

More than historians have allowed, the assault weapons ban was a major contributing factor to the Democrats’ historic defeat in the 1994 midterm elections. For McVeigh, however, as he later told his lead attorney, the ban was “the last straw.” Clinton’s signing in 1993 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, requiring background checks on individuals attempting to purchase certain firearms—named in honor of Reagan’s press secretary James Brady, who was shot and partially paralyzed during John Hinckley Jr.’s assassination attempt on Reagan in 1981—had angered McVeigh. But as the indictment papers against him stated, the plot that led to the bombing began on September 13, 1994, the date that Clinton signed the assault weapons bill.

Although McVeigh may at that moment have wanted more than ever to see the president dead, he took instruction from The Turner Diaries and blew up the Murrah Building. But as Toobin emphasizes, although McVeigh attacked the federal government, hoping to initiate its overthrow, he also had a more specific target in mind: the Clinton administration. To that extent, he was perfectly aligned with his political heroes on the Republican right, who would continue to escalate their war on Clinton long after McVeigh was gone, on into the impeachment and the succeeding volume, chronologically, of Toobin’s multivolume history of the era.

Toobin wants his readers to understand how the politics of the mid-1990s prefigured those of our own times and how the slaughter of April 19, 1995, connects to the rampage of January 6, 2021. The links are vivid enough: in the assurance that sinister “globalist” forces are either about to take control of the country or already have; in what Toobin calls “the belief in the value and power of violence”; in an obsession with gun ownership that reduces the entire Constitution to a twisted version of the Second Amendment; in a crackpot narrative of American history that turns liberalism into tyranny on the supposed authority of Thomas Jefferson. “How dare you call yourselves patriots and heroes!” Clinton declared in 1995, adding that “there is nothing patriotic about…pretending that you can love your country but despise your government.” In 2022 Joe Biden proclaimed that “we can’t be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American.”

The largest difference between now and then, Toobin says, is frightening. Whereas McVeigh, only superficially a lone terrorist, found a kind of community in right-wing periodicals, talk radio call-ins, and far-flung gun shows, the Internet and social media have at once vastly enlarged that community and tightened its connections, with billions of unfiltered rants and orders and falsehoods flashing through the ether. McVeigh thought it would take a grandiose act of targeted terror to arouse what he only sensed was an immense army of like-minded militant patriots. Today’s extremists not only know with certainty that the army exists; they are in contact with it and are counting on its triumph, whether in the Storm or the boogaloo or some other revolutionary apocalypse. And with the Clinton assault weapons ban a distant memory, they are armed to the teeth.

But while it warns about the present danger, Homegrown also illuminates and bids us to reckon with the larger history of what happened in 1995. Not only do today’s distempers date back well before Trump or the Tea Party; they originated well before the inflamed mid-1990s, taking their modern form during the presidency of Ronald Reagan, who encouraged them with his denunciations of the federal government as a malevolent force.

And there is an even longer history behind that. The great revolutions in American history—from the nation’s founding through Emancipation, Reconstruction, the Progressive Era, and the New Deal—have been predicated on the idea, inscribed in the Constitution, that it is the nation, the more perfect Union striven for in 1787, that is best equipped to secure the common good and the general welfare. Counterrevolutionaries in their various forms—nullifiers, Confederates, so-called Redeemers overthrowing Reconstruction, anti–New Deal Liberty Leaguers—have fought that idea, never more successfully than in the long counterrevolution begun under Reagan. Though resisted and even halted from time to time, that reaction, steadily radicalized, has now turned a substantial number of Americans against their own government, and they are ready and willing to use violence for their retribution. In the process, large and influential elements of the party of Abraham Lincoln—a party that fought against one such counterrevolution—have become captive to that subversive rage.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 11, 2023 12:12 AM

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We all know that Second is the most likely person on FFF.net to spend the rest of his life in prison for violent behavior.



Maybe we should put that to a vote with all the remaining members?



I'm going to post what the voting tally would look like right here. Anybody who thinks I'm wrong about them feel free to reply.


Jack: Second
JSF: Second
Jaynez: Second
Sigs: Second
Second: Jack
Ted: Jack
Brenda: Abstain

Tell me that I'm wrong.

