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***** Sound of Freedom

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Wednesday, July 5, 2023 7:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


This is the best film I've seen this year. Probably in 2 years or more.
This film is a true story.

I give it 5 Stars.
Intense, harrowing, gritty, adventurous.
BIG DAMN HEROICS - in Real Life.

I went to see this on July 4th, opening Day.
I was disappointed to find that the show I intended was grayed out, the only grayed oout listing on the board at the Box Office. It was Sold Out. I decided to get a ticket for the next show, about an hour later. I got the last seat for that showing. With an hour to kill, I wandered the halls of this Cineplex.
Of 16 screens at this plex, 4 were showing Sound of Freedom. The display screens at the entrances show which seats are available and sold in the theater. All 4 screens of SoF had no available seats. Every other film had available seats for their showings. Spiderman and Mermaid had 1/2 to 4/5 of their seats available.
3 hours later, after exiting the film, I looked again - same thing. SoF with zero seats available, every single other film had seats available.
It has been more than a week of 90 degree temps here.

Before I forget, there is a sort of coda. You don't need me to tell you, because when credits roll, there is a countdown timer on screen stating Special Message. Nobody in the Sold Out theater left during the couple minutes the oountdown ran. During the countdown, you should get your phone turned on, although they don't state that right away. There were no other codas.

I've seen several films this year. John Wick 4, Knock At The Cabin, others which I have not had time to post about here (I really should do Knock).
Sound of Freedom is the best film so far this year.
Last year was Maverick, which created discontinuity with reality when Tom cowtowed to the Chinese. SoF is better, it is in continuity with reality - because it is a true story.
The year before was Free Guy. Both Maverick and Free Guy are more fun, but Sound of Freedom has far more gravitas.
Before Free Guy was Nobody. SoF reminded me of Nobody because of the grittiness of both films - lacking in Maverick and Free Guy. But Nobody is fiction, plus CGI. Sound of Freedom is a true story.
The closest comparison I can recall is Last Full Measure, but this is still better.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63515

Apparently, Sound of Freedom was completed 5 years ago, and then obstructed, attacked, blocked from release by powerful people and forces, like Big Tech.
Just for it to be on the big screen at all is a major triumph and victory over the corrupt pedophiles of Hollywood and Disney.

The lead actress, the female with the most screen time, is Alanna De La Rossa Cristal Aparicio, and she would have been 8 or 9 10 or 11 during filming.
Playing financial savior Pablo is Eduardo Verastegui, who is also Producer of the film. He once started a film company which would produce films which have an impact, just like this one.

I did not detect any CGI in this film. Again, it is a true story. There is one possible piece which may have had CGI in it.

5 years ago predates the Worst of Woke, where we are now. There is no Woke in this film. It is a true story, the antithesis of Woke. Truth, fact, and reality are the opposite of Woke.

One quote sequence sticks with me.
"but there is an Army of armed Rebels surrounding her!"
"yeah. So?"
Seems close to "I get it" from John Wick. (after "he killed my dog")


I did not find comic relief in this film. When I was in English class in Jr. High School, we read The Diary of Anne Frank. In our essay, we were required to comment on the comic relief in the book. When time to review all of the answers in the class, the teacher started by admitting that one student refused to address this facet, writing something like the caliber of evil/horror of this subject matter precludes any genuine comic relief, and the teacher gave her an A for that response (she later became our Valedictorian.)
Sound of Freedom does not need comic relief. You can handle it.

There is no surrealism like in Pan's Labyrinth. This is a true story.

The end of the film, the Epilogue, included actuality clips and shots of events in 2015. Meaning that the events of the body of this film occurred during the Obamination/Obiden heyday of trafficking Child Sex Slaves, drugs, and guns. So if you are an Obamabot but have since grown a conscience, you might be ashamed or revulsed by yourself, but otherwise normal folk should have no problems.
I just heard Obiden has helped traffic more than 2 million more Child Sex Slaves since Stealing Election 2020. He has come up with so many scams to help the Cartels that it is hard to keep track of them all. That candidate (Victor Avila) running for Texas-23 has been spilling the beans quite a bit.

Everybody should see this, in theaters, for various reasons. You have no excuse.
This could be a date night film, unless your date has faint heart - it is a heavy underlying subject matter. Don't bring the little kids.
Child Sex Trafficking is an International enterprise, and this film encompasses that. So if you are in another country, this film should still apply.


more later
This thread has grown, and many posts are about things outside of the film.
For purposes of consolidation, I will try to paste in some of the review type posts into this OP.



From 1 August:
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I have failed to mention things Inoticed when I watched Soound of Freedom a second time.

The music, score were beautiful, poignant, and haunting. If the same piece, the final time has lyrics, which are translated to English and shown in subscript.

Alannah De La Rossa is listed in the credits, but I didn't catch exactly what the credit was. It was after character credits, with a group of Stand-In credits.

Many of the actors on the imdb page now have pictures, images - before they were mostly blank.

The imdb page for Cristal Aparicio as Rocio now has photos, from her screen shots in Sound of Freedom, which obviously were 5 years ago.

I forgot to mention the first time that the credits do include a list of the THOUSANDS of individuals and families who supported or contributed or funded this production, or it's Distribution campaign - this may be the "crowd-funding" apparatus I have read about. These are listed primarily in alphabetical order.

Again this second time, nobody left the theater during the countdown to the Special Message.

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Wednesday, July 5, 2023 7:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Mojo and Numbers were asleep most of the day, making no mention at all about this film on Opening Day.

HITC had some info. It says it is a "Low Budget" film at $25 million to produce.
It is expected to make about $20 million in it's first 6 days of release. Opening in 2,600 theaters.

They also mentioned that the studio had admitted they had $10 million of pre-sold tickets.



Later in the day, Numbers woke up and reported &14.2 million Box Office on Tuesday.
AFAICT, this makes it the 5th ranked Domestic Tuesday Opening Box Office in history.
1. Spiderman 2019 ($39.2)
2. Transformers 2007 ($27.8)
3. Les Miserables 2012 ($18.1)
4. DJango Unchained 2012 ($15.0)
5. Sound of Freedom 2023 ($14.2)


Also, the 2nd-10th films (for July 4) combined contributed less than $9 million to the Box Office for Tuesday.

Sound of Freedom earned over $5,400 per theater. I don't recall how good that is.


If there was only $4 million of same-day Box Office sales, that is still twice what the 2nd-most ticketed film was.

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Wednesday, July 5, 2023 11:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Mojo and Numbers were asleep most of the day, making no mention at all about this film on Opening Day.

HITC had some info. It says it is a "Low Budget" film at $25 million to produce.
It is expected to make about $20 million in it's first 6 days of release. Opening in 2,600 theaters.

They also mentioned that the studio had admitted they had $10 million of pre-sold tickets.




For the most part, the actual numbers are even better than what you were told...

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/7/anee9p5qc0z1dy8iedjt0rfp5972z3

And yeah... I didn't hear shit about this movie until just now, only noticing that you made a post about it after I posted about it in the Indiana Jones failure thread.



The budget was a lean $15 Million, so in one single day it only came up less than $800k short of that. I'm assuming that there was near zero marketing budget since I've never even heard of it before, but it should have no problem doubling the production budget, pretty quickly.

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Also, the 2nd-10th films (for July 4) combined contributed less than $9 million to the Box Office for Tuesday.


This is incorrect. Indy 5 alone made $11,698,989 on Tuesday, but it was still knocked out of 1st place on its 5th day in the box office by Sound of Freedom, which is going to be a source of very much laughter from the YT community when they realize this is the case.



I didn't bother adding it up, but the 3rd place through 10th place movies made over $10 Million on Tuesday.

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Sound of Freedom earned over $5,400 per theater. I don't recall how good that is.


For a movie with a $15 million budget that wasn't advertised, this is FANTASTIC.

To put it in perspective, Indy 5, with a budget 20 times as large, only grossed $5,148 per theater on opening night, and it had a $300 Million production budget (But Indy 5 is a huge bomb). Avatar 2 (Not a bomb), made $12,661 per theater on opening night, but it also had a reported $460 Million budget, which was over 30 times as large as Sound of Freedom's budget.


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Later in the day, Numbers woke up and reported &14.2 million Box Office on Tuesday.
AFAICT, this makes it the 5th ranked Domestic Tuesday Opening Box Office in history.
1. Spiderman 2019 ($39.2)
2. Transformers 2007 ($27.8)
3. Les Miserables 2012 ($18.1)
4. DJango Unchained 2012 ($15.0)
5. Sound of Freedom 2023 ($14.2)



Though this may be true, it's kind of reaching, IMO. I don't imagine the list of movies that were released on a Tuesday in the history of US cinema is a very long one.

That being said, it is the 55th highest grossing Tuesday in the US box office of all time, which IS very impressive when you look at the list of 54 movies that topped it on what for most of them would be their 5th day of release and you realize how big all of their production budgets were compared to Sound of Freedom.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/bes
t-performance-by-day-of-the-week/tuesday


I mean, number 1 on that list is Spider-Man: Far From Home at $39,255,628, and that had a $160 Million production budget. Avatar 2's first Tuesday was only $24,128,503, and like I mentioned before, that had a $460 Million budget.


