Heroes 2.0 [SPOILERS] by deepgirl187

Oh, poopy. Why do they have to go and kill off Noah?

Cool episode tonight. Who was that couple kissing in the background, I wonder? I'm thinking maybe Nikki, as it was a blond, and the corporation did ask her to take care of something.

And it looks like one of my predictions came true, and that Peter is going to develop Nikki's power. Which sucks beyond belief. God knows what he'll do...

This is just a theory, but is it possible that Claire is descended from Takezo Kensei (think that's how you spell it)? They do have identical powers after all.

More questions, less answers. Looks to be a good season.

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Monday, October 8, 2007 4:53 PM

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 1:58 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Oh, poopy. Why do they have to go and kill off Noah?

Don't write Noah off yet. We have seen that not all of Isaac's paintings come true. It could be that Noah knowing about the painting he will be able to avoid the events that lead up to his death.

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Cool episode tonight. Who was that couple kissing in the background, I wonder? I'm thinking maybe Nikki, as it was a blond, and the corporation did ask her to take care of something.

Wish I could have seen the pic better. It could have been Nikki, but it might have been Claire too. Were they kissing or was the shadowy male figure trying to keep the blonde from seeing Noah dead? Hard to tell from the pic. Your theory that it is Nikki fulfilling a task for the Company as payment for her being "cured" of her powers is a likely one.

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
And it looks like one of my predictions came true, and that Peter is going to develop Nikki's power. Which sucks beyond belief. God knows what he'll do...

Still not convinced that Peter is going to develop a dual personality like Nikki. It is my firm belief that the Nikki/Jessica condition was caused by childhood trauma and not as some sort of side effect of Nikki's power. There is no indication that Peter will develop some split identity. The impression I got was that Peter was getting a rush off of the use of his power and that he liked the feeling of being in control. You know the old saying about power corrupting, it could be that is the dark road the writers are going to explore with Peter.

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
This is just a theory, but is it possible that Claire is descended from Takezo Kensei (think that's how you spell it)? They do have identical powers after all.

You know, that was the first thing I thought of last week when we see Hiro pull the first arrow out of Kensei and he heals before our eyes. I wondered if there is some sort of link between Kensei and Claire. I haven't completely dismissed the possibility yet, but I don't think it very likely. Claire's new boyfriend can fly just like Nathan Petrelli, but does that mean they are related? I would find that far too hard to believe since Claire is Nathan's daughter. What are the odds Nathan has another child out there with powers and that his two illegitimate children would bump into each other.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 4:04 AM

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Still not convinced that Peter is going to develop a dual personality like Nikki. It is my firm belief that the Nikki/Jessica condition was caused by childhood trauma and not as some sort of side effect of Nikki's power. There is no indication that Peter will develop some split identity.

I see your point here. But if you noticed, Peter developed the same type of tattoo that Nikki/Jessica has. His power might not take the form of DID, but it is possible that he will develop a darker (and possibly violent) side to his personality as a direct result of his ability. On the other hand, seeing Peter with a darker edge (but not insane; too many of those in the show already) would add an interesting dimension to his character.

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What are the odds Nathan has another child out there with powers and that his two illegitimate children would bump into each other.

Plus, eww (if they are indeed related).

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 4:11 AM

Considering that Claire's boyfriend had those marks on his neck and he remembers his attacker as someone who sports horned rim glasses he could be the one to kill Noah. It stands to reason that either he wants revenge or is another "hero" who has fallen under the influence of The Company. I thought from the first that he seemed a little shady, it is entirely possible that he is some kind of plant looking for people with abilities.

It sucks that DL had to go. He was my favorite character out of that family. Funny how Micah is now under the care of another ex-Trekker.

I've got the feeling that Sylar is still under the influence of an illusion and that he did not actually kill Candace. She kept making references to the people she worked for being interested in him. If anyone were really interested in keeping him alive why would he be moved to a shack in the middle of nowhere? It is more likely that he would be taken to one of their state of the art facilities. Perhaps somewhere in the building Mohinder is now working...wouldn't that be appropriate? I also have a hard time believing her explanation as to how she dragged him away from Kirby plaza. After all Nikki had knocked her out just before Sylar was stabbed.

