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The Hunger Games Prequel Failure Thread

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


or...

Boy, is Lionsgate struggling after coming out of the gate strong in 2023.


Let's come right out and state the obvious. Rachel Zegler already killed this movie before it even had a chance, and I'm betting that the ongoing Actor's Guild strike is going to leave them with some concessions but also put hard rules down about what actors and actresses can talk about on Social Media and talk shows in the coming wake of destruction that Zegler's interviews will cause this unrelated and as-of-yet even unpromoted film.

Both The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes and Lionsgate are now innocent bystanders in the current high temperature culture war, and interviews that have surfaced about its lead actress's thoughts about the original Snow White cartoon have enraged people across the whole spectrum of political thought, when in under just 2 minutes she shit all over the legacy of Walt Disney by thrashing the animated feature that put Disney on the map in the first place. Future interviews saw her doubling and tripling down on her disdain for the source material. Then, during the peak of the tandem Writers and Actors strikes, she came off like an entitled little brat, bitching to somebody's camera that "if she's going to wear a dress all day long when shooting, she deserves to be paid every time somebody streams Snow White", only leaving millions of people like me to think to ourselves "I don't get paid for shelves I stocked 20 years ago, and I had to wear a dumb-looking and uncomfortable uniform while doing it, so why should you?"

Rachel Zegler... A never-was actress who is likely to be Box Office kryptonite for some time to come has two acting credits to her name. 2021's ill-advised West Side Story remake had a production budget of $100,000,000 and only grossed $74,826,329 worldwide. It lost Fox Studios $175 Million in the Box Office and has only gone on to sell $1.35 Million in BluRay and DVDs. 2023's Shazam: Fury of the Gods is currently her only other released Box Office performance. It had a $125,000,000 production budget and only made $132,192,362 worldwide, losing Warner Bros. $180 Million.

So far, the two movies Zegler has starred in have lost a staggering $255 Million, and this was all long before the actress's malignant personality was blasted all over social media for the world to judge.

Of the 5 future-release credits she has on IMDB, she has already been dropped from one of them. The creators of Paddingon in Peru have recently decided that her services will no longer be required in that production. Fortunately for her, the other 4 future-releases are all in Post-Production, and it would likely be far too expensive for anybody to recast and re-shoot her roles now. My advice to her would be to save that money and refrain from buying a Beverley Hills mansion until her PR team can figure out a way to patch up her reputation.




Speaking of financials... How much will Hunger Games 5 need to make in the box office to break even? Well... we don't exactly know the answer to that yet. As far as I can tell, Lionsgate hasn't released any numbers for their Production Budget yet.

But this would be a good time to look at the previous movies and how they did.

The Hunger Games (2012) had a production budget of $80 Million. Its Worldwide Box Office was $677,923,379. That was a massive $477M to $517M, and at a time so long ago now where you could add quite a bit to that total for inflation. Beyond that, it also grossed a further $226 Million in BluRay and DVD sales.

Production Budget: $80M. ($107M with inflation)
Total Estimated Profit: Between $590M and $630M. ($789M to $842M with inflation)

The Hunger Games: Catching Fire (2013) had a production budget of $130 Million and a Worldwide Box Office of $864,868,047. It was $50 Million more to make than the first, but it still made to $540M to $605M in the box office. Again, 10 years ago, so you could add quite a bit to that total for inflation. Beyond that, it also grossed a further $123 Million in BluRay and DVD sales.

Production Budget: $130M. ($171M with inflation)
Total Estimated Profit: Between $600M and $660M. ($791M to $870M with inflation)

The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 (2014) had a production budget of $125 Million and a Worldwide Box Office of $766,575,131. They wisely pulled back a few million on the budget for this one. It made $454M to $517M in the box office. We're a couple years in now, so the inflation addition is less each year, but still substantial. Post box office numbers begin to fall way off now though at only $80 Million in BluRay and DVD sales. This is likely more due to the rise in streaming services than the quality of or interest in the movie itself.

Production Budget: $125M. ($162M with inflation)
Total Estimated Profit: Between $490M and $540M. ($635M to $700M with inflation)

The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 (2015) had a production budget of $160 Million and a Worldwide Box Office of $647,396,133. Now, with a budget that high, this movie only made anywhere from $247M to $327M in the box office, with even less inflation adjustment to claim. BluRay and DVD sales were only $55 Million for this one.

Production Budget: $160M. ($207M with inflation)
Total Estimated Profit: Between $275M and $350M. ($356M to $453M with inflation)

So, all in all, a very lucrative series for Lionsgate despite the dropoff by the 4th entry in spite of the production budget that was twice the size of the original in the final movie.



So what would the production budget for Songbirds and Snakes look like?

Well... In 2015, the production budget for HG4 was $160 Million. In 2023 money, that would have cost over $207 Million to make.

Is Lionsgate going to spend $200 Million to make this movie today? I doubt that very much. Its two largest budget movies this year were John Wick 4 and Expend4bles, both clocking in at only $100 Million. JW4 was a success, but nowhere near the level of any of the Hunger Games movies. Expend4bles will be a disaster for Lionsgate this year. Its other 4 releases in the top 100 Worldwide movies to date were The Blackening ($5 Million), Jesus Revolution ($15 Million), Plane ($25 Million) Are you there God? It's Me, Margaret ($30 Million) and Operation Fortune ($50 Million).

The Blackening and Jesus Revolution made good money off their small budgets. Plane more or less broke even. Are you there God was a flop and Operation Fortune was a disaster.

All in all, Lionsgate has spent $325 Million on these 7 movies, and has lost a combined total of $28 Million to $190 Million so far in 2023. John Wick 4 did well, but it wasn't ever going to be enough to carry a year full of bad decisions.




So how was the audience's reception to the first 4 movies?

Hunger Games (2012) - 81% at Rotten Tomatoes / 7.0 at Metacritic.
Hunger Games: Catching Fire (2013): 89% at Rotten Tomatoes / 7.9 at Metacritic.
Hunger Games: Mocking Jay - Part 1 (2014): 71% at Rotten Tomatoes / 6.3 at Metacritic.
Hunger Games: Mocking Jay - Part 2 (2015): 66% at Rotten Tomatoes / 6.5 at Metacritic.

It was generally well received, especially in the beginning. But you can see there was a pretty steep drop off in audience approval in the final two entries. And from perusing the internet I've found that critical reception to the last two entries was pretty mixed as well. One of the biggest complaints I've seen was that the 3rd entry was too long and boring, while the 4th movie felt rushed. It left a bad taste in their mouth.

And then 8 years passed...


Does anybody even care about The Hunger Games in 2023?

And if some people still do, do they care enough about any of the characters from the original movie to go out en masse and see the origin story of these characters leading up to the eventual happenings of the original Quadrilogy when they already know how it ends?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they don't. The Hunger Games is no pre-Disney Star Wars, and some of you might remember how that turned out. Yeah... It made money, but it was Star Wars. Fans hated it for a decade before Disney came out and made the Prequels look like cinematic masterpieces in retrospect.

This stuff all just snowballs on each other over time. People eventually remember that remakes/reboots/prequels and even sequels past a trilogy are very rarely ever worth watching. And 2023 in general has given us plenty of evidence that the market has hit a saturation point with all of them and people just don't want to pay to sit through any of it anymore.



I just don't think that anybody cared enough about The Hunger Games in 2023 to make this prequel effort worthwhile in the first place. To me, this just comes off as another cash-grab from a studio trying to make some bank of of nostalgia by giving the audiences something they never asked for in the first place. I'm hoping that Lionsgate didn't screw the pooch and slap $200 to $250 Million on the table for this one, going into 2023 thinking they could take a risk like that because John Wick 4 and Expend4bles were going to cover any potential losses. If they only spent $100 Million on it, they might be able to avoid another serious financial disaster in 2023. That's really their only way out of this one.

Coming fresh off of the realization of what a terrible miscalculation resurrecting the 9-year-dead Expendables franchise was, I'd be terrified right now if I was a big-shot at Lionsgate with the prequel to the 8-year-dead Hunger Games franchise release looming. And I doubt that they will ever consider hiring Rachel Zegler to act in another movie they make. In all fairness to her, I don't think this movie would have done much better than breaking even in the best case scenario in the first place, but when it fails... and it will fail... they're going to be looking for any scapegoat they can find for the failure, and Rachel served it right up to them on a silver platter.