I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

And no matter what happens, it will be the movie that embarrassed Indiana Jones, Disney, Lucasfilm, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy by taking the crown from their most expensive movie of 2023 in only it's 5th day in the theaters. An amazing feat, even if we don't see it repeated again this weekend or otherwise going forward.



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Thursday, July 6, 2023 6:40 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Interesting this movie is doing well, I'm not sure it will be shown international. It was very rare to see any promotion or attention or advertising, human trafficking, exploitation and abuse of kids, illegal smuggling....the message perhaps it is opposite to Hollyweirdo culture, the people like Woody Allen, O J Simpson, Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey, R Kelly, Epstein, Weinstein, so does Hollyweird even want to touch such a subject.

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Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

And no matter what happens, it will be the movie that embarrassed Indiana Jones, Disney, Lucasfilm, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy by taking the crown from their most expensive movie of 2023 in only it's 5th day in the theaters. An amazing feat, even if we don't see it repeated again this weekend or otherwise going forward.




It didn't beat Indy 5 yesterday, but it did do another $4,047,558 in business, giving it $18,289,621 in only 2 days. It's going to sleepwalk past $20 Million in only 3 days.

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Thursday, July 6, 2023 5:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




The movie finished filming and was ready to go in 2018. But then Disney bought FOX and shelved it for years.

It's only fitting that it came out and took 1st place from Indy 5 on 4th of July when it finally did get released 5 years later.

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Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:39 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

And no matter what happens, it will be the movie that embarrassed Indiana Jones, Disney, Lucasfilm, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy by taking the crown from their most expensive movie of 2023 in only it's 5th day in the theaters. An amazing feat, even if we don't see it repeated again this weekend or otherwise going forward.

It didn't beat Indy 5 yesterday, but it did do another $4,047,558 in business, giving it $18,289,621 in only 2 days. It's going to sleepwalk past $20 Million in only 3 days.

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I don't expect folk who work for a living to fill the theaters on Wed and Thurs. And Tuesday tickets were hard to come by, every show was Sold Out.

Wednesday still had the highest per screen average in America. For Tuesday and Wed, SoF pulled in over $1M more than Indy5 did in those 2 days. Let's see how well it does over the weekend.

It is the best film of the year, so far.

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Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


ETA: The female lead, Rocio is played by Cristal Aparicio. Alanna De La Rossa is credited as her double, or stand-in, or something like that. After several weeks have passed since it's release, the imdb pages are much more filled out.


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The lead actress, the female with the most screen time, is Alanna De La Rossa, and she would have been 8 or 9 during filming.

This may be incorrect. I am not sure.


imdb credits Rocio as being played by Cristal Aparicio. Alanna De La Rossa has no role credited.
I am not sure if these are the same person. Both listed as Columbian born, but 2 years apart. No current photo for Cristal on imdb. Alanna has photo, but many of her credits have no role specified. They are both listed as appearing in a number of the same shows. Alanna has several credits saying "using a different name" without specifying what. Alanna seems to have current photos, but not much from 5 years ago, even on the web. Cristal has many photos on the web, looking like she did in the film 5 years ago, but apparently not much since then. The photos from the time where they may have switched names seem to be similar in appearance.

Cristal would have been 10-11 years old during filming.

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Thursday, July 6, 2023 8:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Mojo and Numbers were asleep most of the day, making no mention at all about this film on Opening Day.

HITC had some info. It says it is a "Low Budget" film at $25 million to produce.
It is expected to make about $20 million in it's first 6 days of release. Opening in 2,600 theaters.

They also mentioned that the studio had admitted they had $10 million of pre-sold tickets.

For the most part, the actual numbers are even better than what you were told...
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2023/7/anee9p5qc0z1dy8iedjt0rfp5972z3
And yeah... I didn't hear shit about this movie until just now, only noticing that you made a post about it after I posted about it in the Indiana Jones failure thread.

The budget was a lean $15 Million, so in one single day it only came up less than $800k short of that. I'm assuming that there was near zero marketing budget since I've never even heard of it before, but it should have no problem doubling the production budget, pretty quickly.

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Also, the 2nd-10th films (for July 4) combined contributed less than $9 million to the Box Office for Tuesday.
This is incorrect. Indy 5 alone made $11,698,989 on Tuesday, but it was still knocked out of 1st place on its 5th day in the box office by Sound of Freedom, which is going to be a source of very much laughter from the YT community when they realize this is the case.

You are correct. After waiting the whole day for Bruce to wake up (since you follow him, he must have also not ever heard of the best film of the year), when it finally posted. I went with it. i didn't know that he slow-rolls out the figures. When I finally saw it, there were 10 films total listed, with $24m as the total Box office take.
I still don't know what happened to Boogeyman in his charts.
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Sound of Freedom earned over $5,400 per theater. I don't recall how good that is.
For a movie with a $15 million budget that wasn't advertised, this is FANTASTIC.

To put it in perspective, Indy 5, with a budget 20 times as large, only grossed $5,148 per theater on opening night, and it had a $300 Million production budget (But Indy 5 is a huge bomb). Avatar 2 (Not a bomb), made $12,661 per theater on opening night, but it also had a reported $460 Million budget, which was over 30 times as large as Sound of Freedom's budget.
Quote:

Later in the day, Numbers woke up and reported &14.2 million Box Office on Tuesday.
AFAICT, this makes it the 5th ranked Domestic Tuesday Opening Box Office in history.
1. Spiderman 2019 ($39.2)
2. Transformers 2007 ($27.8)
3. Les Miserables 2012 ($18.1)
4. DJango Unchained 2012 ($15.0)
5. Sound of Freedom 2023 ($14.2)

Though this may be true, it's kind of reaching, IMO. I don't imagine the list of movies that were released on a Tuesday in the history of US cinema is a very long one.

That being said, it is the 55th highest grossing Tuesday in the US box office of all time, which IS very impressive when you look at the list of 54 movies that topped it on what for most of them would be their 5th day of release and you realize how big all of their production budgets were compared to Sound of Freedom.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/bes
t-performance-by-day-of-the-week/tuesday

I mean, number 1 on that list is Spider-Man: Far From Home at $39,255,628, and that had a $160 Million production budget. Avatar 2's first Tuesday was only $24,128,503, and like I mentioned before, that had a $460 Million budget.

I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

And no matter what happens, it will be the movie that embarrassed Indiana Jones, Disney, Lucasfilm, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy by taking the crown from their most expensive movie of 2023 in only it's 5th day in the theaters. An amazing feat, even if we don't see it repeated again this weekend or otherwise going forward.

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Does this qualify as a Low Budget film for 6ix?

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Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Does this qualify as a Low Budget film for 6ix?



Yes. And I do plan on seeing it with my old man.

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Friday, July 7, 2023 3:48 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

And no matter what happens, it will be the movie that embarrassed Indiana Jones, Disney, Lucasfilm, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy by taking the crown from their most expensive movie of 2023 in only it's 5th day in the theaters. An amazing feat, even if we don't see it repeated again this weekend or otherwise going forward.




It didn't beat Indy 5 yesterday, but it did do another $4,047,558 in business, giving it $18,289,621 in only 2 days. It's going to sleepwalk past $20 Million in only 3 days.

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No numbers on Indy yet, but that's another correct prediction.

$3,697,749 on Thursday, for a grand total of $21,987,370 in only 3 days for Sound of Freedom.

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Friday, July 7, 2023 3:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


In 3 days, almost up to $22M Box Office.

$1,400 per theater on a Thursday, when honest folk are busy working for a living.

Remember, Tuesday shows were Sold Out an hour before showtimes.

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Saturday, July 8, 2023 9:39 AM

WHOZIT


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
In 3 days, almost up to $22M Box Office.

$1,400 per theater on a Thursday, when honest folk are busy working for a living.

Remember, Tuesday shows were Sold Out an hour before showtimes.



Word of mouth has been a great help to this flick, plus it's getting good reviews (Not great) from the critics because there's no 'message'. I'm sure many critics thought it was going to be a right-wing message pic BUT, when they saw it wasn't they gave it good reviews...not great ones.

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Sunday, July 9, 2023 3:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

And no matter what happens, it will be the movie that embarrassed Indiana Jones, Disney, Lucasfilm, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy by taking the crown from their most expensive movie of 2023 in only it's 5th day in the theaters. An amazing feat, even if we don't see it repeated again this weekend or otherwise going forward.




It didn't beat Indy 5 yesterday, but it did do another $4,047,558 in business, giving it $18,289,621 in only 2 days. It's going to sleepwalk past $20 Million in only 3 days.

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No numbers on Indy yet, but that's another correct prediction.

$3,697,749 on Thursday, for a grand total of $21,987,370 in only 3 days for Sound of Freedom.

