Andromeda by cwcandromeda

Yeah..........Sorbo did manage to screw up the series. A lot of writers are no longer with the show anymore but hopefully things will get better. If not then I'll hang up my ranks and move on to Firefly and Tracker.

-cwcandromeda
Warship of the known worlds!
On the cwcandromeda Ascendant, hope lives again!

http://www.cwcandromeda.tk

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Tuesday, October 8, 2002 4:47 PM

Ooo! response from a die-hard Drom fan. Firefly has become my new obsession in the wake of what has happened to Andromeda. First season, i could think of nothing else (like i am with firefly now). I memorized everything. I understood it, related to the stories, love the connections, and the dialogue... I knew far too much about it. Robert Hewitt Wolfe did amazing work. There's depth and morality shown in episodes like Angel Dark, Demon Bright. Humor in episodes like Fear and Loathing in the Milky WAy, and ability to deal with unusual and difficult subjects in It Makes a Lovely light. But.. I'm so disappointed. It doesn't thrill me anymore. I watch out of devotion and hope, but after about homefires/orouborus, I got skeptical. The plots got bad, there was too much action, not enough of the interaction that had made it so much fun. Kevin sorbo was stupid, and i don't like what they did with Trance. And now Tyr's bonespurs!? Grr... I don't know what to think. Drom used to be the highpoint of my television viewing,b ut If the Wheel is Fixed did nothing for me. I'll keeping watching *sigh*

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Wednesday, October 9, 2002 2:57 PM

MELEE

*pats Saint of Cheese (the one who addicted her to Andromeda) in comfort* Yes...

*sigh* I miss season 1... it was so GOOD then! It was original, it was funny, and it wasn't afraid to deal with sensitive subjects (It Makes a Lovely Light has to be pretty much my favorite episode ever). But in season 2 it started to go gradually downhill... as Saint of Cheese said, more action, less involved character development, and Beka's Flash addiction, which should have been at least a small issue, has barely been mentioned. The season 3 premier didn't thrill me either... so we'll wait and see.

"We pretty much just give eachother significant glances and laugh incessantly"

For the morbidly curious with no more brain cells left to lose: read my Livejournal ( http://www.livejournal.com/users/meleechan/)

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Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:14 PM

*Rhea waves at SaintofCheese and her other Andromeda buddies.*

As of the season 3 opener I've officially given up Andromeda. The episode left me scratching my head and wondering what the hell THAT was about.

It's too bad, too, because Robert Hewitt Wolfe created an amazing universe.

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Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:31 PM

CARDIE

And here we are, all the disappointed DROM fans Mike Joe wants to chase off the Slipstream. I'm so afraid to love another SF show again. Since DS9, all my faves have either been cancelled prematurely or ruined by meddling producers.

Cardie

"They're safe from the blessings of civilization."--Doc Boone in John Ford's Stagecoach, a big influence on FF

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Friday, October 11, 2002 4:04 AM

{{{{{{{Cardie}}}}}}}

Me too. But I love Firefly and I plan to enjoy it to the hilt for however long it lasts.

We watched AMR again last night and laughed just as hard as the other times. ROTFL! "She was all...naked and articulate."

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Friday, October 11, 2002 5:06 AM

AVALON

Quote:
Originally posted by Cardie:
And here we are, all the disappointed DROM fans Mike Joe wants to chase off the Slipstream. I'm so afraid to love another SF show again. Since DS9, all my faves have either been cancelled prematurely or ruined by meddling producers.

Me, too. Not only do we have the disappointment of DROM mutating into...something else, but we can't even grieve/vent/discuss it without being jumped on or snarked at. ARGGHH. Heaven forbid we should have complaints; that must mean we're eeeeeeeeeevil.

(I like MikeJoe, generally, but there are plenty of moments when I'd just like to smack him upside the head. And then there are a couple others I could smack most of the time...

)

Now, with everything else being uprooted -- Farscape and Witchblade being just the most recent casualties -- it's so hard not to feel bittersweet everytime I watch or think of Firefly. I love the show so much already, and each episode is better and better, and yet I'm constantly wondering if this one will be the last episode we ever get to see.