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 7:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Reading that post made me wonder if you were pulling a sloppyseconds and just plagiarizing somebody else's writing and posting as your own, without attribution.


But thanks for reminding me that I gotta watch Expendables, I was far too busy last weekend.

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Reading that post made me wonder if you were pulling a sloppyseconds and just plagiarizing somebody else's writing and posting as your own, without attribution.



No. I'm an excellent writer when I want to be.

If you really look at it, I'm sure you can see quite a few "Jackisms" that I use elsewhere in there. Not to mention all of the accurate data that isn't exactly easy to come by if you hadn't already put it all together yourself, or spent quite a bit of time putting together the Hunger Games series specific data. How many people have you read online recently that put that type of effort into data? I'd argue that you don't see any economists writing articles with that much data in current year when they're discussing much more serious topics than this. If you were an AI program, I'd bet you'd match up that post with my others here and find that it's at least a 98.9% match.

But go ahead... I challenge you to find that article in part or in full anywhere online. You won't find it anywhere but here.

You're a smart guy. You can figure out how to look for that. Any time I've suspected Second of copying other people's work I've managed to find the source material so I can call him out on it here. You've even got contact info for Haken. Maybe you could get him to tell you how many times the post was edited. I'd be surprised if he told you it was under 20 times. I frequently do that with my posts that aren't directed toward tweedle-dumb and tweedle-dumber. I "update post", re-read it, fix errors, add new things, "update post" and do it all over again... either until I feel it's perfect or I get bored.

In fact... I just did it 8 times with this reply.



For now though... Until such time as you can come up with any proof of your accusations, I'll take that as a backhanded compliment.




And while you're busy investigating that, I'll just sit back and wait and find out whether I'm completely full of shit or not when the movie drops.




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But thanks for reminding me that I gotta watch Expendables, I was far too busy last weekend.



Have fun?

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Not really an accusation. Just a feeling I got, like it wasn't an off-hand post like some others post around here.
All those updates and edits do crank up the View Counter. I like when I'm mostly satisfied with a post (OP) and there are less than 5 views.

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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not really an accusation. Just a feeling I got, like it wasn't an off-hand post like some others post around here.
All those updates and edits do crank up the View Counter. I like when I'm mostly satisfied with a post (OP) and there are less than 5 views.



Yeah. It definitely wasn't off-hand. I didn't intend for it to be nearly that long either when I started, but I just kind of kept adding to it. Did I ever mention I have a lot of free time?

It didn't get 1/20th of the revisions that my new tables in the Hollywood thread got that afternoon when I worked about 6 hours on creating them, but there were quite a few. Maybe 20 is too high. Probably a dozen.

They say that brevity is the heart of wit. Nobody has ever accused me of being brief with my writing, so make of that what you will.





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Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I just noticed this part...

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And from perusing the internet I've found that critical reception to the last two entries was pretty mixed as well. One of the biggest complaints I've seen was that the 3rd entry was too long and boring, while the 4th movie felt rushed. It left a bad taste in their mouth.


The Hunger Games left a bad taste in their mouth. lol. No pun intended.

But now I'm thinking I should go back and edit the first sentence in the 2nd to last paragraph:

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I just don't think that anybody cared enough about The Hunger Games in 2023 to make this prequel effort worthwhile in the first place.


I just don't think anybody had an appetite for The Hunger Games in 2023, amiright?



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Saturday, September 30, 2023 2:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


A thread without linky. Topics spoken of obliquely, assuming we know everything already.

Let's fix that:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10545296/?ref_=nm_knf_t_3

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Saturday, October 28, 2023 12:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A thread without linky. Topics spoken of obliquely, assuming we know everything already.

Let's fix that:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10545296/?ref_=nm_knf_t_3



I think I was pretty fucking direct.



It's not looking good for this one.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/10/20/rachel-zeglers-the-hunger-ga
mes-the-ballad-of-songbirds-and-snakes-predicted-to-have-franchise-worst-opening-weekend
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Monday, October 30, 2023 12:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (September 27th):
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Speaking of financials... How much will Hunger Games 5 need to make in the box office to break even? Well... we don't exactly know the answer to that yet. As far as I can tell, Lionsgate hasn't released any numbers for their Production Budget yet.

...

So what would the production budget for Songbirds and Snakes look like?

Well... In 2015, the production budget for HG4 was $160 Million. In 2023 money, that would have cost over $207 Million to make.

Is Lionsgate going to spend $200 Million to make this movie today? I doubt that very much. Its two largest budget movies this year were John Wick 4 and Expend4bles, both clocking in at only $100 Million. JW4 was a success, but nowhere near the level of any of the Hunger Games movies. Expend4bles will be a disaster for Lionsgate this year.



Wise move.

As I suspected, the budget for Songbirds and Snakes comes nowhere near $200 Million in 2023.

At least in early reporting, the budget was $100 Million. The same amount they spent on John Wick 4 and Expendables 4.

That's going to mitigate the upcoming disaster for Lionsgate quite a bit. It only now needs to make $250 Million Worldwide instead of $500 Million.



Speaking of its prospects...

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And then 8 years passed...


Does anybody even care about The Hunger Games in 2023?

And if some people still do, do they care enough about any of the characters from the original movie to go out en masse and see the origin story of these characters leading up to the eventual happenings of the original Quadrilogy when they already know how it ends?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they don't. The Hunger Games is no pre-Disney Star Wars, and some of you might remember how that turned out. Yeah... It made money, but it was Star Wars. Fans hated it for a decade before Disney came out and made the Prequels look like cinematic masterpieces in retrospect.

This stuff all just snowballs on each other over time. People eventually remember that remakes/reboots/prequels and even sequels past a trilogy are very rarely ever worth watching. And 2023 in general has given us plenty of evidence that the market has hit a saturation point with all of them and people just don't want to pay to sit through any of it anymore.



I just don't think that anybody cared enough about The Hunger Games in 2023 to make this prequel effort worthwhile in the first place. To me, this just comes off as another cash-grab from a studio trying to make some bank of of nostalgia by giving the audiences something they never asked for in the first place. I'm hoping that Lionsgate didn't screw the pooch and slap $200 to $250 Million on the table for this one, going into 2023 thinking they could take a risk like that because John Wick 4 and Expend4bles were going to cover any potential losses. If they only spent $100 Million on it, they might be able to avoid another serious financial disaster in 2023. That's really their only way out of this one.

Coming fresh off of the realization of what a terrible miscalculation resurrecting the 9-year-dead Expendables franchise was, I'd be terrified right now if I was a big-shot at Lionsgate with the prequel to the 8-year-dead Hunger Games franchise release looming. And I doubt that they will ever consider hiring Rachel Zegler to act in another movie they make. In all fairness to her, I don't think this movie would have done much better than breaking even in the best case scenario in the first place, but when it fails... and it will fail... they're going to be looking for any scapegoat they can find for the failure, and Rachel served it right up to them on a silver platter.



According to an article by Deadline, they're claiming that this will make $50 Million on opening weekend. I think that's probably high.

BoxOfficePro predicts in the area of $35 to $45 Million on opening weekend, with a Domestic total of $90 to $142 Million.

These final numbers seem quite a bit inflated to me as well compared to the opening weekend numbers. If it makes $45 Million opening weekend Domestic, there's no way it finishes up with $142 Million. If you assume a 50% drop week to week, after 10 weeks it's only made $90 Million. If you assume only a 40% drop week to week, after 10 weeks it's only made $112 Million.

The last Hunger Games movie was in 2015 and grossed $646 Million Worldwide, with 56.4% of that being International Gross.

Applying that to the figures BOP predicts for Domestic Gross that would be $206.5 to $326 Million Worldwide if the same international interest keeps pace with the Domestic take.



Choosing to only spend $100 Million on this instead of keeping up with inflation and spending $200 Million on it might have actually saved the entire production.

This one might not actually be a flop.

If it makes the high end of the final Domestic Box Office predictions AND has good international turnout, it could make $75 to $100 Million more than it needs to break even. That's best case scenario. A terrible showing compared to the previous 4 movies, but not another massive loss for Lionsgate in 2023.

If it makes the low end of the predictions and/or the international turnout isn't there, it could still lose $50 Million or even more.



The two big factors here are going to be...

1. Is there any excitement about seeing another Hunger Games movie that doesn't star anybody from the original cast?

2. How many people know who Rachel Zeglier is? If there are still a lot of normies out there who don't even know that name, this one might do alright.

