Any Inuyasha Fans? by queenofthenorth

Right on Haken! I've just started getting into Naruto too, as it's on right after Inuyasha on YTV. Anyways, what do you think of the Inuyasha/Kikyo/Kagome thing? Do you think Inuyasha should just get over Kikyo already? I sure do.

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"Oh, you'd be surprised."

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:10 AM

HELL'S KITTEN

Well, since you brought it up... nope, not me.

Not yet, that is. Honestly, after many years of actively avoiding it, I just discovered manga. I frenquently lurk at a completely different message board designed for comics writers and artists, and something along the lines of a "creator's favorite manga" thread started there. I wrote down a bunch of their recommendations and bought Fullmetal Alchemist, Dramacon, Cowboy Bebop, and Benkei in New York. There were still a bunch that I couldn't find in the local shops.

I'm still a little iffy on Cowboy Bebop, but I absolutely devoured all four volumes of Fullmetal Alchemist in about two day's time (and then only because I had to go back to the shop to get more); I haven't gotten to the other two titles yet. I'm very surprised that I became so addicted to FMA so quickly. Waiting until January for volume 5 is going to kill me. It's been a long time since I've been so excited over something like this (not counting Serenity, of course).

I don't mean to babble or hijack your thread with non-Inuyasha stuff. My reason for posting is to ask you (anyone) to tell me what Inuyasha is and maybe to suggest other books. (Some of the recommendations I have lack a synopsis, so I'm reluctant to buy a book without first having some idea what it's about.)

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:25 AM

Well, I've never read the comics (having zero access to them myself) but I've seen the whole TV series and the first three movies. Let me tell you, it's great stuff. Anyway, here's a synopsis of it.

In present day Japan, there's a young high school girl named Kagome who lives at a shrine. One day she gets sucked into this well by a demon and pulled into the feudal era of Japan (which I think is about 500 years ago). Here she discovers that she is the reincarnation of a priestess named Kikyo and the bearer of the Shikon jewel, which can increase a demon's power hugely. The demon that pulls her through the well rips the Shikon jewel out of her body and attacks her.
In order to save herself, she releases the seal on a half-demon named Inuyasha, who defeats the demon. Anyway, long story short, the Shikon jewel ends up getting shattered into hundreds of little shards, and Kagome and Inuyasha must track all the shards down. Kagome is the only one who can see the shards and Inuyasha is the only one who has the strength to fight the demons that have them.
Along the way, they meet up with a few other people, a young fox-demon named Shippo, a monk named Miroku who has a powerful wind tunnel in his right hand, and a demon slayer named Sango along with her faithful two-tailed demon cat Kirara. All of them go on a quest for the jewels and also to defeat a demon named Naraku, who has messed with/virtually destroyed all of their lives, and is also after the jewels.

Anyway, that's the basic premise, probably not very well explained. And there's LOTS of other stuff I could tell you about. But trust me when I say it's great stuff.

"Sir, you actually said 'wink, wink'. I don't think that -"
"Oh, you'd be surprised."

"Yes, the new plan will STILL involve rocket skates."
"YAY!"

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:23 PM

SICKDUDE

QOTN, if you like InuYasha, you may want to check out some of the other stuff by Rumiko Takahashi. Off the top of my head, there's: Urusei Yatsura (aka Lum), Ranma 1/2, Meison Ikkoku, Mermaid's Forest/Scar, and a bunch of other shorter stories. Ranma's probably the fluffiest and was heavily hijacked by the corporate suits. Urusei yatsura was her breakthrough, and is a slightly formulaic 'madness and mayhem' comedy about an alien girl's love for an absolute loser, with a cast of hundreds. Meison was her best work up until InuYasha, and is a poignant love story about a college student in love with his landlady. And the Mermaid series is a popular horror series.

Hijacking the thread further, you may also want to check out these:
Basara, a feudal story of rebellion and love set in a post-apocalyptic future.
Short Program, by Mitsuru Adachi. A Fantastic and powerful storyteller that may seem dry at first glance.

If you want other manga ideas, just let me know what you like and stand back. (Impossible to shut up...)

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:31 PM

Aw man, I sooo did not need to know about more stuff I have to buy. LOL. That being said, thanks for the advice. I have heard of some of the other stuff Rumiko's done, though I've gotta say Ranma 1/2 just looks weird. I'm also thinking about checking out an anime called Flames of Recca. Looks interesting. *sigh* Need to win the lottery just to support my anime habit. Nice to see other anime fans out there!

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"Oh, you'd be surprised."

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"YAY!"

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:32 PM

SICKDUDE

Aw, what the heck! Here's some more:
Please Save My Earth. A fairly unique concept that's well told. An alien space-faring race dies out, and some of the last holdouts are stationed on an 'Earth monitoring post' on the moon. After they die, their souls are reincarnated as humans living on Earth. As they grow, they begin to have dreams of their past life...
Eagle. An actual political comic about the US Presidency.
The Five Star Stories, by Mamoru Nagano (translated manga available only through Kinokuniya Bookstores in CA). A personal favorite of mine, basically an epic SF story rivalling Tolkien.

