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Chalk it up to poor editing at the least

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Originally posted by WhoDied:
that lame season one finale.

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Originally posted by singate:
Wasn't this episode also supposed to explain what happened with Sylar? There was nothing on him until the story shifted back to the present.

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Well we didn't get anything on Sylar, but we did get back story on Maya and Alejandro that filled in some of the blanks. That's something I guess.

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Originally posted by WhoDied:
that lame season one finale.

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Boyo, are ye daft? That was gold it was.

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Originally posted by singate:
Another Company boo-boo is the thing about using Claire's blood as a cure for the virus. All this time they had Adam locked away and it never occured to them to keep a sample of his blood. Not necessarily as a failsafe for this research but because the healing properties alone are worth looking into.

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That Elle is a twisted little mynx. Granted she had a difficult upbringing(if we assume she told the truth) but it is hard to excuse her sadistic and domineering behavior.

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Originally posted by pdcharles:
The part I am having trouble with is the Haitian. K, So he wiped Peter and sent him off in the container. I am assuming against the will of Bob, who then injects the Haitian with the virus.

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The part I am having trouble with is the Haitian. K, So he wiped Peter and sent him off in the container. I am assuming against the will of Bob, who then injects the Haitian with the virus.

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He went home, expecting to die for his sins, looks to me like.

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
DL wasn't paying attention when the thug came for him.

(1) His turn as a superhero (saving the kid from the fire) made him overconfident (note how he closed his eyes and just sighed when the guy came at him).

(2) There was a bouncer at the door. There aren't supposed to be guns inside a club like that, and DL got caught flat-footed.

(3) It was a crowded club. DL lets the bullet go through him, someone else gets shot up.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
True, I forgot that. But she (and the writers) made a point of doing so from far away, so he wouldn't see it coming. She didn't put the gun against his gut and look him in the eye before firing.

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True, I forgot that. But she (and the writers) made a point of doing so from far away, so he wouldn't see it coming. She didn't put the gun against his gut and look him in the eye before firing.

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I don’t see that it matters. The point is that it had already been established that DL must consciously enact a physical condition in which he can phase through objects or objects can phase through him. He’s vulnerable to fast moving objects or surprises. It’s not hard to imagine that some dude could walk up to him and blow him away, especially in a crowed place where no one expects that to happen. I think the writers did a good job.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
But in this case, the guy took longer to pull the trigger than to take a swing. The logic just doesn't hold up.

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I just can't agree, not when we had just seen him phase to avoid a punch that came with less warning. Velocity has never been shown to have any effect, other than that fast things (such as Nikki's shot) hit him before he can think of phaseing. But in this case, the guy took longer to pull the trigger than to take a swing. The logic just doesn't hold up.

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Originally posted by singate:
It's actually more than something. Chalk this one up to me being a little slow during the wee hours. The writers did show us what happened to Sylar via Peter's experience during his "rehabilitation". I think it is safe to assume Sylar went through the same treatment after Hiro stabbed him. Although his was most likely kept unconcious via heavy sedatives. If they administered the same drugs to suppress his abilities and they wear off at the same rate they did with Peter it will only be a matter of time before his powers reappear. I figure he killed Candace approximately 2 days ago in TV time so that leaves him somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 days before he is back to his old lovable self. I'm still trying to figure out why they kept him alive in the first place. Even if it was as a guinea pig, why move him from a secure state of the art facility to a remote shack with only Candace as guard?

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Originally posted by singate:
Another Company boo-boo is the thing about using Claire's blood as a cure for the virus. All this time they had Adam locked away and it never occured to them to keep a sample of his blood. Not necessarily as a failsafe for this research but because the healing properties alone are worth looking into.

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Another Company boo-boo is the thing about using Claire's blood as a cure for the virus. All this time they had Adam locked away and it never occured to them to keep a sample of his blood. Not necessarily as a failsafe for this research but because the healing properties alone are worth looking into.

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I didn't get that either. Why would they not have Adam's blood stored somewhere? Seems if they have had him for 30 years as he claims then they would have had plenty of time to run tests and collect samples. His blood cured Nathan's horrible burns in a matter of minutes so no doubt the Company would know how important Adam would be.

