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Originally posted by CellarDoor:

Spoilers since I know some people watched BSG tonight...

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Originally posted by freelancertex:

will someone plz explain what happened?

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Originally posted by FireflyPassenger:
Definitely delivered. This was Joss' Dollhouse and you could tell the difference.

I loved it!!! Joss is back.

Up until now it's been breadcrumbs, this was a treat but I know more goodness is coming.

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The closest I can come to an explanation is the video of Caroline in the cult from the previous episode. But that's a week connection.

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2) When did Ballard and his neighbor get to be so chummy? He hadn't given her so much as a second look, and now they're hanging out sharing Chinese food?

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3) Echo got away a little too easy. I know Ballard was busy disabling the security guys, but here is this "ghost" he's been obsessively trying to find, and she's quite literally within arms reach. Yet, Boyd just strolls in and takes Echo out of the house. I believe at the time that Ballard was busy strangling one of the security guys on the kitchen island, so he easily could have stopped and cut off Boyd and Echo.

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I have to say, Ballard is one tough mother! He gets shot in the stomach (and we all know what a stomach wound can do), but manages to take out 6 guys. He gets tasered and still manages to beat the crap out of several security guys.

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Ballard's answering machine now has the trigger phrases for mellie on it, not to mention dewhitt's voice. (sp?)

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Does anyone think there might be more to Topher than there seems to be? I'm still trying to figure out how even Alpha could have gotten the frequency for the wipe a couple episodes back... And the only thing I can come up with is help from someone in the know on the inside.

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I'm just not sure I believe all the glitching with the actives recently, both imprinted and in their blank slate, could be all coincidence. Nor do I fully understand why Alpha might have gone haywire. The only connection between Alpha and the glitching is Topher.

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Was Echo telling Ballard about Alpha? Why would DeWitt want to tip Ballard off about Alpha's existence? Was she off program (or maybe, depending on this Topher theory, on program)?

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Originally posted by Ziggo:
It was by far the best episode, but I better not have noticed a big potential plot hole.

Ballard's answering machine now has the trigger phrases for mellie on it, not to mention dewhitt's voice. (sp?)

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I have two theories as to who the mole could be. First is Dr. Saunders, who has an understandable beef with the workings of the Dollhouse. The second, with less revealed motivation but greater means, is the cute lab assistant, Ivy.

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Originally posted by pachelbel:
1) Where did the impetus for this investigative report come from? Last we saw, no one believed anything Ballard had to say. Next thing we know, channel whoever is doing a "man on the street" investigation into the existence of a dollhouse? The closest I can come to an explanation is the video of Caroline in the cult from the previous episode. But that's a week connection.

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2) When did Ballard and his neighbor get to be so chummy? He hadn't given her so much as a second look, and now they're hanging out sharing Chinese food?

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3) Echo got away a little too easy. I know Ballard was busy disabling the security guys, but here is this "ghost" he's been obsessively trying to find, and she's quite literally within arms reach. Yet, Boyd just strolls in and takes Echo out of the house. I believe at the time that Ballard was busy strangling one of the security guys on the kitchen island, so he easily could have stopped and cut off Boyd and Echo.

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I have to say, Ballard is one tough mother! He gets shot in the stomach (and we all know what a stomach wound can do), but manages to take out 6 guys. He gets tasered and still manages to beat the crap out of several security guys.

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Originally posted by asarian:
it does indeed make you wonder what the point of the first 5 was.

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Originally posted by Cedric:

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I have two theories as to who the mole could be. First is Dr. Saunders, who has an understandable beef with the workings of the Dollhouse. The second, with less revealed motivation but greater means, is the cute lab assistant, Ivy.

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My first pick is Ivy.

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And how is Topher supposed to notice anything she does when she runs around in lace stockings?

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My wife favors Dr. Saunders, who I must admit is a strong candidate.

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I have two theories as to who the mole could be. First is Dr. Saunders, who has an understandable beef with the workings of the Dollhouse. The second, with less revealed motivation but greater means, is the cute lab assistant, Ivy.

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My first pick is Ivy.

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Poison Ivy, eh? Nah! It can't be her! She's just too pretty! :)

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The guy we saw stick the photo of Caroline in the envelope was, well, a guy! :) So, can't be Dr. Saunders, either.

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Originally posted by asarian:
Poison Ivy, eh? Nah! It can't be her! She's just too pretty! :)

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So was River.

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The guy we saw stick the photo of Caroline in the envelope was, well, a guy! :) So, can't be Dr. Saunders, either.

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Saunders could be the mole within the organization. We're not talking about Alpha.

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I do have I certain theory on that, which involves us not having seen Alpha yet; the guy we see sticking the photo of Caroline in the envelope is a doll, programmed by Alpha as an intermediary.

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Originally posted by pachelbel:
I believe at the time that Ballard was busy strangling one of the security guys on the kitchen island, so he easily could have stopped and cut off Boyd and Echo.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
The mole and Alpha could not possibly be one and the same. Number one, it was blatantly stated that this was the first contact the mole was having with Ballard, as well as being stated that the program was tampered with to add this parameter. The program was likely tampered with while Boyd was talking to Topher, making him a strong candidate for being in cahoots, as I said, but impossible that he was the one doing the actual tinkering. Whoever it was is inside the Dollhouse, with means and ability to get into the programming, which is why my suspicions fall strongly on Ivy.

As for remote upload, I don't think it's entirely remote.



This, if I'm right, is Alpha's version of the imprint chair. Go to http://www.shinyuniverse.net/bluesun.aspx?bid=880#shiny for the potentially spoilish image on which I initially based my theory.


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Originally posted by pachelbel:
I believe at the time that Ballard was busy strangling one of the security guys on the kitchen island, so he easily could have stopped and cut off Boyd and Echo.

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Actually, as I'm currently rewatching it, Ballard is being strangled by one of the security guys when Echo is pulled out of the kitchen, making it rather difficult for him to leave off at that moment.

I did find myself wondering about DeWitt's voice on the answering machine as well. I wonder if that will lead anywhere? For now, I'm assuming there's a bit in Mellie's program that tells her to delete the message. Might be weak, but if they can trigger her to snap a man's neck, surely they can build in a trigger to push a button.

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
The mole and Alpha could not possibly be one and the same. Number one, it was blatantly stated that this was the first contact the mole was having with Ballard, as well as being stated that the program was tampered with to add this parameter. The program was likely tampered with while Boyd was talking to Topher, making him a strong candidate for being in cahoots, as I said, but impossible that he was the one doing the actual tinkering. Whoever it was is inside the Dollhouse, with means and ability to get into the programming, which is why my suspicions fall strongly on Ivy.

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