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Enterprise Finale

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Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:52 PM

Havent seen it yet but am curious to know what people (people who liked Enterprise) thought of the finale?

Did it end well?

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Sunday, May 15, 2005 11:33 PM

CLEANER

Its 3 episodes and only 2 have screened.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 1:58 AM

CALHOUN

Quote:
Cleaner wrote:
Sunday, May 15, 2005 23:33
Its 3 episodes and only 2 have screened.

It has aired somewhere already. Treknation has it showing an airdate of 13/5 and the episode is already online.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 2:35 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by Calhoun:
Did it end well?

I'm sorry, I thought the end was incredibly lame.

The high point for me was the last few seconds hearing Patrick Stewart's & William Shatner's voices....

You know? I kind of resent this attitude from the producers that the fandom is tired of Star Trek because they didn't watch 'Enterprise', it is like they don't even consider the concept that they came up with lame plot lines, and badly developed characters with dull dialogue.

I'm sorry to be so harsh about the show, believe me, I watched the whole thing; but blaming the fans for the show's demise is worse than providing us with a show that never lived up to the franchise.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 5:00 AM

CYBERSNARK

I thought the two-parter (with Paxton and Terra Prime) was a far better finale.

The actual one just seemed like someone's fanfic. Good fanfic, admittedly, but not really connected to the Enterprise I've been watching.

Though, having that storyline play out as part of a (possibly innacurate) historical recreation did raise some interesting possibilities.

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So, Trip dies non-sequiturishly on his way to Earth, after dealing with an Andorian who had previously faked his own death.

Anybody else thinking there was something fishy about Trip's death (and I ain't talkin' catfish)? Only people who would really be able to confirm it would've been Archer, T'Pol, and Phlox, all of whom are more than capable of keeping secrets. . .

Or maybe I just read too many historical conspiracy theories about faked deaths and hidden agendas.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 5:24 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL

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I'm sorry, I thought the end was incredibly lame.

You know? I kind of resent this attitude from the producers that the fandom is tired of Star Trek because they didn't watch 'Enterprise', it is like they don't even consider the concept that they came up with lame plot lines, and badly developed characters with dull dialogue.

I'm sorry to be so harsh about the show, believe me, I watched the whole thing; but blaming the fans for the show's demise is worse than providing us with a show that never lived up to the franchise.

Ditto!

it was a disservice to Enterprise to make it the second string story of the show. why couldn't they have just written a last episode? "Oooh, we should make it a TNG episode, poeple liked those."

Terra Prime was pretty good. They could have ended it there.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 7:14 AM

MSCKAREN

Can't disagree with previous comments but I DID like the toast, "To the next generation." Nice...

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Monday, May 16, 2005 8:38 AM

GUNRUNNER

The episode was very bad. They didn’t tie up any plot lines, but there we’re no major plotlines left after last season’s finale and they tied up the few they made this season in all those two parters.

I think you could watch all the episodes of Enterprise except this one and you wouldn’t have missed anything. A very pointless episode with a very pointless death.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 9:39 AM

BADGERSHAT

I know many here didn't like Enterprise (personally, I did enjoy it, although even I admit it was getting a bit, shall we say, less than exemplary).

Okay, that being said, the show DID last four years, and as such, should have at least been worthy of a decent sendoff. This was, without a doubt, the single WORST series finale I've ever watched, and I include the infamous "Seinfeld" finale in that group.

It was terrible. Even the cast found it bad (Jolene Blalock dubbed it "appalling"). I watched the final credits roll, with a feeling of "You've gotta be funkin KIDDING me!!"

The "tie-in" between Enterprise and TNG was handled in one of the worst Star Trek fashions ever, plus, they used an episode of TNG to tie in that was in itself pretty weak. Not to mention, the REASON they decided to tie it in (Riker needing to interact with the NX crew to see what decisions they made in various circumstances? Come on, folks...)... awful, just awful.

I would've been more satisfied if they had ended the series with just another run of the mill episode, like "Everybody Loves Raymond" is planning to do.