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Though it looks to have taken only 3rd place this weekend like Bruce predicted it would from the previews, it will cross $40 Million in only 6 days, which is double what they thought it would in that time frame.

I've also now heard that the budget was as low as $14 Million, and not the $20 Million that was initially reported.

Either way, it's already overcome the rule of thumb, grossing over $40 Million over a $20 Million budget. Given that there was hardly any marketing budget at all spent on this, if that $14 Million production budget is true it's already made some decent money in under a week.

I still think this was quite a heavily front loaded movie as far as attendance goes, but it should remain in theaters at least as long as Angel Studio's 1st movie earlier this year, which means it will probably get about 4 or 5 weeks in the box office. I could see it making $60 to $70 million in ticket sales by that time. Not bad for a movie nobody knew about that doesn't appear to have gotten any kind of international release.

Who knows? If word of mouth on this thing is strong it might even do better than that.

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Monday, July 10, 2023 7:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.

let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk PrScrn Rnk
4Jul 14.24 | 1 $5,407 1
8Jul 7.176 | 3 $2,431 2
9Jul 7.295 | 3 $2,471 1

other days...
5Jul 4.047 | 2 $1,537 1
6Jul 3.697 | 3 $1,404 2
7Jul 5.208 | 3 $1,764 2




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I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?

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Monday, July 10, 2023 8:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I should have mentioned 2000 Mules, but that was Documentary.

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Monday, July 10, 2023 9:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?



Interesting find there, that SoF took more per screen than Insidious did on Sunday. I didn't see that until you pointed it out, and I haven't heard anybody mention it.

Nice catch.

No. It won't even put a dent in MI:7 (8 doesn't come out until 2024). Tom Cruise is still Box Office gold and the MI franchise is an easy win against any of the movies that have come out in 2023 except possibly the SMB phenomenon.


Maybe I'm wrong about SoF. I don't want to be. I want this movie to succeed beyond anyone's expectations. But it does have two huge things going against it...

1. The entire Legacy Media is telling the normies not to go see it.
2. I haven't seen it yet, but from what I hear from people who sing its praises is that it's not an easy watch. Unless people are going back to see it again while dragging other people to see it, I can't imagine a lot of people thinking "boy. I'm so excited to see this movie for a second time.".

I mean, I liked Joker quite a bit more than most movies I've seen in the last decade, but it was a grueling watch and I don't ever intend to watch it again. And that movie wasn't based at all on reality.

I wish SoF all the best, and I do hope that I'm wrong and it has a very long run and educates a lot of people who've still got the blinders on.



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Tuesday, July 11, 2023 7:16 PM

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I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.


let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1

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I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?



Sound of Freedom is currently listed by the Numbers as having the 6th most theaters showing it, after bumping up that figure for the weekend.
First place for the day, again.

6ix, what do you expect to see for it's Last Week drop %? when Tuesday numbers come out?
Since that might not be fair, having July 4 a day off and all, what do you expect to see as the Last Week drop on Wednesday?


I forgot to note that Sunday SoF was the only film to have greater Box Office than on Saturday.
Yes, today Indy 5 is in 3rd place with Monday's Box Office.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2023 7:22 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?



Interesting find there, that SoF took more per screen than Insidious did on Sunday. I didn't see that until you pointed it out, and I haven't heard anybody mention it.

Nice catch.

No. It won't even put a dent in MI:7 (8 doesn't come out until 2024). Tom Cruise is still Box Office gold and the MI franchise is an easy win against any of the movies that have come out in 2023 except possibly the SMB phenomenon.


Maybe I'm wrong about SoF. I don't want to be. I want this movie to succeed beyond anyone's expectations. But it does have two huge things going against it...

1. The entire Legacy Media is telling the normies not to go see it.
2. I haven't seen it yet, but from what I hear from people who sing its praises is that it's not an easy watch. Unless people are going back to see it again while dragging other people to see it, I can't imagine a lot of people thinking "boy. I'm so excited to see this movie for a second time.".

1. I didn't know this. Does this mean that only folk who can think are allowed to watch it? That can seriously cut down on the potential saturation of audience. Let's see.... With about 267 million above 16, minus 85 million who supposedly are not allowed to think, that leaves only 182 million to see the film.
2. I do plan on seeing Sound of Freedom again, in cinema. The action, adventure is good, all the more due to being True Story. I plan to see at lest one film next Sunday. Either Dead Reckoning or SoF, or both.
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I mean, I liked Joker quite a bit more than most movies I've seen in the last decade, but it was a grueling watch and I don't ever intend to watch it again. And that movie wasn't based at all on reality.

I wish SoF all the best, and I do hope that I'm wrong and it has a very long run and educates a lot of people who've still got the blinders on.



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Tuesday, July 11, 2023 7:42 PM

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I should have mentioned 2000 Mules, but that was Documentary.

The pertinent similarity is the Investigative aspect.

2000 Mules wass a documentary about a bunch of investigative work on many fronts, regarding many crimes, and on a humungus scale, spanning every State in America..
Sound of Freedom has a few different investigations, blossoming from the prior levels. These end up being larger in terms of International reach, but still more concise and pointed than the Election.

Both films highlight known crimes, known practices, but track down the details.
Every reasonable person has always known Election 2020 was stolen, but 2000 Mules spells out much of the details, methods, practices of the crimes.
Every reasonable person has already known that Obama and Biden are major Child Sex Slave Traffickers, and have opened the border for the Cartels to fuel their personal wealth, and that Child Sex Slave Trafficking was choked off under Trump, abd flourishing again under Obiden. But SoF helps detail some of the ground-level details of a few individual cases.


I have been hearing media interacting with Jim Caviezel. I am getting the impression that they are trying to portray him as another Kirk Cameron douchebag. Like, trying to force his own personal brand of religion down everybody's throat.
I have never felt this was the case with Jim.
I have enjoyed his work. i enjoyed him in Wyatt Earp, G.I.Jane, Thin Red Line, Frequency. Pay It Forward is one of my favorite films. Angel Eyes, Count of Monte Cristo, High Crimes, Deja Vu, Escape Plan.
i loved that he did person of Interest. I kept trying to watch those episodes each week, mostly coming back to see his scenes. His scenes were the real pull for that series. They make me think he could have done Nobody very well.
In Sound of Freedom, he does well. But he also does not force the camera to show him as the central star of every scene, like we will likely see with TC in Dead Reckoning. Jim has many scenes where I felt he steps back and melds into the scenes, can be absorbed among the ensemble cast. While in other scenes, he is the force of the story moving forward, he doesn't stand down.

I look forward to seeing it again, in cinema.
The unsavory scenes, establishing the horrendous underlying theme of the crimes in the film, are not graphic, not in your face, but merely implied, enough for the adult viewer to know what is going on.
Ron Eldard once had an interview discussion about working on a film like this, with a child, and not letting the child know enough to damage their innocence - while still getting the performances which the film needs.
The girl is now old enough (5 years later) to not only understand what it is about, but even to see the film within the Rating Advisory.

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Tuesday, July 11, 2023 10:18 PM

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6ix, what do you expect to see for it's Last Week drop %? when Tuesday numbers come out?
Since that might not be fair, having July 4 a day off and all, what do you expect to see as the Last Week drop on Wednesday?



Yeah... That's not going to be fair at all. Not so much unfair, but not really a useful comparison.

Well... looking at The-Numbers right now and being amazed that SoF took 1st place again on Monday with a whopping $4 Million, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the drop for Wednesday will be negligible. In fact, I wonder if it would be a first time where a movie made more on a weekday during its second week than it did 7 days prior if that were to happen.

Why do I think it might actually make more this Wednesday than last?

Well take a look at any of the other movies playing right now that have had a decent box office, and then look at the money they made on Thursday night and tell me how many made more than that on the following Monday.

SPOILER ALERT: I see a few, but I don't think the extra money that Elemental made on Monday July 3rd counts with the holiday weekend. I certainly wouldn't count the Miles Morales sequel making more on Juneteenth than it did the previous Thursday. I don't think that Fast X making more on Memorial Day than the previous Thursday counts either.

But Sound of Freedom just did it. Taking 1st place from both Indy 5 and the weekend winner on Monday with $4,000,345 is extremely impressive when you consider that it only made $3,697,749 on the previous Thursday. It only fell $47k short of beating last Wednesday's number yesterday too.

So although I'd love to just tell you it's going to beat last Wednesday, I can't say that for sure. But if it doesn't, I don't see the loss being in the double digits. I am cautiously optimistic that it will gross more this Wednesday than it did last Wednesday.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Maybe I'm wrong about SoF. I don't want to be. I want this movie to succeed beyond anyone's expectations. But it does have two huge things going against it...

1. The entire Legacy Media is telling the normies not to go see it.
2. I haven't seen it yet, but from what I hear from people who sing its praises is that it's not an easy watch. Unless people are going back to see it again while dragging other people to see it, I can't imagine a lot of people thinking "boy. I'm so excited to see this movie for a second time.".