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Thursday, March 7, 2024 8:18 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Joker: Folie à Deux/Budget 200 million USD

By December 2023, Gunn revealed he worked on the film as a consultant, reviewing shot material and giving his notes regarding it. The film reportedly has a budget of $200 million, a large increase from Joker's budget of $60 million.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker:_Folie_%C3%A0_Deux#Post-production

There is slightly different number at The Numbers:
Joker Production Budget: $55,000,000
(worldwide box office is 19.3 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Joker-(2019)#tab=summary

How to explain the discrepancy between production budgets? Maybe Inflation!
$55,000,000 in 2019 dollars is approximately $65,000,000 in 2024 dollars.
https://tools.carboncollective.co/inflation/us/2019/55/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 7, 2024 9:18 AM

JAYNEZTOWN




Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, known professionally as Lady Gag

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Thursday, March 7, 2024 10:46 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


$200 Million is beyond stupid.

I've got just about zero interest in watching this flick, mostly because of the fact that Lady GaGa is actually going to be in it and that wasn't just some dumb internet rumor and I've heard it's going to be a musical?

If it's a musical, it's DOA and it isn't going to make the $500 Million it needs to break even. Not a chance.


This was a movie that didn't even need a continuation in the first place, so unless they've got some amazing story to tell, nearly quadrupling the budget was a terrible mistake.

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Thursday, March 7, 2024 11:12 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
$200 Million is beyond stupid.

I've got just about zero interest in watching this flick, mostly because of the fact that Lady GaGa is actually going to be in it and that wasn't just some dumb internet rumor and I've heard it's going to be a musical?

If it's a musical, it's DOA and it isn't going to make the $500 Million it needs to break even. Not a chance.


This was a movie that didn't even need a continuation in the first place, so unless they've got some amazing story to tell, nearly quadrupling the budget was a terrible mistake.
The producers see Joker 2 as an opportunity for the "talent" to swindle the studio. That is why the budget went from $60 million for Joker 1 to $200 million for Joker 2. Bigger budgets mean more to steal. Who cares more? The producers who rob the studio of $150 million from the budget? Or the ticket purchaser who says Joker 2 wasn't as good as Joker 1, but it was okay to take my Dad to it so he would understand why I am such a disappointment compared to my older brothers?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 7, 2024 12:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The problem is you can only steal from the pot so much until there's nothing left to steal.

Warner Bros. isn't mortally wounded yet, but it already is bleeding pretty heavily, and they're not going to have a Barbie in 2024 to save their asses again.

Everything about this movie so far points to it being a loser.

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Monday, July 22, 2024 11:27 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


"Just Dance" or 'Poker Face'

spent time renting herself out at Lollapalooza and Shitcago



opening act on the Pussycat Dolls' 2009 Doll Domination Tour in Europe and Oceania


then 2022 gossip?

'The A/A- list singer/actress is now in the crosshairs of this actress/talk show host/reality star who goes against the celebrity cult any chance she can.'

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2022/05/blind-items-revealed-2_0776
361570.html

whats happened with them since

a weird Witchcraft Satanic Occult creepy show



That dumb Brad Pitt movie



Todd Phillips has done nothing

while Robert De Niro said he wants to punch Trump, but in reality an open border and relatives dead grandson dead, Drena De Niro says fentanyl killed her son




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Monday, July 22, 2024 11:33 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


King of Comedy already discussed in this thread


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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 2:34 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


The Madness of Two or Mad Together ... a weird musical ?




looks really pretentious...because everything needs to be a franchise sequel that says something?

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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 8:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


My interest in this movie is absolute zero.

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Thursday, July 25, 2024 2:49 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


PLAYING THE JOKER?




might watch some of this instead

Joker Harris


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Thursday, July 25, 2024 2:51 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Sixstring you say your interest in this movie is zero.

but..

are there a few Jesters

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Thursday, July 25, 2024 2:51 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


happier??


www.
youtube.
com/
watch?v=969tHQDkB3g


Jesters?

Kamala Harris is the Joker


www.
youtube.
com/
watch?v=JkhJnPJqWSI

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
My interest in this movie is absolute zero.


You can make your own 5 min movie, the machine can give you a script with animation and musical sound

Kamala Harris as Joker, portrait by Alan Lee, Ralph McQuarrie style, facing camera cinematic

https://openart.ai/discovery/md-db4875b2-dc2d-471b-9126-d7198f489526

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Thursday, July 25, 2024 9:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
happier??




Jesters?

Kamala Harris is the Joker



Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
My interest in this movie is absolute zero.


