Best. Villain. Ever. by MikeyMo

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Best. Villain. Ever.

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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:19 AM

One of my all time favorite villians was was Gul Dukat from Star Trek Deep Space Nine. This was a guy who didn't just pop in and out for a few episodes but was a presence throughout the entire series. You got to know him as person (or rather as a Cardasian) and no other villian I can think of whent through so many twists and turns. There was a time when he was almost a good guy. And in spite of the bad things he had done in the past he honestly thought of himself as a great man who had done wonderful things for the people he oppressed. Until he cracked up and when insane. You rarely see a show that takes as much care with its villians as it does with its regular characters.

Others villians: Vader, of cource

Palpitine: The worst villians in the world are the not ones who use raw force but the ones who can use and pervert all the institions around the good guys rendering them helpless.

The lawyers at Wolfram and Hart: Same princple.

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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:06 AM

DECKROID

Villians are better than heroes when it comes to delivering maniacal laughs or deadly double entendres.

My list:

Vader: Before he got all Neo-Lucas-ized. Just plain, good time lovin', evil.

The Shark: Who ever tells you they saw Jaws then went swimming without fear is a liar.

Iago: No, not the stupid bird from Aladdin! THE Iago; from Othello. Dude causes pain, death and destruction in 4 families with simple words and guilability.

Victor von Doom: From the comics. Not the movie.

The Joker: But only from The Killing Joke. When he crippled Barbara Gordon (Batgirl) then sent Commish Gordon a video of nastiness. Great stuff.

Roy Batty: Blade Runner... if his time didn't run out, what kind of badness could he have done?!?

KHAAAN! www.khaaan.com

And of course, Me.

What I dislike about most of the villains done in movies, TV, comics, books, what have you...

Here we have a villain. The villain is powerful. The villain has an army or a bad ass side kick. The villain is easily defeated by some small simple "David vs Goliath" thing.

The Death Star was damn near unstoppable. Until it was found that by shooting one thing, the whole place blows. What the hell?

Hence, when I get to power, I shall live by this:
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

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Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:43 AM

WHEDONFANUK

Jason Voorhees...Can't keep him down....

:: WhedonFanUk ::

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Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:41 PM

CAT1620RD

Spike...then not Spike...then Spike again, I could never keep up with his villanous

(then lack of villianous

,then you think he is up to something but he isn't

) ways. He was defenitly the most entertaining villian/non-villian/who really knows? until he got his soul back that kinda sucked...but then even with his soul you still got the sarcastic humor so no harm done.

If you want a real bad villian then does Lord Voldemort count cause he is pretty bad

(I love the little smiley things~!)

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Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:27 AM

FALLENANGEL

Only one villaion comes to my mind that really torque's my jaw.

Angelus.

After watching an ep from season 2 I think of Buffy, with him in it just made me nervous and jumpy at everything. Ugh, just thinking about the guy and the way he acts and talks just creeps me out.
This guy is charming and caramastic. No clue that this guy is dangerous until he's got you.He stalks you and messes with you head first and then moves in to torture or kill you or both. He knows how to hurt you in so many different ways and he's gonna enjoy every single one.
Gah! I better stop talking bout him before, I get nervous and jumpy again.

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Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:45 AM

GIANTEVILHEAD

One kind of villain we don't see very often, which I consider to be the best kind, are ones that make the protagonist question his or her own beliefs, an adversary who is able to weaken the protagonist’s resolve and will not just through intimidation, coercion, or superiority of force but through an ideology that is seemingly superior to that of the protagonist’s, even if it is somewhat twisted. Those are generally the most dangerous and hard to beat villains. I've seen plenty of villains that had that potential, the Ori from SG1 for example, but unfortunately they often failed to fulfill that potential.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:01 AM

TIENSHAODUH

Like the Operative...don't forget him.

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Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:55 AM

HAZE

Here are my top choices

Sephiroth: What can I say that hasn’t been said a thousand times before? Just a sublimely complex and integrating character. Also One Winged Angel has got to be the coolest theme tune any villain has ever had.

Kefka: The villain of Final Fantasy VI and for some FF fans (but not me) and even greater bad guy than Seph. Its been said he is somewhat like an Asian interpretation of the Joker and I would tend to agree. Cruel unpredictable and funny, and like Sephiroth after him he wanted to destroy the world to become a God. The difference is Kefka pulled if off.