1. I didn't know this.



Really? You posted in the thread I made about it in the RWED about 23 hours earlier than you made this post today. I had like 7 or 8 videos on the topic there.

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Does this mean that only folk who can think are allowed to watch it? That can seriously cut down on the potential saturation of audience. Let's see.... With about 267 million above 16, minus 85 million who supposedly are not allowed to think, that leaves only 182 million to see the film.


They don't care about the ones who voted. Everything is so highly politicised that they know with a single word they can get most Democrats not to watch it. (And Conversely, with strong word of mouth there's a very good chance that a lot of people who voted the other way might end up seeing it even though a lot of them still haven't even heard of it).

They care about the normies. The ones who don't pay any mind to any of the politics and the ones who don't vote. There's a lot of sleeping people that they don't want waking up for any reason.



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2. I do plan on seeing Sound of Freedom again, in cinema. The action, adventure is good, all the more due to being True Story. I plan to see at lest one film next Sunday. Either Dead Reckoning or SoF, or both.


I wasn't speaking in absolutes. I rarely do. I think you're probably made of sterner stuff than your average moviegoer is.

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Thursday, July 13, 2023 4:09 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix, what do you expect to see for it's Last Week drop %? when Tuesday numbers come out?
Since that might not be fair, having July 4 a day off and all, what do you expect to see as the Last Week drop on Wednesday?



Yeah... That's not going to be fair at all. Not so much unfair, but not really a useful comparison.

Well... looking at The-Numbers right now and being amazed that SoF took 1st place again on Monday with a whopping $4 Million, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the drop for Wednesday will be negligible. In fact, I wonder if it would be a first time where a movie made more on a weekday during its second week than it did 7 days prior if that were to happen.

Why do I think it might actually make more this Wednesday than last?


Well take a look at any of the other movies playing right now that have had a decent box office, and then look at the money they made on Thursday night and tell me how many made more than that on the following Monday.

SPOILER ALERT: I see a few, but I don't think the extra money that Elemental made on Monday July 3rd counts with the holiday weekend. I certainly wouldn't count the Miles Morales sequel making more on Juneteenth than it did the previous Thursday. I don't think that Fast X making more on Memorial Day than the previous Thursday counts either.

But Sound of Freedom just did it. Taking 1st place from both Indy 5 and the weekend winner on Monday with $4,000,345 is extremely impressive when you consider that it only made $3,697,749 on the previous Thursday. It only fell $47k short of beating last Wednesday's number yesterday too.

So although I'd love to just tell you it's going to beat last Wednesday, I can't say that for sure. But if it doesn't, I don't see the loss being in the double digits. I am cautiously optimistic that it will gross more this Wednesday than it did last Wednesday.



Yeah...

I'm getting pretty good at this.

Wednesday, July 5th: $4,047,558
Wednesday, July 12th: $4,424,714

That's a 9% increase from last week. (And I REALLY would love to know if that has ever happened to another movie that wasn't caused by either a holiday or a limited release film going wide release after it was tested out. It probably has, but I'd love to see the stats on that).

I didn't know if it was going to do it, because yesterday was Cheap Seat Tuesday. Almost nothing ever makes more money on Wednesday than it did on Tuesday. Take a look at Wednesday's numbers. SoF is the ONLY movie other than Super Mario Bros that did better yesterday than on Cheap Seat Tuesday. (And that was just a 3% increase on $11,410 from Tuesday, so it's hardly even worth mentioning...)

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2023/07/12

SoF had a 16% increase from Tuesday, where it looks like the average loss from Tuesday to Wednesday for every other movie in the theater was around 25%.





It should also be noted that even though SoF had no prayer of beating MI7 and likely never will for even a single day (words I don't imagine I'll be eating), now that we know Preview Night numbers are wrapped up into opening night numbers, MI7 made $8,516,660 on Wednesday night, and $7,000,000 on Tuesday night for a grand total of $15,516,660. SoF is holding its own against the its first actual successful blockbuster with a same two-day total of $8,253,957, or 53.2% of what MI7 pulled in.

Not to shabby against a 27-year-old-and-still-going-strong Tom Cruise franchise movie that had a 2071% higher production budget.

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Thursday, July 13, 2023 5:40 PM

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Updating:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.


let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1
11Jul 3.829 1 $1,297 1
12Jul 4.424 2 $1,499 2

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I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?
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Sound of Freedom is currently listed by the Numbers as having the 6th most theaters showing it, after bumping up that figure for the weekend.
First place for the day, again.

6ix, what do you expect to see for it's Last Week drop %? when Tuesday numbers come out?
Since that might not be fair, having July 4 a day off and all, what do you expect to see as the Last Week drop on Wednesday?


I forgot to note that Sunday SoF was the only film to have greater Box Office than on Saturday.
Yes, today Indy 5 is in 3rd place with Monday's Box Office.

This Tuesday SoF had the 7th largest number of theaters -or 6th without counting Dead Reckoning. But it was 1st again in Box office, and 1st again in $ per theater.

2 weeks ago Tuesday was a $19.4M day total Box office, amid a hot week where theaters offered refuge from the weather.
Most films that day had increased 30-50% over the day before.
No movies that day averaged more than $1,000 per theater.

Last week Wednesday was a $19.4M Box Office day.

This week Monday was a $17.7M Box Office day.

Tuesday was a $18.7M day, plus another guesstimated $7M for Dead Reckoning midnight shows (apparently, $25.7M only by including Dead Reckoning figures, which be used again in the net day's totals). SoF was again #1 in Box Office, and again #1 in $ per theater. But 8 of the top 15 films earned less than the day before.

Wednesday was a $30M Box office Day, of which $15.5 is credited to Dead Reckoning, leaving $14.5 for the rest. But DR previews (midnight showings, presumably) were guesstimated at $7M, meaning it was really a $23M day - and still a $14.5M day for the rest. DR seemed to pull some money away from other films, and yet SoF actually increased Box Office (by 1/6) over the prior day, even though the cinemas must have been filled with DR crowds.

This week Tuesday seems like an outlier, a conundrum, I have not resolved that in my mind.

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Thursday, July 13, 2023 5:45 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix, what do you expect to see for it's Last Week drop %? when Tuesday numbers come out?
Since that might not be fair, having July 4 a day off and all, what do you expect to see as the Last Week drop on Wednesday?

Yeah... That's not going to be fair at all. Not so much unfair, but not really a useful comparison.

Well... looking at The-Numbers right now and being amazed that SoF took 1st place again on Monday with a whopping $4 Million, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the drop for Wednesday will be negligible. In fact, I wonder if it would be a first time where a movie made more on a weekday during its second week than it did 7 days prior if that were to happen.

Why do I think it might actually make more this Wednesday than last?


Well take a look at any of the other movies playing right now that have had a decent box office, and then look at the money they made on Thursday night and tell me how many made more than that on the following Monday.

SPOILER ALERT: I see a few, but I don't think the extra money that Elemental made on Monday July 3rd counts with the holiday weekend. I certainly wouldn't count the Miles Morales sequel making more on Juneteenth than it did the previous Thursday. I don't think that Fast X making more on Memorial Day than the previous Thursday counts either.

But Sound of Freedom just did it. Taking 1st place from both Indy 5 and the weekend winner on Monday with $4,000,345 is extremely impressive when you consider that it only made $3,697,749 on the previous Thursday. It only fell $47k short of beating last Wednesday's number yesterday too.

So although I'd love to just tell you it's going to beat last Wednesday, I can't say that for sure. But if it doesn't, I don't see the loss being in the double digits. I am cautiously optimistic that it will gross more this Wednesday than it did last Wednesday.

Yeah...
I'm getting pretty good at this.

Wednesday, July 5th: $4,047,558
Wednesday, July 12th: $4,424,714

That's a 9% increase from last week. (And I REALLY would love to know if that has ever happened to another movie that wasn't caused by either a holiday or a limited release film going wide release after it was tested out. It probably has, but I'd love to see the stats on that).

I didn't know if it was going to do it, because yesterday was Cheap Seat Tuesday. Almost nothing ever makes more money on Wednesday than it did on Tuesday. Take a look at Wednesday's numbers. SoF is the ONLY movie other than Super Mario Bros that did better yesterday than on Cheap Seat Tuesday. (And that was just a 3% increase on $11,410 from Tuesday, so it's hardly even worth mentioning...)

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-chart/daily/2023/07/12

SoF had a 16% increase from Tuesday, where it looks like the average loss from Tuesday to Wednesday for every other movie in the theater was around 25%.


It should also be noted that even though SoF had no prayer of beating MI7 and likely never will for even a single day (words I don't imagine I'll be eating), now that we know Preview Night numbers are wrapped up into opening night numbers, MI7 made $8,516,660 on Wednesday night, and $7,000,000 on Tuesday night for a grand total of $15,516,660. SoF is holding its own against the its first actual successful blockbuster with a same two-day total of $8,253,957, or 53.2% of what MI7 pulled in.

