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But a great shot of the rose windows would also be gorgeous. Ooh, and all the statues of the kings and all that good alchemy stuff.

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Yeah, it's a bit difficult, but I know some Spanish so it's a lot easier than I thought it'd be. I still can't conjugate a verb to save my life, but in context I can easily figure it out. I just want to get a feel for it in the original language.

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Hahaha hopefully. His life would be better for it. I prefer classics as well..as much as I love Hemingway and some modern stuff (Harry Potter!), going way back to Greek mythology and through the Romantic period just gets to me a lot more.

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Ok now you're scaring me... I know some spanish too. A very, very little amount. It was my first language, but sadly having lived here in England I've forgotten a great deal although, I understand a lot of it. I'm just unable to respond in time :(

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Good grief! I'm right there with you. I love Mythology! I'm writing one of my own. I've not read any Harry Potter though, the films kinda put me off, but I like Hemingway. "A Farewell to Arms" is one of my favourites. It's just so unusally worded. What about Marquez? Have you read any of his? One Hundred Years Of Solitude is my all time favourite book, but almost anything he does I love.

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A few repeat votes first:

Notre Dame - exactly. And will never happen. (sigh)

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Whoa, that's weird...yeah, I'm not too good with the speaking part so much. I was in Spain for a bit last year for spring break and I improved a whole lot, but then I went back to school and it all went bye-bye. But..England! I want to go there. I'm stuck in the States..oh joy..

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Hey, I wrote a myth once! Granted, I was in like 6th grade and it was about why the sky was blue and white, and I think I "borrowed" from a Chinese story I read once . What are you writing about?

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I haven't yet read "Farewell to Arms," although I think that's one of my summer projects. I've read bunches of short stories by him though, which I absolutely love..except for the Nick Adams ones. Aside from one or two, I wasn't so much a fan of those.

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I think I read a couple short stories by Marquez last year in class, which I really enjoyed, but I started One Hundred Years of Solitude and couldn't get through it. But I started it when I was really young, so I think it was just too early for me. I've heard he's a bit like Hemingway...is that true?

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Have you read anything by Federico Garcia Lorca? I'm not certain a lot of his stuff has been translated, since poetry's a bit difficult to do, but he's really brilliant. Oh, actually, he wrote "The House of Bernarda Alba" which I think was made into an English movie. That was pretty good too.

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Neverwhere is a 6-part miniseries, available in regions 1 & 2. I bought it without having read the books, but didn't like it.

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I have a no excuse really; I grew up in Paraguay and as I was only three at the time Spanish was my first language, with the native guarani being me second. When we came back to England, I was nine, I spoke little English. However because I kept being teased at school I made a strong effort to learn English very quickly, and somehow somewhere along the way, my Spanish just left me, or I rejected it I don't know... :( It's kinda there but not in a good way.

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Excellent!!! Wow I'm impressed. Have you stopped writing?

I started mine thirteen years ago. My approach is to just keep on adding to it. It's become, in it's own little way, quite dense. It's really a reaction to events I've expericed, that I then transpose onto make believe characters, creatures and landscapes through a muddle of poetry and prose and plain old simple storytelling. As I was quite young when I started it it initially began more as a jilted man's handbook, but it's moved on since then.

However as my influences were and are very much things like Hugo,Marquez, Cervantez and Galliano it's tragic for the most part.

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A farewell to Arms is just such an unusual book. It tells the story by the omission of words. That sounds crazy, but if you read it you'll see what I mean. The language of it is irregular, clipped even... Give it a whirl.

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It may not be an age thing. I read it when I was young and recently I gave it to my best friend to read and he couldn't get through it either, and he's now thirty. No I think it's just maybe one of those things. Magical Realism isn't everyones cup of tea, it may just be that way with you also.

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Crickey. You're just pushing all my buttons aren't you :) Yeah I like Lorca, and Casa de Bernada Alba I read for my English lit exams waaaaay back when I took my "A"Levels and we went to see the play, which then starred a little known actress by the name of 'Helena Bonham-Carter'!... Trouble is though that my mother always told me how much you loose in the translation, and so I've always felt I'm reading a slightly jarred version of his work.

One for when I re-learn Spanish!

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Ooh, Neverwhere - I really, really like that book. I like the BBC series, too, but it - uh, how shall I put this - requires a fair amount of imagination and forgiveness to get around some of the low-budget-ness, terribly bad fight-choreography (to the point where you can't always tell that a fight was going on) and tacky music.

I heard a rumour somewhere that a movie of it was proposed, but the producers wanted to set it in New York City, so Neil Gaiman said no. I mean, New York!?!? Neverwhere without London just wouldn't be Neverwhere. It would be like doing Firefly without the ship.

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I'd Love to see Neil Gaiman/Terry Pratchet's GOOD OMENS: the nice and accurate prophecies of Agnes Nutter, witch. I think It'd make a great movie.