Believe me, I'm taping them all. (I was so bummed when I couldn't get the beginning of "Bushwhacked" due to a VCR programming glitch. Hope they re-air it so I can tape the whole thing again.) And believe me, if we're so very lucky as to ever get these on DVD -- I'll be buying a DVD player, finally...

{{{{{{{{Rhea}}}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{Cardie}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{Melee & SoC}}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{CoolGhoul}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{Anyone I might have missed!}}}}}}}}}

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Friday, October 11, 2002 5:14 AM

Slipstreamers! yay! i miss it! I ran out of time for it, and I got very sad at the way things were going on Slipstream and on Drom. But i do miss you guys! Glad to see you all here! WEll, i love firefly no matter what. It is my new Drom.. Take it for what it is.. good. For as long as it's on.

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Friday, October 11, 2002 7:55 AM

QUEENTIYE

Hi Cardie! Hi Rhea! Hi CoolGhoul! Hi all Drom refugees! LOL!

Yep. I've been lurking here tentatively - I'm afraid to commit to Firefly! Drom was my first big fandom thing - first online community involvement, etc... and it's breaking my heart.

I just don't know if I can do it again!

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Friday, October 11, 2002 8:43 AM

QT! Nice to see you here! Sure you can do it.

Just think of it as Slipstream with less angst.

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Friday, October 11, 2002 12:11 PM

I agree, but I don't plan on giving up on Andromeda just yet. Besides, it is hard to give up on Andromeda, especially when you've been watching it and building a site on it almost weeks before it's release. I heard about Andromeda in April from Lady Maigrey's site. Then I heard about it on some other site, which I have forgotten the name and address to. I will admit that Andromeda's opener wasn't that lively or interesting, but it wasn't INCREDIBLY BAD either. The next ep, 302, is supposed to be very good and has some good reviews from viewers who've seen it in Canada. So, I'm sticking to it for the long run.

-cwcandromeda

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Thursday, October 17, 2002 5:11 AM

Are you guys still slipstreamin'?

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Thursday, October 17, 2002 6:53 AM

I'm still slipstreaming, SoC.

I may not be watching the show any more, but I'm not planning on giving up my SS friends either.

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Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:59 AM

I gave it up, so it's nice to see Slipstreamers around here. I do miss it... but i don't have time (I'm infrequently here, too!)This year is much harder than i thought it would be

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Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:08 PM

DELVO

I'm another of those who gave up on Andromeda, embarassed to have once told so many people how amazingly awesome it was and now having to go back and apologize and retract... and can't be as excited about this show as it deserves because of that betrayal.

Maybe it'll be better with Firefly, given that it's on a network. Shows on networks don't seem to get meddled with as much as the ones in syndication, so they only die if their creators kill them, like with X-Files.

Minor corrections, though: Sorbo didn't do it singlehandedly, and only 2 writers are gone. The remaining writers, however, show signs of being distinctly unhappy and stressed whereas they used to be enthusiastic.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 12:51 PM

GTHING

I thought Andromeda was extremely promising when it was brand new. I loved the Nietzscheans and the stories that involved them. I was thrilled with the history of the Commonwealth where it existed long before humans began exploring space.

I was really happy with the first season. The second season had a few episodes I couldn't stand, but there were enough high points to keep me interested -- James Marsters made one hell of a Nietzschean.

This season, now that the Commonwealth has been established again, I was looking forward to the Nietzschean rebellion possibly rising again. I wanted to see episodes that told more stories of tyranny and the struggle for freedom. Those were the stories Roddenberry wanted to tell, and those were what Andromeda's first season was all about. The first two episodes of the third season have just plain been awful, and they are not even remotely following Roddenberry's vision. The show is becoming Hercules in Space, literally!!!

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Friday, October 18, 2002 1:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Delvo:
I'm another of those who gave up on Andromeda, embarassed to have once told so many people how amazingly awesome it was and now having to go back and apologize and retract... and can't be as excited about this show as it deserves because of that betrayal.

Hiya, Delvo! I figured that was you. Nice to see you here, too. :D

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Friday, October 18, 2002 5:17 PM

Oh..

it makes me all sad to think of the loss of my Drom! I dont' want it to die. But IT really did start to go down fast after RHW left. Season one was amazing. Season 2 had some good moments. Anyone have a season 2 fav episode? Personally, I'll stray from the crowd and admit that i liked Home fires (not much violence.. quite a bit of plot that require backstory).