"Don't say 'ka' until you've tried it." Daniel Jackson

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:34 PM

I'm a fan. I haven't been into it as much, what with Firefly on the brain, but I like Inuyasha. A lot. I have the first season on DVD, plus some of the graphic novels (not the animanga, ew). I really like it!

So, what should our interesting, conversation be.

(by the way, I have read the Ranma 1/2 series. I like it, just seems too... formulaic.)

My favorite anime/manga author is Yu Watase, who created Fushigi Yugi, all of the Fushigi Yugi spin-offs, Ayashi no Ceres, Imadoki, and more. She's fantastic!

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:50 PM

Yay! Someone who wants to talk about it! I've got the first and second seasons on DVD. Anyways, I kinda wanted to talk about the Inuyasha/Kikyo/Kagome thing and also why nobody but Inuyasha seems to have more than one parent.

"Sir, you actually said 'wink, wink'. I don't think that -"
"Oh, you'd be surprised."

"Yes, the new plan will STILL involve rocket skates."
"YAY!"

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:04 PM

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Yay! Someone who wants to talk about it! I've got the first and second seasons on DVD. Anyways, I kinda wanted to talk about the Inuyasha/Kikyo/Kagome thing and also why nobody but Inuyasha seems to have more than one parent.

Kagome rocks. Hands down. Way better than Kikyou. I'm sorry, but she steals the souls of innocent dead women. Just to get revenge on Inuyasha (and later Naraku). She's not even that strong, compared to Kagome later. Also, to stay alive she needs to keep eating those souls. I do feel bad for her, living a half-life, but it was her choice.

You're right about the parent thing. Where's Kagome's dad???

~A message from Serenyty~

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:12 PM

SICKDUDE

Hi, Sickdude's wife here. He mentioned this thread and the manga recommendations, so I asked, "Did you mention Rurouni Kenshin? Vagabond? Blade of the Immortal?"

All three are period stories with lots of action, some of which is rated mature here (in the US). From Far Away is a girl-pulled-into-another-world series more suitable for the Fushigi Yugi liking crowd. He wanted to mention Nausicaa, so I figure Phoenix should be, too. Both are classics with unique fantasy elements, but neither really has romance, which seems to be a big draw for many Inu Yasha fans.

My 2 en.

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:24 PM

CUB

I've never liked anime or manga of any kind. In fact, I've always found both existing somewhere between laughable and repulsive.

But my wife and I completely fell in love with Inuyasha. It's absolutely unlike anything I've ever seen. I thought "maybe I'm not giving anime a fair shake," but then I see something like Ghost In The Shell and it looks pretentious and hollow next to Inuyasha.

Anyway, yeah. I couldn't love this series more, and that shocks the heck out of me. I even imported the soundtracks, which are amazing.

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:37 PM

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Originally posted by queenofthenorth:
Yay! Someone who wants to talk about it! I've got the first and second seasons on DVD. Anyways, I kinda wanted to talk about the Inuyasha/Kikyo/Kagome thing and also why nobody but Inuyasha seems to have more than one parent.

Kagome rocks. Hands down. Way better than Kikyou. I'm sorry, but she steals the souls of innocent dead women. Just to get revenge on Inuyasha (and later Naraku). She's not even that strong, compared to Kagome later. Also, to stay alive she needs to keep eating those souls. I do feel bad for her, living a half-life, but it was her choice.

You're right about the parent thing. Where's Kagome's dad???

~A message from Serenyty~

Yeah, I totally agree with you there. Inuyasha should definitely get over Kikyo. I mean, Kagome has done so much more for him than Kikyo ever did. She trusts him and stays by him through everything, while Kikyo was ready to believe the worst of him right away. She's also kind of an evil bitch. And yet I can't dislike her completely.

As for Kagome's dad, that was the first one I started wondering about. The only mention I've ever heard of him is in the 2nd season, when Kagome's mom says that he proposed to her under the Sacred Tree. And obviously she accepted. But where is he now? Did they divorce? Is he dead? And then I realized that none of the other main characters have two parents mentioned either. Shippo, Miroku, and Sango all have a father mentioned, but never a mother. It's really weird . . . .

"Sir, you actually said 'wink, wink'. I don't think that -"
"Oh, you'd be surprised."

"Yes, the new plan will STILL involve rocket skates."
"YAY!"

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:41 PM

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I've never liked anime or manga of any kind. In fact, I've always found both existing somewhere between laughable and repulsive.

But my wife and I completely fell in love with Inuyasha. It's absolutely unlike anything I've ever seen. I thought "maybe I'm not giving anime a fair shake," but then I see something like Ghost In The Shell and it looks pretentious and hollow next to Inuyasha.

Anyway, yeah. I couldn't love this series more, and that shocks the heck out of me. I even imported the soundtracks, which are amazing.