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Neverwhere is a 6-part miniseries http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115288/ . I bought it without having read the books, but didn't like it.

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Glory Road ...snip...
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That's a bit like with me and Korean..I moved to the states when I was 4/5 and learned English then and now I can speak both, but I'm way more proficient with English. I really wish I could be more fluent, especially now that we've moved back to Asialand.

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That's pretty awesome! I've brainwashed some of my cousins and I had a friend randomly IM me from Hong Kong saying, "But what I don't understand is..Why do they all keep trying to speak Chinese?" :P Hopefully, I'll be able to convince some more of my friends once I go back to school in the fall..just in time for Serenity!

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Heh yeah, it was a lot of fun. I still write every now and then and plan to do a whole lot of it during the summer, when I have more time. Currently, I'm working on a couple of projects, one of them being a..well, I don't know how to describe it, really. I guess the premise is a bit like the Alchemist in that it's about just a boy, but in my story he grows up to be the historical Muslim ruler who built most of La Alhambra. It's a mix of history and fiction, with a lot of mythical/fantastic elements on the way. I think I may have to rewrite the entire thing though; I started it around last year and I only have the very beginning of it done, but so far, the writing is just kind of...bad. So yeah, more work on that is desperately needed. It does end quite tragically though. Haha yeah, I think all of this reading has influenced me way too much in the art of literary sadism/masochism.

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Your project sounds really interesting...any chance of you posting it anywhere? I would love to read it. Dense mythology is always the best kind; just look at Tolkein.

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You know, that's a great way of describing Hemingway. I took a Hemingway and Fitzgerald course last spring, and one of the projects was to write short stories in the style of Hemingway and it was hard. I mean I naturally write short, simple, terse sentences and I hate adding phrases like "he said", but doing it Hemingway-style was still very difficult. I'm definitely going to read Farewell to Arms though; I've heard all sorts of good things about it.

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Magical Realism, huh? That actually sounds pretty interesting. I don't know...I guess I'll give it another whirl. Is Chronicle of a death Foretold a novel? Maybe a short one? :P If so, I think I'd better start with that one.

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Helena Bonham-Carter, eh? That's pretty awesome! Yeah, a lot of English interpretations I've read lose a lot in translation, so much so that I dislike reading them, but the movie version of Casa de Bernarda Alba was surprisingly accurate, and not just in a textbook way..it actually gave a feel for the original language. But that could just be Lorca; I find his plays pretty straightforward, if not his poetry.[\quote]
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Haha no worries; I just flew into San Francisco to go college visiting, so I haven't been able to check a computer until now.

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:)

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Oh and one last thing... You're in San Francisco now?

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Lucifer's Hammer - Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle

The Dragonlance Chronicles - Margaret Weis, Tracy Hickman

See ya,
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This is true. All my friends who live in London say the same thing:
"If you have money - London's great! "

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Keep at it. Accumulate enough so that when you come to editing it down you have enough great! stuff to keep. I think it requires being quite ruthless with your ideas - if you feel there's stuff that is "so,so" then ditch it in favour of the stuff that you think is strong. However stick with it. I've been to La Alhambra. It's beautiful. Interestingly enough some of the Seventh Voyage of Sinbad was shot there!

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Thanks :) however Tolkien it aint! You know I'd love to post it up on my site, but I'd feel better if I could secure it as my own on an official level first. You see I'm trying to pitch it to publishers. So I want to be secure in the knowledge that it's had no way of being reached by the outside. I know that sounds a touch 'precious' but a few years back some work I did was taken from me illegally and unfortunately through bad circumstances I wasn't able to claim anything back. Since then I've been extremely careful about things.

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That sound slike an interesting project. I'd actually find it very difficult. I tend to over embelish sometimes :)

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In simple terms; Magical realism is the removal of factual constraints facilitating fantasy to further a story within the confines of reality :) he, he... Yep simple.

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Oh and one last thing... You're in San Francisco now?

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Yeah, I think the ruthless editing is the hardest part for me. That and the fact that I always seem to go in the direction of condescending to the audience. I'm always afraid they just won't "get it". Which is, incidentally, something I was told over and over to avoid while studying Hemingway.

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Yeah, definitely check that out; I only got to see the first Act or so, but it was very well done. And the girl playing- damn, I can't even remember her name; the youngest one- did obsessed nuttiness very well.

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Haha it's all good. I flew back from San Francisco on Saturday. Actually, I hadn't had a chance to ask you- everything okay with you over there in England? We heard about the bombings pretty late in California, and the NYTimes hadn't even had a chance to report it yet. So far, most people I know are okay, but it must be insane over there right now. Hope everything is well.

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Book into film, huh?


The Phantom of the Opera...Make the book, people!!! MAKE THE BOOK!!!

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airylii wrote:

Cool - I'll be the getaway Driver!