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Friday, October 18, 2002 6:27 PM

I liked The Knight, Death and the Devil myself. :)

I miss it too, but what I miss is Robert's Andromeda, not most of what's come along since.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 6:27 PM

I liked The Knight, Death and the Devil myself. :)

I miss it too, but what I miss is Robert's Andromeda, not most of what's come along since.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 6:27 PM

I liked The Knight, Death and the Devil myself. :)

I miss it too, but what I miss is Robert's Andromeda, not most of what's come along since.

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Friday, October 18, 2002 6:27 PM

double post

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:28 AM

CARDIE

Quote:
Originally posted by SaintofCheese:
Anyone have a season 2 fav episode? Personally, I'll stray from the crowd and admit that i liked Home fires (not much violence.. quite a bit of plot that require backstory).

I liked "Home Fires," too, but my all time fave S2 episode is "All Too Human." After RHW left, only "Knight" and "Immaculate Perception" measure up.

Cardie

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 4:52 AM

eh.. I didn't really care fore Knight , but Immaculate perception was good.

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:14 AM

I love Andromeda, that's why it was so hard to watch episodes like If the Wheel is Fixed. Personally I think Kevin has ruined the show. I started watching because of the supporting cast and now their only role seems to be to say "Yes Captain, we're behind you."

The new season is alright. I just saw Shards of Rimni, and I have to say it was good even though Kevin had such a large role it in. I about threw something at my TV when I heard the new voice over though.

Jayne: Time for some thrilling heroics.

Wash: Every man there go back inside or we will blow a new crater in this
little moon.

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:11 AM

QUEENTIYE

Quote:
Originally posted by Delvo:
I'm another of those who gave up on Andromeda, embarassed to have once told so many people how amazingly awesome it was and now having to go back and apologize and retract... and can't be as excited about this show as it deserves because of that betrayal.

Well, if they showed up the last two seasons you have nothing to be ashamed about! However, I've now suffered through 3 season 3 eps, and I'm stunned at how AWFUL it is...

Quote:
Maybe it'll be better with Firefly, given that it's on a network. Shows on networks don't seem to get meddled with as much as the ones in syndication, so they only die if their creators kill them, like with X-Files.

One could hope!

Quote:
Minor corrections, though: Sorbo didn't do it singlehandedly, and only 2 writers are gone. The remaining writers, however, show signs of being distinctly unhappy and stressed whereas they used to be enthusiastic.

The recent outspokenness from KHC is further proof of the problems - he came right out and spoke against TPTB, and once again called on his fans to write letters...I am just so apathetic that I can't muster the energy - it seems very apparent that the show has not only tanked - it did so at 200 mph...it is actually painful to watch - like watching reality tv in which you stare in horror waiting for something terrible to happen...

QT

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:21 PM

KS is stupid. I wouldn't watch the show at first bec of him. Shards was actually pretty good, although it reminded me too much of In heaven now are three. But at least Harper had a role. I've missed him.

The "we're not saluting and we're not calling you captain" days were far better.

I love KHC. But i've been so frustrated that i didn't even know that he had encouraged people to write stuff.

I miss the bone spurs!

~*Saint of Cheese*~

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:51 PM

QUEENTIYE

Hi Rhea! I'm trying...but it's going to take time... gave my heart once, ya know...

QT

QueenTiye, Companion Academy, class of 2006

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Saturday, October 19, 2002 1:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SaintofCheese:

The "we're not saluting and we're not calling you captain" days were far better.

You can say that again.

Jayne: Time for some thrilling heroics.

Wash: Every man there go back inside or we will blow a new crater in this little moon.

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Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:09 PM

I have been thinking of running campaigns on my site to restore the Andromeda that once was the greatest show in the SciFi empire. One of the campaigns is to bring RHW back. He developed the show, so he should still be with it today. One thing that did attract me to the coming of Season 3 was the change in costumes and the changes to Trance and Rommie, plus the suspense of what happened to Beka and Tyr, but I was very disappointed with how "If the Wheel is Fixed" was so confusing and didn't make any sense. "The Shards of Rimni" was a good episode, maybe a little bit on the 'Hercules in Space' side, but it was still a good episode. "Mad to be Saved" was just plain strange, but it's comedy parts made up for it. I don't know about "Cui Bono?" yet. Hmmmm. We will see.

