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StarGate Iris

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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:59 PM

RAT

Whereabouts is the iris when open?

Anyone?

Anyone at all?

Hello?

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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:48 PM

HARDY

nowhere... its just gone

but... its a cool effect

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Wednesday, December 29, 2004 5:13 AM

CYBERSNARK

It seems to withdraw into that empty space inside the ring. Look closely next time you see the gate deactivated; there's a little gap between the front and the back, with a ridge between them. Presumeably, that ridge is the system that actually creates the wormhole event horizon (and thus marks exactly where it will form). There looks to be about a finger's-width of space on either side of it. Probably just enough to hide the iris.

Bugged me too, at first; I used to assume it was something all gates were equipped with, but that the SGC had just managed to stumble onto.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 9:57 AM

DRACOS

I don't know about that one, I haven't thought about it much. My question is, why doesn't the formation of the worm-hole de-molecularize the iris?

Furthermore, has anyone noticed that the gat doesn't even spin anymore?

Seriously, I love this show but if you think about it its full of holes.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 11:41 AM

RAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Dracos:
My question is, why doesn't the formation of the worm-hole de-molecularize the iris?

They explaind this, but I forget how.

Quote:
Furthermore, has anyone noticed that the gat doesn't even spin anymore?

Are you sure? And if so, whene did it stop!

-Ratboy

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 12:12 PM

GUNRUNNER

"why doesn't the formation of the worm-hole de-molecularize the iris? "

Are you talking about "The Kawoosh" that destroys anyone standing in front of an activating gate?

The Iris is microns away from the event horizon, which is so close nothing (including the "Kawoosh") can form.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 12:32 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 12:32 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

it only spins if its dialing out, if its an incoming wormhole it doesn't

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 12:52 PM

DRACOS

Well, if the "KaWoosh" (ha ha, sounds like a "Dark Tower" word... sorry) is part of the gate's opening and therefore the worm-hole's creation isn't it neccesary and therfore has to happen? As I've always understood it the sideways flushing thing is an outsurging of worm-hole material that spits itself out of the event horizon. It always happens, and would attempt to do so even with the Iris in place. If so, then the worm-hole material should de-materialize the Iris in order to get through. (also, I think that the thuding against the Iris that you get when Jaffa come through is proof enough that things at least try to form in those few particles of space)

As for the rotation of the gate, I think they started to phase it out during season three and stopped alltogether at a later time. They still do it on special occasion type things if memory serves. And to my recollection, earlier on in the show, the gate did turn when people were dialing in from off-world.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 2:49 PM

GUNRUNNER

The KaWoosh doesn’t need to form for a wormhole to form, in "Small Victories" Thor engaged the stargate without a KaWoosh.

I think the KaWoosh is a backflow of excess energy from the creation of a wormhole, and races like the Asguard in the time since the Ancients ascended have developed ways to regulate the energy needed for a wormhole to open so they can minimize the KaWoosh.

The reason the Jaffa 'thud' on the iris is that their particles still exist they just haven’t had time to form in its origional object, the KaWoosh works the same way.

Of course I'm not a Physicist.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 4:25 PM

DRACOS

I'm no Physicist either but even if it is a backflow of excess energy, it still forms without specialized regulation which the folks at the SGC wouldn't have had until they had direct contact with the Asgard and stull don't seem to posess anyway.

Also, I have to think that the thud made by the Jaffa indicates a reformation of particles, given that A: only the parts of you that are within the confines of the wormhole demolecularize (Hence the loss of any parts that are on the other side of the gate at the time of closure or the regression of the energy backwash) explaining why you don't completely de-materialize on any part of you coming into contact with the event horizon, and B: Without having cohesion with other particles, and therefore sizable mass, the individual particles, even if hitting at the same time, would simply disperse in other directions upon coming into contact with the Iris and create no thud.

Furthermore, this discussion is kind of silly.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 4:34 PM

GUNRUNNER

Quote:
Originally posted by Dracos:
Furthermore, this discussion is kind of silly.