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I find that actually works quite well. I did the reverse one time, fleshing out a poem into a short story and I found that I had said everything so much better and much more succintly in the poem. Figures.

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You know, I think that's become the universal mentality; to just live with it. I was living right outside of the city when 9.11 happened and I was in Spain the time of the Madrid bombings (woohoo for good location picking..go me..) and that's basically what everyone was like. Good to hear you're okay though.

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Crickey!!! That's alarming for you! But yeah generally I believe the public are just continuing as normal.... I mean in all reality we have little choice.... You can't run and hide, so you just continue.

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Indeed. I raise a glass in your general direction and salute your application.
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P.S. it's amazing where a simple discussion on a favourite book will get you.

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HA! I was in the second grade when me dad gave me The Hobbit to read. I loved it, and when I got through I told dad, "I really like Bilbo's ring." He just silently nodded and scratched his chin before asking me to follow him. He introduced me to LotR, and I was enthralled. Ack!

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You know I saw that just the other day, it was on TV. I wasn't really paying attention, I think I was writing an email, and it was on in the background, then I heard his voice! I recognised him straight away then turned to the tv to see and yup there he was picking a fight with Brendon Fraser.... Strange huh! It's sort of strange seeing him next to Alicia Sylverstone?!?!

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I was doing this last time I read it. What I've done is to place post - it notes at the beginning and ending to key moments of drama/action/dialogue etc and disregard much exposition about the time or flowery prose about Paris... As we were talking about earlier, I concentrated on Gringoire aswell. He's the best character as he gets around a bit more.
That said it isn't easy at all and lately I've been wondering if I shouldn't take the stance more from the point of view of Esmeralda. This would allow me the chance to make Quasimodo more of a shadowy figure. A kind of mysterious 'Batman' type that is revealed to us through Esmeralda... I'm not sure though.... It's such a tricky choice. On one hand Gringoire has so much comedy around him that it's a great way to follow the story, however I wonder if some of the drama and tragedy would fall flat when it came to it.... What do you think?

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Gringoire doesn't want to have anything to do whatsoever with all of the excitement in Paris around Esmeralda, and that he's willing to save Djali over her, is a real indicator of something to do with the human condition. So I think the tragedy at the end is actually a fitting backdrop, and adds to the fact that he could have done something but didn't.

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Well that all makes sense in my head anyway; I have to organize my thoughts better before actually opening my mouth . So after all of that rambling, the pointiness of it was that I think the drama and tragedy can work very well with Gringoire if done correctly. After all, about fifty percent of the human race is middlemen that only observe and want very little to do with what goes on.

Hey, that was long. Shutting up now...:P

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I have to ask- there's a film version of
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This chapter: "Ceci tuera cela" that you spoke of is the one that's put many people off who I've suggested read the book. At first I was a little put out by it because I wanted to find out what was happening to the characters. However upon further reading I do quite like this chapter. Of course for a film it'd have to be basically removed or put across through clever visuals and editing, but still I think you're right about why Hugo kept it in.

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Yes the thing is though that very significantly Hugo Describes Quasimodo as something like the very gargoyles upon the catherdral - which always struck me as though he were a physical manifestation of the Catherdral itself....Come to life to explore the very city it sits within, and in so doing becomes aware of just how out of place he/it [the catherdral] is within Paris of that time.

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You know something just occured to me which I think would make the film even more profound. You mentioned in your spoiler what Gringoire does in the end, and I think this is very important. As an audience travelling along with Gringoire this last act that he does would seem incredibly heartless and dispassionate. I think it would tear the audience up even more!!! Which is a great idea - he'd come across as having let 'us' down in not intervening to save Esmerelda's life, thus adding to the emotional drama and tragedy!!!

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I actually have heard of this version. In fact, before I ever read the book, I was channel surfing and saw Edward Atterton, which stopped me because I'd remembered him from Alias (and now as Atherton Wing!) and Salma Hayek and something about a noose. So naturally, I was curious but then it went to commercials and I forgot all about it. Only later did I figure out what the movie was..I think it was a TNT TV movie with Richard Harris as Frollo. I've always wanted to see it, but I never saw it again on television. I'll have to hunt it down..

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I like that bit about Quasimodo being a manifestation of the cathedral. Every time I try to analyze this book, I learn something new...that's really interesting. I'm going to be thinking about this forever. But I just hope the gargoyles don't sing and dance in the TNT version...;)

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Right on. That was exactly my mind when I read the part with the boat and Djali...I was like HOW? WHY? HOW? Oww...and then I was so sad. I think possibly the only more soul destroying part is the scene with

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I concur. I'm now going to have to go through two versions of it armed with post-its and Starbucks doubleshots. With Notre-Dame de Paris playing in the background. Hooray!

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Waffles. Yum.

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P.S. If I was running on incoherently in this last post, it wasn't my fault, I swear. I started tae kwon do today and nearly collapsed of heat exhaustion. But it was fun!

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