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"If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak."

Glad to see someone else is so impressed with Inuyasha! I've been an on-again, off-again fan of anime for some time, but Inuyasha really rekindled my whole love affair with anime. It's kinda like the Firefly of animes, IMHO. I also really love the music for it, too. It's the first time I've ever really noticed the music of a series, and I was totally impressed with it. Not just the theme songs but the background instrumental stuff too. Glad to know I'm not the only one so blown away by this show.

"Sir, you actually said 'wink, wink'. I don't think that -"
"Oh, you'd be surprised."

"Yes, the new plan will STILL involve rocket skates."
"YAY!"

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:47 PM

ENGINEANGEL

hey travelers!!

great to find some people who like anime here too. i devoured Full Metal Alchemist too. it's my absolute favorite! I love Inuyasha too! (awwwwww shippo!!) witchhunter robin is pretty good too. i love the movie "princess monanoke," "kiki's delivery service," and all of the inuyasha movies!! didn't at all like "spirited away."

well, keep flyin'
EngineAngel

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:02 PM

InuYasha is my favourite animé series, and my favourite series still on television (well, it's new where I am). Any show that can get an actual physical reaction out of me (*coughFireflycough*) has hooked me for life.

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In one of the first-season episodes, InuYasha grabs Kagome mid-argument and pulls her into a hug. I actually sat up and gasped, thinking for a split-second that he was gonna kiss her. (Yeah, I'm a sucker for sappy romance, so sue me.)

Also, there's the seeming reference to the great works of English Literature (I say "seeming" because if anyone's ever actually asked Takahashi-sama if this is intentional, I've never seen it). From Romeo & Juliet (InuYasha/Kikyo), to Hamlet (Sesshoumaru, the exiled prince), to The Canterbury Tales (Miroku would be right at home alongside the Pardonner and the Nun's Priest --and probably the Wife of Bath as well, since he's basically her masculine equivalent), and Paradise Lost (one of these days I'm going to write a comparison of Kikyo and the Miltonic Satan --the similarities [in the dub, at least] are stunning).

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Satan says: Oppression can make a Hell of Heaven (better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven).
Kikyo says: Love can make a Heaven of Hell (better to die with InuYasha than to "live" without him).

And there's the feeling of Buffyness. I found this show right around the time of Buffy's cancellation, and it filled the empty space in my fandom. Nobody who remembers Clem (the friendly "demon-guy" from the last few seasons of Buffy) can dislike Hachi (the Tanuki-demon who's just trying to live his life --if he was human he'd drive a volvo and live in the suburbs). Then there's Myoga, the cowardly-but-loyal flea-demon (yes, a flea-demon

). Plus I get chills every time I hear Sango referred to as "a Slayer."

InuYasha himself is perhaps the most sympathetic-to-me character I've ever encountered, so I can't help but be drawn in. InuYasha and I have a lot in common. Well, not so much the half-demon or broken home thing, but the problem of being nicer than the world wants to let us be. At times, I can act just as cruel and heartless as he does, with about as much sincerity. This makes it particularly enjoyable to watch the cracks form in his bad-boy mask --I can usually tell exactly what he's thinking/feeling, even if he can't. Especially over the long haul. His evolution is at times slow, but it's there.

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The heartless "let the kid drown, just save the jewel!" bastard of the premiere is indeed the same hanyou who takes time out of his training to help an obnoxious little demon kid, completely setting aside his own driving ambition just long enough to save the day. And who later endangers his own life to give a glimmer of hope to a little half-demon girl being used as a pawn.

And yes, Kagome rocks. She gets grabbed by a demon with absolutely no warning, dropped down a dry well full of dessicated bones, climbs out on her own, finds herself lost in a strange place, realizes on her own that she's about 600 years in the past, witnesses a massacre, gets attacked by the same demon and brutally stabbed, sees said demon ripped to shreds, and then nearly get decapitated by a homicidal half-demon --and at no point in any of this does she lose her cool. Normal high school girls freak out when their hair doesn't curl right. There's no way InuYasha could not fall for her.

As the series goes on, I realized that Kagome isn't just cool, but incredibly strong. She's the strongest character in that show, possibly in any show. Not so much physically, but in the "she's torn up plenty, but she'll fly true" sense. Kagome could possibly out-tough Zoe (with Zoe, you can tell she's hurting, Kagome will just not even mention it).

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In the first season, when she realizes that she loves InuYasha, and that he doesn't love her, but then decides that it doesn't matter: she'll follow InuYasha, even if he never notices. She can't do otherwise.
Then, much later, at Mount Hakushin, when the barrier is killing Kikyo, and Kagome's the only one who realizes what's wrong. All she has to do is say nothing, and Kikyo will be gone.

And she saves Kikyo, knowing full well that InuYasha loves her.

(Great, now I'm picturing Kagome and her school friends watching Serenity. The girls all come out chattering about the eye-candy, but Kagome actually gets it.)