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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 2:59 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Rachel Zegler, thats Hollyweirdo land product known as the SJW Antifa actress? Snow White movie delayed by a year

and Strike?

Rachel Zegler Given Permission To Promote ‘The Hunger Games
https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/10/31/rachel-zegler-given-permissi
on-to-promote-the-hunger-games-the-ballad-of-songbirds-and-snakes-issues-first-statement
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She stars in the WestSide Story - a flop
Zegler starred as Anthea in the superhero film Shazam! Fury of the Gods another bomb, a box office flop
Snow White ...seems to have been postponed to 2025? 2024? 2026?



Shazam!




so now


Third time Lucky? The Hunger Games

Zegler was initially not invited to attend the 94th Academy Awards ceremony to support her colleagues involved in West Side Story, which received seven nominations, including Best Picture. After some controversy over the perceived snub in the media, the Academy invited her to be a presenter.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220410144805/https://www.today.com/popcu
lture/awards/west-side-story-star-rachel-zegler-not-invited-oscars-rcna20829

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Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah...

That Snow White movie is going to cost half a billion dollars to produce if they keep pushing it off to tweak it. I'm hearing they're not intending to release it until 2025 now.

They should just put it out next year and make whatever they can off of it and stop dumping any money into it. They should also force Rachel on an apology tour.

And while we're at it, fuck Andrew Garfield for his interview with her where he said we needed to be "educated".



I hate that we know so much about these trash people. I quite liked Andrew Garfield in everything I've seen him in, and Under the Silver Lake is one of my top 10 movies.

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Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Gina Carano Reacts To SAG-AFTRA Allowing Rachel Zegler To Promote The Hunger Games: “The System Is Rigged And Littered With Posers”

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/11/01/gina-carano-reacts-to-sag-af
tra-allowing-rachel-zegler-to-promote-the-hunger-games-the-system-is-rigged-and-littered-with-posers
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“What an odd strike this is… small non studio productions are having trouble getting waivers but studios get the interim agreements left and right.. ”

“Celebrities go from the picket line to their promotional tours and red carpets. What happened to that ‘I better get paid for every hour I stand in this dress’ talk,” she continued highlighting comments Zegler made while on the picket line.

“Meanwhile the people who are actually suffering are the crews and actors not apart of studio projects or the ‘in group’ to get their waivers granted. The ones whose money will run out quicker, the ones who are having to pick up a second line of work. The ones who will be controlled a whole lot easier once the strike ends based off of desperation to work.”

“Think that was by accident? Maybe they should’ve granted waivers for ALL the non studio productions, keep people working and halt ALL studio productions if they really wanted to make a difference and reach a faster agreement…”

“Who is this strike really intended to hurt again? Better make a deal quick, people are starting to notice. I’m sure it’ll be in favor of all the ‘right’ people and all the ‘right’ people will pat themselves on the back on an excellent deal and months of suffering well worth the wait.”

“At least while you are at it, you could throw into the agreement that it will never again be permitted to allow any production to force inject poison, I mean experimental jabs, into peoples bodies in the name of science ever again.”

Ya know, cause that in itself wasn’t something big enough to have had a huge strike over. The hypocrisy is palpable. The system is rigged and littered with posers. Art is free, creativity is your rebellion. You don’t need permission to do that.”



Damn, Gina. Maybe you should run for President.

Or at least President of SAG-AFTRA



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Saturday, November 11, 2023 8:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Uh Oh!

Rotten Tomatoes Critics score is 67% with 45 reviews.

Top Critics give it only 44%.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hunger_games_the_ballad_of_songbi
rds_and_snakes


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Sunday, November 12, 2023 2:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Songbirds and Snakes has only a 53 out of 100 rating from critics on Metacritic with 22 reviews.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-hunger-games-the-ballad-of-songbi
rds-and-snakes
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At this point I think Wonka and Aquaman 2 and even to a lesser degree Wish before it are going to do decent business just because all the "blockbusters" before it suck.

Maybe Napoleon and a Toho Godzilla movie will benefit from this too. Another Trolls movie?

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Thursday, November 16, 2023 11:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Preview night is tonight, and just like Blue Beetle, it doesn't appear that there's much buzz around this one.

Here's Bruce's two lists at The Numbers this morning...

Most Anticipated Movies

Madame Web
Napoleon
Thanksgiving
Inside Out 2
Wish
Garfield
Next Goal Wins
Captain America: Brave New World
Arthur the King
Saltburn


Trending Movies

The Marvels
Five Nights at Freddy’s
Killers of the Flower Moon
Oppenheimer
Barbie
Madame Web
Saw X
Journey to Bethlehem
Sound of Freedom
The Flash


Rachel Zegler doesn't even make the trending people list anymore, but somehow Jean-Claude Van Damme does.

Trending People

Jean-Claude Van D…
Tom Cruise
Steven Spielberg
Ridley Scott
Brie Larson
Nicolas Cage
Dwayne Johnson
Will Dodds
Martin Scorsese
Leonardo DiCaprio




BoxOfficePro has raised their opening weekend prediction to $42M-$55M.

https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-forecast-the-hunger-ga
mes-the-ballad-of-songbirds-and-snakes-next-goal-wins-trolls-band-together-and-thanksgiving
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I'm sure this has something to do with how bad The Marvels is doing since there's really nothing else in the theaters to watch right now. They're all lucky that Dune 2 was moved back to 2024.




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Friday, November 17, 2023 9:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is looking at a Thursday night between $5.75M-$6M

https://deadline.com/2023/11/box-office-hunger-games-songbirds-and-sna
kes-1235616095
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The Marvels opened preview night with $6.6 Million.

I have no idea if this really means anything, but if it mirrored The Marvel's opening weekend to the Thursday Previews that will be around $40,172,300 on the low end and $41,576,200 on the high end.

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Friday, November 17, 2023 1:45 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Preview night is tonight, and just like Blue Beetle, it doesn't appear that there's much buzz around this one.

Here's Bruce's two lists at The Numbers this morning...

Most Anticipated Movies

Madame Web
Napoleon
Thanksgiving
Inside Out 2
Wish
Garfield
Next Goal Wins
Captain America: Brave New World
Arthur the King
Saltburn


Trending Movies

The Marvels
Five Nights at Freddy’s
Killers of the Flower Moon
Oppenheimer
Barbie
Madame Web
Saw X
Journey to Bethlehem
Sound of Freedom
The Flash


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BoxOfficePro has raised their opening weekend prediction to $42M-$55M.

https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-forecast-the-hunger-ga
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I'm sure this has something to do with how bad The Marvels is doing since there's really nothing else in the theaters to watch right now. They're all lucky that Dune 2 was moved back to 2024.




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Zegler has no star power, she does not have a strong fan base. This flick will be just another 2023 flop, does anyone remember 'Indy 5'? 'Blue Beetle'? 'Mission 7'? 2023 will be remembered as the year of the big budget flops...and 'Barbie'

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Friday, November 17, 2023 7:05 PM

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Lionsgate was smart though and only spent $100 Million to make it.

It's going to be considered a huge failure when compared to even the last two Hunger Games movies, but it's still too early to call it an actual box office flop, IMO.

It needs to cross $250 Million worldwide to break even.

I'd love to see it fail and for Rachel to have 4 flops in a row when Snow White comes out, but this will be her best chance at starring in a movie that finally makes at least a couple of bucks.

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Saturday, November 18, 2023 8:22 AM

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The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes is looking at a Thursday night between $5.75M-$6M

https://deadline.com/2023/11/box-office-hunger-games-songbirds-and-sna
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The Marvels opened preview night with $6.6 Million.

I have no idea if this really means anything, but if it mirrored The Marvel's opening weekend to the Thursday Previews that will be around $40,172,300 on the low end and $41,576,200 on the high end.



Bruce is predicting $44 Million.

As stated before, BoxOfficePro raised their expectations to $42-$55 Million from $35-$45 Million earlier this week. Though they don't outright say it, I'm sure this has to do with The Marvels doing much worse than even they predicted that it would do, and their predictions are pretty based compared to the rest of the movie media.




Bruce isn't happy with his model's prediction for Trolls Band Together at only $16 Million. He feels it should make around $20 Million. BoxOfficePro, however, predicted it will make $25-$33 Million. But that was before Thursday's preview numbers were known. $1.3 Million is not very good. Granted, it is a kid's movie and most parents are probably too busy on Thursday night to take their kids to the movies. The last kid's movie to come out was "Paw Patrol: The Mighty Movie" and they didn't even bother with preview Thursday.