Not to shabby against a 27-year-old-and-still-going-strong Tom Cruise franchise movie that had a 2071% higher production budget.
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SoF had an increase of # Theaters by more than 13% over the first week. An increase of 9% doesn't seem like much, but maybe the later showing at midnight for Dead Reckoning had an effect.
Still, 2 Tuesdays in a row being #1 in Box Office, and #1 in $ per Theater.

You might be looking for other films which did not get all the seats they could in the first week, and then got more due to demand in the next week.
I'm not sure if Maverick was like that, it had a slow rollout due to low critic scores, but word of mouth ramped it up.
I think that 2000 Mules also had more theaters in it's 2nd week, just because it couldn't get as many theaters it wanted in the first week.
These do not fit the mold of "Limited Release" - just an increase of theaters on the second week.

I was curious if SoF had the same number of theaters that it had over the weekend, and it does.
I am curious how many theaters it will have come Friday - more? or less?

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Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:29 PM

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SoF had an increase of # Theaters by more than 13% over the first week. An increase of 9% doesn't seem like much, but maybe the later showing at midnight for Dead Reckoning had an effect.
Still, 2 Tuesdays in a row being #1 in Box Office, and #1 in $ per Theater.



9% may not seem like much, but my point is that if it isn't unprecedented, SoF at least finds itself now in a VERY exclusive club. Movies don't make more money then they did the previous week on the same day unless it is a holiday (or the rare occasion when a Limited Release turns Wide, or the even more rare occasion when a movie adds back theaters late in its run). Granted, there were more theaters open for SoF this Wednesday than last, but if there is an example of that mattering and a movie making more on a specific day of the week in its second week than it did on that day in its first week, I'd love for you to show me an example of it. This is the only time I'm aware of this ever happening.

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You might be looking for other films which did not get all the seats they could in the first week, and then got more due to demand in the next week.
I'm not sure if Maverick was like that, it had a slow rollout due to low critic scores, but word of mouth ramped it up.
I think that 2000 Mules also had more theaters in it's 2nd week, just because it couldn't get as many theaters it wanted in the first week.
These do not fit the mold of "Limited Release" - just an increase of theaters on the second week.



No. I'm not comparing this to Maverick at all. Maverick was a wide release. SoF was also a wide release. Anything that gets over 600 theaters is considered a wide release.

Maverick had 4,735 theaters on its opening weekend. It did increase to 4,751 in it's second weekend, but that's negligible since either number is ultra-wide and more than almost any other flick ever got in the US. Several times later in its release it added back theaters, which is also abnormal. Maverick took the standard path of always making less money on the same days on the following week, except for holidays and the later occasions when theaters were added back. This is the rare occasion I'm talking about when a movie does this when theaters are added, but it's different here because it didn't happen until Day 78 of release and again at Day 99 of release, then once again on Day 190 of release. When it was bumped up 16 extra theaters in Week 2, it made less money on every day in the 2nd week than it did the 1st week regardless. It was only the three times that it added back theaters after Week 11 of release that it had days where it did better with the extra theaters.

2000 Mules was never wide. 2000 Mules was a Limited release. It started at 415 theaters and went down every week for 5 weeks, down to 10 theaters before it was out of theaters. 2000 Mules only made less than 1.5 Million in total and made less money every week without any anomalies.

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I was curious if SoF had the same number of theaters that it had over the weekend, and it does.
I am curious how many theaters it will have come Friday - more? or less?



Yeah. They don't ever add new theaters (or take theaters away) for any movie except for on Fridays. It got an extra 316 theaters on Friday up until tonight. Bruce will know by tonight how many theaters it gets tomorrow.

My guess is that it's going to retain the 2,952 theaters it has now. Since it's having days where it does better than last week with that and it's constantly in 1st or 2nd place right now, I don't see any reason why they'd drop the number. But at the same time I don't see it increasing again right now either. Maybe if it blows up this weekend we'll see it in more theaters next weekend. 2,952 is a VERY respectable amount of theaters to be showing a movie with only a $14 Million budget by a no-name studio that isn't a Horror flick. I think it would have to do gangbusters this weekend before it got another significant boost to the amount of theaters showing it.

If it's not 2,952 theaters this weekend, it will stay very close to that number -/+ a small percentage.

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Thursday, July 13, 2023 8:42 PM

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I think I saw that a bunch of films lost theater count on Wednesday, due to Dead Reckoning scarfing them up.
But your point is regarding Fridays, which is often the normal day for new movies to premiere.

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Thursday, July 13, 2023 11:15 PM

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I think I saw that a bunch of films lost theater count on Wednesday, due to Dead Reckoning scarfing them up.



If you saw that, I'd like to see it too. Links?

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But your point is regarding Fridays, which is often the normal day for new movies to premiere.



I've never seen otherwise before, but then again we're living in a weird time where we've had two straight weekends in a row where movies aren't coming out on their normal opening night, and it would make sense that they have to displace something else when they do that. I wouldn't be too happy if I were a studio that was getting bumped.



As I just stated in the TLM thread, I was wrong about my prediction on the new theater counts. SoF gained an insane 413 theaters for this week. With 3,265 theaters, it's downright a proper Wide release at this point.




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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


After the film’s end credits, Caviezel himself urges fans to buy more tickets at the studio’s website in order to “make Sound of Freedom the Uncle Tom’s Cabin of 21st century slavery.” In the lead-up to its release, Angel anecdotally piggy-backed on a long tradition of Christian film marketing by targeting churches and encouraging block ticket sales in order to engage entire communities and spread word of mouth. (Some of the film’s detractors have disputed the movie’s box office success, noting that some theaters appear to be sold out when they aren’t, that user reviews on websites like IMDb read like bot spam, and that the online ticketing system Angel encourages fans to use may be vulnerable to manipulation.) In June, for the film’s July 4 release, Elon Musk offered the production free publicity; on July 1, Mel Gibson went viral for promoting the film. “The first step in eradicating this crime is awareness,” he intoned solemnly. “Go see Sound of Freedom.”

It’s easy to see how emotionally charged all of this is — it’s a hype machine that’s not just a hype machine, but a patriotic, perhaps even divinely mandated, responsibility. Adjacent to this urgent, awareness-raising narrative, however, sits QAnon — the baseless extremist conspiracy theory that high-powered liberals and elites are trafficking children and harvesting their adrenalin in order to attain eternal life. Sound of Freedom doesn’t explicitly reference QAnon or any of its most common narratives, and Ballard has brushed off the connection — but in the same breath he speaks of liberals “running interference” for traffickers by creating such rumors. Arguably more damning: Caviezel’s open embrace of QAnon. The actor has repeatedly referenced QAnon rhetoric; he recently promoted Sound of Freedom on former Trump-admin and extremist Steve Bannon’s podcast by referencing the aforementioned (false) adrenalin harvesting, a.k.a. “adrenochroming.” He also recently defended QAnon by comparing its detractors to Nazi and Klan apologists.

None of this directly links the film to QAnon. But it doesn’t help that reviewers who’ve been less than charitable about the film have been deluged with harassment from people calling them pedophiles and groomers. Rolling Stone’s Miles Klee, who, in his review, highlighted numerous examples of Sound of Freedom fans linking themselves to QAnon, told journalist Marisa Kabas that “the intensity of the death threats and pedophile smears outstripped any previous hate campaign I’ve experienced in my career.” (Disclaimer: Both Klee and Kabas are former colleagues and friends.) Still, Klee also noted that to the film’s fans he was just “a convenient embodiment” of evil for “a demographic that thinks child abusers and groomers make up the entire government, entertainment industry, and media, and all run cover for each other.”

https://www.vox.com/culture/23794355/sound-of-freedom-controversy-true
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, July 15, 2023 4:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Updating:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.


let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1
11Jul 3.829 1 $1,297 1
12Jul 4.424 2 $1,499 2
13Jul 4.576 2 $1,550 2
14Jul 7.491 2 $2,294 2

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I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?


Indy 5 is staying in 4th place, with about 1/3 of the Average $ per theater of SoF. Red Door seems to be getting a little more than half of the average $ per theater as SoF is getting each day.
Dead Reckoning keeps revising down it's figures when the hard numbers come out, less that their guesstimates. Red Door is doing the same each day - green preliminary guesstimates are lowered when the hard black numbers come out. While DR and RD are overestimating their Box Office, SoF has larger actual Box Office that the estimates.

Thursday SoF had less than 114% of the theaters it had a week prior, but had 124% of the Box Office it had the first Thursday.

SoF added 313 theaters on Friday, a gain of 10.6%. It's Box Office was 144% of what it had a week before - while Dead Reckoning was ruling the BO.
I think that was about 54% of it's Production Budget, on it's 2nd Friday.

There is a theory about SoF being "front-loaded" but that seems to be backward.

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Monday, July 17, 2023 8:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

And no matter what happens, it will be the movie that embarrassed Indiana Jones, Disney, Lucasfilm, Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy by taking the crown from their most expensive movie of 2023 in only it's 5th day in the theaters. An amazing feat, even if we don't see it repeated again this weekend or otherwise going forward.