The Kikyo issue is maddening, but understandable:

In InuYasha's life (pre-Kagome), he's only been treated with basic compassion (or even tolerance) by two people: his mother, and Kikyo. It's understandable that, when Kikyo starts "loving" him(*), he gets a bit clingy.

(*) I'm not using this as a euphemism; I feel it's a critical distinction for InuYasha. He's never been in love before. No young crush (he was too busy being resentful of the humans and demons who both tormented him), no witnessing friends going through it (no friends). Probably the only understanding he has of "love" comes from fairy tales his mother told him. This is what he has with Kikyo: romantic, epic, hearts and souls singing, both of them sacrificing their lives for each other --Romeo and Juliet, in full tragic glory.

(It's not Kikyo's fault; she's probably in the same boat. She's never had any of those experiences, being a priestess. When InuYasha appears, obviously interested in her, she overreacts, which only serves to lead him on --more Anakin & Padmé than Romeo & Juliet.)

They meet at pre-arranged times, have their short trysts, deliberately sharing secrets, then part ways, her to her village, and him to his self-imposed exile.

With Kagome, it's completely different. They're forced to spend time together --not just short, mutually-orchestrated moments, but days, weeks, even months. There are arguments, and problems, and probably some interesting smells (I don't care what kind of perfume Kagome wears, a few weeks trudging through forest [punctuated by fighting for her life] are gonna take their toll). They get on each others' nerves, and, inevitably, learn some secrets by accident. InuYasha's never spent any amount of time around anyone, and even he can't keep up the badassitude 24/7. It starts to crack, and yet Kagome's expected scorn never materializes. If anything, she almost seems to. . . prefer that weaker side of him.

(And, for demons, weakness equals death.)

But the sticking point is: it's different. For InuYasha, this is critical. What he feels for Kikyo is Love. What he feels for Kagome. . . he can't name it. It can't be Love, because (to InuYasha), "Love" only applies to the flower petals in the air, sweeping background-music feeling he has around Kikyo. The feeling around Kagome is completely different. He's never felt it before, never had it explained to him before --and he can't call it "love" because he knows what that is, and this isn't it.

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This is why I consider it as such a big deal later in the series, when Kagome catches cold and InuYasha makes her some medicine, using a recipe his mom taught him.

His memories of his mother are likely the single most prized possessions he owns --more than Tetsusaiga, more than his body, more than his life! He's not just giving Kagome medecine, he's giving her a part of his own past, a memory of unconditional love. The greatest treasure he has.

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*sigh* Need to win the lottery just to support my anime habit.

I hear you. 'Specially in Canada, where DVD boxed-sets can cost as much as a small car, and that's if you can actually find any animé in stores.

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:41 PM

CALLMEATH

Well, I think Cybersnark said just about everything I wanted to about InuYasha. So I'm just gonna chime in and say that I love the show. I don't like most anime, but InuYasha just pulled me in (kinda like, uh, Firefly) and won't let go.

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:51 PM

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Hi, Sickdude's wife here. He mentioned this thread and the manga recommendations, so I asked, "Did you mention Rurouni Kenshin? Vagabond? Blade of the Immortal?" All three are period stories with lots of action, some of which is rated mature here (in the US). From Far Away is a girl-pulled-into-another-world series more suitable for the Fushigi Yugi liking crowd. He wanted to mention Nausicaa, so I figure Phoenix should be, too. Both are classics with unique fantasy elements, but neither really has romance, which seems to be a big draw for many Inu Yasha fans.

My 2 en.

Ooh, Rurouni Kenshin! Wonderful choice, especially if girls like strong women (Kaoru). It's wonderful, especially if you love historical Japan.

He wanted to mention Nausicaa? Again, wonderful!!! I've started to expand my anime/manga horizons, though I'm pretty much broke now. So... yeah.

by the way, One of the good animes for fantasy/romance fans is Fruits Basket. It's a fun manga about the Zodiac, and a family that's cursed with it. It's great!

~A message from Serenyty~

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:52 PM

WORKEROFEVIL

I really like Inuyasha. I have the whole show run on DVD. I'll actually buy the seasons when they come out, but we can just ignore how I got them for now. As I'm about to go to bed, I'll just put in a quick, insignificant comment right now. Shippo did mention his mother once. He mentioned that he and his mom and dad used to have fun in the hot springs. I guess it's assumed his mother died sometime before the Thunder Brothers killed his dad. Off the top of my head, I can't recall specific mentions of Miroku or Sango's mothers.

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:02 PM

Anime isn't cheap, I'll tell you that much. First season of Inuyasha: $100. That was my sole present on my birthday from my grandparents.

Inuyasha is pretty intellegent. Although it isn't really real, you can pick up some Japanese culture and history. It's very cool.

Kikyou isn't my favorite character. I feel a bit sorry for her, but she's too mopey.