The only other non-Disney kid's movies I can think of that came out in the last 2 years off hand are Super Mario Bros and Minions: Rise of Gru, and both of them are unfair comparisons. Minions made over $10 Million on preview night and Super Mario Bros came out on a Wednesday and made over $31 Million.

FNAF could probably be considered a kids movie too, but it's probably more a young adult movie since the fans of the series dating back to the original game would be late teens or early 20's now. I don't think a lot of little kids would have been able to talk their parents into taking them to see it. It also had the horror genre crossover and a release near Halloween. It did over $10 Million in previews.



Despite BoxOfficePro only giving The Marvels $16 Million, Bruce is still giving it $20 Million this weekend for a 2nd place showing according to his model that has trolls at $16 Million.





If Songbirds and Snakes gets a 50/50 Domestic/International split and ends up with $84 Million on Opening Weekend, it very likely won't end up getting the $250 Million it needs to break even. There's only two movies this year that earned close to 84% of their production Budget on Opening Weekend that ended up breaking even.

Equalzier 3 opened with 89% and ended up with 266% of its budget.

Cocaine Bear opened with 80% and ended up with 254% of its budget.

They both had smaller hurdles to overcome though, with E3's budget being $70 Million and Cocaine Bear's being only $35 Million.

This one is going to depend on International numbers to gauge whether it's a success or not. If it gets an extra $20 Million Internationally for $104 Million Worldwide this weekend it stands a much better chance.

Of the movies that made over 100% of the budget on Opening Weekend, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania is the only one that failed, and that had a $200M budget. The only movies that made 90% that failed were Fast X (94% opening weekend) and Gran Tourismo (90% opening weekend).

Fast X, like Quantumania, can be blamed on the crazy budget, with Fast X possibly being the most expensive movie released in 2023. Gran Tourismo only had a $60 Million budget, but it really was made for a niche audience and had no business costing that much money to make.

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Saturday, November 18, 2023 7:45 PM

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With $13.5 Million on Friday, my guess is that Songbirds and Snakes probably gets around $45 Million opening weekend including Thursday previews.

If the international take doesn't come in at under $55 Million, it has a chance to break even.


It made 1.72 Million Pounds in the UK, which is $2,142,806 on Friday. Mockingjay Part 2, which was previously the lowest grossing Hunger Games movie made $44 Million in the UK. S&S is going to make nowhere near that in the UK, MJp2 made $646 Million worldwide and S&S is very likely to come up $350-$400 Million short of that, so it's really hard to say what it will do internationally until we get the numbers on Monday.

But my guess is about $15-$17 Million in the UK in total based off of Friday's numbers. A little more than 1/3 of what MJp2 got there.

MJp2 made $102 Million in the states on opening weekend, so $45 Million is not quite half of that.

I'd say right now it's a coin flip if it breaks even at $250 Million. Depends on the international take this weekend and if it has any legs to it.

It's got a worse chance than that of beating Five Nights at Freddy's in the end though.


I'm going to laugh pretty hard of FNAF ends up beating The Marvels, Songbirds and Snakes AND Wish.

Wish is getting some pretty piss-poor reviews too from what I've heard.

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Sunday, November 19, 2023 4:36 PM

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Lionsgate is saying $44 Million for the weekend, and without nearly as much pressure on it as The Marvels had with only a $100 Million budget, I'm going to assume that it made more than this in reality and my $45 Million prediction was correct. We'll know tomorrow.

It would also appear that S&S got just $500k shy of the $55 Million Internationally I said it would need to have a chance to ultimately end up breaking even as well.

So until the real numbers come in, we're at 98.5% of the Production Budget on Opening Weekend.

The 1.5% difference is so small it doesn't change anything with the comparisons I made the other day, and chances are it hits over $100 Million after the real numbers come in.

S&S has a chance here to break even, but only if it has strong legs. The fact that Wish is getting terrible reviews, The Marvels is already DOA on the 2nd weekend and no real competition comes out until the middle of December when Wonka comes out all are acting in its favor here.

Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix?

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Monday, November 20, 2023 8:14 AM

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Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix?

These 8K TV sets are better than a movie projector.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/promo/tv-deals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinema

The choice is clear if you factor in the outrageous price of theater popcorn/drinks versus microwave popcorn/2 liter Coke bottle from your refrigerator and the 20 minutes of commercials before the local cinema begins the show.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Monday, November 20, 2023 1:04 PM

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Lionsgate is saying $44 Million for the weekend, and without nearly as much pressure on it as The Marvels had with only a $100 Million budget, I'm going to assume that it made more than this in reality and my $45 Million prediction was correct. We'll know tomorrow.

It would also appear that S&S got just $500k shy of the $55 Million Internationally I said it would need to have a chance to ultimately end up breaking even as well.

So until the real numbers come in, we're at 98.5% of the Production Budget on Opening Weekend.

The 1.5% difference is so small it doesn't change anything with the comparisons I made the other day, and chances are it hits over $100 Million after the real numbers come in.

S&S has a chance here to break even, but only if it has strong legs. The fact that Wish is getting terrible reviews, The Marvels is already DOA on the 2nd weekend and no real competition comes out until the middle of December when Wonka comes out all are acting in its favor here.

Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix?

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What's going to make or break this flick is if there'll be any repeat business. This I believe is the reason these so called 'block busters' have been tanking, the fan base goes and sees them once (or not at all) and never goes back.

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Monday, November 20, 2023 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Lionsgate is saying $44 Million for the weekend, and without nearly as much pressure on it as The Marvels had with only a $100 Million budget, I'm going to assume that it made more than this in reality and my $45 Million prediction was correct. We'll know tomorrow.

It would also appear that S&S got just $500k shy of the $55 Million Internationally I said it would need to have a chance to ultimately end up breaking even as well.

So until the real numbers come in, we're at 98.5% of the Production Budget on Opening Weekend.

The 1.5% difference is so small it doesn't change anything with the comparisons I made the other day, and chances are it hits over $100 Million after the real numbers come in.

S&S has a chance here to break even, but only if it has strong legs. The fact that Wish is getting terrible reviews, The Marvels is already DOA on the 2nd weekend and no real competition comes out until the middle of December when Wonka comes out all are acting in its favor here.

Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix?

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What's going to make or break this flick is if there'll be any repeat business. This I believe is the reason these so called 'block busters' have been tanking, the fan base goes and sees them once (or not at all) and never goes back.




That is a good point that I haven't been taking into account.

In the case of The Marvels though, that tanked so hard the first two weekends that repeat viewings don't even matter. The few people who went out to see that could see it 4 times and it still wouldn't help.

I'll come right out and say it. I want S&S to fail to break even just because I don't Rachel Zegler to be able to have anybody who can claim that one of her first 4 movies didn't bomb in the box office.

But I also feel the need to maintain my own integrity and not call something a flop when it hasn't yet proven itself a flop. And on that note, Ryan Kinel pissed me off yesterday claiming that S&S needs $300 Million to break even.

S&S does NOT need $300 Million to break even. S&S needs only $250 Million to break even.

These movies are doing badly enough on their own that we don't need people with actual voices out there lying about things like this and discrediting not only themselves, but everybody else who is sick of the woke bullshit and is enjoying watching them all finally fail hard in 2023.


So far, S&S is not a flop.

It very well could be one by next weekend, but people with YouTube/Twitter presences need to stop calling it a flop until it is actually a flop.



It didn't make $45 Million Domestic on the weekend box office, but I was right that they lowballed it and it made $44.6 Million instead of only $44 Million. Internationals were likely lowballed as well, so it still possibly made $100 Million in total opening weekend, which is 100% of its Production Budget, and except for Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, every movie so far in 2023 that has made 100% of its PB on Opening Weekend has ended up at least breaking even this year.

I hope it fails hard by the 2nd weekend, but until it does I will not call this a flop.

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Tuesday, November 21, 2023 1:56 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Lionsgate is saying $44 Million for the weekend, and without nearly as much pressure on it as The Marvels had with only a $100 Million budget, I'm going to assume that it made more than this in reality and my $45 Million prediction was correct. We'll know tomorrow.

It would also appear that S&S got just $500k shy of the $55 Million Internationally I said it would need to have a chance to ultimately end up breaking even as well.