I keep getting the feeling that Kensai is the man going after the older heroes. Hiro's father made mention of them paying for something they did in the past. At some point they must have royally screwed him over, pushing him down a darker path. I also think whoever this guy turns out to be he isn't the same as Molly's Nightmare Man.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 4:32 AM

Peter is certainly moving towards a darker side. I think this is an attempt to curtail his powers. As long as he is using them to jack armored trucks then he can’t use them to take over the world or thwart the efforts of real villains. Whether he has developed a psychological Nikkiness – I don’t know. I actually think that if he goes bad it will be more of a Sylar-Power-corrupts factor then a Nikki-I’m-Nuts factor. Although I have to admit that having Peter absorb Nikki’s psychosis along with her power would not only be more interesting but would add dimension to the whole absorbing powers stuff. However, I think that if that were the case, then we would have seen evidence of it so far. A tattoo of the Godsend character doesn’t do much for me, because that character shows on everything for no particular reason other than to be there.

Maya took her first real step towards the inevitable. She used her powers for evil. Sure, she probably expected that her brother would fix the problem, but when her brother isn’t around, then what? Maya is completely emotionally dependent on her brother. Without him she is a VX canister waiting to go off.

Is Claire related to Kensai? It’s entirely possible that many heroes are related to one another. Except for a few who have the ability to manifest powers, most people gain them the old-fashioned way by having parents with them. This sort of suggests that, except for a Mule here and there, there are one or more lineages of heroes. In fact, this is has sort of been an underlying theme.

Also, powers are not distributed infinitely (everyone has different powers), but certain types of powers seem to be more common.

Concerning the issue of geek casting, there is really only Keonig left from the original series, unless anyone thinks they will get Shatner or Nimoy on the show, but I doubt it. Or maybe they will – I don’t know. This show could be a lot bigger then I think it is. I don’t get out much.

I have to admit that I’m happy DL bit it. They really should have killed off Parkman and probably one other. There are just too many characters. And what power does Uhura have? The ability to communicate across sub-space channels?

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 4:57 AM

One thing I always wanted them to explore was the consequences of Peter absorbing powers. I seem to remember early in Season One where Mohinder mentioned that Peter's ability worked like a sponge; if he absorbed too many abilities, he could become unstable. Is that still the case? It would be interesting to see what kind of form that instability took.

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 11:13 AM

What happened? He see your face?

Looks like you guys hit the heavy topics.

I am in the following camps:
-Kensei prolly is related to the Claire being that most of the story seems to fate based.
-Sylar is still under an illusion being that he didn’t absorb any powers. But, they totally flip the script on ya all the time. So………
-On the fence about whether “high school flying boy” is part of the Co. or running from it. I did see a TV guide interview with Noah where he says he would be flying in a future ep. But not under his own power. So, I’m guessing it's this guy.
-No clue on whether Peter absorbed Nikki’s psychosis, but it would make for interesting story. ..and possibly make some regret letting Peter live (i.e..Nathan) at the end of last season.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
They really should have killed off Parkman and probably one other. There are just too many characters.

Nah, Parkman (whatever his real name is) is too good of an actor. Hopefully his role will become more crucial as time goes on.

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And what power does Uhura have? The ability to communicate across sub-space channels?

I'm thinkin' we'll see a voodoo doll or communication with the dead. …which would be perfect for Micah to talk to his dad.

If this was covered in an earlier post, I’m sorry… But, Do you think Nathan and his Mom think Peter is dead or are they doing a good job of covering it up for his own safety?

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Tuesday, October 9, 2007 1:13 PM

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If this was covered in an earlier post, I’m sorry… But, Do you think Nathan and his Mom think Peter is dead or are they doing a good job of covering it up for his own safety?

I don’t see any reason to think that that is the case. Mama Patrelli is never easy to read, because she’s a member of the syndicate. She might turn up next week having known everything. Nathan is easier to read and I think he’s grief is genuine.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 3:36 PM

Just saw the entire show for the first time for free on Netflix over the past few days. Got a lot to say/think about, but I just wanted to get this in:

I don't think the Haitian had anything to do with Peter's amnesia. As we saw with Claude Rains, Peter's absorption ability makes it so he's "in" on whatever power is being used against him. He was the only person who could see Claude, and he wasn't frozen in time/space when Future-Hiro stopped time on the subway. If the Haitian ever tried to erase his memory, Pete would simply pick up the power himself.

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Friday, October 12, 2007 5:36 PM

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Just saw the entire show for the first time for free on Netflix over the past few days. Got a lot to say/think about, but I just wanted to get this in:

I don't think the Haitian had anything to do with Peter's amnesia. As we saw with Claude Rains, Peter's absorption ability makes it so he's "in" on whatever power is being used against him. He was the only person who could see Claude, and he wasn't frozen in time/space when Future-Hiro stopped time on the subway. If the Haitian ever tried to erase his memory, Pete would simply pick up the power himself.