-cwcandromeda

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Friday, October 25, 2002 12:00 PM

I like your idea cwcandromeda. I'm no sure how effect that will be though.

I though 'Mad to be Saved' was horrible! It proved once and for all that Dylan doesn't really care about his crew.

Jayne: Time for some thrilling heroics.

Wash: Every man there go back inside or we will blow a new crater in this little moon.

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Friday, October 25, 2002 4:38 PM

Agh. .this season hasn't been too good! Mtbs was terrible! I have seen every episode of Drom at least once, and that one... I couldn't sit through it. I didn't pay attention.. It was that bad.

I miss RHW. I mean, he wasn't the only one who could write, but when he was there, the others wrote better stories! I love Zack and Ash too...

~*Saint of Cheese*~

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Saturday, October 26, 2002 3:47 AM

DELVO

The demise of Andromeda strikes once again even outside of its own show, by worrying me about Firefly. "Out of Gas" was just so stunningly awesome that I'm reminded of how I felt after certain Season 1 and a few (mostly early) Season 2 episodes of Andromeda. And yet, after the last show to reach such lofty heights has plunged into the deepest valley and started drilling a hole, now there's this little voice in the back of my mind saying "Just wait a year and a half, and compare the Firefly episodes you'll be getting then with this one..."

It takes quite a disastrous downfall for any one show to have such far-reaching consequences to fans of a completely unrelated show!

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Saturday, October 26, 2002 2:18 PM

I hated MtbS. The whole time I was watching it I kept yelling at my TV, and I even threw a pillow at it in one point. The only good scenes were Tyr's lines and Harper trying to get out of his hostage situation.

Jayne: Time for some thrilling heroics.

Wash: Every man there go back inside or we will blow a new crater in this little moon.

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Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:20 PM

NIXXIGNATIUS

I kind of feel like my hearts been broken with so many canceled shows or shows that have gone down hill.

I really like Space: Above and Beyond. It was canceled.

I kind of liked Alien Nation. Ditto.

Farscape. Ditto. Earth2 ditto.

Buffy and Angel have been the only shows I've liked that have lasted a season.

Not trying to sound like a depressed person or anything.

I really liked Andromedia. But my God did it start to suck as nothing has ever sucked before.

I'm hoping Firefly sticks around. That was why I hit all of the save firefly ads. :)

Nixx

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Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Delvo:
The demise of Andromeda strikes once again even outside of its own show, by worrying me about Firefly. "Out of Gas" was just so stunningly awesome that I'm reminded of how I felt after certain Season 1 and a few (mostly early) Season 2 episodes of Andromeda. And yet, after the last show to reach such lofty heights has plunged into the deepest valley and started drilling a hole, now there's this little voice in the back of my mind saying "Just wait a year and a half, and compare the Firefly episodes you'll be getting then with this one..."

If Firefly lasts, I don't think we'll have that problem. Unlike Andromeda, Firefly isn't helmed by a committee of boobs who don't know scifi from a hole in the ground (or their asses from scifi or a hole in the ground).

Thank God for Joss! Firefly has the benefit of having a single person's vision, like B5. I expect it to keep getting better.

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Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:40 AM

DELVO

How have the ratings been? Since they were dropping when things hadn't gotten nearly so bad, I'm presuming they've fallen even lower...

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Saturday, December 21, 2002 11:23 AM

Actually, the ratings for Andromeda have increased, but not to a fantastic premise. The last few eps have been good, except for a few. It does look like the series is going to collapse, because of the stupidity of the new writers. I still watch, though.

C'ya.
Chris C. (CWCANDROMEDA)

-cwcandromeda

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Friday, January 10, 2003 9:57 PM

G3TSOME

Im a andromeda fan but ive missed most episodes cause im from cleveland,ohio(not on local channels/freaking cable is expensive here).luckily i got dsl so im gonna DL the episodes i missed and i hope they are better than the episodes i saw in the beginning of the season.

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Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:46 PM