So until the real numbers come in, we're at 98.5% of the Production Budget on Opening Weekend.

The 1.5% difference is so small it doesn't change anything with the comparisons I made the other day, and chances are it hits over $100 Million after the real numbers come in.

S&S has a chance here to break even, but only if it has strong legs. The fact that Wish is getting terrible reviews, The Marvels is already DOA on the 2nd weekend and no real competition comes out until the middle of December when Wonka comes out all are acting in its favor here.

Are people going to spend money this winter to just go out and see anything, or are they going to stay home where it's warm and watch Netflix?

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What's going to make or break this flick is if there'll be any repeat business. This I believe is the reason these so called 'block busters' have been tanking, the fan base goes and sees them once (or not at all) and never goes back.




That is a good point that I haven't been taking into account.

In the case of The Marvels though, that tanked so hard the first two weekends that repeat viewings don't even matter. The few people who went out to see that could see it 4 times and it still wouldn't help.

I'll come right out and say it. I want S&S to fail to break even just because I don't Rachel Zegler to be able to have anybody who can claim that one of her first 4 movies didn't bomb in the box office.

But I also feel the need to maintain my own integrity and not call something a flop when it hasn't yet proven itself a flop. And on that note, Ryan Kinel pissed me off yesterday claiming that S&S needs $300 Million to break even.

S&S does NOT need $300 Million to break even. S&S needs only $250 Million to break even.

These movies are doing badly enough on their own that we don't need people with actual voices out there lying about things like this and discrediting not only themselves, but everybody else who is sick of the woke bullshit and is enjoying watching them all finally fail hard in 2023.


So far, S&S is not a flop.

It very well could be one by next weekend, but people with YouTube/Twitter presences need to stop calling it a flop until it is actually a flop.



It didn't make $45 Million Domestic on the weekend box office, but I was right that they lowballed it and it made $44.6 Million instead of only $44 Million. Internationals were likely lowballed as well, so it still possibly made $100 Million in total opening weekend, which is 100% of its Production Budget, and except for Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, every movie so far in 2023 that has made 100% of its PB on Opening Weekend has ended up at least breaking even this year.

I hope it fails hard by the 2nd weekend, but until it does I will not call this a flop.

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As far as I'm concerned if a 'Hunger Games' prequel only breaks even it's a flop, that means it'll be forgotten by Christmas. A 'Hunger Games' prequel should be in the top 5 at Christmas, this will be lucky if it's in the top 10. This flick will fade away before you know it, the only thing they'll be able to boast is that they didn't lose mega bucks.

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Tuesday, November 21, 2023 6:29 PM

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As far as I'm concerned if a 'Hunger Games' prequel only breaks even it's a flop, that means it'll be forgotten by Christmas. A 'Hunger Games' prequel should be in the top 5 at Christmas, this will be lucky if it's in the top 10. This flick will fade away before you know it, the only thing they'll be able to boast is that they didn't lose mega bucks.



Your opinion is duly noted.

But the definition of a flop is if it loses money.

There's zero chance that it will be considered a success, and I think that they'd be crazy to try to put a sequel out for this prequel if the best they can do is break even or makes a couple of peanuts on top of breaking even, but until it actually loses money for Lionsgate, it's not an actual flop.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2023 2:24 PM

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113% of the Production budget after 6 days.

Both Monday and Cheap Seat Tuesday looked pretty good compared to the weekend with $5.2 Million and $6.5 Million, respectively.

We'll see what happened today, since it was the first Wednesday that saw the first steep drop for FNAF and The Marvels. It should tell us our first big news on whether S&S is going to be an official flop or not.



ETA: BoxOfficePro predicts $20.5 Million for the 3-Day and $29.8 Million for the 5-Day Holiday Weekend, and a -54% drop from Weekend 1. This would put it at $82.4 Million Domestic and ahead of The Marvels.

At least right now, it doesn't appear to have nearly as strong a presence Internationally as The Marvels did, with a virtual 50/50 split Domestic/International vs. The Marvels' 41/59 split.

It's got a long hill to climb to break even at $250 Million. If it maintains a 50/50 split after weekend 2 and those predictions at BOP are correct, it will only have about $165 Million after 2 weekends and still need to get $85 Million more. It's still possible, but there are a lot of options in theaters right now.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2023 11:33 PM

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I've noticed that Rachel has been making an effort to boost her market cred, after torpedoing it.
She has been pimping herself, going out to red carpets and photo events wearing see-through dresses and showing off her nipples. And not smiling anymore.
Contrasting to her prior record of limited wardrobe malfunctions or slutwear, when she was always smiling.

Wonder how she feels now, showing off her meat-worthiness in revealing slutwear to pay for her transgressions - brought about by expressing her Empowerment as a Wymmin.


Maybe she will be doing pron next year.




Not HG, but saw M$M reporting that Jew Hater Melissa Barressa was dropped from the next Scream while it is filming.
And Jew Hater Susan Sarandon was dropped from her agency for her Kill-the-Jews rants.

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Thursday, November 23, 2023 6:27 AM

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I've noticed that Rachel has been making an effort to boost her market cred, after torpedoing it.
She has been pimping herself, going out to red carpets and photo events wearing see-through dresses and showing off her nipples. And not smiling anymore.
Contrasting to her prior record of limited wardrobe malfunctions or slutwear, when she was always smiling.

Wonder how she feels now, showing off her meat-worthiness in revealing slutwear to pay for her transgressions - brought about by expressing her Empowerment as a Wymmin.


Maybe she will be doing pron next year.




Not HG, but saw M$M reporting that Jew Hater Melissa Barressa was dropped from the next Scream while it is filming.
And Jew Hater Susan Sarandon was dropped from her agency for her Kill-the-Jews rants.



The agency that dumped old Sue (UTA) is the same agency that dropped Gina Carano, you would think that your agent would have your back, not at UTA.

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Thursday, November 23, 2023 12:51 PM

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S&S takes 1st place on Wednesday with $7,280,000.

If you subtract the $2.3 Million from Wish's previews and the $3 Million from Napoleon's previews, they only made $6 Million and $4.725 Million for 2nd and 3rd place.


Bad news for Disney, and also bad news for anybody who wants to see S&S fail.

I know it is a Holiday weekend, but the first major drop for The Marvels and FNAF was the first Wednesday (-46% and -48%, respectively).

But S&S just posted a 12% gain from Cheap Seat Tuesday, bumping its WW total to just under $120 Million. It will have more than half of what it needs to break even tonight without taking any international numbers since Sunday into account.

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Friday, November 24, 2023 1:17 PM

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Well... Besides the soft-ish opening, especially when compared to the original quadrilogy, S&S certainly isn't exhibiting flopish behavior.

As I said yesterday, without any international numbers since Sunday, it crossed the 50% threshold it needed to be halfway there to breaking even.

We'll see how it actually does on the 2nd weekend, but so far it's embarrassing Disney not once, but twice in its 7 Day run.


Songbirds & Snakes pulls in another $5.9 Million for a 1st Place on Thanksgiving, while Disney's Wish pulls in only $3.9 Million for 3rd Place behind Napoleon's $4.375 Million.




I'm going to hate seeing this one break even, but the cost of admission here is probably worth it.

Rachel Zegler's big dumb mouth is one of the latest reasons that Disney is getting hammered so hard by the average consumer, and yet, at the same time, the first and only movie out of the first four starring roles she had that might break even will break even simply because Disney can't put out an even halfway-successful movie around Thanksgiving in 2023 in not one but two VERY EXPENSIVE attempts.



In any other year but 2023 there is zero chance that an Hunger Games prequel to an 8 year dormant franchise would have stood a chance in between an $275 Million MCU flick and a $200 Million / 100th Anniversary Disney animated feature.

This is just getting silly now.

I can't wait to update the Disney Failure Thread this weekend.


ETA: I have to add both The Creator and Next Goal Wins to the Disney thread, and go back through the movie list and see if there were any others that I missed.

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Saturday, November 25, 2023 12:35 PM

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$11.4M projected on Friday for only a -40% drop and 1st place above Napoleon at $8.35M and Wish at $8M.

Disney's back-to-back massive failures are almost certainly going to make S&S break even and make a few bucks at this point. With 2 days left to go on the 2nd weekend and without any international updates since Sunday, S&S already has 137% of the Production Budget. I imagine it will be over 200% by the time the Domestic Weekend is over and the new international money is counted.