That led me to believe that Adam's escape was a bit too easy. Why was he not guarded better? Whey did they only send Elle and the Haitian after Peter and Adam? Shouldn't there have been squads of men with tranq guns sent to capture them? They don't seem to have a limited budget, so why not send more people after them?

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually the logic is fine. You said it yourself. He has to think about phasing in order for it to work. The writers have already made that case. The story the writers wanted to tell was one in which he dies, which I think is a far more compelling story then one in which he narrowing misses every danger thrown at him.

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The logic doesn't work because we had just seen him avoid an attack with even less time to think or respond. You keep ignoring that bit.

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The logic doesn't work because we had just seen him avoid an attack with even less time to think or respond. You keep ignoring that bit.

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I realize that you don’t like the way this played out, but you can’t call it illogical. What you’re claiming is actually illogical. It’s a false cause fallacy. You claim that because he had previously phased a punch that he must therefore phase a gunshot, but that’s illogical, because the writers already made the case that if he’s caught off guard he can get shot. I think the writers did a good job with this. Now granted, it could use some fleshing out to make things more clear, but that’s not a problem with the events per se - that’s a problem with the overloaded cast. There are too many stories to tell in 45 minutes.

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Hey I'm just sad he's gone... I do think he was focused on the possibility of attack when he was hit( most guys interrupting a couple dancing to pull the girl away expect physical attack of some kind) and he likely didn't think the guy would really pull the trigger right there in front of tons of witnesses ( who does that anyway) over a girl walking away. So he probably didn't realize until too late that the man was pulling the trigger. It's not that he didn't see the danger, it's that he didn't believe the threat was credible. He probably thought he was going to have to talk the guy down or something... of course this is jut my opinion and all.

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It's a fallacy that because he is able to do something once, he should be able to do it again 5 mintes later?

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I even re-watched it last night, to see if it was plausible. Bad writing, and bad editing. Nothing I see justifies it.

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Okay, I'll drop the illogical (though I still think it violates story logic - perhaps not debate logic, but story logic - definitly), and just stick with poorly written.

If it works for you, cool. But I found it very, very sloppy, in an otherwise solid episode.

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Okay, I'll drop the illogical (though I still think it violates story logic - perhaps not debate logic, but story logic - definitly), and just stick with poorly written.

If it works for you, cool. But I found it very, very sloppy, in an otherwise solid episode.

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There are too many characters, and they can’t pay the kind of attention that every scene deserves when they’ve got five or six main character, each with different storylines. They tend to abbreviate scenes. This is a criticism. One that I’ve made in the past. But you’re making the assumption that DL saw it coming, except there’s nothing in the scene that suggest that, and you can’t extrapolate from previous phasing events. It would have been nice if there were a scene or two that cleared up exactly what DL was thinking or doing at the time, but I think the writers did a good job with what they could afford to put in.

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Mohinder's officially on my shit-list. I tried, but until he gets his head out of his ass, he just another dupe.

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And for that matter, Matt is as well, for the time being. I hope they don't turn him evil. But on the other hand, they have to do something in regards to character development.

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Was I the only one maniacally cheering when Elle shocked herself? Just wondering.

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So West didn't turn out to be so bad after all. I'm still not a big fan of his, but he looks to have potential.

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Claire's blood can bring back the dead. Pretty shiny. That being said, I wonder what The Company has in store for Noah. Nothing good, as usual.

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*sigh* Two more episodes to go. With any luck, the guild and the producers will make some headway when talks resume on Thursday.

ETA: Does the whole Hiro-meeting-his-past-self give anyone else pause? I'm not an expert on time-travel, but wouldn't that invoke some kind of paradox?

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We all immediately assumed Noah was taken by The Company, but what if Adam is the one who has him? Food for thought, anyway.

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Damnit, it sounds like I missed a really good Heroes.

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I guess I can't completely hate Mohinder.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I think maybe Sylar and Maya & Miguel (heh heh) are done for this season and will be the focus of the next chapter,

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Damnit, it sounds like I missed a really good Heroes.

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You did, my friend.

Best one so far IMHO Chrisisall

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