Kagome, on the other hand, is really strong. Anyone see the episode, "Just Kikyou and Kagome in a Cave" (or something like that). It's one of the latter seasons that I don't have on DVD. Anyways, Kagome and Kikyou are trapped inside of a cave, which turns out to be a demon's belly. They need to find a way out of there. Kikyou hasn't had her fill of souls, so she's really weak. Kagome could leave her, run away and get away safely. Plus then Inuyasha would be free. But no. Kagome thinks of people other than her ownself, and thinks of how devastated Inuyasha would be, and she wouldn't be able to live with herself when doing this. So she helps her own enemy in getting free.

I think that's a major show of Kagome's character. She's always thinking of others, and is very sweet.

~A message from Serenyty~

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:07 PM

Cybersnark - you have some really good points about the whole Inuyasha/Kikyo thing. I had never really thought of it that way before. And Kagome is really strong, but she also gets very upset when Inuyasha continually picks Kikyo over her. Which is why I get so mad at Inuyasha sometimes - I'm like, "Can't you see you're hurting Kagome?"

But you can tell that Inuyasha really does love Kagome. He gets jealous every time Koga comes around, and when

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Kagome is almost killed by the Band of Seven and he thinks she's dead, he gets really devastated. Then she's all right, and he cries. It's so sweet.

Workerofevil - I forgot that Shippo makes mention of his mother once! Now that you've said that, I can remember exactly what episode that's in. But yeah, that's about the only reference ever made to one of the elusive second parents. I also have all the Inuyasha eps, which we will not speak of. Like I was really gonna wait till they all came out over here.

Serenyty - Yup, anime is very expensive. $100 a crack for both seasons of Inuyasha, but it's worth it! I went to HMV the other day and was gonna pick up some other anime, but it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy too expensive. I remember that ep with Kikyo and Kagome in the cave. I always think she should leave her there. LOL. Which shows you what kind of a person I am. But then I always admire Kagome because she doesn't.

"Sir, you actually said 'wink, wink'. I don't think that -"
"Oh, you'd be surprised."

"Yes, the new plan will STILL involve rocket skates."
"YAY!"

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Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:55 PM

BLACKLILY

Inuyasha is as deep and dark and mystical as any fan of sci-fi/fantasy could hope for. The characters actually have depth and go through various difficulties to (usually) come out as stronger and wiser individuals.It's kind of like life in a nutshell, sansthe otherworldly elements, tragic heroism and the demon-bashing action

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The only character I can't stand is Kikyo. I've always felt that Kagome is just so much more superior in every existing aspect- a strong independant female character who doesn't always sit around wailing for her man to come save her.
I look at Kikyo and cannot even begin to fathom what Inuyasha sees in her.

But then again, I guess the love triangle is one of the things that keeps me so interested in the show.

By the way Cybersnark. How's that Roswell-Conspiracies list coming along?

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:37 AM

WORKEROFEVIL

I think Inuyasha doesn't realize how much he's hurting Kagome, at first. He later realizes what he's doing but he just can't make the final break from Kikyo. (Remember his line: "Can't I have both?") Kikyo was such an important part of his past. She was his first love. He was willing to give up his dreams for her. It's really hard to just walk away from that. Of course, he also can't choose Kikyo over Kagome. He's saved Kagome at the cost of Kikyo a few times knowing full well how that would hurt Kikyo. I of course agree with everyone that he should move on from Kikyo and be with Kagome, but I can understand why it's so hard for him to do. Frankly, I don't think he'll ever actually work through his feelings and make that final decision without spending a great deal of thought on it. Inuyasha is not the type to do that when there's something physical he could be doing (such as hunting Naraku). The love triangle will never be solved until Naraku is finally gone. We have to wait until that happens before we can get our resolution.

Sesshomaru kicks some serious *ss!

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:37 AM

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But you can tell that Inuyasha really does love Kagome. He gets jealous every time Koga comes around,

I think there's more to the InuYasha/Koga feud than simple jealousy. There's envy. Koga is everything InuYasha wants to be --a full-blooded demon, ruler of his pack, powerful, cunning, and charismatic. This is why InuYasha was after the Shikon jewel in the first place.

I think by now (I'm in the Band of Seven arc right now), InuYasha knows he's in no danger of losing Kagome to wolf-boy. Trouble is he can't really understand why (well, he knows why, but can't admit it to himself or he'd have to acknowledge that his goal of becoming a full demon is a waste of effort, and he can't accept that); in demon society (and, let's face it, humans too), might makes right. Koga's got everything InuYasha doesn't have, and Kagome's still not falling for him.

I think the pivotal moment for these two is when InuYasha is in his human form, and reveals himself to Koga. Bear in mind that his human side is his greatest shame --every weakness he hates made manifest. Normally, he spent the night of the new moon hiding. Safe until dawn returns his demon strength. But he's not scared anymore. Not ashamed of his nature --he no longer feels the need to prove his dominance over Koga.

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Kagome is almost killed by the Band of Seven and he thinks she's dead, he gets really devastated. Then she's all right, and he cries. It's so sweet.

