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Originally posted by felixdacat:
Despite what Josh Friedman said recently about how the show is called the "Sarah Conner Chronicles" and thus is about Sarah Conner, it’s starting to morph into the "John Conner becomes John Conner Chronicles".

The scene of John's confrontation with Jesse was perfectly written and perfectly acted on Thomas Dekker's part. You can almost see the last of his adolescence falling to the wayside and the future leader taking over.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I'm really enjoying John Henry. I wonder if he was hacked by Cameron.

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Originally posted by felixdacat:
Ok...I'm a major lurker when it comes to these boards, but still...I was wondering when someone would notice what’s been happening lately on the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
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There are very few posts about TSCC in this verse, but I hope the browncoats continue to watch.

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Jesse, ... led us away from ... just a Human v. Metal story- just two teams, black and white. There are different factions within the human side, and it seems there are different factions within the metal side.

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And we’re seeing the line blur, too. To me, I guess, Jesse represented a shade of grey, a different perspective on how we’re supposed to perceive the John Connor of the future.(Do you remember in which ep Jesse said Cameron was sent back to change John? I missed that, and it's an interesting angle. I want to check it out.)

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The production schedule question is interesting. I'm always curious as to how much influence feedback has. Maybe they’ve filmed alternate storylines. A bit like those old choose-your-own-adventure books...

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And I do wonder if Jesse and Cameron had only met once. That’s a lot of animosity for Jesse to harbor for just one meeting.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Oh, I binge watched them after I came in somewhere in the 2nd season. She mentions the idea fairly consistently to Derek, but I can't remember where she first suggests the idea. I believe she actually puts forward the idea that the only word we have saying that John sent Cameron is Cameron's. Later she asks why would John send her back if she was his best protection. It would seem that he was protecting his former self, but he'd need the information that he was in danger. She might again be alluding to the idea that Cameron sent herself, thought it comes across as Jesse saying John sent her back to get rid of her, but that argument doesn't hold water. He wouldn't sent her back to kill himself.

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She may have an ulterior motive that's not at all machine based, she may have observed John of the future and perceived weaknesses, etc.

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Also, there are limitless motivations for Cameron, who does lie pretty consistantly, and may in fact not have been sent back by John. We never see it happen. For all we know she's an infiltrator into the resistance. The idea I find most interesting is if Cameron is an infiltrator but not a simple plant for the metal side, but with an agenda of her own, like avoiding the war, peaceful coexistence, even if only motivated by self preservation, having done projections of future engagements and come to the conclusion that on its current path, humans will defeat machines.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Excellent show. Those not watching, IMHO, start from the beginning, watch straight through.

Oh, I binge watched them after I came in somewhere in the 2nd season.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Summer was nothing less than epic and brilliant.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Sorry, I don't know if this even merits a response.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Summer was nothing less than epic and brilliant.

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This, I don't understand and a lot of people keep saying it.

She's a robot. She's monotonous. She does the same thing every week. How is that performance "epic and brilliant"? Unless I've been blinking and missing it, there's absolutely no range or depth to what she's being given to do....

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Here are some things that actors generally are

Human
Emotional
Confident
Intelligent
Young
Sane
Themselves

If they carry these things off, it's a sign of nothing. If they fail to carry them, then it's a sign of a lack of talent.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
As for the rest of it, whatever. Here's Cameron as her flat self in what I thought was one of the better scenes. I reiterate we have seen a very large number of people play psychotic robots in our sci-fi viewing history, probably too many to count. Summer is the most convincing one I've ever seen. That's worthy of note.

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Originally posted by farfly:
Here are some of the Cameron highlights.

http://tinyurl.com/d6nmb6

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Originally posted by leedavidt:
I think they should also have called it the John Connor Chronicles...just my opinion :)

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
...even if we end on a huge cliffhanger.

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Originally posted by singate:
Was that Allison with Kyle in the future?

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It will be a shame if this doesn't come back.

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Originally posted by 06K64:
The gun store scene was great. I'm trying to remember, though- Did Arnold's Terminator actually kill anyone in T2? I remember alot of kneecaps...

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Originally posted by singate:

You are correct about T2 but in the first movie Arnold killed the gun store owner after acquiring a cache of weapons. He also killed 17(?) police officers when he stormed the precinct where Sarah was in protective custody.

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Originally posted by 06K64:
This is all to say that I saw in Summer’s performance a reflection of this story element. She wasn’t always robotic or monotonous- you saw flashes of Allison’s humanity in a pause or a reaction on Cameron’s part, and Summer did that very well.

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Originally posted by 06K64:
Dreamtrove- welcome back! I’m glad you finally got to see the last two eps. In a word, as you say, awesome. (With deference to your rethink...)

As for what it all means, Jongsstraw... Ha- that’s half the fun!

I think what you’re asking about Weaver and the flying thing underscores one of the themes that developed through the series: That there are two opposing factions on the metal side. To make it clear to us, Weaver stated to Sarah exactly what she was up to, which was to build something (with John Henry as its genesis?) to stop Skynet. So not only are we seeing that there are two metal factions, and that one (Weaver’s) that wants to ally itself with the humans, but also that a lot of the mysterious conflicts we witnessed are part of this chess game the metal factions are playing against each other in the “present.”

What I really liked was the “Will you join us?” revisit. Where future John Connor had offered to ally with the “good” metal faction in the future, and was turned down on the Jimmy Carter, it seems like Weaver’s faction may have reconsidered and wants to join forces. But that opens a whole timeline, what’s-happening-when thing that I can barely get my head around...

The flying thing was a weapon (proto?)Skynet was using. We’d seen it a couple of times. (Interestingly, though- and I forget where I saw someone mention this, it doesn’t seem like SKynet understood that Weaver was liquid metal, ‘cause they might have taken a slightly different approach than just flying into the building if they knew?)

As for Cameron/Allison and Derek, I’m going to wade into that discussion above from a little while ago with regard to Summer’s performance, ‘cause I didn’t get to at the time, and I think it sheds some light on what you’re asking.

I have to agree with the camp that was impressed with Summer’s portrayal of Cameron. Was she playing a robot? Yes. Are robots, in our exposure to popular sci-fi, generally monotonous? Yes. But the difference here is where the storyline takes us, and what it demands of Summer Glau. I think there is range and depth to what she was given to do.

Where as Data on NextGen was engaged in an intentional search for consciousness or his “humanity,” and where, in T2, young John Connor tried to teach a Terminator to behave with humanity, in TSCC I think we were witnessing an internal conflict between Cameron the Cyborg and Allison from Palmdale. In the final ep, we were introduced to the effect a minor wiring change had on John Henry- he “glitched.” We don’t really know how Cameron was made, but we’re led to believe she was special. I think there was some kind of overlay (Cameron on Allison or Allison on Cameron,) and what we saw in Cameron’s behavior was a product of the resulting glitches in this overlay. Throughout the series we saw examples where some residual of Allison intruded on Cameron’s function.

This is all to say that I saw in Summer’s performance a reflection of this story element. She wasn’t always robotic or monotonous- you saw flashes of Allison’s humanity in a pause or a reaction on Cameron’s part, and Summer did that very well.

You’re right, though. Who knows what Derek’s relationship to Allison was? It may have colored his perception of Cameron, or it may be that he’s concerned that Cameron (as she herself admitted,) might eventually harm John Connor, or maybe he just didn’t like metal... Bring on a third series!

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