No, Enterprise was not up to par, but it definitely deserved better than it was given. Even "Angel" at least kept more or less in pace with the established story and characters. This just took a left turn and ran into a wall...

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Monday, May 16, 2005 10:50 AM

CALHOUN

I still havent seen the finale yet, just a little bit at the start. Heh, Riker looks chubby. I'm going to check out the whole show shortly.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 12:54 PM

HELL'S KITTEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Calhoun:
Havent seen it yet but am curious to know what people (people who liked Enterprise) thought of the finale?

Did it end well?

I got this from a completely unrelated mailing list that I'm on, way back around March 7th:

...a feature in the Toronto Star about the end of ENTERPRISE, which features the following exchange between the reporter and series actress Jolene Blalock:
"I mean, we started out with 13 million viewers on the pilot, and we somehow managed to drive 11 million of them away."
There is an awkward silence when the subject of the final episode is broached.
"I don't know where to begin with that one," she finally stammers. "The final episode is ... appalling."

The mailing went on to say
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One rumour has it that the last episode explains away the entirety of the series as a holographic novel experienced by crew members on the old Patrick Stewart Enterprise.
which is fairly accurate for being 2+ months prior to the finale. And, not to leave out my favourite bit, though not a "spoiler," you may not want to read it if you like the show: Select to view spoiler:
...they could have replaced current episodes with a placard reading FUCK YOU FOR WATCHING. REGARDS, THE MGMT.
I love this particular source and I'd be happy to site it, but I'm not sure he'd want to be sited....

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Monday, May 16, 2005 2:45 PM

CALHOUN

OK!

I've just seen the finale and I can see where all the concerns are coming from but for me I didnt mind it so much.

The way I look at it Enterprise ended on the second last episode. This finale to me was a finale to the entire Trek thingy.

Its difficult to admit but I got all choked up at the end.

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Poor Trip!.... poor T'pal

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Monday, May 16, 2005 4:28 PM

THUNDAR

Berman and Bragga totally destoyed the Star Trek franchise. After watching this season with Manny Coto showrunning, you could see what potential the show had. But, in the end, B&B come in and screw it up. Trip was totally out of character in his last scene and that scene itself was so inane. Those two need to do a kiddy show, that's their intelligience level.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 6:36 PM

CALHOUN

I wonder when the last episode was meant to be set? Data died in the last movie but he talks to Troi in this ep.

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Monday, May 16, 2005 8:14 PM

GUNRUNNER

Quote:
Originally posted by Calhoun:
I wonder when the last episode was meant to be set? Data died in the last movie but he talks to Troi in this ep.

It was set in the Season 7 Episode "The Pegasus".

Plot Summery for “The Pegasus”:

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The Pegasus Stardate 47457.1: Admiral Erik Pressman leads the Enterprise on a mission to recover the U.S.S. Pegasus which he and Riker, at that time one of his junior officers, had to abandon years ago. He doesn't tell Picard the whole story, and he demands that Riker be silent about the events on the Pegasus. Actually, Pressman was testing a phase cloaking device, illegal according to the Treaty of Algeron, the crew mutinied, and the few crew members loyal to their captain had to leave the ship. When they discover traces of the ship, Pressman orders the Enterprise to enter a narrow rift leading into the interior where they find the Pegasus, partially submerged in the solid rock. Obviously the phase cloak suddenly failed. Aboard the Pegasus Pressman and Riker are going to salvage the cloaking device, but a Romulan Warbird has sealed the entry to the asteroid, leaving the Enterprise trapped. Riker reveals Pressman's secret, and the phase cloaking is installed on the Enterprise, so that the ship can pass through the solid rock. In open space Picard orders the cloak to be deactivated, because he wants to make Pressman's violation of the treaty public.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:38 AM

BUGBOY

WOW! I forgot about that one! Goes to show you the stellar writing that went into TNG, and was sadly lacking from Enterprise.