It didn't beat Indy 5 yesterday, but it did do another $4,047,558 in business, giving it $18,289,621 in only 2 days. It's going to sleepwalk past $20 Million in only 3 days.

No numbers on Indy yet, but that's another correct prediction.

$3,697,749 on Thursday, for a grand total of $21,987,370 in only 3 days for Sound of Freedom.

Though it looks to have taken only 3rd place this weekend like Bruce predicted it would from the previews, it will cross $40 Million in only 6 days, which is double what they thought it would in that time frame.

I've also now heard that the budget was as low as $14 Million, and not the $20 Million that was initially reported.

Either way, it's already overcome the rule of thumb, grossing over $40 Million over a $20 Million budget. Given that there was hardly any marketing budget at all spent on this, if that $14 Million production budget is true it's already made some decent money in under a week.

I still think this was quite a heavily front loaded movie as far as attendance goes, but it should remain in theaters at least as long as Angel Studio's 1st movie earlier this year, which means it will probably get about 4 or 5 weeks in the box office. I could see it making $60 to $70 million in ticket sales by that time. Not bad for a movie nobody knew about that doesn't appear to have gotten any kind of international release.

Who knows? If word of mouth on this thing is strong it might even do better than that.

Golly. We can hope that Sound of Freedom is in cinema for 4 or 5 weeks, and then maybe it can make $60-70M by that time.

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Monday, July 17, 2023 8:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Updating:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.


let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1
15Jul 10.22 2 $3,132 2
16Jul 9.563 2 $2,929 2

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1
11Jul 3.829 1 $1,297 1
12Jul 4.424 2 $1,499 2
13Jul 4.576 2 $1,550 2
14Jul 7.491 2 $2,294 2

Quote:

Quote:

I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?


Dead Reckoning barely stayed above double what SoF earned for the weekend. No other film earned half of what SoF did in it's 2nd weekend.
On Saturday morning, I was poking around on The Numbers site. The projections graph for SoF is hilarious - it is not behaving as Bruce Wokenash has directed.
Wokenash also predicted that, for the entire 3-days of the weekend, SoF would earn $10 million total.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 4:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
6ix, what do you expect to see for it's Last Week drop %? when Tuesday numbers come out?
Since that might not be fair, having July 4 a day off and all, what do you expect to see as the Last Week drop on Wednesday?



Yeah... That's not going to be fair at all. Not so much unfair, but not really a useful comparison.

Well... looking at The-Numbers right now and being amazed that SoF took 1st place again on Monday with a whopping $4 Million, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the drop for Wednesday will be negligible. In fact, I wonder if it would be a first time where a movie made more on a weekday during its second week than it did 7 days prior if that were to happen.

Why do I think it might actually make more this Wednesday than last?


Well take a look at any of the other movies playing right now that have had a decent box office, and then look at the money they made on Thursday night and tell me how many made more than that on the following Monday.

SPOILER ALERT: I see a few, but I don't think the extra money that Elemental made on Monday July 3rd counts with the holiday weekend. I certainly wouldn't count the Miles Morales sequel making more on Juneteenth than it did the previous Thursday. I don't think that Fast X making more on Memorial Day than the previous Thursday counts either.

But Sound of Freedom just did it. Taking 1st place from both Indy 5 and the weekend winner on Monday with $4,000,345 is extremely impressive when you consider that it only made $3,697,749 on the previous Thursday. It only fell $47k short of beating last Wednesday's number yesterday too.

So although I'd love to just tell you it's going to beat last Wednesday, I can't say that for sure. But if it doesn't, I don't see the loss being in the double digits. I am cautiously optimistic that it will gross more this Wednesday than it did last Wednesday.

It should also be noted that even though SoF had no prayer of beating MI7 and likely never will for even a single day (words I don't imagine I'll be eating), now that we know Preview Night numbers are wrapped up into opening night numbers, MI7 made $8,516,660 on Wednesday night, and $7,000,000 on Tuesday night for a grand total of $15,516,660. SoF is holding its own against the its first actual successful blockbuster with a same two-day total of $8,253,957, or 53.2% of what MI7 pulled in.

Not to shabby against a 27-year-old-and-still-going-strong Tom Cruise franchise movie that had a 2071% higher production budget.

Quoted for the brazen and bold prediction.
On the 6th day of release for Dead Reckoning, DR earned an average of $1,226 per theater.
Sound of Freedom earned $1,518 per theater, on it's 2nd Monday.

How many days before DR falls below SoF in Domestic Box Office? I think it will hold for Tuesday, but watch out Wednesday.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 4:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN



Updating:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.


let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1
15Jul 10.22 2 $3,132 2
16Jul 9.563 2 $2,929 2

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1
11Jul 3.829 1 $1,297 1
12Jul 4.424 2 $1,499 2
13Jul 4.576 2 $1,550 2
14Jul 7.491 2 $2,294 2
17Jul 4.954 2 $1,518 1

Quote:

Quote:

I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?


I've been poking around the Bruce Wokenash site the last few weeks. I noticed that when the undisputed #1 has figures released, he marks it as #1 right away, and those beneath it remain unranked until further confirmed. Usually the top 4 get ranked after SoF figures are posted.

However, today when DR figures were posted, it did not have the #1 ranking yet, because Wokenash was finally uncertain enough that SoF had not been better.
I found that humorous.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 7:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Don't be shitty. I said I wanted this movie to do well, and we're currently witnessing something that may very well has never happened before.

My theory that SoF was front-loaded was sound, even though it's obviously turned out to be incorrect in the end.

In your mind, until I corrected it, you thought that 2000 Mules was something that did much better than the overall $1.5 Million in the box office it ultimately saw on its limited release that never added any theaters, which you also thought that it increased theaters from limited to wide.

I'm thrilled that it's doing well.

I'll update the lists soonish.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 8:45 PM

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I was going to post that on Sun, when the guesstimate figures for Sat and also Sun were posted, as usual Wokenash bloated the estimates for DR (by a couple $ Million) as well as RD and indy5. Also per usual, he underestimated the Box Office for SoF - guesstimating $9,282,855. Black figure was $9,563,034.

His $10M prediction for SoF weekend put it ranked at 4th or 5th.

Have you seen it yet?


Also, I have heard that some Woke dweebs claim that SoF has tickets/seats purchased which are never filled.
I have seen this occur many times in the last few years. Theaters are showing seats filled/bought, but a peek inside reveals large swaths of seats empty - and they remain empty for show's duration. I have never sussed out exactly what this was about.

With SoF, I have peeked into numerous showing of this - and never found any empty seats, anywhere in the room.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 10:57 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Moving the list here where it belongs from the The Little Mermaid Failure thread....





UPDATED LISTS: Late-Evening of 07/18 on The-Numbers...

Worldwide Opening Weekend and percentage of Production Budget made on opening weekend including all American made films currently in the global top 45 (Or that were in the top 35 on June 19th, which was the previous time I'd updated this list):

1 Insidious: The Red Door / Budget: $16,000,000 / WWO: $64,000,000 / 400%
2 The Super Mario Bros. Movie / Budget: $100,000,000 / WWO: $377,000,000 / 377%
3 M3GAN / Budget: $12,000,000 / WWO: $45,000,000 / 375%
4 Sound of Freedom / Budget: $14,000,000 / WWO: $42,000,000 / 300%
5 Evil Dead Rise / Budget: $19,000,000 / WWO: $40,000,000 / 210%
6 Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse / Budget: $100,000,000 / WWO: $209,000,000 / 209%
7 The Pope's Exorcist / Budget: $18,000,000 / WWO: $36,500,000 / 203%
8 Scream VI / Budget: $35,000,000 / WWO: $67,000,000 / 191%
9 John Wick: Chapter 4 / Budget: $100,000,000 / WWO: $138,000,000 / 138%
10 Creed III / Budget: $75,000,000 / WWO: $100,000,000 / 133%
11 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania / Budget: $200,000,000 / WWO: $250,000,000 / 125%
12 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 / Budget: $250,000,000 / WWO: $290,000,000 / 116%
13 Knock at the Cabin / Budget: $20,000,000 / WWO: $21,000,000 / 105%
14 Jesus Revolution / Budget: $15,000,000 / WWO: $15,000,000 / 100%
15 Fast X / Budget: $340,000,000 / WWO: $319,000,000 / 94%
16 Transformers: Rise of the Beasts / Budget: $195,000,000 / WWO: $170,000,000 / 87%
17 Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning Pt1 / Budget: $290,000,000 / WWO: $235,000,000 81%
18 Cocaine Bear / Budget: $35,000,000 / WWO: $28,000,000 / 80%
19 The Little Mermaid / Budget: $250,000,000 / WWO: $164,000,000 / 66%
20 The Boogeyman / Budget: $35,000,000 / WWO: $20,000,000 / 57%
21 Shazam: Fury of the Gods / Budget: $125,000,000 / WWO: $66,000,000 / 53%
22 No Hard Feelings / Budget: $45,000,000 / WWO: $22,000,000 / 49%
23 Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves / Budget: $150,000,000 / WWO: $72,000,000 / 48%
24 Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny / Budget: $300,000,000 / WWO: $131,000,000 / 43.7%
25 AIR / Budget: $70,000,000 / WWO: $30,000,000 / 43%
26 65 / Budget: $45,000,000 / WWO: $12,300,000 / 27%
27 Magic Mike's Last Dance / Budget: $45,000,000 / WWO: $8,000,000 / 18%
28 The Flash / Budget: $200,000,000 / WWO: $75,000,000 / 37.5%
29 Elemental / Budget: $200,000,000 / WWO: $48,000,000 / 24%

SPECIAL MENTION:
Mummies / Budget: $12,000,000 / WWO: Unknown / ?