Dracula: ‘nuff said.

The Evil Queen from Ico: A decaying Queen living in a decaying castle in a decaying world. She kept her daughter in a birdcage from birth and intends to steel her body. She demands the sacrifice of the Boy with horns that is born to the village every generation or their crops will die. She then enslaves their souls and turns them into smoke men.

For the love of God if you haven’t already, play Ico!

And of you have, play it again!

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Who do you suppose is in there?

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Monday, November 28, 2005 1:32 AM

DC4BS

"maxgremlin wrote:
Tuesday, November 15, 2005 09:19
One of my all time favorite villians was was Gul Dukat from Star Trek Deep Space Nine."

One of my personal favorites but I never thought of him as a villian.

One of my favorite episodes of all time was the episode with the whole conversation about "The boy who cried wolf".

I think it was Odo talking to Gul (looong time since I saw this...).

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Odo - "The whole point of the story is to never tell a lie."

Gul - "No, I didn't get that at all. What I got is never tell the same lie twice."
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Kind of summed up Guls philosophy in a nutshel. ;)

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Monday, November 28, 2005 7:43 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD

The "boy who cried wolf" scene between Bashir and Garak.

Dukat is a type of character you rarely see on tv or in movies. Dukat is someone who chose the lesser of two evils; he was the lesser of two evils. There have been plenty of tv shows/movies/books where a character is met with a tough moral/ethical dilemma something like giving up the location of a group of rebels so that a bunch of civilians can be saved but what we rarely see is what happens afterwards. Making the decision to choose the lesser of two evils is nothing compared to having to live with it, because that is where the true conflict lies. In DS9 we got to see how Dukat lives with that decision, how he deals with it by lying to himself, thinking that just because what he did was "right" that it was not evil. Even though he was pretty calm and collected through most of the show, he had been insane ever since the occupation when he killed all those Bajorans.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Monday, November 28, 2005 8:58 PM

PSANDUSKY

Wasn't the "same lie twice" bit between Garak and Bashir?

ETA: Uh, yeah. See above.

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Monday, November 28, 2005 9:52 PM

MAXGREMLIN

"One kind of villain we don't see very often, which I consider to be the best kind, are ones that make the protagonist question his or her own beliefs, an adversary who is able to weaken the protagonist’s resolve and will not just through intimidation, coercion, or superiority of force but through an ideology that is seemingly superior to that of the protagonist’s, even if it is somewhat twisted."

I have to agree with you on that point GEH. The best villians have always been the manipulators. The ones who use psychology or intitutions of power to take down a foe. Nothing is more ironic than having the hero being defeated by the very system he or she has sworn to protect.

As to the kind of villian that you were talking about, I think The First from the last season of Buffy fits the bill. During the last season you had a seemingly unstoppable foe, Caleb (played by our own Nathan Fillion) and a legion of demon foes. In terms of Buffy it was mostly been there, done that. But what made it really intersting was The First. Though it had no physical powers, it could assume the shape of any dead person (including undead vampires or those who died and came back to life) and knew everything about you, espicially your weakness's.

It's doctrine was that it was evil itself and therfore eternal. No matter how many battles you win or foes you defeat ill be here. Because you as the slayer don't exist without me. But I go on after your dead and buried. The psych warfare it causes is unrelenting. It causes one person to commit suicide just by talking to her. Buffy's resolve not to mention the morale of her allies is severly shakened. Which makes here eventual triumph all that more sweet because in the end despite all the doubts and fears, she and her friends remain true to their cause and fight on in spite of the odds.

In the end, their determination is so astounding that it suprises even The First as Buffy tells it to buzz off. That was a most satisfying end to a great show. And Joss desearves big kudos for coming up with such an interesting concept for a villian.

PS. I want to make sure I mention The Operative From the BDM. What perfect foil for Mal. He really is the exact opposite of him. And it was just so creepy how much he wants people to feel good about themselves even while he's killing them. The dude was living proof that fanatical belief is dangerous thing (as if we a need movie to tell us that these days).