Something seriously drastic would have to happen now for S&S to be considered a loser on the 2.5x RoT scale (such as finding out that the international audience just walked away by the 2nd weekend), and with no new possible competition until Wonka comes out on the 15th I really don't see that happening.

It probably won't break even after only 3 weekends, but unless there's a major shift I'd imagine it breaks even somewhere during weekend 4.

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Sunday, November 26, 2023 12:21 PM

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Disney's back-to-back massive failures are almost certainly going to make S&S break even and make a few bucks at this point. With 2 days left to go on the 2nd weekend and without any international updates since Sunday, S&S already has 137% of the Production Budget. I imagine it will be over 200% by the time the Domestic Weekend is over and the new international money is counted.

Something seriously drastic would have to happen now for S&S to be considered a loser on the 2.5x RoT scale (such as finding out that the international audience just walked away by the 2nd weekend), and with no new possible competition until Wonka comes out on the 15th I really don't see that happening.

It probably won't break even after only 3 weekends, but unless there's a major shift I'd imagine it breaks even somewhere during weekend 4.



$28,820,000 projected for Weekend 2 in the US (The 3-Day, not the 5-Day). I'm hearing people say that it is a record low 2nd weekend drop for 2023. I'd have to do a lot of work to verify or prove that claim false, but I do have to admit that I don't believe can recall a movie that I've tracked in 2023 that dropped only -35% from the first weekend.

The international money came in too, and while neither of them quite doubled from opening weekend, it was close. The worldwide total now is $197,270,000. If the projections were lowballed it is probably over $200 Million. The Domestic lowball will be corrected by tomorrow, but because of the nature of Internationals we'll never know for sure.

So Songbirds and Snakes has now made 197% of its Production Budget back in only 10 days.

I'm eating crow for the creation of this thread now and officially certifying this Not A Flop.


I still stand by my prior prediction that we won't see this break even by next weekend, but it will probably be pretty close. If it sees another -35% drop next weekend both Domestic and International, it will already be a winner by then, but this was the holiday weekend here in the states, and typically the 7 days after Opening Weekend Internationally is pretty close to 100% of the Opening Weekend, which is what happened here.

My guess is that by the time Weekend 4 starts, it will already be over 250% and every penny it makes will be profit.


Rachel Zegler's like a frenemy now. She's destroying Disney whether she's a part of the production or not.






But yeah... See what I mean here?

I saw very early warning signs that this was going to break even and make money, all the way back when we found out it had a $100 Million budget. The colossal flop of The Marvels with the largest 2nd week drop of a comic book movie ever all but sealed the deal here. Now that Wish is going to take 3rd place this weekend and didn't give any competition at all, Rachel gets her first movie that wasn't a box office flop.


I may be eating a small dish of crow here, but all those rage-bait YouTube jagoffs I mentioned before are going to be eating a buffet of crow.

Oh... who am I kidding? They're going to pretend like Songbirds and Snakes never existed and move right on to Wish.

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Monday, November 27, 2023 6:28 PM

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Yeah. $197,490,423 after 10 days worldwide, with a virtual 50/50 split.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hunger-Games-The-The-Ballad-of-Songb
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This one is probably going to easily clear $300 Million worldwide because of back-to-back Disney flops. It could even reach $350 Million if nothing else competes with it for the rest of the year. They're already calling Aquaman 2 a flop, so we'll see.


It will make nowhere near the level of money any of the originals made, but they're already saying that it will make enough that they'll make a sequel to it.

I think that's probably ill advised, but it wouldn't be a worse idea than making Expendables 5.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2023 12:26 PM

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It's all like picking low-hanging fruit at this point.

I almost feel bad about making the Aquaman 2 failure thread, like I'm kicking a dead horse. I don't feel that way when I'm laughing about Disney's failures, but I don't think that WB was anywhere close to the level of attempted en masse social reprogramming that Disney has been engaging in.

I'm actually glad that S&S is going to be a winner out of this at Disney's expense. They can't ALL be losers simultaneously, and if S&S was a loser too, that would have just translated into less debt at the Box Office for Disney at the end of the year.

This incorrect prediction will keep me on my toes.



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It's all like picking low-hanging fruit at this point.

I almost feel bad about making the Aquaman 2 failure thread, like I'm kicking a dead horse. I don't feel that way when I'm laughing about Disney's failures, but I don't think that WB was anywhere close to the level of attempted en masse social reprogramming that Disney has been engaging in.

I'm actually glad that S&S is going to be a winner out of this at Disney's expense. They can't ALL be losers simultaneously, and if S&S was a loser too, that would have just translated into less debt at the Box Office for Disney at the end of the year.

This incorrect prediction will keep me on my toes.



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This flick wasn't seen as 'woke' slop, the reason most people wanted it to tank was because one of it's stars is a douche. This flick isn't going to come anywhere near a billion $ at the B.O.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's all like picking low-hanging fruit at this point.

I almost feel bad about making the Aquaman 2 failure thread, like I'm kicking a dead horse. I don't feel that way when I'm laughing about Disney's failures, but I don't think that WB was anywhere close to the level of attempted en masse social reprogramming that Disney has been engaging in.

I'm actually glad that S&S is going to be a winner out of this at Disney's expense. They can't ALL be losers simultaneously, and if S&S was a loser too, that would have just translated into less debt at the Box Office for Disney at the end of the year.

This incorrect prediction will keep me on my toes.



This flick wasn't seen as 'woke' slop, the reason most people wanted it to tank was because one of it's stars is a douche. This flick isn't going to come anywhere near a billion $ at the B.O.



Yeah. I totally wanted it to fail because of her, but we can't always get what we want.

I don't think Lionsgate is particularly known for putting out woke drek, so it doesn't surprise me to hear that despite her casting it's not being considered woke. I mean, it's not as if Lionsgate was at fault for that casting. According to the Internets, casting for the movie was all the way back in June of 2022, long before anybody outside of the cast of West Side Story's remake even knew her name.

If it actually isn't woke, there's a 50/50 chance this movie was even better than John Wick 4, despite Rachel's casting. I HATED John Wick 4. The only good JW movies were the first two, but you can't even watch the 2nd one a second time because it's part of that 3 movie arc that concludes with 4.

After the financial success of JW4, Lionsgate has taken a beating this year. Before the PB and WW Gross of S&S is factored in, Lionsgate was already in the red $159,892,230 as of 10/31/2023. (And I don't know if any other LG films had made more money against that deficit going into S&S until I update all my lists).

I don't want to see Lionsgate fail. I have no particular grotch against the studio.


If there was no other movies they had in theaters, it's not likely they're going to end the year breaking even based only on Songbirds and Snakes worldwide box office, but every dollar they make above $250 Million will chip away at that $160 Million deficit for the year.

It could have been a lot worse for them, especially after Expendables 4.

Plus, a REAL bright side here for Lionsgate is that they never went the Disney-Dumb route and made a Lionsgate+ streaming service. So they get to license all of these movies including their flops to other streaming services like Netflix and Amazon and actually make money on the back end instead of showing it on their own streaming service that loses hundreds of millions of dollars every quarter.



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Sunday, December 3, 2023 11:27 AM

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Songbirds & Snakes took a -50% hit this weekend from last.

That only looks bad on paper though compared to its abnormally low -35% 2nd weekend drop and Bruce's terrible prediction that it was going to make nearly $7 Million more than it did this weekend with only a -27% drop from last weekend. (That was really an insane prediction to make buddy). -50% isn't bad... Especially on a weekend with 4 new wide releases.

Without the international numbers in yet, it's at $221.3 Million, or 221% of its Production Budget.

I actually expect this movie to clear the $250 Million it needed to break even once the international numbers roll in. It's a full week of new money, and I doubt that the Beyonce concert thing dug into its international profits as much as it did in the US this weekend.

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Tuesday, December 5, 2023 9:34 AM

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Songbirds & Snakes took a -50% hit this weekend from last.

That only looks bad on paper though compared to its abnormally low -35% 2nd weekend drop and Bruce's terrible prediction that it was going to make nearly $7 Million more than it did this weekend with only a -27% drop from last weekend. (That was really an insane prediction to make buddy). -50% isn't bad... Especially on a weekend with 4 new wide releases.

Without the international numbers in yet, it's at $221.3 Million, or 221% of its Production Budget.