I don’t think the Haitian had anything to do with Peter’s amnesia either. It’s not his MO. The Haitian memory washing ability has always indiscriminately eliminated memories in sequential order of acquisition from the time the washing occurred. Peter can’t remember many basic facts about his own person including his own name. How could the Haitian have removed memory Peter’s memory of his own name, without turning Peter into the mental equivalent of a one year old? It doesn’t make any sense.

However, I don’t agree that there is any reason to believe that the Haitian’s memory washing ability wouldn’t work on Peter. Peter would acquire the ability, but does that necessarily mean that Peter’s memory wouldn’t be removed? In fact, if Peter’s ability resides as memory, then the Haitian could effectively prevent Peter from acquiring the ability by washing it from Peter’s mind.

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Monday, October 15, 2007 4:09 PM

Is it just me, or is there something...off about West? I don't know what it is, but I don't like him.

It seems that Sylar hasn't given up his homicidal ways. But I do find it interesting that he introduced himself as Gabriel. Also wondering what the significance of the cockroaches is.

Matt's father as one of the evil parents. This kind of reminds me of Runaways (all of the main characters have evil parents). I wonder if his dad's power is somehow connected to Molly's (kind of like Alejandro and Maya).

And as a former wrestling fan, seeing Micah's cousin (can't remember her name) do the 619 completely rocked out.

It seems Ms. Bell will be a villain. Any reactions from VM fans?

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Monday, October 15, 2007 4:41 PM

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Is it just me, or is there something...off about West?
I don't know what it is, but I don't like him.It seems Ms. Bell will be a villain. Any reactions from VM fans?

Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing her next week, she does seem to be evil.

What if West was the one that killed Hiro's dad, I mean the person who killed him seemed to have a flying power or something to help him escape the fall. And to me, the person who pushed him looked kinda young.

And there is just something I don't trust about him.

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Monday, October 15, 2007 7:28 PM

There is wrong and then there's wrong...and man was I wrong. Every single one of my predictions was a complete whiff. Three strikes and I'm out, didn't even manage a foul tip. Now that's just bad.

On to the episode. I still don't trust West. Usually when a guy pulls the stunts he's pulling it is to get in a girl's pants but I believe he is working towards a more sinister purpose. I'm not liking what Claire is turning into. She's starting to remind me of what I thought she was going to be at the beginning of season 1. It also looks like HRG is back to his old tricks.

I sure did not forsee Parkman's father as the big bad. If his ability is what I think it is he reminds me of The Shadow King from the X-men comics. He may be forcing others with abilities to do the hands on work for him.

I don't quite know what to make of Sylar, or should I say Gabriel. For a few moments he appeared to show some regret. Don't know if it was genuine remorse about what he has done or him lamenting the apparent loss of his abilities. Whatever his motives may be he is playing a dangerous game with the wonder twins.

Micah's cousin appears to have an ability quite similar to the one Gabriel started out with. I wonder if only pertains to learning physical skills or if she will be able to learn to use other abilities a la Peter and Sylar.

Next week's episode looks very promising.
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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:06 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Great episode!

I agree, there is just something off about West. Can't put my finger on it yet, but there certainly seems to be more to him than what we are seeing so far. Claire's lying to her dad repeatedly is starting to take her down a path that is not too pretty.

What are Noah and the Haitian up to. Why are they heading to Odessa, TX? How are they funding the Bennett's lifestyle and his side missions? Obviously some squirreled away money. Perhaps a secret company fund he built?

What is with the horrible burn reflection we keep seeing of Nathan in the mirror? Was he wounded when Peter blew over NYC, but somehow healed? Is he losing it? Hope he gets it back on track. Like his mother said, he is looking for redemption, let's just hope it doesn't come with his death.

What convinced Molly to look for Matt's dad, the "Nightmare Man"? She was so adamant that she wouldn't do it, but then seemed to change her mind easily enough. I agree that Matt's dad's ability does remind me somewhat of the Shadow King from the X-Men. How did he trap Molly? In her own mind? Could it be Matt's potential is as yet untapped? Are his powers hereditary?

Sylar! Boo! Hiss! I hate that guy! Why won't he just die already! Was it the company that had him in the jungles of Central America? If so why did they not take more precautions in securing him? I hope he doesn't kill the twins.