Yea it is kinda getting silly. It works that’s all that really matters.

At least you learned the term "The Kawoosh".

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 4:45 PM

RAT

I wonder who gets the job of cleaning the back of the iris?

-Ratboy

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 4:54 PM

MONTANAGIRL

Quote:
Originally posted by Rat:
I wonder who gets the job of cleaning the back of the iris?

-Ratboy

Probably Sgt. Siler

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 7:02 PM

RAT

Does he use the big huge wrench?

-Ratboy

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 7:46 PM

MONTANAGIRL

Only if Martin Wood is with him.

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Saturday, February 5, 2005 10:10 PM

RAT

And only if they have something tiny to work on.

-Ratboy

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 6:38 AM

CYBERSNARK

I keep hoping that someone's gonna get stuck behind the gate (on that length of catwalk) when it activates. There'll be some kinda emergency, Jaffa invasion or something, and they'll spend the whole thing just trapped back there, twiddling their thumbs, unable to get out.

Quote:
Originally posted by Dracos:
I don't know about that one, I haven't thought about it much. My question is, why doesn't the formation of the worm-hole de-molecularize the iris?

I thought that was explained when they rebuilt the iris (after the black hole incident) with that alien metal whose name I can't recall (there was a whole episode about finding it, then a few eps later they had enough to reinforce the iris). Not naquadriah, but around the same time. Carter said that it was stronger than anything she knew of.

A few episodes later we saw Siler and his boys fussing with the iris, and Carter mentioned that they were reinforcing it with (alien metal). She said it'd stand up better to attacks, so I'm assuming the plasma backwash is handled (if it can shrug off a nuke [when Anubis invaded Earth in the S7/8 finale/premiere], it oughtta be able to handle a little wormhole spillage).

I noticed the change; they used to have to leave the iris open until the wormhole stabilized, then they quickly slammed it shut and hoped nothing got through. With the new iris, they can just keep it closed.

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 8:33 AM

RAT

The "alien metal" you refer to, do you mean the one on the indian planet?

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
they used to have to leave the iris open until the wormhole stabilized, then they quickly slammed it shut and hoped nothing got through. With the new iris, they can just keep it closed.

Interesting observation.

-Ratboy

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 10:33 AM

GUNRUNNER

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
I keep hoping that someone's gonna get stuck behind the gate (on that length of catwalk) when it activates. There'll be some kinda emergency, Jaffa invasion or something, and they'll spend the whole thing just trapped back there, twiddling their thumbs, unable to get out.

Yea that would be funny until the guy remembers he can just hop over the gantry and craw out from the side.

Quote:
A few episodes later we saw Siler and his boys fussing with the iris, and Carter mentioned that they were reinforcing it with (alien metal).

Trinium.

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Monday, February 7, 2005 5:00 AM

CYBERSNARK

Quote:
Originally posted by Rat:
The "alien metal" you refer to, do you mean the one on the indian planet?

Yeah, trinium, that's the one.

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Monday, April 11, 2005 11:37 PM

DEVBA

the stargate iris was created by the sgc and is placed inside the ring so that it will form a few nanometers from the event horison this prevents matter from even reforming as well as that the reason the gate dosnt de molecularize is because it is made from s very strong alloy and was later replaced by an even stronger one.

you have to watch the thing more carfully

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Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:47 AM

ASTRAGYNIA

Quote:
Originally posted by Rat:
Whereabouts is the iris when open?

What do you mean, where is it when open? That's the whole point about an iris: it is made out of narrow strips that retract (kinda sideways) into a circular frame. They're used inside theatre follow-spots, among other things - and back when I was in theatre in high school we had a couple of old ones lying around, and they're pretty fun things to play with, I assure you. Even when you open/shut it slowly so you know how it works, it still seems pretty miraculous. Though as soon as they get the slightest bit dented, they become very, very difficult to open or close - and that is one thing Stargate never addressed.

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