I started, like a good trekkie, watching Enterprise, but when they panned up and down the scantily clad torso of Topal (sp?) I wanted to retch. That topped the spandex and high heeled Seven-of-Nine from Voyager, at least that series wasn't so gratuitous about pandering to the hormonally raged teenage male demographic as Enterprise was.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:54 AM

GWEK

I think Blalock's assessment of the finale as "apalling" may be too kind. I only started watching the show seriously this season because it was actually very good, but the finale was just terrible. There's a review on cinescape.com that pretty much says everything I thought about it (except that they think Blalock was marginally too hard on it).

Bugboy, no offense, but Trek has always been, to some degree, about using sex to sell. Anyone remember the Orion slave girls from the original series? How about the uniforms the female crewmembers wore? For their day, Uhura, Chapel and Rand were probably MORE risque than T'Pol.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:03 AM

BUGBOY

Yes, I agree, but you can have sex appeal and then you can have porn. The torso pan in Enterprise was porn, was intended to be porn, and those previous instances were sex appeal. Besides the fact that the Orion dancer was part of the plot, and I saw little that added to the plot by a close examination of T'pal's torso. It wasn't even from Trip's viewpoint so there's a disconnect in the scene if it was to elude to some relationship they may or may not have in the future. It was gratuitous porn.

As I said, even 7-of-9 was sexually appealing, but not to the effect that it was glaringly obvious. You didn't even notice how 7-of-9 could manage in high heels in action shots, but you could count the threads on T'pal's skimpy t-shirt. Why they didn't just go ahead and soak her down in cold water is a mystery to me.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:15 AM

THATWEIRDGIRL

Quote:
Originally posted by Bugboy:
Why they didn't just go ahead and soak her down in cold water is a mystery to me.

So you missed that one?

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:18 AM

GWEK

Again, it's all about context. I don't really see how anyone can all T'Pol "pornographic," but not include the T&A of the original series' Orion slave girls (far more extreme for the era in which it was broadcast).

Personally, I find T'Pol's outfits no more "offensieve" than 7-of-9's: they're just different. T'Pol is more about blatant, Britney Spears-style midriff bearing, whereas 7-of-9 is pretty much a dominatrix. Pick you're poison, but if one's "porn", the other is, too.

Not that I think there's anything particularly wrong with that T&A sells sci fi. Always has (go back and look at the covers of the pulps), always will.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:26 AM

BUGBOY

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So you missed that one?

LMAO! Are you telling me they actually DID do that?

I guess my beef is that sex is no substitute for poor writing.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:47 AM

GUNRUNNER

Quote:
Originally posted by Bugboy:
Why they didn't just go ahead and soak her down in cold water is a mystery to me.

Well there was that whole rubbing with Vaseline thing in a few episodes. That was truly disgusting.

The normal uniforms that occasionally 7 of 9, Troy, T’pol wear look so much better IMHO. I like having a little left to my imagination; I guess that’s why I was more attracted to Hosi than T’pol- plus Hosi has a personality and wasn’t a cardboard cut out of a character that was moved from scene to scene.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:59 AM

BUGBOY

To clarify: I'm referring to a scene in either the pilot or one of the first few episodes where she and Trip were quaranteened in some kind of decontamination chamber for hours in nothing but shorts and t-shirt, and not about her uniforms in general.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:07 AM

CALHOUN

Sheesh.. You have a very broad interpretation of pornography. Next you will be having your mother arrested on molestation charges for kissing you goodnight...

T'Pal is a very sexy lady and I personally didnt mind viewing her scantily clad form.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:54 AM

HELL'S KITTEN

Quote:
Originally posted by Calhoun:
Data died in the last movie but he talks to Troi in this ep.

Wait a mo'... Data died...? Wha-?

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:09 PM

BUGBOY

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Originally posted by Calhoun:
Sheesh.. You have a very broad interpretation of pornography. Next you will be having your mother arrested on molestation charges for kissing you goodnight...

T'Pal is a very sexy lady and I personally didnt mind viewing her scantily clad form.

As someone once said, I don't know what porn is but I know it when I see it.

No, you misunderstand me. I'm not saying she is not attractive. As I already mentioned, sex is no substitute for poor writing.

