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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm super annoyed right now at the state of box office reporting this week(end).

We still haven't gotten an update on Sound of Freedom since Tuesday.

Talk To Me's Domestic weekend is the only movie on the list that is still projections and not actual numbers, and it's after 7PM on Monday.

Though TTM got a couple of bucks internationally on the-numbers.com, it's obvious it didn't get the weekend update and Bruce hasn't yet reconciled his internationals with whatever BOM has been reporting.

... Maybe tomorrow.

Saturday/Sunday's Numbers (Pre-International):

1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,455% (+0%)
3. Talk to Me - 1,444% (+22)
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% [FINAL]
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]


SoF needs 54% to beat M3GAN. (About $8 Million)
SoF is 11% above Talk To Me.


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Though not nearly as severe as the difference between the-numbers and BOM as Talk To Me is right now, the international number for SoF is now $28,709,212 at BOM and remains only at $27,565,724 at the-numbers. That's an additional $1,143,488, as opposed to the additional $4.3 Million or so at BOM for Talk To Me.

BOM doesn't give us a whole lot to work with, but they did release Sep 14-17 numbers for Columbia, which was $611,764, or only a 30.9% drop after the previous weekend's 19.5% drop. It's probably well over $10 Million in Mexico at this point. Maybe in the area of $12-$13 Million.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Today no changes from Bruce.

BOM added Russia, and also updated UAE - with full details for the week.
UAE: Larger weekly BO than last week, and largest weekday BO since it opened on 17 August.
Weekend BO ranked #7 - the highest so far.
Ranked #4 in $ per theater.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I'm super annoyed right now at the state of box office reporting this week(end).

Talk To Me's Domestic weekend is the only movie on the list that is still projections and not actual numbers, and it's after 7PM on Monday.

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TTM is from UK, and they have never updated Friday through Thurs until the next Thurs/Fri. Their green projection numbers stay that way until then. Every week. I expect their update on Thurs or Fri.

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No. They don't. There's been little rhyme or reason to how Talk To Me's numbers have been reported since the beginning, sometimes not updating for at least as long as we've waited for an update from SoF right now. But any "pattern" that you think you've witnessed is just imagined here.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have "targets" that I expect from International, due to various factors. These are a reminder for me. They are likely to be wrong.

$14 M for UK
$7 M for Mexico, Australia, Brazil
$5 M for Peru
$3 M from NZ, Colombia, Argentina

These add up to $49 M. If they make half of that, plus another $4M from the rest of the world, then that would be $29M, and SoF would pass by Megan's 1505%.

I am not sure about some releases. Which countries are English speaking? I'll conjure that Spanish speaking countries will get a dubbed version of the film. Some countries with other languages, I don't know if they are being dubbed, or just released as "Foreign Language" film, like in art houses.

Updates from Bruce for International, plus BOM International are incomplete, missing, or conflict.

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After 3 weekends, UK has 30% of it's target. On the strength of Woke, this is a miss.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Today Bruce updated Australia, NZ, Mexico. Total again remained unchanged, since 12 Sept. The first 2 early in the day, and Mexico sometime in afternoon or evening.
Mexico actually did better than the 38% factor that Colombia did.

I'll update Mexico when BOM posts the update.
Nothing new today at BOM.
I expect Mexico to update at BOM tomorrow, possibly late at night. Might also get all of the other Latin America countries. Some countries only update every 2 weeks. These all updated on 12 Sept.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
After my post last night, Bruce added in UK update, without changing a single digit of "rest of the world' or "total"
I assume it was last night because the update has the date listed as the 25th.


Pretty sure Bruce is using Voodoo math, being opaque and just making up numbers.

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Bruce links are dead, not interactive. BOM looks pretty opaque, intermittent, even for Oppenheimer.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Weird.
Poking around at BOM, rthe Mexico figures are in the Mexico page, but even refreshing does not update the main page, which lists the old figure for Mexico.

I'll add it in.

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ETA: Also looks like all of the prior weeks of data for UAE have been deleted.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So far today, nothing has changed at BOM.
The Numbers has added Russia figures from the weekend, but - again - not a single digit has changed in the "rest of the world" or "total" fields.

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So with what I feel are my VERY CONSERVATIVE estimates that don't even include two countries we know it has been playing in for the last month, that's another additional $10.7 Million that should be grossed Internationally up through this weekend that remains unreported on BOM along with the paltry $80k or so it might make Domestic for SoF.

That would be $10.8M more for SoF and $1.7M for TTM on the (Theoretical) chart for Thursday above and we'd have the following...

TOTAL TTM: $ 71,215,076
TOTAL SoF: $223,629,390

Weekend (Theoretical) Post-International Numbers:

1. Talk to Me - 1,578% ()
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,545% ()
3. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% [FINAL]
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]

SoF needs 34% to beat Talk To Me. (About $5 Million)

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Though probably not likely, there is a small chance that at the end of this weekend with Brazil's opening weekend included, SoF could get the $17 Million that it needed if Bruce were to update absolutely everything as of Sunday night.