Micah's cousin has photographic reflexes! That is so freakin' cool! I want that power! If she sees it done she can duplicate the skill herself flawlessly. Just like Taskmaster from the Marvel Universe. She could watch martial arts exhibitions and become one kickbutt fighter.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:30 AM

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What are Noah and the Haitian up to. Why are they heading to Odessa, TX? How are they funding the Bennett's lifestyle and his side missions? Obviously some squirreled away money. Perhaps a secret company fund he built?

Television people often live more opulent lifestyles then reality would suggest, so I’m not sure what to think of Bennett’s big house. But certainly a house like that in Southern California would cost virgin blood on the solstice. And I don’t think they’re going to Odessa Texas – I thought they said something about the Ukraine.

I’m going to hope it does come with Nathan’s death, but it probably won’t.

Molly hardly needed a reason to change her mind about searching for Matt’s dad. Little girls are easily convinced of just about anything. Now Suresh is going to hate Matt, and Matt is going to hate himself and they’ll both hate Matt’s father.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:22 AM

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I'm not liking what Claire is turning into. She's starting to remind me of what I thought she was going to be at the beginning of season 1.

Let's be fair here. If Claire is developing a penchant for lying, it had to be learned. And since her mother and brother don't exactly fit the profile, who would that teacher be? Lying has been such a common occurrence in her family, it's probably becoming second nature to Claire. And it's not like Noah has been up front recently either. It's only fair to spread the blame in this situation equally.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:29 AM

What happened? He see your face?

Yeah, it does look like Nathan truly believes Peter is dead. But, still not convinced about his mother. She wants Parkman to “let it go”. She didn’t let him know about his father and clearly knows about him. For his safety? Or another master plan?

Great Shadow King catch. I think that is what is going on with Matt's dad. Maybe West DID kill Hiro's dad by being controlled by him. Maybe he is controlling Peter’s mom now after the attack. (being that her wounds were self inflicted) She did have an evil look in her eye as she was wheeled off.

On Sylar:
I was wrong, he is not still under any illusion.
Possibilities -
He is still not sure if he can absorb powers so is waiting to kill them.
Or Prolly keeping the twins alive until he understands their power more
Or Plans to kill the brother so he can be the only one to stop the pestilence once it starts.
And Boy does he like killin’ peeps with blunt objects.

I was thinking when he killed the driver, he would start speaking fluent Spanish because the guy knew it or something to give us a clue his power was back. We did hear the clock ticking noise before he killed him and saw the cockroach. Were they clues that it is back? (can’t remember if we heard this when he killed Candace)

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:54 AM

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that DL is not dead. He is in fact the killer. I don't know why he is killing them, I just know that he is.

My evidence:
1) The shape of the man who attacked Kaito matches.
2) When the two fell off the building the attacker disappeared. This is b/c DL just phased through the ground into the sewers for safety
3) Ms. Petrelli was attacked in a police station behind locked doors. Who do we know who could get in there? DL.

That's just my theory, we'll see how it plays off.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:09 AM

What happened? He see your face?

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that DL is not dead. He is in fact the killer. I don't know why he is killing them, I just know that he is.

My evidence:
1) The shape of the man who attacked Kaito matches.
2) When the two fell off the building the attacker disappeared. This is b/c DL just phased through the ground into the sewers for safety
3) Ms. Petrelli was attacked in a police station behind locked doors. Who do we know who could get in there? DL.

Hmmm... anything is possible with this storyline.

They did say Ma Petrelli's wounds were self-inflicted. Now, they could have said that because they just couldn't explain it and she is playing dumb and knows of the “Nightmare Man”.

Some say Sylar/Gabriel may become a good guy or seems to show regret. K, back to the “Shadow King” theory. Was Sylar under the influence of the nightmare man this whole time? Did Noah capture him for the Co. unaware of the top dog’s master plan for him. I have to say this is far-fetched too. Because Sylar is, surely, genuinely disturbed and power hungry. But, I am sure they could recognize that too. This theory "kinda" answers the “why did they not take more precautions in securing him?” question. Secretly rescue him from the sewer, save him, and only have one person watching over him. K, Sylar escaped the Co. once by using powers in a room where he was not supposed to be able to use them. Now, they may be making him think he really doesn’t have powers and he does?

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:37 AM

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Micah's cousin appears to have an ability quite similar to the one Gabriel started out with.

Actually, it reminded me more of Charlie (I miss Charlie

), what with the whole "see it, remember it" thing.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:59 AM

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Television people often live more opulent lifestyles then reality would suggest, so I’m not sure what to think of Bennett’s big house.

He had to have socked away untraceable money somewhere, 'cause $8.50 an hour won't really pay for something that BIG...