I've got my wife to look at (amongst other things), so I have no need or desire to admire some actress' body while I am watching prime time television with her, and I didn't mention it but she was slightly offended by it and it did nothing to increase her interest in the series.

Maybe sharing quality entertainment with your significant other is something you have yet to experience. I, however, did not find that scene to be quality entertainment, as you obviously did.

Besides, it's probably been 35+ years since my mother kissed me good-night. It sounds to me like your Freudian slip puts you much closer than I to mother-kissing-you-good-night age.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:37 PM

CALHOUN

My wife and I both have no problem appreciating beautiful women (scantily clad or no).

I am not tryin to start a fight with you but I must say I find your attitudes prudish.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:04 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Bugboy:
It was gratuitous porn. you could count the threads on T'pal's skimpy t-shirt

Okay. I'm missing something. I mean, like, isn't the above quoted stuff, like, good?

I don't think I get it...

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:58 PM

BUGBOY

once again: SEX IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR POOR WRITING!

There is nothing prudish about it. Sex appeals to the lowest common denominator, as just about all television does today. To show T&A when they can't come up with anything intellectually stimulating is shoddy production. I am interested in science fiction for the intellectual stimulation, not the labido stimulation. So I don't watch TV much.

I'm simply explaining why I have not watched Enterprise past the first season when I saw it was Hooters In Space. The allegory would be: you may like Hooters (the restaurant, not the female attributes), I do not due to it being essentially a G-rated stripper joint, so I do not patronize them.

It's not being prudish, but that it simply disgusts me that men seem to be unable to think above the waistline and our market driven society fosters that mentality. I like to look at it as much as the next guy, but please, don't ask me to pay for it.

Enough already! It's obvious that those who disagree with this philosophy are exactly the ones the marketing suits have determined are the target demographic for shows that carry frivolous sexual content that adds nothing to the plotline other than to stimulate the labido. I am not here to convince you otherwise, and you can never convince me that it's worthy of the art of storytelling to include T&A just to boost ratings.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:12 PM

RABIT

Yeah, I quit watching Enterprise after the episode in which Hoshi dropped out of a duct and (conveniently) caught her shirt on *something* (methinks a writer's outstretched hand ), dropping to the ground topless (cuz, ya know, who needs bras in the future, right? ) to open (I think it was) Mayweather's door for him...

Absolutely ridiculous...

Rabit

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:12 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Bugboy:
once again: SEX IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR POOR WRITING!Enough already!

Whoah there, Bugboy! Just tryin' to inject a little levity in here.
I actually thought there was rather a lot of sexual content in Firefly , myself. Then I thought, well, sexuality is a pretty big driving force in the 'Verse, so why not?
But I'll tell ya, those heels on 7 of 9, however nice they mighta looked, always seemed pretty stupid to me. Goin' to a dinner party? Okay. Normal functional wear on a ship? No way.
Spandex? That's another story.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:26 PM

BUGBOY

Yes, chrisisall, Firefly has plenty of sex, but it was part of the story and it wasn't contrived like Enterprise was. That was my point when I said that the scene wasn't even about Trip goggling at her, it was for the audience alone. And not to sound wierd, but as she was a Vulcan, and by definition could not appreciate the gaze of a healthy male human upon her, it struck me as something of a peeping-tom.

I just watched the Firefly pilot over again today, and they did a bit on Inari bathing, but it was tastefully done to show her beauty and didn't just focus on her tits.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:55 PM

CHRISISALL

Okay, Bugboy, point taken.
And probably the the most aluring moment in any film, for me, was Jayne Seymour's back in Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger.
It was just her back!

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:26 PM

TROGMAN

Jolene Blalock is great to look at, but it got to the point where it felt so staged. Almost farcical. How must that have been on the set?