Winners and losers from the previous list:

Winners:

1. M3GAN made 1,475% of its production budget of $12 Million. [FINAL]
2. Super Mario Bros Movie made 1,349% of its production budget of $100 Million.
3. Insidious: The Red Door made 775% of its $16 Million production budget.
4. Evil Dead Rise made 768% of its production budget of $19 Million. [FINAL]
5. Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse made 664% of its production budget of $100 Million.
6. Sound of Freedom made 650% of its $14 Million production budget.
7. Scream IV made 483% of its production budget of $35 Million. [FINAL]
8. Mummies made 442% of its production budget of $12 Million. [FINAL]
9. John Wick: Chapter 4 made 432% of its production budget of $100 Million. [FINAL]
10. The Pope's Exorcist made 405% of its production budget of $18 Million. [FINAL]
11. Creed III made 365% of its production budget of $75 Million. [FINAL]
12. Jesus Revolution made 353% of its production budget of $15 Million. [FINAL]
13. Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 3 made 336% of its production budget of $250 Million.
14. Knock at the Cabin made 275% of its production budget of $20 Million. [FINAL]
15. Cocaine Bear made 254% of its production budget of $35 Million. [FINAL]
16. The Boogeyman made 234% of its $35 Million production budget.
17. Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania made 232% of its production budget of $200 Million. [FINAL]
18. The Little Mermaid made 219% of its $250,000,000 production budget.
19. Transformers: Rise of the Beasts made 216% of its $195,000,000 production budget.
20. Fast X made 213% of its $340,000,000 production budget. [FINAL]


Losers* (The movies who haven't doubled their production budget to cover marketing budgets and theater takes. Unless marked with [FINAL], they still have an opportunity to leave the Losers list.):

1. Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning Part 1 made 82% of its $290,000,000 production budget.
2. Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny made 101% of its $300,000,000 production budget.
3. Shazam: Fury of the Gods only made 106% of its $125,000,000 production budget. [FINAL]
4. 65 only made 124% of its $45,000,000 production budget. [FINAL]
5. Magic Mike's Last Dance only made 124% of its $45,000,000 production budget. [FINAL]
6. Elemental made 157% of its $200,000,000 production budget.
7. AIR only made 129% of its $70,000,000 production budget. [FINAL]
8. The Flash made 134% of its $200,000,000 production budget.
9. Dungeons and Dragons: Honor Among Thieves only made 139% of its $150,000,000 production budget. [FINAL]
10. No Hard Feelings made 173% of its $45,000,000 production budget.




Predictions from 07/13:

Quote:

I fully expect SoF to jump from 10 to 6 by the end of the weekend on the 2nd list. It would have been 5th, but until/unless The Red Door slows down faster, it's going to be behind. Congratulations to The Red Door for coming out of nowhere and taking 1st place on the first list, for highest grossing opening weekend worldwide vs. production budget.

Keep in mind that Sound of Freedom is the only movie on this list that didn't have a worldwide box office, and all of these numbers are just from the US Box office... Otherwise, I think it had a very good chance of taking 1st place above The Red Door. I'm not even sure if SoF was shown in Canada or not, tbh...



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So... I was wrong with my prediction SoF wouldn't gain many, if any theaters this weekend. Bruce is reporting 3,265 theaters this week, for a whopping increase of 413 theaters. I've never seen this happen two weekends in a row like this before. Hopefully it doesn't drop the ball.

I still think it will be 6th place after this weekend, unless The Red Door suddenly flops. I don't see any possibility of SoF catching up with Miles Morales 2 by Sunday night, even with the additional theaters.

There are 2 reasons why I say only 6th place for the weekend for SoF.

Number 1 is because Insidious: The Red Door started out of the gates as the 1st place movie all year regarding the ratio of Worldwide Box Office vs. Production Budget and hasn't really slowed down all that much. SoF is going to have to catch up to that. It may take another week or two.

Number 2 is because there's a huge difference between the current #4 and numbers 5-9 which are all in the 400-500% range.

The Miles Morales sequel is 646%. It's slowed down to only $1 Million during weekdays and only had $2-3 Million per day last weekend, so SoF will gain quickly on it if it doesn't falter, but MM2 is still improving that ratio on what is already a decent gap. It will be 10 days to over two weeks before SoF catches up to it.

3rd place is Evil Dead Rise, which will not improve since it's out of theaters, but it's at 768%, so it will take even longer to reach that.

M3GAN and SMB are light years away. I'm not saying that SoF won't catch up to them, but they've both got about 1000% on SoF right now.




SoF is 6th place now, and for exactly the reasons I said it would be.

It leap-frogged over all the 400% movies in 5th-9th place, just as I knew it would, and even though Insidious slowed down, The Red Door was able to end up at 775% of its production budget after Monday while SoF is "only" at 650% right now.

Where I did fail in my prediction was saying that it would take SoF 10 days to over 2 weeks to beat Miles Morales 2. With the insane legs on SoF and Monday being the 6th of 6 straight days where it made more money than the same day the previous week and Miles Morales 2 only making around 800k on Monday compared to SoF's nearly $5 Million, it won't take but another day or two for SoF's current 650% to displace MM2's 664%... it will only take 6 days max to overcome MM2.

By next weekend I expect SoF to be 3rd place on the second list, meaning that it will already be more than halfway to reaching number one on the list.

M3GAN made $180,674,091 off of a $12 Million budget to take 1st place.

SMB made $1,348,575,859 off of a $100 Million budget to take 2nd place.

SoF will need to make $187.6 Million to take 2nd place, and it will need to make $206.64 Million to take 1st place for 2023.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:01 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Why go to a theater to see Sound of Freedom? It is available for free:

1) https://www.1377x.to/torrent/5729263/Sound-of-Freedom-2022-V1-1080p-HD
CAM-x264-Ad-Dual-YG
/

2) https://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=sound+of+freedom

But even free is too high a price for such a movie. The movie-makers should pay you for watching this particular product. Take away the noise surrounding it, and Sound of Freedom has distinct cinematic ambitions: a non-graphic horror film with what could be called an art-house sensibility for muted rage and precise, striking shadows derived from an already bleak world. If “Sound of Freedom” were less concerned with being something "important," it could be more than a mood, it could be a movie.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/sound-of-freedom

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Have you seen it yet?



No. I have not.

I was out of town most of last week. It's currently in the theater down by my brother along with MI7, but it is getting bumped for Barbie of all movies on Friday, so it won't be there when my Dad goes to visit him next week. If it was there, I was going to go down with him, but I'm pretty busy at the moment so I won't be making the trip.

I told my dad and one of my buddies that I'm down to see it if they have the time... something I wouldn't do for pretty much any movie outside of going to the theater down by my brother. I won't go see a movie in the theater alone either. I'm hoping one of them want to go with me.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:07 PM

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Why go to a theater to see Sound of Freedom? It is available for free:




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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:18 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


6ix, you are shallow. The movie doesn’t develop Ballard beyond being a symbol. A casual YouTube search on the real Tim Ballard shows that he’s a far more outspoken, hyper type than we see here. It suggests a different tone for such a character-focused story, and one wonders why the makers were weary of it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tim+Ballard+interview+youtube

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:21 PM

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Uh huh.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:43 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Uh huh.

I remember your praise for Joker, a movie about a serial killer clown. Your taste in movies is disturbing. To quote you: "Prepare to be extremely uncomfortable for 122 straight minutes." - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=63327&mid=10958
92#1095892


'Joker' or 'Sound of Freedom' or 'Nonstop Vomiting and Diarrhea' are all equally undesirable experiences, but to pay in order to see 'Sound of Freedom' makes the experience worse.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 19, 2023 1:28 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Uh huh.

I remember your praise for Joker, a movie about a serial killer clown. Your taste in movies is disturbing. To quote you: "Prepare to be extremely uncomfortable for 122 straight minutes." - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=63327&mid=10958
92#1095892


'Joker' or 'Sound of Freedom' or 'Nonstop Vomiting and Diarrhea' are all equally undesirable experiences, but to pay in order to see 'Sound of Freedom' makes the experience worse.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Uh huh.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65116

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Wednesday, July 19, 2023 12:20 PM

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It should also be noted that even though SoF had no prayer of beating MI7 and likely never will for even a single day (words I don't imagine I'll be eating), now that we know Preview Night numbers are wrapped up into opening night numbers, MI7 made $8,516,660 on Wednesday night, and $7,000,000 on Tuesday night for a grand total of $15,516,660. SoF is holding its own against the its first actual successful blockbuster with a same two-day total of $8,253,957, or 53.2% of what MI7 pulled in.