I actually expect this movie to clear the $250 Million it needed to break even once the international numbers roll in. It's a full week of new money, and I doubt that the Beyonce concert thing dug into its international profits as much as it did in the US this weekend.



Well the Beyonce thing didn't touch Songbirds & Snakes, since the Beyonce thing only did $5.5 Million Internationally.

It doesn't appear that anything else did either unless it was the boyfriends' turn to drag the girlfriends' to the movie they wanted to see this weekend and watch Godzilla Minus One which did twice Internationally what it did in the US.


In any event, I should have been paying more attention to my prior posts on this movie before saying that it should have 250% by the end of the weekend.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 25th):

It probably won't break even after only 3 weekends, but unless there's a major shift I'd imagine it breaks even somewhere during weekend 4.



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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 26th):
I still stand by my prior prediction that we won't see this break even by next weekend, but it will probably be pretty close. If it sees another -35% drop next weekend both Domestic and International, it will already be a winner by then, but this was the holiday weekend here in the states, and typically the 7 days after Opening Weekend Internationally is pretty close to 100% of the Opening Weekend, which is what happened here.

My guess is that by the time Weekend 4 starts, it will already be over 250% and every penny it makes will be profit.




It's at $243.6 Million right now after the internationals came in. Since it only made $8.1 Million during the week in the US last week, chances that it would make the $6.4 Million it needs to hit $250 Million are about zero. So my first prediction from November 25th was the correct one, and we'll see it hit $250 Million either Friday or Saturday night depending how big the drops are this week.

It's also maintained its virtual 50/50 Domestic/International split that it's seen since the beginning, pulling away just slightly to a $1.8 Million International lead. I think I was grossly overestimating either the impact that Beyonce's thing had here, or the lack of impact it was going to have overseas.

Any chances S&S had of grossing $350 Million are gone now, but it could still hit $300 Million if it keeps its legs and is in theaters long enough.

Two days ago I would have said that despite its surprise performance it was never going to catch up to Five Nights at Freddy's, but FNAF mysteriously lost $8 Million yesterday, dropping from $299 Million+ to only $291 Million+. If that money isn't added back to FNAF and the international run is just about done, S&S could probably end up beating FNAF.

That would be silly. I don't imagine that 2 months ago anybody was predicting that out of The Marvels, Wish and S&S the only one that would gross more worldwide than FNAF was going to be this one.



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Saturday, December 9, 2023 1:49 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 25th):

It probably won't break even after only 3 weekends, but unless there's a major shift I'd imagine it breaks even somewhere during weekend 4.



Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 26th):

I still stand by my prior prediction that we won't see this break even by next weekend, but it will probably be pretty close. If it sees another -35% drop next weekend both Domestic and International, it will already be a winner by then, but this was the holiday weekend here in the states, and typically the 7 days after Opening Weekend Internationally is pretty close to 100% of the Opening Weekend, which is what happened here.

My guess is that by the time Weekend 4 starts, it will already be over 250% and every penny it makes will be profit.



It did break even three days before Weekend 4 started.

Some international money must have been added for last week since my last post, because if you subtract the daily amounts that S&S has made for the week, it appears to have broken even at $250 Million on Tuesday, December 5th.

It currently stands at $255,806,535 worldwide after Friday's $2.7 Million projection, so it's already profited over $5 Million and everything else it makes now is gravy.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hunger-Games-The-The-Ballad-of-Songb
irds-and-Snakes-(2023)#tab=box-office


Songbirds and Snakes... Officially not a flop as of 4 days ago.

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The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is available for FREE from https://yts.mx/movies/the-hunger-games-the-ballad-of-songbirds-snakes-
2023


It premiered on Nov 17, 2023, only 3 weeks ago. How does a movie make money when it is also available for FREE? Owning a movie theater is such a difficult business to be in.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hunger-Games-The-The-Ballad-of-Songb
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How does a movie make money when it is also available for FREE?



Apparently it wasn't made for you. You people never pay for anything.

A lesson that Disney learned in 2023 and would be wise to put into practice going forward.

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Sunday, December 10, 2023 8:33 PM

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Songbirds & Snakes takes 2nd place again this weekend.

$262,506,535 is the Worldwide total right now. It doesn't appear that International money has been added yet, since it was over $255 Million after Friday's projections and it made another $6.7 Million on Saturday/Sunday. So there's probably another $8 or $9 Million international coming to keep it right around 50/50 like it's been since the start, or somewhere just over $270 Million.

Unless Bruce adds back that $8 Million that Five Nights at Freddy's lost last week, Songbirds & Snakes is only $31 Million behind now without those internationals. With $9.5 Million in the bank this weekend in the US, there is a chance that it beats FNAF.

It still cost 5 times as much as FNAF to make, but it could be the only movie out of the three (Wish and The Marvels) that actually can claim it grossed more than FNAF.

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Tuesday, December 12, 2023 2:53 AM

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Nope. Looks like 51% Domestic / 49% International.

$266,461,092 is the Worldwide number after the weekend.

Five Nights at Freddy's is at $293 Million, so the race is on.

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Sunday, December 17, 2023 11:42 AM

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It appears that we've already got internationals in for S&S along with the weekend projections. Another $5.8 Million in the US and enough international money in to make it a virtual 50/50 split again with less than $100k difference between Domestic/International now.

Total WW Gross is now $290,383,094.


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I'll come right out and say it. I want S&S to fail to break even just because I don't Rachel Zegler to be able to have anybody who can claim that one of her first 4 movies didn't bomb in the box office.

But I also feel the need to maintain my own integrity and not call something a flop when it hasn't yet proven itself a flop. And on that note, Ryan Kinel pissed me off yesterday claiming that S&S needs $300 Million to break even.

S&S does NOT need $300 Million to break even. S&S needs only $250 Million to break even.

These movies are doing badly enough on their own that we don't need people with actual voices out there lying about things like this and discrediting not only themselves, but everybody else who is sick of the woke bullshit and is enjoying watching them all finally fail hard in 2023.


So far, S&S is not a flop.

It very well could be one by next weekend, but people with YouTube/Twitter presences need to stop calling it a flop until it is actually a flop.
...

I hope it fails hard by the 2nd weekend, but until it does I will not call this a flop.



Fast forward to December 17th: Obviously, not a flop.

Congratulations, Rachel, on your first Box Office win. Keep your mouth shut going forward and the general audiences will probably forget over time how insufferable you are. I get it. Kids and young adults kinda suck. Especially those born with a silver spoon up their ass. I hope that you really reflect on the last year and take away the right lessons from all of this and become a well-balanced adult who is grateful for your position in life rather than spending the rest of it being an entitled brat.

I also hope for your sake that Snow White gets shelved like Batgirl, or Disney will have spent the money to make such extensive changes to the movie by the time it releases that it doesn't even resemble whatever horror show you all had originally planned to release. Because even if you've genuinely changed your tune by the time that movie finally releases you're not through the worst of it yet.


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This one is probably going to easily clear $300 Million worldwide because of back-to-back Disney flops. It could even reach $350 Million if nothing else competes with it for the rest of the year. They're already calling Aquaman 2 a flop, so we'll see.



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Any chances S&S had of grossing $350 Million are gone now, but it could still hit $300 Million if it keeps its legs and is in theaters long enough.

...

I don't imagine that 2 months ago anybody was predicting that out of The Marvels, Wish and S&S the only one that would gross more worldwide than FNAF was going to be this one.




Yeah. I'm pretty sure my revised opinion that it won't make $350 Million was correct. At $290 Million now, I just don't see it happening unless something completely unexpected happens like Bruce finding $20+ Million of international money that fell under the couch cushions.

But $300 Million is an absolute certainty now, so even Ryan Kinel with his lie of an inflated break-even number can go bounce on that (although, we all know he's never going to mention Songbirds and Snakes on his channel ever again).

Five Nights at Freddy's is essentially dead now, both in the US and apparently internationally as well. So unless taking away $8 Million a while back from its international gross was a mistake to be rectified in the future, S&S shouldn't have any problems grossing more money worldwide than FNAF now... and honestly, with a severe end-of-life drop in FNAF's ticket sales worldwide and $290 Million in the bank for S&S already, there was almost zero chance FNAF could hold off S&S from that win even if the $8 Million was added back.