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I said "just add half a million for all the other countries". That was another conservative lowball guess that probably isn't true, but we don't have enough data yet to know otherwise. The unexpected $90k or so from Poland helps.

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Sound of Freedom is now a $230 Million movie. That's the absolute bottom going forward. This will put it up close to 1,600% with the $14.5 Million budget figure. If it somehow manages $240 Million, that would be over 1650%.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So far today, nothing has changed at BOM.
The Numbers has added Russia figures from the weekend, but - again - not a single digit has changed in the "rest of the world" or "total" fields.

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It's the "International Total" field that remains unchanged through all these updates.

The "Rest of World" field changes all the time. That's where he's digging the money out of so the International Total never goes up, and why I asked WTF he was doing.

This morning, "Rest of World" reads $9,783,953.

Last night, "Rest of World" read $9,904,630. https://archive.ph/CwvL3

On 09/17, "Rest of World" read $14,804,652. https://archive.ph/PUnBM

Throughout all these changes, the "International Total" has remained $27,565,724.


As I stated on the 25th:

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None of the numbers for the 16 Latin America countries on BOM have gone up since the archive I took on the 22nd here: https://archive.ph/URMtg

If you don't include Mexico's $7,477,850 they have on record, the rest of those 15 countries added up to $12,384,396.

Bruce's current "Rest of World" is now $2,479,766 less than that combined total, with no country-specific spots on his table for any of them.

Up until now, the-numbers and BOM were reasonably close to each other for the international totals, with BOM pulling away by close to $1.8 Million being only a recent event.

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To date, none of these Latin American numbers, excluding Mexico, have gone up at BOM since I made that statement on the 25th.

And in that same time period, the difference between BOM's international total and the-numbers international total has ballooned to $5,222,537.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So far today, nothing has changed at BOM.
The Numbers has added Russia figures from the weekend, but - again - not a single digit has changed in the "rest of the world" or "total" fields.

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It's the "International Total" field that remains unchanged through all these updates.

The "Rest of World" field changes all the time. That's where he's digging the money out of so the International Total never goes up, and why I asked WTF he was doing.

This morning, "Rest of World" reads $9,783,953.

Last night, "Rest of World" read $9,904,630. https://archive.ph/CwvL3

On 09/17, "Rest of World" read $14,804,652. https://archive.ph/PUnBM

Throughout all these changes, the "International Total" has remained $27,565,724.


As I stated on the 25th:

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None of the numbers for the 16 Latin America countries on BOM have gone up since the archive I took on the 22nd here: https://archive.ph/URMtg

If you don't include Mexico's $7,477,850 they have on record, the rest of those 15 countries added up to $12,384,396.

Bruce's current "Rest of World" is now $2,479,766 less than that combined total, with no country-specific spots on his table for any of them.

Up until now, the-numbers and BOM were reasonably close to each other for the international totals, with BOM pulling away by close to $1.8 Million being only a recent event.

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To date, none of these Latin American numbers, excluding Mexico, have gone up at BOM since I made that statement on the 25th.

And in that same time period, the difference between BOM's international total and the-numbers international total has ballooned to $5,222,537.

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Not quite.
When I posted that, the "rest of the world" was still at the 9.904M figure, which was after the Russia update was there. You looked at it after that.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I posted that the Russia figures were posted, while not a single digit of the rotw or total had changed. That was an accurate observation and statement.
Those 3 data points conflict with each other. I have seen that happen numerous times.
I was pointing that out, mostly for your benefit, since I doubt many others care about it.

If you need a list of data from different dates, I can provide such. However, the time stamps, which seem to be critical, I might not have recorded.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Attempting to extrapolate an estimate of Latin America Box Office for last 2 weeks, based upon performance from Mexico and Colombia.
This is not likely to be highly accurate, because scenes in the film actually take place in Mexico, Colombia, Honduras.

As of 10 Sept, the combined Box Office of the 14 other Latin American countries was reported as $8,912,582 by BOM.

At that time Mexico was $7,477,850 and Colombia was $2,507,576.

In the 2 weeks since then Colombia has added another 60.0% of it's total, which would suggest 14 others would have another $5,353,348 if they followed suit.

In those 2 weeks, Mexico has added another 45.47% of it's total, which would suggest 14 others would have another $4,052,357 if they followed suit.

If we ever find out, I wonder how closely those will align.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think it is already another $1.213 M added since last week's totals. Not including the 2 week bump from Mexico.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I should make posts like that more often.

Within 4 hours, BOM updated Croatia, Iceland, UAE, NZ.

Croatia had a 1% drop on it's weekend. Which increased it's rank to 3rd. Also had more $ per theater, still keeping it's #2 rank there.
Iceland had the highest $ per theater for weekdays, of any week that we have data for.
NZ increased the number of theaters.
UAE still has the 5th highest $ per theater for the weekend - holding on since opening on 17 August.


No changes from Bruce.


I gotta say, with 1/10th the market size, Iceland is whipping a$$ on Lithuania here.

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