You can make your own 5 min movie, the machine can give you a script with animation and musical sound

Kamala Harris as Joker, portrait by Alan Lee, Ralph McQuarrie style, facing camera cinematic

https://openart.ai/discovery/md-db4875b2-dc2d-471b-9126-d7198f489526


As funny as that all could be, I'm not playing with that AI.

If a service is "free" than you are the product. And since AI is here to stay and only getting
"smarter" all the time, I don't feel like giving it any ideas about me with what I feed into it.
Especially considering who created it and who is governing it.



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Thursday, July 25, 2024 9:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Sixstring you say your interest in this movie is zero.

but..

are there a few Jesters


I do not follow?

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Friday, July 26, 2024 12:04 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


if Joker got into the machine would that be too scary, in the original Burton movie the Joker starts terrorizing Gotham by lacing almost random hygiene products with "Smylex" – a deadly chemical that causes victims to die laughing. Batman provides journalist Vikki with all of his research on Smylex, which will allow Gotham's residents to escape the toxin. Batman figures out the combo and also foils the Joker poison Ballon plan by using his Batwing to remove the balloons...despite Joker being so dark he is almost kind of funny in a weird dark humor way, maybe because you know its 'a show' the comocbook world is not real but fiction?


Comedy is hard to translate from one culture to another but can a Robot AI do stand-up? Comedy can be visual and there seems to be a linguistic element to Comedy an expectation with grammar, syntax, nouns, verbs but then something ironic and unexpected. Yet very difficult to translate a joke from one language to another. which is why it does not translate. Can AI figure out how to translate a joke from one culture one century to another, if there is a math formula for comedy maybe AI can do it also.

However at this moment we are at one of the more radical divided controversial times. A group of pranksters can feed AI nonsense then it will praise Joe Stalin or Marxists. For a while Microsoft had chatbots but then it stopped for a while as 4Chan and other trolling people messed with it, it began to even praise 'Hitler' this was caused by trolls who "attacked". It can go very wrong.

The Best AI Jokes of the Month: February Edition
https://medium.com/@innovirtuoso/the-best-ai-jokes-of-the-month-february-edition-edacbc951639

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Friday, July 26, 2024 5:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You're never going to make an A.I. that is funny to everyone.

The only way you could do that is if they figure out how to "Demolition Man" the entire population into truly homogeneous thinking. And then the A.I. could tell "Dad Jokes" all day long and have people on the ground laughing.

But even in that universe, Dennis Leary and all his people eating rat burgers in the sewers aren't going to find it funny.

You can control some of the people some of the time, but you can't control all of the people all of the time.

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Monday, August 5, 2024 8:17 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


The Joker- The Prodigal Son



Midjourney and then fed through Luma Dream Machine and the newest AI powerhouse, Kling.

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Monday, August 12, 2024 8:17 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Carpet Munchers

Sandra Bernhard reflects on 'sad' breakdown of her relationship with former bestie Madonna after mysterious falling-out
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13691283/Sandra-Bernhard
-sad-Madonna-stopped-friends.html

Open Borders and Drug Deaths

Robert De Niro's Daughter Drena Honors Late Son Leandro on His 21st Birthday: 'My Little Angel'
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/robert-niros-daughter-drena-honors-190718893
.html

Doc on Jerry Lewis’ Lost Holocaust Film ‘The Day the Clown Cried’ Gets Venice Classics Spot
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/jerry-lewis-holoca
ust-clown-cried-venice-documentary-film-1235955289/

A Moment in the Spotlight: On The King of Comedy
https://www.rogerebert.com/far-flung-correspondents/king-of-comedy

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Monday, August 26, 2024 7:36 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


‘Joker 3’ not happening, says director Todd Phillips

https://www.nme.com/news/film/joker-3-not-happening-says-director-todd
-phillips-3785422


Lost his 'star Power'? ... Beau Is Afraid...C'mon_C'mon





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Monday, October 7, 2024 7:14 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Monday, October 14, 2024 4:20 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


in movie one Arthur Fleck is a failed comedian who dives deeply into nihilism and he's insane

He shoots the guy on tv, and a fanbase of Clowns are out in full force, rioting, destroying property, burning cars, and killing people, as Arthur smiles, and is cheered and pointed at by the rioters.