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:57 PM

GIANTEVILHEAD

I especially like villains, or adversaries not necessarily villains, who actually make the protagonist change his or her beliefs rather than adversaries who simply strengthen the protagonist’s faith in his or her beliefs.

The Ori from SG1 had the potential to be such a villain, to be one of the best villains in Stargate perhaps even all of sci-fi but so far they have failed to fulfill that potential.

Plus I like villains who think differently than other villains, ones who actually have foresight. There are plenty of comic books and sci-fi stories where the super villain tries to take over the world by going back to World War 2 and siding with the Nazis, giving them advanced technology and help them against the Allies. My kind of super villains would actually pick the winning team and align themselves with the Allies or the Soviets to be more specific. Help Stalin build advanced war machines to crush the Axis power and conquer… I mean liberate all of Europe and Asia so that the Soviet Union will emerge from the war as the savior of humanity and sole super power of the world. That’s an insidious and diabolical plot for world domination worthy of a true super villain mastermind.

"I swallowed a bug." -River Tam

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Friday, December 2, 2005 4:42 PM

ORPHEUS

Top 3 villians, eh?

1. The Emperor (Star Wars). Sure, Vader's cooler, but he was the puppet. The Emperor was infinitely more sinister and creepy.

2. Doc Ock (Spidey 2). Best comic villian ever.

3. Hans Gruber (Die Hard). Sophisticated. Smart. Evil. Plus, he did a pretty good American accent in a pinch.
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"Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?"

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Friday, December 2, 2005 7:51 PM

SHINYTALENT

Oh that's so easy.

lets go with

1. The Senior Partners- evil, evil people who just happened to bring into their employ everyone's favorite (well my favoirte) crew member Jayne!! (Ok except he's Hamilton but stil!!...)

2. Yeah 2 is The Mayor- he is so deliciously 50's and yet evil, but also a great father-figure.

3. The Borg- scary and evil and you have to love them.

"I'll be in my bunk"

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Saturday, December 3, 2005 4:21 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by Thanatus:
BTW..."Satan" is actually quite hot, no? Proof...

I’m always surprised at how nice evil looks without its makeup. Take for instance cute adorable Daveigh Chase:

> Daveigh Chase

Whom you may or may not know as the actress who played Samara Morgan, the particularly unnerving villainess in The Ring :

> Samara Morgan

(I tried to post these images as urls, but I'm obviously doing something wrong.)

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

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Sunday, December 4, 2005 4:11 PM

EARLYSUMMER

That clown from "Stephen King's It". Never could walk by a sewer drain without being very cautious as a kid since I saw that movie.

"It's just an object."

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Sunday, December 4, 2005 6:31 PM

SPACESAMURAI

Darth Vader: Star Wars
Kurtz: Apocylapse (sp) Now
The Operative: Serenity
Jackie Boy: Sin City
Hans Gruber: Die Hard

I aim to misbehave
-Mal-

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Sunday, December 4, 2005 6:44 PM

NCBROWNCOAT

The first villian to really scare me was the Wicked Witch from The Wizard of Oz. Every time it was on tv when I was a child I would run screaming from the room when she would dispatch the flying monkeys to get Dorothy.

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Monday, December 5, 2005 12:55 AM

CBY

1. Ash (Alien)
2. Darth Vader (Star Wars IV-VI)
3. Jaws (James Bond)
4. Agent Smith (Matrix)

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Monday, December 5, 2005 6:13 PM

PSOLARIS

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

(3) - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight (from: The Tick)
Always loved this guy, incoherent rambling and explosives go together like peanut butter and chocolate.

"One of these days, :hissssss::... MILKSHAKE.... BOOM!"

-F

Frem...I love you!!

Psolaris

Ten percent of nuthin' is...let me do the math here...nuthin' into nuthin'...carry the nuthin'

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Tuesday, December 6, 2005 6:58 PM

AUNTYCHRIS

Lots of great villians mentioned here: Scorpius, Alien, Dracula, Vader, etc. etc...
But the one I haven't seen mentioned, one of the first (being a Greek God, you know) and best (I might add) is Hades, God of the Underworld, from Hercules (movie and series). Voiced by James Wood, with the perfect blend of evil, self-centeredness, and humor. I only watched for his appearances (yah, the rest of it was pretty sappy).