Obviously Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:27 AM

In tv land, where a bunch of relatively poor twenty something’s can afford a huge apartment on Manhattans Upper East Side, I get the impression that $8.50 an hour goes a lot further then it does in the real world.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
In tv land, where a bunch of relatively poor twenty something’s can afford a huge apartment on Manhattans Upper East Side, I get the impression that $8.50 an hour goes a lot further then it does in the real world.

The Friends benefited from rent-control...

The Bennet Big House is over-the-top for even TV Land, he MUST have hidden resources!

That's a 3 mill crib easy Chrisisall

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Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:49 AM

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The Friends benefited from rent-control...

I won’t even validate that with a response.

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The Bennet Big House is over-the-top for even TV Land, he MUST have hidden resources!

Okay, well I still think it’s risky to put too much into the assumed value of the house, but maybe he had stock options? Who knows what the dividend a share of stock in a clandestine supralegal ubiquitous shadowy company pays.

Or what about this – just before the Haitian came down with the HV he came across some rich dude who had just bought outright a house in S. Cal., wiped his mind so that he didn’t remember buying it, so that Bennett and his family could move in.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:59 AM

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Or what about this – just before the Haitian came down with the HV he came across some rich dude who had just bought outright a house in S. Cal., wiped his mind so that he didn’t remember buying it, so that Bennett and his family could move in.

Mr. Fantastic much?

Yer stretchin' here, Finn Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:06 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

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[And I don’t think they’re going to Odessa Texas – I thought they said something about the Ukraine.

You're right. Went back and watched it again. Noah asks "Odessa Texas?" and the Haitian responds "Ukraine".

This should be interesting.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:19 AM

What happened? He see your face?

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Or what about this – just before the Haitian came down with the HV he came across some rich dude who had just bought outright a house in S. Cal., wiped his mind so that he didn’t remember buying it, so that Bennett and his family could move in.

Mr. Fantastic much?

Yer stretchin' here, Finn Chrisisall

You know, at the annual "Company" picnic. You get a few drinks in Bob (alchemy man), the next thing you know, you've got enough gold for that summer home.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:31 AM

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Can someone explain to me why everyone hates this show now? It's weird. I read the TV Watch on this at EW.com, and for some reason, everyone there is saying that so far the season has been lackluster and it sucks and that it's gone hugely downhill and all that, and I'm sitting there on Monday night, completely giddy at watching West and Claire hover between the letters of the Hollywood sign in a perfect homage to the "Can You Read My Mind" moment of SUPERMAN, intrigued with the painting of Noah dead and genuinely freaked out when Molly goes into shock and Matt can hear her screaming for him in her head and realizing that his Dad has kidnapped her. I think the show is just as good as ever. Plus, it's only been like four episodes in. You can't gauge the quality of a season by four beginning episodes. I like to think of it as exposition before getting into the real meat of the season, which guessing by the appearance of Kristen Bell next week is right around the corner.

Is anyone else baffled by this, or does anyone here actually think that season 2 of HEROES so far sucks? Because I don't, and I'm a huge HEROES fan.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:37 AM

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Is anyone else baffled by this, or does anyone here actually think that season 2 of HEROES so far sucks? Because I don't, and I'm a huge HEROES fan.

I think this season is great Regina! Weird.

Ask one or two of the posters what IS a good show on this fall season and why?

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:47 AM

I think that most people expect this season to be exactly like the first season, and thus, the dissing. American TV viewers don't tend to handle change that well. I think the show is going in a fascinating direction, but people don't want to be patient enough to see that happen.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:14 AM

Oh, I am loving it! Sure, I miss "Odessa, Texas", but I'm flexible

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:54 PM

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Is anyone else baffled by this, or does anyone here actually think that season 2 of HEROES so far sucks? Because I don't, and I'm a huge HEROES fan.

Well, I certainly don’t. One thing this season seems to lack so far is the innocent discovery angle. I think last season everyone was interested in watching various heroes struggling to come to terms with extraordinary abilities. This season seems to be more about the more ominous side of things, and I’m not sure how much of that was intended and how much was forced on the writers by the network or by circumstance. I think the original intent was to have a much more evolving cast, than they ended up with, and I think that hurts them, especially with the critics. And right now the story is kind of disjointed, with several storylines that aren’t making a lot of sense – the same way it was last season at this time – but last season we were interested in the novelty of it. There problem is that there are just far too many main characters, but I think once the story gets started, things will pick up with the critics.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:22 PM

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I like to think of it as exposition before getting into the real meat of the season, which guessing by the appearance of Kristen Bell next week is right around the corner.