And don't forget the murderous rage he went on in the second movie. That scene where he's perched outside of Kaguya's castle, eyes burning, Tetsusaiga glinting hungrily in the moonlight. . .

The entire universe wouldn't be big enough to hide from him.

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:49 AM

Yeah, I'd have to agree with you that Inuyasha will probably never get over Kikyo at least until Naraku is gone. Which is annoying.

Sesshomaru does indeed kick *ss. But his character puzzles me. He's supposed to be like this bad*ss human-hating demon, yet he saved Rin's life and continues to allow Rin to constantly hang around with him. Not only that, but he keeps protecting Rin even though it causes him to lose face in front of other demons. And even though he claims he wants to kill Inuyasha, he doesn't take any opportunity to do so. Anyone have thoughts on that?

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:10 AM

As always, Cybersnark, you have some excellent points. I've noticed that Inuyasha is getting less jealous of Koga as time goes by. He doesn't get nearly as upset at Koga's appearances as he used to the first few times. I think he's also envious of the fact that Koga can so publicly (and loudly) declare his feelings for Kagome while Inuyasha himself can barely admit to liking her without blushing. However, I don't think Koga's ever gonna stop trying. At least, not until Kagome fully shoots him down.

Yeah, I remember that scene in the second movie. It was incredible. Of course, the whole second movie is great.

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And the fact that Inuyasha wears the locket that Kagome gives him even after declaring he didn't want it is very telling.

I'd have to say the second movie is my favorite of the movies so far. Although I haven't seen the fourth one yet.

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:01 AM

I'm holding off on watching the third one until YTV's weekly airings get past the Band of Seven arc (I'm enjoying it, and don't want to break the inertia). Plus I wanna see it where it "fits" into continuity.

Sesshoumaru is rapidly becoming my favourite demon. Despite his propaganda, I never pegged him as "human-hating" so much as considering humans to be about as important as ants. He doesn't so much attack out of wrath, but swats them aside as he passes without breaking stride. Only time he's ever gone out of his way was when he had a new weapon (or arm) that he wanted to test out.

Remember how he & Rin first met. Rin showed him compassion when he was injured. As a demon, this would have been totally alien to him. Then, when he found her corpse, he simply repaid the debt. Also, he was wondering what Tenseiga's true powers were --he knew that it could heal wounds, but he didn't know if it could go far enough to raise the dead.

Plus, he admits to himself that he's not sure why he did it. It could be that Tenseiga's exerting an influence on him (which seems to be what he thinks), or it could be something subconscious bubbling to the surface.

The Rin/Sesshoumaru relationship has evolved. At first, it was just Sesshy repaying a debt, then it turned into a kind of master/pet relationship, with Rin as a stray pup that followed him around (an ironic reversal; the Dog-demon has a pet human).

Also, it's worth noting that Sesshoumaru represents the Feudal State, he's a product of his time. In fact, by his own standards, he's remarkably reasonable. As much as he hates InuYasha, he needs an excuse before attacking --Tetsusaiga. As the elder, legitimate son (even disregarding being a Prince), his brother should obey him. It's basic filial responsibility. Instead, InuYasha hacks off his arm. In Feudal terms, a peasant saying "no" to a Prince is usually grounds for summary execution. Lopping bodyparts off said Prince is probably much worse.

See, Sesshoumaru doesn't just want InuYasha dead. He wants him defeated. Broken. He wants the half-breed to come crawling to him, begging forgiveness for his sin (at which point, Sesshy will be as compassionate as demon Law allows, and will grant a swift and merciful death).

This is why Sesshoumaru saves InuYasha the first time he goes berserker. Sesshoumaru needs InuYasha to remain sane. If InuYasha dies, Sesshoumaru won't get his victory. As cool as he plays it, Sesshy's got as many "issues" as InuYasha himself.

Sesshoumaru is also a Prince without a kingdom (thanks to the half-breed getting their father killed --yet another reason to hate InuYasha). Jaken follows him out of fear and awe, both of which (Sesshoumaru thinks) are to be expected from one's inferiors. Rin, OTOH, follows out of love and trust. Brave as she is, she needs Sesshoumaru to protect her, and that's also a new experience for him.

Perhaps this was part of Father's macchiavellian plan (spelled out by his choice of which swords to bequeath: Sesshoumaru gets the "safety razor," while InuYasha gets the superweapon).

Sesshoumaru thinks that Nobility (in terms of Kingly Virtue) flows from strength of arms (which is why he wants InuYasha's sword), while Inu no Taisho obviously believed differently (as Myoga tells us, he died defending humans). Despite himself, Sesshoumaru is slowly becoming the Prince he thought he was.

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:36 AM

I can see you have lots of thoughts on this.

I guess Sesshy (love that) never actually says he hates humans. I think it's Inuyasha that says so, numerous times. But nothing is ever really shown to the contrary.

