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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
My opinion of TSCC is somewhere in between that of jameron and kwicko's. It was better than mediocre, sometimes very good, but it lacked the focus it needed to be great. It's as if there were two rival show-runners vying for control.

I have all the eps burned to dvd-r off television, and I am sure I'll watch it several more times (or at least certain eps), but it wasn't good enough to shell out money for the official dvds.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
My opinion of TSCC is somewhere in between that of jameron and kwicko's. It was better than mediocre, sometimes very good, but it lacked the focus it needed to be great. It's as if there were two rival show-runners vying for control.

I have all the eps burned to dvd-r off television, and I am sure I'll watch it several more times (or at least certain eps), but it wasn't good enough to shell out money for the official dvds.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

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THANK YOU, ZEEK!!!

That's what I've been saying. "Mediocre" is the operative word.

How many times we going to have this conversation, Jameron?

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:

Now to all those who doubt John fell in love with Cameron watch "Born to Run", the finallie, (FOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
, LOOK AT HIS REACTION AT THE END, AND YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY I LOVE THIS SHOW, IT'S MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF YOU SOUND LIKE YOU LIKE, (ACTION, ACTION, ACTION, ACTION,) It's about development of the Leader of humanity during the Machine war, and the development of a Terminator, and how they interact during the first and last eps. And before you go knocking the show, BE SURE TO WATCH ALL OF THE EPISODES FIRST. And if you don't believe Cameron has grown, watch the message she sends John.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
kwicko, it's like you read my mind. I have no great love for Dollhouse either. In fact I think I would have given up on it quicker than TSCC if it weren't for Joss. I gave TSCC a while into season 2 before giving up on it.

I won't buy either on DVD though.

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Now to all those who doubt John fell in love with Cameron watch "Born to Run", the finallie,

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

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Listen, i don't go around kalling people haters for nothing, i'm just saying, if you don't watch the character DEVELOPMENT, then you suck.

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(I love getting to use the word hence)

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Hence your use of it, twice.

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Originally posted by asarian:
I guess the biggest problem with the show was that it continually tried to take things into a new direction. And, as a result, it went nowhere at all. Shows like that usually end the way this one did: they end.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

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Listen, i don't go around kalling people haters for nothing, i'm just saying, if you don't watch the character DEVELOPMENT, then you suck.

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I shouldn't be taking the troll-bait, really; but I'll bite quick enough to say Zeek is entirely right, of course. On every count.

Personally, I took 'mediocre' as a kindness, even. Hate me for it, if you must. :)

Thomas Dekker's whiney acting stood out like a sore thumb, all throughout the show. Towards the end, there's was maybe like one episode where I was finally not annoyed with the twerp, and I could actually see him as a plausible future Resistance leader. Now, you can take that one brief instance of rising above mediocrity and call it "character development." Or you could be brave enough and admit that his overall performance was just dismal.

And then his mom. Don't get me started on her! Always angry, always sour, always unpleasant. Supposedly out of concern for John. It's a tale of woe. Very stirring. In the meantime she just succeeded to annoy.

Stephanie Jacobsen, as Jesse, was fair hot, I'll give her that. And that episode she killed Riley was one of her better ones. And then... they took her out of the loop.

And Summer, what can I say? She excelled in "Allison from Palmdale," painfully laying bare how her talents were wasted in this show. Instead they had her standing around, numb, for most of the time. And there's really only so much brilliance one can put into doing that.

Then there was bad scripting. Oh yeah, there was plenty of that. They host an entire chess tournament, yet they couldn't find any prop-guy with the wherewithal to actually place the chessboards properly; they want us to believe they built the most advanced A.I., yet when he 'forgets' something, apparently there was a fault on the harddrive (whereas every half-way decent home server across the world has some sort of RAID these days). Could go on for ever. Won't.

Either they gave us tech-talk only a 4th-grader would buy, or they went overboard the other way: John intenssely staring at Cameron's arm, diagnosing the problem as something "deeply internal." Why, thank you, Dr. Obvious, for that brilliant display of deductive reasoning! I'm sure Cameron could never have figured it out on her own. In fact, that whole stuff, with Cameron killing that bird and all, supposedly meaning to wax philosophical, failed miserably as a whole.