Is anyone else baffled by this, or does anyone here actually think that season 2 of HEROES so far sucks?

I think you've kinda answered your own question. Ordinaries aren't very patient. They want their gratification NOW!! Taking time to set the stage, slowly building up the drama and exposition. . . Most people (people-not-us) see that as "bad." They just want their action porn.

We, OTOH, have more sublime and refined tastes.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:43 PM

I wasn't aware there was so much dissing about this season. People who followed the show last year should remember that things started off slowly then as well. It wasn't until characters' individual stories began to merge that things really coalesced. People who didn't watch from the beginning and decided to give the show a chance because of the buzz created last season may have been expecting super powered brawls each week. Then there are those types who enjoy bashing and want to be the first to say, "see, I told you all season 2 was going to suck".

I'm inclined to say to hell with all of them, they can watch some reality crap. The realist in me knows this isn't a good thing because then Heroes would be quickly canceled.

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:31 AM

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I'm inclined to say to hell with all of them, they can watch some reality crap. The realist in me knows this isn't a good thing because then Heroes would be quickly canceled.

I don’t think critics will decide when or if Heroes gets canceled. Ratings are what matters, and my understanding is that ratings for Heroes are still high in the 18-49 age group.

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:57 AM

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I don't dislike this season by any means, but I have been somewhat dissapointed. Too much wheel-spinning with the two most powerfull characters - Hiro and Peter.

Hiro's Japanese adventure has been extremely predictable so far, so even though I'm a fan of that era of history, and even a fan of David "Kensei" Anders, I've been somewhat bored by that storyline. That, and the logic errors have made it a bit hard to swallow - no one noticed for hundreds of years that the butt of the sword said "open me" and was filled with notes?

And Peter's amnesia is just infuriating. I find amnesia as a plot point to be lazy writing in general, but his "I don't want to know who I am" bit just reeked of a stalling move on the writer's part.

As cool as both characters are, I see this as being an ongoing problem, unless they can figure out a new dynamic pretty quick. Both of these guys can essentially do whatever they want (especially Peter), and just simply out-class all the other characters we've seen, in terms of power. There are just so many times that Hiro can loose control of his powers becuase his confidence is shaken. And Peter's amnesia can only hold out so long.

Oh, and the wonder twins are boring the hell out of me. I thought Nikki/Jessica's story was too directionless and meandering last year. These two easily top her. I hope Syler kills one or both of them soon.

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:51 PM

I got no problem with this season compared to last. I'm not finding the Hiro's hero storyline very engaging at all, but this series has a way of redeeming what look like silly set-ups. I expect I'll be pleased with what Hiro takes away from his Medieval Adventure.

I got no problem with Peter's amnesia, I have enough faith in the show to think the writers will prove to have "earned" it. And I even buy Peter's misgivings about finding out who he really is--can't imagine his psyche is/would be having a good time integrating "I blew up" too well.

I know there's a lot of folks who find Superman level powers "boring" or "impossible to write for" but I find the subject kinda fascinating (I grant there have been many tremendous failures, but I don't think the subject has been exhausted therefore, by any means). To me, it's a lot like assuming that rich people have perfect stress-free lives. There's a lot more to being human than having lots and lots of what someone calls "power." I think they did a very good job of showing us Peter's flaws and troubles that go beyond being able to fly/shoot lightning/go invisible/blow up, etc.

I'm really hoping that the plot this season begins to explain my biggest question from last season, namely: what the heck was it that made the last generation of super people go so bad (excepting Charles, of course--loved his conversation out of time with Peter about love)? I mean, here we got a guy who can make lame men walk and blind men see and he's running casinos and taking out contracts on people? What happened there?

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Friday, October 19, 2007 4:31 AM

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I'm really hoping that the plot this season begins to explain my biggest question from last season, namely: what the heck was it that made the last generation of super people go so bad (excepting Charles, of course--loved his conversation out of time with Peter about love)? I mean, here we got a guy who can make lame men walk and blind men see and he's running casinos and taking out contracts on people? What happened there?

"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I think that explaining the actions of the last generation is going to be one of the main themes of this season. If you think about it, what they've really been focusing is how things got to where they are now. Noah and Mohinder are looking for answers in The Company, Nathan and Matt are focusing on the actions of their parents, Hiro has found what may be the source of everyone's abilities. I think all of these divergent story lines really center around the previous generation in one way or another.