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Saturday, December 31, 2005 8:14 PM

AIDYN

Quote:
Originally posted by Havraha:

Scorpius wins best villian ever, hands down.

We are in agreement. I also enjoyed Angelus.

And as an obscure mention no one will get, there was a villian in a game known as "Golden Sun" named Alex was absolutely fantastic. He was remeniscient of Sephiroth, but for some reason I found him a little more likeable. And I dont care how evil my villians are, the most important part is that I enjoy them.

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Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:37 PM

GIXXER

Londo Mollari.

Just for the sheer amount of misery, mayhem and all-round carnage he unleashed.

Apart from that, a very likeable guy.

G

(And an honourable (and entirely OT) mention for G'Kar. His transformation from whiney venal git to absolute Big Damn Hero kicks all manner of crap out of the Anny to Vader change.)

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Sunday, January 1, 2006 1:06 AM

RODWY

Blue Hands (Firefly)-Just plain evil
Niska (Firefly)-Killed Mal
Jubal Early (Firefly)-That guy got what coming to him
The man with no name (Serenity)-How could he kill all those people

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Sunday, January 1, 2006 9:45 PM

CHRISPV

Joker. Hands down. Particularly Mark Hamill's rendition of the character. Clowns are scary, folks. That's just a fact. Add in the way he'll kill three people out of five in a room based on something like their tie, and you got something absolutely terrifying. If you doubt me, hunt down the Batman Beyond, Return of the Joker movie. Particularly the uncut edition. By the end of that film, I guarantee you will feel downright guilty for having ever laughed at the Clown Prince of Crime, even when he was funny. He's evil with a grin.

Oh, and Vader is pretty cool too.

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal, Fox!

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Sunday, January 1, 2006 9:56 PM

CRUSTACEANFREAK

The Operative - Serenity: For one, he's not afraid to admit he's a monster and slaughters children with no regret, all so he can create a "perfect world". That's pretty evil if you ask me.

Darth Vader - Star Wars: Before The prequels came along, and even still if you don't think of Hayden Crappyson as Darth Vader, he is the most intimidating villian in movie history. The breathing, the deep voice, the suit...the mask. Definately the best icon of evil.

The Architect - The Matrix: Employing humans as batteries and tricking them into thinking they're in an alternate reality? That takes mad skills.

-Mr. Freak

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Monday, January 2, 2006 6:06 PM

OMELET

Quote:
Originally posted by maxgremlin:
One of my all time favorite villians was was Gul Dukat from Star Trek Deep Space Nine. This was a guy who didn't just pop in and out for a few episodes but was a presence throughout the entire series. You got to know him as person (or rather as a Cardasian) and no other villian I can think of whent through so many twists and turns. There was a time when he was almost a good guy. And in spite of the bad things he had done in the past he honestly thought of himself as a great man who had done wonderful things for the people he oppressed. Until he cracked up and when insane. You rarely see a show that takes as much care with its villians as it does with its regular characters.
The lawyers at Wolfram and Hart: Same princple.

Totally agree with that statement. Dukat didn't believe he was wrong and actually considered himself a hero among the Bajorans which was a completely insane view to anyone who has half a brain. I don't know if anyone else mentioned him before, but Cancer Man from X-files was a pretty sneaky dude. He would pop up here and there and was usually the guy behind everything. That and he was kind of responsible for killing the original Deep Throat made me hate him plus the fact he smoked 24/7.

Jayne: Are you saying River's a witch?
Wash: Yes, Jayne, she's a witch. She's had congress with the Beast.
Jayne: She's in Congress?
Wash: How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious!

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Tuesday, January 3, 2006 6:45 AM

VERASAMUELS

3. Darth Vader

2. Q (is he a villain? Hmmm...>

1. Ares, God of War; as beautifully channelled by Kevin Smith. Best rounded, character driven, complex, sympathetic and damned sexy villain EVER .

Vera

Devout Keeper of Jayne's Lunchbox

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 11:14 PM

SEABHAC

1. Dukat, most layers, & pitch perfect acting.
2. Spike & Dru. Just...neat.
3. Darth Vader. How not.

And on a non-TV/Movie note, Inspector Javert

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Thursday, January 5, 2006 7:08 AM

LANDODAPIMP

No question it is

DARTH VADER

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