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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Well, Volume 2 was supposed to end before Christmas anyway (Season 2 was to contain Volumes 2 and 3), so I call it a non-issue. Probably all they did was to take out the "hook" for Volume 3.

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As an aside, how much do screen writers make? Is the strike really necessary? Or is it more like the baseball strike, where people who make 6, 7, and 8 figures playing a game can’t make 7,8, and 9 figures playing a game. Because quite frankly, the baseball strike ended my intereste in baseball completely. I haven’t watched a game since.

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Originally posted by Grizwald:
It's more an issue of what will they make in future. The technology is so fluid right now. Under the current contract, the writers get a little money for every DVD sold. It's not much, just a few cents, but it's something. Maybe in 7 years we won't be using DVDs anymore, so what will it help to get a few cents per DVD sold? Nuttin. They are trying to write something into their contracts to allow for still getting paid when the technology shifts to, say, all online viewing or direct downloads.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
When Heroes season 2 turns out like Dark Angel season 2, all you A's are to blame!

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As an aside, how much do screen writers make? Is the strike really necessary? Or is it more like the baseball strike, where people who make 6, 7, and 8 figures playing a game can’t make 7,8, and 9 figures playing a game. Because quite frankly, the baseball strike ended my intereste in baseball completely. I haven’t watched a game since.

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It's more an issue of what will they make in future. The technology is so fluid right now. Under the current contract, the writers get a little money for every DVD sold. It's not much, just a few cents, but it's something. Maybe in 7 years we won't be using DVDs anymore, so what will it help to get a few cents per DVD sold? Nuttin. They are trying to write something into their contracts to allow for still getting paid when the technology shifts to, say, all online viewing or direct downloads.

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Essentially correct. Most writers only bring down $62'000 a year, which is middle class (especially for those living in L.A.). These aren't multimillion-dollar celebrities here, they're more like Mal & company, just scraping by when things go well.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I was feeling a little better about this until I saw this. $62 grand a year is pretty reasonable pay for television screen writers, it seems. That’s not far removed from the median income of physicians - who do far more important work then writing stories for fictional tv.

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When Heroes season 2 turns out like Dark Angel season 2, all you A's are to blame!

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The writing is too consistantly high quality for that to happen. Then again DA wasn't very good from about the 3rd episode on! (ducks and runs)

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Essentially correct. Most writers only bring down $62'000 a year, which is middle class (especially for those living in L.A.). These aren't multimillion-dollar celebrities here, they're more like Mal & company, just scraping by when things go well.

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I was feeling a little better about this until I saw this. $62 grand a year is pretty reasonable pay for television screen writers, it seems. That’s not far removed from the median income of physicians - who do far more important work then writing stories for fictional tv.

I guess I can see the job security angle, but they better fix this quickly, because my sympathy for them just dropped a letter grade.

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Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Then again DA wasn't very good from about the 3rd episode on! (ducks and runs)

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Go ahead and run. You'll just die tired:)

Not really, but I think DA was great all the way up until season 2.

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Originally posted by pdcharles:
Conservie: Quit whining writers. If you are willing to share the risk of cultivating and maintaining this business, sure here's your percentage.

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Conservie: Quit whining writers. If you are willing to share the risk of cultivating and maintaining this business, sure here's your percentage.

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That's not even really the studio position, it's the writers. They are willing to share in the risk, as the precentage structure they ask for gives them nothing if there is no profit. The studios are offering a flat nothing, in terms of the internet and new tech.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Writers bring joy, imagination, and inspiration to our minds, soothing us to a healthy mental well being.

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Writers bring joy, imagination, and inspiration to our minds, soothing us to a healthy mental well being.

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Don't tell me that writers aren't crucial to our society.

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The only DA I ever watched was the premeire, and the finale.

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Sorry Chris.... but there was a reason I stopped at episode 2...

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
That's if consistently employed, like on Buffy or ER or something. Take Tim Minear- I saw he wrote sporadically...X-Files story editor for a year..5 eps of Lois And Clark, various writing for pilots and such...it wasn't until Angel and Firefly that he worked steady for more than a year. And he's a success story. So, there's a hundred for every one like him that write one ep of a series, or write one pilot or something a year then go back to managing a video store or whatever. It's not as avaricious as you think to ask for secured royalties...I have a friend the worked as a stuntman for the last two seasons of Buffy...he's pretty successful in Hollywoodland, but if you average what he's made per year in the last 5 years, it's like, 30,000 a year (in Tinseltown that gets you a small studio apt. if you have a roommate)! The spikes and valleys are that severe.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
BTW, did you see the original Heroes pilot on the DVD? It's fascinating to see HOW heavily terrorist-connected it was, and actually, the switch from terrorist-connected 'gifted' ones to secret-society dudes served it very well, I think.

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Since I bought all of season one on itunes, I didn’t feel the need to buy the DVD.

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