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By 1967, the military of the superpowers had reached the conclusion that though space might be ideal for reconnaissance and communication, it was a dud as a staging area for nuclear attack and a treaty was signed banning nuclear weapons from a place where no one wanted to put them anyway; rendering the opening space scenes of 2001: a Space Odyssey with its orbital bombs obsolete before the prints even came back from the chemists.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Clarke was writing the novel at the same time they were writing and filming the script, so I would have to do some research to find out if he had actually written what you say is the "original" ending that Kubrick didn't use. Another change from the book is the Discovery going to Jupiter as opposed to Saturn. I'm not sure, but it might have had something to do with Kubrick not being satisfied with the FX for Saturn's rings.

2001 was the first film I reviewed for my site approximately nine years ago - http://templetongate.net/2001.htm. I just looked at it and realized I should revise it, because I make mention of the advancement in SFX in the past thirty years, but it has now been more than forty years since 2001 was released and I still think it is the best SF film ever made.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
...it IS the penultimate sci-fi movie.

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And if you didn't know WHERE such an attack was coming from, what do you imagine the Cold War reaction would have been? To wait and see, or to launch everything both sides had - at each other!

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Apparently, that "match cut" sequence, when the bone is thrown into the air and becomes the spaceship - that space vehicle is supposed to be an orbital weapons platform armed with nuclear warheads.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
CIA thinks Serenity is the best.

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CIA thinks Serenity is the best.

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OHHHH-KAAAAY. 2001 rules; I just LIKE Serenity better. We cool now?


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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Planet of the Apes.

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I sort of count Beneath as "Part II." The social commentary in that is almost as stinging, and the end is so...
final...

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I'll admit that things I really enjoy watching don't necessarily end up on a list of the ones I think are the best examples of film as an art form.

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Another change from the book is the Discovery going to Jupiter as opposed to Saturn. I'm not sure, but it might have had something to do with Kubrick not being satisfied with the FX for Saturn's rings.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Just added the BluRay version to my Amazon cart. $9.49. Can't pass that up!

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Originally posted by cljohnston108:
So glad you posted this thread, Chris. I'd been reading a "Most Overrated" thread on the TrekBBS, and everybody was dumping on 2001 & Blade Runner, so I was getting kinda depressed.

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No matter how many times I watch this film, my jaw is on the floor, and I keep saying to myself, "1968, they made this!" 'cause I think of the effects Oscar-winner for the following year, Marooned (which I find almost unwatchable).

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I heard the early man in 2001 didn't even get nominated for best make-up because everyone thought Kubrick just used real trained animals.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Chris, I know what you think of PotA, but truthfully, which film's ape makeup do you think is better?

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So (you knew this was coming), what about 2010?
I liked it. You know, like in a "Superman II" way. Not the original perfection, but still held my interest.


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
so Helen Mirren jumps up and runs out of the room - RUNS, in zero gee.

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After careful consideration, my revised top five SF films of all time list:

Serenity
Blade Runner
Planet Of The Apes
2001: A Space Odyssey
Star Trek The Motion Picture

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Ohh cool a list! Being British that's almost as enticing as a queue :D

1) SERENITY

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I never really felt much for 2001 - left me cold. The score was basically made up from the classical records my Dad used to play when I was a kid and I think the association, when I finally saw 2001, just threw me off. *shrugs*

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so Helen Mirren jumps up and runs out of the room - RUNS, in zero gee.

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Oh, like YOU never RAN in zero gee before! LOL, you grip-bootie non-believer!

The "It's full of stars" line by Dullea sucked me in. And HAL's voice. A little alcohol & the flick is almost as magical as the first. Well, a lot of alchohol. *hic*


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Som, you REALLY need to see it now that you're not a kid.

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If only the others were as good...

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I still think cinema is richer for them even part III.

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Mirren should've either walked deliberately and slowly out of the shot, or she should've launched herself across the bridge in zero gee.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

But my biggest problem with 2001 has always been the perceived necessity by Dr. Floyd and the space agency for total secrecy. In his speech on the Moon, Floyd says "Im sure you're all aware of the potential for cultural shock and social disorientation by the facts presented in this current situation"

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FLOYD

Mr. Halvorsen has made known to me some of the conflicting views held by many of you regarding the need for complete security in this matter, and more specifically your strong opposition to the cover story created to give the impression there is an [insert topic here] at the Base. I understand that beyond it being a matter of principle, many of you are troubled by the concern and anxiety this story of an [insert topic here] might cause your relatives and friends on Earth.

I can understand and sympathize with your negative views. I have been personally embarrassed by this cover story. But I fully accept the need for absolute secrecy and I hope you will.

It should not be difficult for all of you to realise the potential for cultural shock and social disorientation contained in th present situation if the facts were prematurely and suddenly made public without adequate preparation and conditioning.

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THINK about it. First clue, Arthur C Clarke renamed Jupiter as LUCIFER in 2010. That's what Freemasonry is all about, according to Albert Pike in Morals and Dogma, and other Masonic kingpins, who also ran NASA and "walked" on the "moon". Here's a tip: never trust a Satanist, nor a coven, especially when their hands are in your pocket. "Hoodwink" is what they call it. Apollo is the name for Lucifer/Satan/Devil in Revelation 9:11. Picture Eyes Wide Shut, and Neil Armstrong at Bohemian Grove refusing (not allowed) to discuss his "moon walk". Speaking of homosexual pedophiles, wasn't Clarke one?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Dude, what the fuck are you babbling about now?

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
and the Lucifer - er, I mean JUPITER - footage is beautiful.

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