Joker 2 is the Ass Raped plot and dumped by Lady Gaga and a bad musical on top of all that nonsense

'3 out of 10'




is Todd Phillips into the Occult the Royal Order of Jesters? they chant 'Mirth is King', icon of the Order Lodge is the Billiken they were carved from Alaska Ivory and a doll can be seen at the Tsutenkaku tower in Japan.
How much did the new Todd Phillips movie ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ cost to make?

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/how-much-todd-phillips-movie-joker-folie-
a-deux-cost-to-make/

'The Hellscape of Clown World: A Mirror of Madness'
https://the-dark-lore.fandom.com/wiki/Clown_World

quoting

Quote:
The Clown Assembly reigns supreme, their nonsensical edicts echoing through the inverted spires and topsy-turvy valleys of this mad domain.


I never liked the first movie

but

Phillips said in 2019, in the aftermath of his dark drama Joker release, that he had stopped making comedy films because of the backlash of "woke culture", saying: "Go try to be funny nowadays... There were articles written about why comedies don't work anymore – I'll tell you why, because all the fucking funny guys are like, 'Fuck this shit, because I don't want to offend you'. It's hard to argue with 30 million people on Twitter."
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/10/joaquin-phoenix-cover-sto
ry

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Sunday, October 27, 2024 5:05 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


the first some people liked

I've always said the first movie was crap, dung, cultural sewage, 'A HeapOfShit'

Joker 2 : A Generational Flop - Straight to Digital!




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Sunday, October 27, 2024 1:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I've always said the first movie was crap, dung, cultural sewage, 'A HeapOfShit'


I disagree that it was crap.

I don't think I disagree with the cultural sewage assessment though.


To this day, I still don't know if I can say I "liked" the movie. I have no intention of ever watching it again, not even to evaluate it.

I'm not a gore/horror guy at all. It had more gore content than I usually would ever find acceptable, but given the subject matter it could have been much, much darker and I feel that the proper amount of restraint was used. I believe it was Auraptor who convinced me that the level of gore in the movie wasn't going to be disagreeable with me, and fortunately he was correct.

But the whole movie is Joaquin Phoenix. Without him, there was no Joker movie. Or at least no Joker movie that anybody cared about or had a shitty sequel made. I called the movie an "experience" when I saw it back in 2019. I also said it was exhausting. Though memories of the details of the movie and the plot have faded, those feelings still remain 5 years later.

It was a trip I'm glad that I made, but I have no interest in ever making again.



As for it being cultural sewage... Yeah. But is it creating problems or is it just holding a mirror up to society?




The strangest thing about Joker was the general reaction to it.

The initial critical appeal was insane. It won a lot of indie awards before the US Media got to it and started ripping it to shreds. Once our media got to it they said that it catered to "incel" mentality and it was grooming young men to become Alt-Right Nazis or some nonsense. They were absolutely sure that at least one theater was going to be shot up. And that never happened.

The fact that our media didn't absolutely fall in love with this movie is just baffling. It was every white college "educated" activist's wet dream. That's who Arthur was. We saw it every day during the Summer of Love after drug addict and street abortionist George Floyd overdosed on meth. And from time to time since then we've seen similar Fatherless Jokers in the streets and on college campuses.

So somehow Todd got it in his head that all those dirty, no-good white males that work for a living and didn't go to college found Arthur to be a hero instead of the white college "educated" activists he was intending to idolize. He was just so mad that nobody understood his masterpiece that he conned the studio to give him $200 Million so he could pay himself 10% of that and give Arthur the most expensive funeral in history.

R.I.P. Artie. We hardly knew ye.

Womp Womp.

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Sunday, November 3, 2024 7:49 AM

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Dana Carvey Explains Why His ‘SNL’ Lady Gaga Joke “Didn’t Land”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dana-carvey-explains-why-snl-174704866.html

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DC and Marvel seem to have trouble with some of their expensive movies

maybe they should go back to the cartoon thing for a while


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I can't wait to see Kraven crash and burn.

It probably makes some money just because there isn't anything better to watch though. It's not going to be like when The Marvels and Wish wrapped up Disney's year of abject failure with two of their biggest bombs, just because I don't see anything that looks like a Wonka or even to a lesser degree an Aquaman 2 that will draw people's attention away from it.

Although, I didn't think Wonka was going to be a success and I was very wrong about that, to maybe Kraven will have enough competition for us to get a really good laugh out of it.

That would be nice. It's been a really boring year in Hollywood overall. I found much less enjoyment tracking it this year compared to last year.

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