He is getting more and more fond of Rin, you can see it happening. Must be that unconditional child's love. Or maybe dog demons really do have a weakness for humans, as they speculate in the first movie. It's also indicated (by Jinenji, I think) that Rin is very similiar to Kagome. Interesting parallels in the brothers, perhaps?

I also noticed that in spite of the fact Sesshy really doesn't like Inuyasha, he expects him to be there. When Sesshy is attacked by those cat-like demons fifty years ago, he expected Inuyasha to fight by his side. However, at this point, Inuyasha was sealed to a tree and unable to help him. Could this have been the beginning of an even deeper resentment because Inuyasha wasn't there when Sessy needed him, due to his half-demon failings? (Or what Sesshy sees as Inuyasha's failings?)

You'll really enjoy the 3rd movie when you watch it, Cybersnark. It gives tons more insight into the Sesshy/Inuyasha dynamic and their father's past.

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:13 PM

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I also noticed that in spite of the fact Sesshy really doesn't like Inuyasha, he expects him to be there. When Sesshy is attacked by those cat-like demons fifty years ago, he expected Inuyasha to fight by his side. However, at this point, Inuyasha was sealed to a tree and unable to help him. Could this have been the beginning of an even deeper resentment because Inuyasha wasn't there when Sessy needed him, due to his half-demon failings? (Or what Sesshy sees as Inuyasha's failings?)

Way I see it, InuYasha's got three strikes against him already:

1. It was defending InuYasha that got their father killed.
2. InuYasha lives as a symbol of their father's affair with a mortal.
3. InuYasha inherited the Tetsusaiga, while all Sesshoumaru got was this dumb-ass stick sounds like its raini-- uh, I mean the Tenseiga.

Plus, Sesshoumaru probably has an inferiority complex: he's smart enough to have figured out the signs that say Father loved InuYasha better.

I heard someone once wondering why Sesshoumaru didn't kill InuYasha while he was pinned to the tree, but then it dawned on me: Sesshoumaru would've thought that InuYasha knew where Tetsusaiga was. If he'd died there, Sesshoumaru would never have found it.

(If anything, he should be grateful to Kagome for waking InuYasha up.)

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Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:47 PM

Ah, Sesshomaru.. Fluffy...

I absolutely adore Rin. She's so cute!!! (just had to say it).

I'm sorry, but in every episode with Kikyou, she's always so whiny. Dude, it's been 50 years, you're DEAD, move on. (just had to get that out)

Sesshomaru's relationship with Inuyasha is yet another thread that keeps on throughout the series. At first Sesshy's trying to kill Inuyasha, and yet in one of the latter ones (I can't remember which) they work, however forced, side-by-side.

And Kouga, don't get me started on him. He just... bothers me. Especially with the whole Ayame dealio. You'd think you would remember something like that, and when he finally does he still wants Kagome. jeez...

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Friday, December 16, 2005 5:59 AM

Aww, poor Sesshomaru, Daddy doesn't love him.

Or at least, not as much as he loved Inuyasha.

I agree with most of your points, but TECHNICALLY, Inuyasha's father didn't die because he was protecting him. Myoga says in the 2nd season that Inuyasha's father ultimately dies of the wound he received while fighting Ryukotsei (sp?). While he may have gone on to protect Inuyasha after that, that wasn't what he died from. Had he not been previously wounded, he probably would have dealt out his normal *ss-kicking and moved on. Course, maybe Sesshy doesn't know that. Myoga only knows it because he was (more or less

) with Inuyasha's father at the time.

I can't stand Kikyo either. Of course, it's difficult to completely hate her because every once in a while she'll do something nice, like treat wounded soldiers or take care of little kids. But I agree she should definitely get over herself.

Rin is very cute and I adore Koga. I don't know why exactly, I just think he's great. As for Ayame, he probably just said that to her to make her feel better, without really meaning it. I don't think he had any deep or everlasting feelings for her that would make him remember. We all know Koga's pretty thoughtless. Had he not met Kagome, though, he probably would have gone through with it. But I do believe he's sincerely in love with Kagome, though everybody but him seems to realize it's completely one-sided. Even Ayame notices that right away. I always feel bad for Koga.

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Friday, December 16, 2005 7:13 AM

Well, Koga's been a bad guy from day one --lest we forget, he's the one responsible for killing Rin.

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Myoga only knows it because he was (more or less ) with Inuyasha's father at the time.

Heh. I love Myoga.

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*Myoga puffs up proudly*
INUYASHA: Yeah. If there was any real danger, he'd be long gone by now.
*Myoga deflates*

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Friday, December 16, 2005 7:46 AM

CUB

I have to say, I was shocked the first time I saw Inuyasha fans online and everyone hated Kikiyo! It just seemed kind of random.

I mean, sure she's a big ol' wet blanket, but so was Angel in Buffy and no one hated him. Kikiyo's a tragic figure, someone to feel sorry for. It's not her fault she loved Inuyasha (and vice versa). And it's not her fault she was killed or that she was brought back to life.