I guess the biggest problem with the show was that it continually tried to take things into a new direction. And, as a result, it went nowhere at all. Shows like that usually end the way this one did: they end.


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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

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Listen, i don't go around kalling people haters for nothing, i'm just saying, if you don't watch the character DEVELOPMENT, then you suck.

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I shouldn't be taking the troll-bait, really; but I'll bite quick enough to say Zeek is entirely right, of course. On every count.

Personally, I took 'mediocre' as a kindness, even. Hate me for it, if you must. :)

Thomas Dekker's whiney acting stood out like a sore thumb, all throughout the show. Towards the end, there's was maybe like one episode where I was finally not annoyed with the twerp, and I could actually see him as a plausible future Resistance leader. Now, you can take that one brief instance of rising above mediocrity and call it "character development." Or you could be brave enough and admit that his overall performance was just dismal.

And then his mom. Don't get me started on her! Always angry, always sour, always unpleasant. Supposedly out of concern for John. It's a tale of woe. Very stirring. In the meantime she just succeeded to annoy.

Stephanie Jacobsen, as Jesse, was fair hot, I'll give her that. And that episode she killed Riley was one of her better ones. And then... they took her out of the loop.

And Summer, what can I say? She excelled in "Allison from Palmdale," painfully laying bare how her talents were wasted in this show. Instead they had her standing around, numb, for most of the time. And there's really only so much brilliance one can put into doing that.

Then there was bad scripting. Oh yeah, there was plenty of that. They host an entire chess tournament, yet they couldn't find any prop-guy with the wherewithal to actually place the chessboards properly; they want us to believe they built the most advanced A.I., yet when he 'forgets' something, apparently there was a fault on the harddrive (whereas every half-way decent home server across the world has some sort of RAID these days). Could go on for ever. Won't.

Either they gave us tech-talk only a 4th-grader would buy, or they went overboard the other way: John intenssely staring at Cameron's arm, diagnosing the problem as something "deeply internal." Why, thank you, Dr. Obvious, for that brilliant display of deductive reasoning! I'm sure Cameron could never have figured it out on her own. In fact, that whole stuff, with Cameron killing that bird and all, supposedly meaning to wax philosophical, failed miserably as a whole.

I guess the biggest problem with the show was that it continually tried to take things into a new direction. And, as a result, it went nowhere at all. Shows like that usually end the way this one did: they end.


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Dekker/John´s whining does not go on throughout all of the show, he does whine a lot in season 1 but he´s just a kid wanting to have a normal life, in season 2 he starts to accept the fact that he´s not gonna have a normal life and he starts making decisions and I guess in season 3 we would´ve seen how he becomes the leader.. I would imagine that the whining was in the writing and not just something Dekker pulled out of the blue.. Imo he´s the best John Connor so far.

On Sarah, I agree.. She get´s tiring fast but that´s just the character, that´s how Sarah is.. I think Lena Headey did a good job though as a tough as nails chick..

I know a lot of people are annoyed by Jesse though and thought there was too much focus on her and that she ruined the show somewhat.. I kinda liked her, Reilly on the other hand.. Don´t like her very much, but that may just be down to my love for Cameron

I agree about Summer Glau, she´s the best thing about the show but you have to remember that she plays a terminator and that´s what they do.. They stand still and stare.. Still you have her dancing in one ep, the bird thing, she´s kind of suicidal, her overriding objectives and many other things to show that she´s "different" as she says.. And she clearly becomes more human towards the end if you´ve watched all of it.

I think the writing in this show is excellent, as I´ve said many times "Born to run" is the best episode I´ve ever seen of any show, Firefly included but I guess that´s a taste thing and everyone´s different. But as for the chess tournament, is that what you looked for? If the chessboards are correctly aligned? Do you check the screen for boom mikes as well?