Not to shabby against a 27-year-old-and-still-going-strong Tom Cruise franchise movie that had a 2071% higher production budget.

Quoted for the brazen and bold prediction.

On the 6th day of release for Dead Reckoning, DR earned an average of $1,226 per theater.
Sound of Freedom earned $1,518 per theater, on it's 2nd Monday.



Again... I don't think this was a bold prediction. SoF is just breaking all the established rules.

It's insane to see that SoF is beating MI7 in Per Theater take only 6 days into MI7's release, with $1,518 in 3,265 theaters vs. MI7's $1,226 in 4,327 theaters. I'm not surprised that SoF was crushing woke trash like Indy 5 or Elemental coming out of Disney, but to already be beating a Tom Cruise/Mission Impossible movie per-theater when MI7 hasn't even been out a full week is jaw-dropping.

I've always been rooting for this movie, but I'm now done underestimating it. It's obviously already blown way past my $60-70 Million total take prediction and not only isn't slowing down but appears to still be picking up steam. It was only $349,292 shy of beating MI7 in the Domestic Box Office on Monday.

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How many days before DR falls below SoF in Domestic Box Office? I think it will hold for Tuesday, but watch out Wednesday.



I honestly can't say. You may be right. I have no historical data here to draw from since this is completely uncharted territory. I can't even make any predictions about where this film is going to go in the future anymore.

Jim Cavezeal has mentioned that international release dates will be a thing and they will be announced soon, and "Sound of Freedom Movie" has posted "International Release dates coming soon!" on Facebook.


Like I said in the updated lists post, SoF would need to make around $188 Million for 2nd place and $207 Million for 1st place on the 2023 Production Budget vs. Worldwide Box Office.

I'd say that depending on how well the international release goes it should make it, but at this point I'm not even entirely sure that it needs an international release to achieve those numbers.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2023 7:43 PM

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$5,449,143 on Cheap Seat Tuesday, for a total gross of $96,182,705.

It didn't come close to MI7's $7,273,490, but it did beat MI7's per theater number by $8 yesterday.

At a 42% increase from last Tuesday, that marks a full 7 days where it made more money than it did the week prior. (9%, 24%, 44%, 42%, 31%, 24%, 42%) If there is another movie that has done this in the past, I'd love to know what it is.

686% of Production Budget now, up from 650% yesterday. It's now 5th place on the list of Worldwide Box Office vs Production Budget, and it still hasn't been released anywhere outside of the US. It will overtake Evil Dead Rise for 4th place on the list Friday night.

And with Insidious: The Red Door finally slowing down, it shouldn't be long before it catches up and takes 3rd place. I:tRD increased from 775% to 788% last night. (36% vs 13% is nearly a 3-to-1 increase for SoF over I:tRD.

If SoF doesn't catch Insidious by Sunday night, it almost certainly will when we get Monday's numbers.

And at that point it should only be less than 500% away from SMB and probably almost exactly 600% under M3GAN.



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Wednesday, July 19, 2023 8:42 PM

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Updating:
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I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.


let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1
15Jul 10.22 2 $3,132 2
16Jul 9.563 2 $2,929 2

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1
11Jul 3.829 1 $1,297 1
12Jul 4.424 2 $1,499 2
13Jul 4.576 2 $1,550 2
14Jul 7.491 2 $2,294 2
17Jul 4.954 2 $1,518 1
18Jul 5.449 2 $1,669 2

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I suspect that this movie was pretty front-loaded on viewership and don't really expect it to stay in theaters all that long, but with good word of mouth it should have a pretty decent first weekend in theaters and very easily jump past that predicted $20 Million in the first 6 days of release with more than $14.2 Million already under its belt on Tuesday.

So, this front-loading theory of yours - how long does it last?
Does it pull ahead of Red Door $/screen over the weekend?
I don't expect it to take out MI:8.
Will SoF fall behind Indy5 and Red Door in $/screen?
How else do you measure?
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I've been poking around the Bruce Wokenash site the last few weeks. I noticed that when the undisputed #1 has figures released, he marks it as #1 right away, and those beneath it remain unranked until further confirmed. Usually the top 4 get ranked after SoF figures are posted.

However, today when DR figures were posted, it did not have the #1 ranking yet, because Wokenash was finally uncertain enough that SoF had not been better.
I found that humorous.

Again, DR was not given #1 ranking until SoF figures were posted. I see the chart showing $1,669 per theater for SoF, and 1,681 for DR.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2023 8:55 PM

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I went to a movie last night, and I made some observations.

First off, the prices.
I realized that I have been so busy this year, that I may have not been to a Tuesday showing since December. Back then, at the marcus Theater chain, all movies were $5, all showtimes, all screens. Super Dooper ultra Deluxe Uber S[piffy? still $5. And with a Rewards card, free complimentary sized popcorn - which generally lasted me for a film length.

When I went to SoF on July 4, I fond out the Tuesday prices had changed. Now $6 per ticket - with Rewards Card, otherwise $7 - and only for regular screens. Super Dooper was at a premium now, but with Rewards Card a 50% discount in the upgrade price. No free popcorn, but with Rewards Card a 20% discount on concessions.

Last night all 10 showings (from the day) of SoF were sold out, the 9:50 showing Sold Out more than 40 min before showtime.
DR had 4 showings at once, including both of the Super Dooper high capacity screens.
I saw 160 seats, with 2 sold. Plus 160 seats, with 21 sold, plus 18 seats sold of 75 seats.

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Wednesday, July 19, 2023 11:05 PM

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Everything costs more with Biden*omics.

Pretty soon we'll all be making $100 per hour or more, but it will cost $50 for a gallon of milk and everyone's savings will be more or less wiped out because it isn't worth anything anymore.

You will own nothing and like it.

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Thursday, July 20, 2023 3:52 PM

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At a 42% increase from last Tuesday, that marks a full 7 days where it made more money than it did the week prior. (9%, 24%, 44%, 42%, 31%, 24%, 42%) If there is another movie that has done this in the past, I'd love to know what it is.



7% increase from last Wednesday makes it 8 days in a row where it made more money than the same day the week prior.

Wednesday: $4,722,496


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686% of Production Budget now, up from 650% yesterday. It's now 5th place on the list of Worldwide Box Office vs Production Budget, and it still hasn't been released anywhere outside of the US. It will overtake Evil Dead Rise for 4th place on the list Friday night.

And with Insidious: The Red Door finally slowing down, it shouldn't be long before it catches up and takes 3rd place. I:tRD increased from 775% to 788% last night. (36% vs 13% is nearly a 3-to-1 increase for SoF over I:tRD.

If SoF doesn't catch Insidious by Sunday night, it almost certainly will when we get Monday's numbers.

And at that point it should only be less than 500% away from SMB and probably almost exactly 600% under M3GAN.




Sound of Freedom is now 721% Box Office vs. Production Budget.

Insidious is now 800% Box Office vs. Production Budget.

4th place, Evil Dead Rise got 768% before it was out of theaters.


SoF takes 4th place from EDR on Friday night.

SoF will take 3rd place from Insidious on Saturday night, but with a caveat that probably does not amount to anything... Insidious is still doing business internationally and those numbers are always lagging. They do appear to be updated from between the 17th and 19th for the countries that are listed, but there is no dates for the "Rest of World" stat.

I don't think it matters though. By Saturday night my guess is that SoF is around 860% and Insidious is around 840%. By Sunday night it will look more like 910% for SoF and 855% for Insidious, and I don't think any international update could claw back 3rd place at that point.

It will be around 450% behind SMB and 575% behind M3GAN by the end of the weekend. Likely less than that.

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Updating:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.


let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1
15Jul 10.22 2 $3,132 2
16Jul 9.563 2 $2,929 2

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1
11Jul 3.829 1 $1,297 1
12Jul 4.424 2 $1,499 2
13Jul 4.576 2 $1,550 2
14Jul 7.491 2 $2,294 2
17Jul 4.954 2 $1,518 1
18Jul 5.449 2 $1,669 2
19Jul 4.722 2 $1,446 1

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Will DR Domestic BO ever catch up to SoF?
Will SoF add more theaters tomorrow?
Today there was a long delay in the posting of MI:DR Box Office. They even needed to wait a couple hours after SoF figures were posted - as if they needed time to go scrounge up some extra ballots in a Libtard-controlled city, to eek out a slightly bigger BO than SoF.
Bruce Wokenash must be off his game, knocked out of his routine. Yesterday he never got around to ranking the films by their Box Office. Not sure how that works, I had conjured it was an automatic programming thing.

I suspect today, Thursday, SoF will take the lead for the Domestic BO for the day.

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