Quote:

T'POL: Captain, I must warn you that this planet has high levels of ThoronicHydroxyCutaneous raidational alloy compounds. Ahem.
ARCHER: We have got to go, the Terelians have -

DIRECTOR: Cut! Jolene, remember this clearly says GRATUITOUS SEXY CAMERA ANGLE in the script, so please arch your back more and stick out your ... um ... well, you know. And I need them ... um ... YOU to face the camera more.
JOLENE BLALOCK: But I am talking through a comlink from the bridge in a bathrobe! What is this, Vulcan casual Fridays? Jeez!
SCOTT BAKULA: Brannon, in my next scene, why exactly am I ripping Hoshi's bathing suit? A reactor leak doesn't seem believeable...

It must have been either terribly funny or just terrible.

And to throw in my 2 cents, the Terra Prime 2-parter was the end for me as well. The last episode was without creative effort, concept-wise.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:07 PM

RICKKER

Well it seems most of us agree with the final episode was not well done at all. The show was just getting its legs under it. Both TNG and DS9 were really getting good in their 3rd and 4th years. As I believe Enterprise was getting better. This year for me had some of the best story lines to date. Bad management and bad writing in the begining. If they had started the series with these stories, I believe they would still be around. As since Voyager, the people behind the cameras were saying instead of developing characters make the aliens stand out. WTF were they thinking. I was really upset when they ran the Ferengi and Borg stories. This was supposed to be the Beginning why not have stories about the begining. Well since people love the borg and Ferengi in TNG universe lets through them in here. The first meeting with the Ferengi Was Picard on the Stargazer. The Borg when Q sent 1701d to the Delta Quadrent. I will not say anything bad about the cast. They did very well with what they were given. Most of which was crap. In the (Hopefully near) future I hope Paramont Hires someone well smart, but also a fan of the franchise and will be true to it.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:20 PM

RANGRBOB

I thought it would have been better if they had focused on long story arcs dealing with some of the familier aliens. Like maybe the Earth-Klingon war. I would have also liked to have seen more episodes dealing with interactions with early federation species. More than just Vulcan, Andorian, and Tellerite. You know actually explore new worlds and seek out new life. I couldn't stand the Earth destroying weapon story arc.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:43 AM

BUGBOY

The shame of it is that there's tons of fiction out there that could be used, I don't know about the later episodes of Enterprise, but the stories I saw were recycled and redundant.

Even William Shatner has written some good stories, although he had help on some of them from a pair of established ST universe writers. Maybe there's some kind of screenwriter's guild rules they have to deal with that dictates that the writing has to be coughed up on contract terms rather than taking advantage of the reams of excellent fiction already in existence.

There are endless historical threads and character plots that could have been explored, but from what I hear they did the endlessly recycled "protect the homeland" scenario.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 2:03 AM

BUGBOY

Well I'll be dipped, I managed to torrent the Terra Prime episodes and correct me if I am wrong, but they are written by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens. If you don't recognize those names, they are IMHO the best ST fiction writers ever, even helped William Shatner write some of his books.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 4:22 AM

CYBERSNARK

Nope, you're not wrong (though I'm more a fan of Peter David, but that's just personal taste). The Reeves-Stevenses came aboard same time Manny Coto did, but everyone was too busy paying attention to him.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:03 AM

BUGBOY

Peter David would definitely be on par and maybe better than the two of them, now that you mention it.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:50 AM

MAUGWAI

SPOILERS if you haven't seen the episode:

The finale was definitely a huge letdown. I agree that the last episode of Enterprise should have been abotu Enterprise, but it also bothered be for another reason. Trip went out like a punk.

Once the Trip/T'Pol relationship stopped being about sexual attraction and actually went somewhere, they were the only relationship on the ship worth caring about. They clearly developed feelings for each other, and that last scene in the Terra Prime saga was perfect. They were finally getting together in a loving way over a shared tragedy. They earned that loving relationship. Then, in the finale, it was totally abandoned. They never got together and Trip sacrificed himself over a plot device that did absolutely nothing to advance the plot except to give Trip a reason to sacrifice himself. Lame as hell.

On another note, you guys are talking a lot about T'Pol's blatant sexuality. Ever notice that in the first two seasons, Trip pretty much lives with his shirt off? Not that I'm complaining, mind you. I spent a good portion of this season demanding the television to show me a shirtless Trip. Still, if it's good for the gander...

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