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Monday, October 22, 2007 7:15 PM

Parkman's dad had me fooled there for a minute but in his own words he is a real scumbag. Tricking Matt and Nathan into fighting each other was a nice touch. I like that Matt's ability is starting to evolve, the one true thing his father said is that "reading minds is only the beginning". Maybe the people who wanted Matt killed off because he could only read minds will shut up now.

Ms. Bell doesn't know how lucky she was to have been pulled from her assignment. She would have been shocked(pun intended) to find out Peter would have been unaffected by her ability. Pretty cold blooded of her frying that guy the way she did. You would think she has a lower power setting for interrogation.

Mohinder is treading dangerous water. Oddly enough Noah warned him not to do exactly what he always does: whatever is necessary to save someone he cares for. I imagine The Company will try to twist him into another HRG.

Speaking of The Company they must have promised Nikki that they could suppress Jessica completely. It's more likely that they are interested in Jessica becomming the dominant personality in order to utilized her people skills. Looks like she wasn't too interested in complicance. Big shock! I'm liking her story arc a lot more this year.
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Monday, October 22, 2007 7:24 PM

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"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Hey deepgirl,

I think that's stretching the context of the original idea to the breaking point. The "power" Lord Acton was talking about was political power, not personal powers, gifts or abilities. Just because you're a wiz at math doesn't mean you're a bad person. Einstein and Da Vinci weren't corrupt, either.

I'll grant you, a person has the power to control other people's minds, he may very well use it to do harm; but the ability to heal? How ya gonna use that to further your selfish ends? No, I think Linderman went bad very much in spite of his healing gift. And I wanna know why.

Interestingly, in tonight's episode, "Fight or Flight," Parkman's corrupt father suggests that "power corrupts" as well in his deceitful manipulation of his son and Nathan. I think that's a sure sign that the answer lies elsewhere.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:49 AM

So Veronica Mars is Doctor Doom, apparently?

I see your point, HK. But I also think that some of the previous generation (and for that matter, this generation) of Heroes felt that becuase they had these amazing powers all of a sudden, that gave them the excuse to use them however they wanted, with no consequence as to who they hurt in the process. I think it would be very easy to take that whole "I can do whatever I want" mentality. And I also think that Linderman's healing gift worked in the opposite direction as well. Kind of like Shawn Ferrell on The 4400.

On another note, it amazes me how many people don't like Matt. I always saw him as an average guy trying to do the best he could. And considering the circumstances, that's a pretty tall order. I'm glad they seem to be evolving his ability. You can do a lot of interesting things with telepathy.

Why did Peter buy a plane ticket to Montreal, I wonder? Unless the worst is happening like I feared, and he does have an alternate personality. Which also probably means they're going to have to kill him off, or somehow make him less powerful, like they're doing with Sylar.

Which brings me to another point. In the promo for next week, we saw Sylar telling Alejandro he would kill him once he got his ability back. Does he also plan to kill Maya? It will be interesting to see what he plans to do. I'm thinking the writers might be leaning towards, if not redemption, a reassessment of values for Sylar.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:20 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Well, Ms Bell's character sure will bring something to the mix. She seems to work for the Company? Daddy? Who is her father? Could it be Mohinder's contact at the Company? Somehow I am thinking it is a player we have not seen yet.

So Peter has a plane ticket for Montreal and paints a picture of two shadowy figures, presumably he and Caitlin, outside a building in said town. Could be he was working a lead or contact prior to his memory loss which would explain the ticket. His power to see the future could have been triggered by a strong need to go there. Opening the box sure was anti-climatic.

Not much on Hiro this week. He's still running around with Kensei trying to right history.

I like that Micca and his cousin (still forgetting her name) are forming a bond. Muscle mimic? I like the sound of that. Copycat? Not so much. Cool how she was watching "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story" and picking up his moves. Should be interesting to see where they take her character.

Matt's dad is a good bad guy. I can't believe Matt fell for his crap and followed him alone into the back room. Good to know Matt's power can grow and take on new aspects. Can't wait to see them develop his character a bit more.

I agree that the Company might be trying to suppress Nikki and let Jessica gain total control. Could be they want Jessica as an operative.

Alejandro doesn't understand English, so Sylar's threat probably means nothing to him. Sylar knows Maya is the only one of the twins to speak English so I doubt he makes his threat where she can hear it. Alejandro is no fool though, so I doubt he missed the look on Sylar's face or his tone. He didn't look too happy with Sylar either. Could be a showdown brewing between those two, but if Sylar gets his powers back no way Alejandro will last a minute against him.