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Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:

‘The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes’ Gets a Digital Release: Where to Watch It Online

'The Hunger Games' prequel starring Tom Blyth, Rachel Zegler, Peter Dinklage, Jason Schwartzman and Viola Davis is available to watch at home starting Dec. 19.
By Rudie Obias | December 18, 2023 11:22am

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/watch-strea
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Domestic Releases: November 17th, 2023 (Wide) by Lionsgate

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hunger-Games-The-The-Ballad-of-Songb
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One in general: https://unblockit.ing/
The one in general keeps moving around. To follow its movements to new locations, go to https://twitter.com/ThePirateProxy
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Tuesday, December 19, 2023 12:08 PM

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Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:



Crashed? What are you even talking about?

It hasn't crashed.

In fact, despite its disappointing opening weekend of $44,607,143, it's had fantastic legs throughout its entire run so far... but most importantly on its 2nd weekend.

This was the 2nd reason that I predicted after only 2 weekends it was going to be profitable. The first reason was when the production budget of only $100 Million was announced right before release, at which point I had already figured I might have made a mistake when predicting S&S was going to fail (it's all in the history of this thread).

Songbirds and Snakes dropped only -35%, 51%, 34% and 37% per weekend since it opened.

Any weekend less than -50% from the previous is considered good business. ESPECIALLY the 2nd weekend drop. The further away from -50%, the better you did. When you're running an average after 5 weeks of only -39.25%, it means you did something right.

Opening Weekend: $44,607,143
Domestic Total after 31 days: $145,260,915
Worldwide Total after 31 days: $292,337,640
Needed to break even: $250,000,000
Money Made/Lost: +$42,337,640



Let's do some comparisons here...

The Marvels: -78%, -38%, -60%, -46%, -60%

Opening Weekend: $46,110,859
Domestic Total after 38 days: $84,029,703
Worldwide total after 38 days: $199,628,335
Needed to break even: $687,500,000
Money Made/Lost: -$487,871,665

Wish: -61%, 31%, 40%

Opening Weekend: $19,698,228
Domestic Total after 26 days: $54,235,593
Worldwide Total after 26 days: $126,135,593
Needed to break even $500,000,000
Money Made/Lost: -$373,864,407


Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania: -70%, -60%, -44%, -41%, -43%, -49%, -76%, -85%, -56%, -40%

Opening Weekend: $106,109,650
Domestic Total after 119 days: $214,506,909
Worldwide Total after 119 days: $463,635,303
Needed to break even $500,000,000
Money Made/Lost: -$36,364,697

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: -55%, -55%, -46%, -41%, -60%, -42%, -52%, -47%, -46%, -56%

Opening Weekend: $60,368,101
Domestic Total after 77 days: $174,480,468
Worldwide Total after 77 days: $381,561,976
Needed to break even $750,000,000
Money Made/Lost: -$368,438,024


It should also be noted that the days of a floundering flick getting 119 days in the theaters like Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania did are over. 1st quarter of 2023 was a very long time ago and the entire box office model has changed since then.

Indiana Jones only got 77 days. The Flash only got 63 days. Blue Beetle only got 77 days.


Also...

Quote:

Any weekend less than -50% from the previous is considered good business. ESPECIALLY the 2nd weekend drop. The further away from -50%, the better you did. When you're running an average after 5 weeks of only -39.25%, it means you did something right.


This is perfectly on display here when you look at Songbirds & Snakes compared to The Marvels since their opening weekend numbers are so similar.

Songbirds and Snakes opened to $44,607,143.

The Marvels opened to $46,110,859

But after only 31 days, Songbirds and Snakes has made 326% of its opening weekend.

With an entire extra week in theaters, The Marvels has only managed to make 182% of its opening weekend with 38 days.


Sure, the average drop of 56.4% for The Marvels doesn't sound all that bad on paper, but it suffered from a -78% drop on weekend 2, which was the most massive drop for a comic book movie in history. So even though it managed to eek out only a -38% drop on Weekend 3, the damage had already been done.

The Marvel's only made $6,325,243 on Weekend 3 after the -38% drop. But that's compared to the $46,110,859 it got only 2 weekends prior before it suffered that -78% drop.


It's cumulative. Just like inflation. If you understood inflation, you'd understand how making money in movies works and you wouldn't have made this stupid post.

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:



Crashed? What are you even talking about?

It hasn't crashed.

Here are the numbers for five The Hunger Games movies:

Note well the decreasing Gross as time goes by.

Release Date Domestic Gross Worldwide Gross

Mar 8, 2012 $408,010,692 $677,923,379

Nov 15, 2013 $424,668,047 $864,808,014

Nov 19, 2014 $337,135,885 $766,575,131

Nov 18, 2015 $281,723,902 $646,219,954

Nov 15, 2023 $145,260,915 $292,337,640

https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=The+Hunger+Games

Hollywood will not be rebooting this movie series because teenagers in the not-too-distant future will realize that they can stay home and watch a REBOOTED Hunger Games (or some similar, but all-new, Young Adult movies) without paying high movie theater prices (or outrageous snack prices).

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:



Crashed? What are you even talking about?

It hasn't crashed.

Here are the numbers for five The Hunger Games movies:

Note well the decreasing Gross as time goes by.

Release Date Domestic Gross Worldwide Gross

Mar 8, 2012 $408,010,692 $677,923,379

Nov 15, 2013 $424,668,047 $864,808,014

Nov 19, 2014 $337,135,885 $766,575,131

Nov 18, 2015 $281,723,902 $646,219,954

Nov 15, 2023 $145,260,915 $292,337,640

https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=The+Hunger+Games






No. It didn't decrease over time.

The 2nd Hunger Games movie made more than the 1st movie.

You'd know that if you looked at the fucking numbers you just posted, twit.

The reason the 3rd and especially the 4th did worse is because A) Fans were pissed they split the last book up into 2 movies and B) Fans didn't care much for either the 1st or 2nd part of the 3rd movie. Go look up the reviews yourself. In fact, you can just scroll up toward the beginning of this thread because I've already gone over all of this in detail.

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Of course Hollywood will reboot it. That is what Hollywood always does.

In the meantime, this movie will get a sequel because it was profitable.


You're such an argumentative idiot that you're now arguing my usual side of watching Hollywood burn because you have no core values or any purpose or meaning to your life.

If you weren't paying any attention at all, I was rooting for this movie to fail. It didn't. And I'm man enough to let everyone know that I was wrong and that this movie was actually a success.


It didn't do worse than the old Hunger Games movies because people can watch it at home. It did worse because it didn't have anybody from the original cast and it had been nearly a decade since the last movie came out. It also did worse because it wasn't as good as the original movies. And even though it didn't sink the movie, the Rachel Zegler Factor was in play to a degree as well.

But it still made money. And in a year when Lionsgate had 4 expensive turds that hurt their bottom line deeply, they're not going to forget it. And, unlike Disney, Lionsgate wisely lowered their Production Budget for this and all their other movies that came out this year. Songbirds & Snakes was $25 to $30 Million cheaper than the last 3 Hunger Games movies were to make. With inflation factored in, it was $62 to $107 Million cheaper to make than the last 3 Hunger Games movies.

And your stupid ass argument that "ticket sales crashed" because it was available for streaming online now both legally and illegally was pure bullshit and I provided all the figures proving that.

You didn't read that and admit that you were wrong, because you're a sad little boy.

Go cry to your mommy, cunt. Nobody here gives a shit about all of your incorrect opinions and your desire to always be the center of attention.

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

And your stupid ass argument that "ticket sales crashed" because it was available for streaming online now both legally and illegally was pure bullshit and I provided all the figures proving that.

You didn't read that and admit that you were wrong, because you're a sad little boy.

Go cry to your mommy, cunt. Nobody here gives a shit about all of your incorrect opinions and your desire to always be the center of attention.

Over many different movies, your thesis is go woke, go broke. Hunger Games has a female win the games so it is "woke". And none of the Hunger Games actors (unlike Sound of Freedom) have declared their loyalty to Trump so it is "woke". My thesis is that technology is killing ticket sales. Few movies are worth the price of a theater ticket when you can view it on an 8K TV for almost free, no matter which politician endorses it or which country gives tax credits for making it on their soil. But what if you don't have an 8K and you don't know that 30 days from a movie's opening in theaters it will be streamed? But what if you want to hang out at the movies and then go eat a hamburger and fries while discussing it with your dad/mom or friends? Those will be the majority of customers for theater tickets one of these days. Too bad for theater owners and Hollywood, but technology, not "wokeness", will decrease the number of customers buying tickets.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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