As for John repairing Camerons arm, I don´t think it´s meant to show his technical knowhow, but to show him caring for Cameron, of course she could have done it herself.. and I don´t remember the exact words but they both say something like "it´s nice to have someone help you"..

As for the show, of course they tried to do new things with it and in my opinion it was a great success. What, do people really want "Terminator of the week"? how boring would that be.. Anyway it´s a matter of opinion and people don´t always like the same things. I can accept that, even though I think people who don´t like TSCC or Firefly in general are idiots

"Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor"

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I guess the biggest problem with the show was that it continually tried to take things into a new direction. And, as a result, it went nowhere at all. Shows like that usually end the way this one did: they end.

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Oh and to Kwico, I'LL NEVER QUIT THIS, IT WILL GO ON, AND AHLL BE BAACCCK!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh, and bear in mind that even if I reply with snark or smartassedness, I'm still bumping the TSCC threads back up to the top of the list! That has to help you out somewhat...

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Here's who shoulda done the theme music for TSCC. Cross-promotional marketing by a megaband could've made huge difference. No mention of this Bond girl, not even on this thread or forum, near as I can tell. FAIL.

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Here's who shoulda done the theme music for TSCC. Cross-promotional marketing by a megaband could've made huge difference. No mention of this Bond girl, not even on this thread or forum, near as I can tell. FAIL.

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"Megaband"? Garbage? Shirley you jest! They had one "kinda-hit" over a dozen years ago, and little to nothing else.

The reason Shirley Manson wasn't mentioned in any of the Terminator threads was because she never seemed to be a major part of the show, and that story arc didn't seem to be going anywhere.




Mike

The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means;
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Don't go calling people who don't like your show haters. I gave the show over a season's worth of a chance and it only had a couple decent episodes. Then it went right back to being mediocre. I'm not going to call you names for liking it.

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Listen, i don't go around kalling people haters for nothing, i'm just saying, if you don't watch the character DEVELOPMENT, then you suck.

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I shouldn't be taking the troll-bait, really; but I'll bite quick enough to say Zeek is entirely right, of course. On every count.

Personally, I took 'mediocre' as a kindness, even. Hate me for it, if you must. :)

Thomas Dekker's whiney acting stood out like a sore thumb, all throughout the show. Towards the end, there's was maybe like one episode where I was finally not annoyed with the twerp, and I could actually see him as a plausible future Resistance leader. Now, you can take that one brief instance of rising above mediocrity and call it "character development." Or you could be brave enough and admit that his overall performance was just dismal.

And then his mom. Don't get me started on her! Always angry, always sour, always unpleasant. Supposedly out of concern for John. It's a tale of woe. Very stirring. In the meantime she just succeeded to annoy.

Stephanie Jacobsen, as Jesse, was fair hot, I'll give her that. And that episode she killed Riley was one of her better ones. And then... they took her out of the loop.

And Summer, what can I say? She excelled in "Allison from Palmdale," painfully laying bare how her talents were wasted in this show. Instead they had her standing around, numb, for most of the time. And there's really only so much brilliance one can put into doing that.

Then there was bad scripting. Oh yeah, there was plenty of that. They host an entire chess tournament, yet they couldn't find any prop-guy with the wherewithal to actually place the chessboards properly; they want us to believe they built the most advanced A.I., yet when he 'forgets' something, apparently there was a fault on the harddrive (whereas every half-way decent home server across the world has some sort of RAID these days). Could go on for ever. Won't.

Either they gave us tech-talk only a 4th-grader would buy, or they went overboard the other way: John intenssely staring at Cameron's arm, diagnosing the problem as something "deeply internal." Why, thank you, Dr. Obvious, for that brilliant display of deductive reasoning! I'm sure Cameron could never have figured it out on her own. In fact, that whole stuff, with Cameron killing that bird and all, supposedly meaning to wax philosophical, failed miserably as a whole.

I guess the biggest problem with the show was that it continually tried to take things into a new direction. And, as a result, it went nowhere at all. Shows like that usually end the way this one did: they end.


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