I still don't see Peter as having a split personality or going bad like Sylar. I think Peter is young and still trying to find his place. No doubt his nearly being responsible for the destruction of NYC screwed with his head, but I'm still am not convinced his exposure to Nikki has caused him to develop a split personality.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:21 AM

I think the explanation for Peter's amnesia is more simple than the Haitian or a split personality. I think it boils down to one of two things. Either his brain was knocked out of whack from releasing so much energy or his subconcious tried to repress the memory of killing Nathan.

The whole Sylar/wonder twins story seemed to be going nowhere but for the preview next week. There was also a line in the preview about someone experimenting with the virus. If that is referring to what Maya does it is may possible that she and her brother did not come by their abilities naturally. She could be sent to a location, do her viral thing, then send him in when the job is done to contain the outbreak. Those abilities seem tailor made for use as a biological weapon.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:26 AM

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But I also think that some of the previous generation (and for that matter, this generation) of Heroes felt that becuase they had these amazing powers all of a sudden, that gave them the excuse to use them however they wanted, with no consequence as to who they hurt in the process. I think it would be very easy to take that whole "I can do whatever I want" mentality.

Yes, absolutely. Wouldn't have thought ol' Lindy's power could be reversed, but this is a sci-fi fantasy show, so anything goes, of course.

I surely hope they don't "feel the need" to disempower Peter or Gabriel permanently. I don't see how either of them is "god" and there is still plenty of room for vulnerability and confusion from these two--and dealing with forces they can't handle. It's so very weak to open a door with the narrative and simply close it again, 'cause the writers can't rise to the occasion.

I like the idea of Gabriel having to start from scratch steeling new powers. Hey, did anyone else hear him say something like "once I get my body back" in the teaser for next week? It looks to me that the writers are very interested in making Gabriel as complicated a personality as they can. A little hope of redemption here, a little back-sliding there, a dash of sympathy and a pound of brutality. Don't much see him getting the full redemption treatment, though--I mean, he did bash that fellow's brains in with a brick without a second thought and without super powers. Yeah, he's a bad man. On the other hand, if he did get redemption it would prolly have to be the sacrificing himself to bring down the Company type o' deal. Or, now that I'm thinking along these lines, Gabriel could gain a power that has a side effect of making him realize how precious life is and he has to go through some tremendous metamorphosis.

Part of the trouble with Matt is he's such a normie. He and Mohinder have been gobbling up blue pills since the series began--they just haven't realized how lawless and dangerous their world actually is. "Hey, Molly is terrified of some guy she calls the Nightmare Man and says that if she finds him he can see her--so let's have her find the guy!" "Hey, I'll infiltrate the Company and then rely on them to protect me!" The two of them are pretty funny in a messed up sorta way.

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007 8:24 AM

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I also think that some of the previous generation (and for that matter, this generation) of Heroes felt that becuase they had these amazing powers all of a sudden, that gave them the excuse to use them however they wanted, with no consequence as to who they hurt in the process. I think it would be very easy to take that whole "I can do whatever I want" mentality. And I also think that Linderman's healing gift worked in the opposite direction as well. Kind of like Shawn Ferrell on The 4400.

Linderman wouldn't necessarily need to reverse his healing power in order to take advantage of it. He could simply use the ability to heal those who would benefit him. Imagine him in his younger days blackmailing people who had influence and or money enabling him to gain the power he desired.

I'm really liking the overriding theme of this season comparing the downfall of the last generation of heroes vs. some of the current heroes decisions about doing what they perceive as being right. Along with the power corrupts theme I think the quote "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" sums up the overall theme of this season.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:39 AM

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Could be you're right about Peter's amnesia. It could be as simple as a backlash of the release of that much energy when he exploded above NYC, but somehow I am thinking it is not that simple. Where did he fall after the explosion? How badly was he injured from the fall? Could that be what caused the amnesia? For that matter what is with the horribly burned Nathan we keep seeing? Did that happen after the explosion? How did he get healed if so?

I don't think it likely that Peter thinking Nathan dead from flying off with him before the explosion is the cause either. He has a pic of Nathan and seeing it in the box didn't trigger any reaction at all. He simply had no idea who it was.

Could it be some drug was used on him? Perhaps a form of the drug or power used on Sylar to dampen his abilities? Could it be the Company or some other group was looking to put Peter under the glass they way they had done with Sylar? Why else would he be handcuffed inside an ocean container in the port of Cork? And who sent Caitlin's brother's crew to open that container? Was it a mistake or did someone send them to free Peter?

Lots of questions and few answers so far.

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