I don't know, I just think it's weird when every time I see her mentioned online it's all "Die Kikiyo, die!!!," usually with some colorful language thrown in. I've never seen anyone - anyone - who doesn't hate her with a burning fury aside from myself and my wife. We don't like her any more or any less than the other characters.

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Friday, December 16, 2005 12:54 PM

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I have to say, I was shocked the first time I saw Inuyasha fans online and everyone hated Kikiyo! It just seemed kind of random.

I mean, sure she's a big ol' wet blanket, but so was Angel in Buffy and no one hated him. Kikiyo's a tragic figure, someone to feel sorry for. It's not her fault she loved Inuyasha (and vice versa). And it's not her fault she was killed or that she was brought back to life.

I don't know, I just think it's weird when every time I see her mentioned online it's all "Die Kikiyo, die!!!," usually with some colorful language thrown in. I've never seen anyone - anyone - who doesn't hate her with a burning fury aside from myself and my wife. We don't like her any more or any less than the other characters.

See, if she was just a big ol' wet blanket, I wouldn't really have a problem with her, and I probably would feel sorry for her. But she does some really questionable things to Kagome, and essentially treats her like complete crap, whereas Kagome has never been anything but nice to her. That IS her fault, whatever kind of other spin you wanna put on it. Plus she keeps helping the bad guys by giving them whatever they need to complete their nefarious schemes. (hehe, I always wanted to use nefarious in a sentence.) But I don't hate her with a burning passion. As I said above, it's kinda difficult to hate her when she also does so many nice things. So I swing back and forth on that one.

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Friday, December 16, 2005 1:01 PM

I love Myoga too. He's so great. I still laugh every time I think of one of the second season episodes. Inuyasha's fighting Sesshomaru, and the others are standing more or less back. Kagome goes to say something to Myoga, who WAS on her shoulder, and realizes he isn't there. Then it zooms in on Myoga on Miroku's shoulder, and Miroku's standing far away from Kagome under a tree. And everybody's like, "Kagome, it's not safe there!" And she runs over to them. Good old Myoga, the danger beacon.

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Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:20 AM

INUYASHABEBE4YA

Yes I to am an Inuyasha fan I watched the show a long time ago but I recently got back into it.
I do think that Inuyasha should forget about Kikyo I don't like her anyway but he should move on to Kagome she has been there for him ever since they first met.
But he is way to stubbern to realize it I know he has a soft side to him he just doesn't want to show it in front of everybody.
I have seen all three movies I have the third one but I want to see the forth one sometime soon whenever that will be.
I just wish that Inuyasha could be more open to Kagome if only he knew how much she cared about him then I think things would really be different between them.

GO INUYAHSA AND KAGOME TOGETHER FOREVER!!!!!!!!

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Monday, January 2, 2006 1:17 PM

Totally agree with you. Here's hoping that Inuyasha will finally get a clue in movie #4.

Oh, and I don't know if you're into games, but there's a great Inuyasha RPG on Playstation 2. I think it's "Secret of the Cursed Mask" or something. Anyways, it's got all the characters from the TV show, plus some new ones, and it's a lot of fun. Too short, but then they never could have made it long enough for me.

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 5:59 PM

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I have to say, I was shocked the first time I saw Inuyasha fans online and everyone hated Kikiyo! It just seemed kind of random.

I mean, sure she's a big ol' wet blanket, but so was Angel in Buffy and no one hated him. Kikiyo's a tragic figure, someone to feel sorry for. It's not her fault she loved Inuyasha (and vice versa). And it's not her fault she was killed or that she was brought back to life.

I don't know, I just think it's weird when every time I see her mentioned online it's all "Die Kikiyo, die!!!," usually with some colorful language thrown in. I've never seen anyone - anyone - who doesn't hate her with a burning fury aside from myself and my wife. We don't like her any more or any less than the other characters.

See, if she was just a big ol' wet blanket, I wouldn't really have a problem with her, and I probably would feel sorry for her. But she does some really questionable things to Kagome, and essentially treats her like complete crap, whereas Kagome has never been anything but nice to her. That IS her fault, whatever kind of other spin you wanna put on it. Plus she keeps helping the bad guys by giving them whatever they need to complete their nefarious schemes. (hehe, I always wanted to use nefarious in a sentence.) But I don't hate her with a burning passion. As I said above, it's kinda difficult to hate her when she also does so many nice things. So I swing back and forth on that one.

I sometimes feel very sorry for Kikyou. Especially when she's trying to fit in. But my problem isn't that she's a tragic figure. My problem is that she uses the souls of innocent girls to keep living, even though she has died. That's it. She could be the kindest person in the world, but she steals those souls. She's a monster.

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Thursday, January 5, 2006 7:24 AM

Yup, I agree. And any scene between Miroku and Sango just cracks me up. Especially if you watch the original Japanese versions - they show some stuff that the English ones don't.

Very interesting.

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