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What would have happened

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Sunday, November 8, 2009 3:34 PM

I was just reading an article where Defying Gravity author James Parriott revealed where he would have taken the show and what was in store for the characters http://eztv.it/tvnews/4547/how-defying-gravity-would-have-progressed-s
traight-from-the-creator/ and I was really impressed that he would give fans of the show that sort of closure.

Kinda makes me wish Joss would sit down and write a big blurb on where Firefly would have gone and what was to become of our characters.

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Sunday, November 8, 2009 4:59 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I don't think Joss has it in him to do that until he is absolutely, positively, 100% sure there will never be an opportunity to continue the story in some media, whether it be TV, movies, comics or novels.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Sunday, November 8, 2009 5:20 PM

FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

I dunno. He did allow the "Inara secret" out of the bag. I didn't take that as a good sign.

Then again, you have to wonder how much he really had planned in advance for the supposed 7 season arc, seeing how as apparently as "recently" as writing the Serenity movie script he had been playing with the idea of making Simon the secret weapon (which, btw, would have been awesome and totally unexpected, IMO). And I don't think he would initially have planned to kill off Wash as soon as he did, although it may have been possible in terms of character development*.

*that may be my own personal impression though, b/c as much as I loved Wash, of all the characters, including Book, I didn't see much of an arc for him. Zoe, on the other hand, in the event of his death, I could see...but that's just my personal opinion.

Then again, apparently he had initially planned on killing off Jayne in Ariel, and didn't (either b/c of the studio suits or b/c he liked what Adam did with the character so much, I don't know) so there ya go. Did Joss really have that much planned in advance for Firefly?

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Sunday, November 8, 2009 5:37 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by fearthebunnyman:
Did Joss really have that much planned in advance for Firefly?

I believe so. Loss is so much a part of what Joss' storytellin' is all about. He would have sqeezed us severely.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 8, 2009 6:14 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I'm sure he had an overall view of where the show would go, but I doubt it was too specific. Certain actors have a way of interpreting a character that can cause a creator/writer to take things in an unforeseen direction, and it is always possible for actors to leave a show for various reasons. Since the original Serenity script had both Book and Wash surviving, it's hard to say if those events would have happened at all if the series had continued. But you know someone would bite the dust sooner or later.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Sunday, November 8, 2009 8:55 PM

CALHOUN

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ecgordon wrote:
Sunday, November 08, 2009 18:14
I'm sure he had an overall view of where the show would go, but I doubt it was too specific.

I bet it was specific enough that he knew things like Book was an aliance agent working for the "red hands" division reporting to the grand poohbar...

or that Kaylee was going to be killed in season 2 taking crew to a much darker place.

Jayne was going to become a born-again christian.

etc. etc. etc.

Joss knew where things were going and what was what is my point.

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Monday, November 9, 2009 4:32 AM

GWEK

Joss has talked about the "grand plan," although not in explicit detail. Some facts:

1-He intended to go for seven seasons

2-Blue Sun would be revealed as the biggest of the Big Bads... although he had not determined the exact "how" of that yet.

3-The original of the Reavers was originally supposed to be different, but started to evolve part of the way through the series, and changed completely by the time he got to doing the movie.

4-The story of the movie would have been told in some form during the course of the series, although not necessarily as early as it did (in the equivalent spot to Season Two).

5-Wash was slated to die. (Not necessarily as he did in SERENITY, but he was not created to make it to the final reel.)

Much of this is from interviews around the time of the release of the movie. In fact, I think all of what I've noted above may come from the text of the visual companion to SERENITY.

So, by his own admission, Joss basically had a general feel for where he wanted to go, but was making the details up as he was going.

As a personal sidenote, for how the movie might have played out over the course of 22 episodes rather than 2 hours, check out my signature...

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

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Monday, November 9, 2009 6:34 AM

BYTEMITE

I agree with Gwek on all points, and further speculate that after Joss let Jayne live in Ariel, he probably would outlive all the other characters. I have my suspicions that at the rate they were going, all the characters but River and Jayne would have been killed off by the end of the last season, and River would have died in the series finale.

My reasoning is this, none of them have long-term longevity. Mal and Zoe are too empty now; Kaylee is too innocent, and along with Simon, not able to defend well against an attack; and Inara... You know.

The only way this might NOT have happened is if Joss didn't kill anyone else off... Which is unlikely. It goes Zoe, Inara, Mal, Kaylee and/or Simon, then River.

"This is the story of the folks who history stepped on."

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Monday, November 9, 2009 2:24 PM

FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

Ha! I think Jayne would have wound up a Shepherd. Way, WAY down the line...

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:06 AM

WHODIED

If you happen to have it handy, could someone link me to where Joss let the Inara secret out into the open? I haven't seen that, nor knew of it's existence, but I'd sure like to read it. Thanks.

--WhoDied

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Yeah, we're mostly just giving each other significant glances and laughing incessantly.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:35 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:19 AM

WHODIED

Thank you, PhoenixRose, that answers al--ittle.

I infer then that the "reaver vial" was some euthanasia drug she'd been carting around for when the (likely) pain and suffering became too much.

And aint that just what the Cap'n needed: forbidden fruit, rotten on the inside... another valley of hope, filled with nightmares and death... First Hera and then Aphrodite herself...

I'll be in my bunk, weeping.

--WhoDied

_______________________

Yeah, we're mostly just giving each other significant glances and laughing incessantly.

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:59 PM

GWEK

The vial from the pilot was not a suicide kit (Joss says that, I believe, in the commentary). I'm not sure if it's been definitely spoiled, but the implication from various sources is that it's some sort of "Have sex with Inara and die" drug. Tim Minear discussed an episode idea (which was eventually deemed "too dark") in which Inara would have been captured and gang-raped by Reavers... and when the crew catches up, they find a shipful of mysteriously dead Reavers.

Inara having a medical condition can be inferred (retroactively) from her "annual exam" during the run of the show, and also from her mysterious liaison with Simon in "Better Days."

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:51 PM

CALHOUN

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GWEK wrote:
Tuesday, November 10, 2009 16:59

Inara having a medical condition can be inferred (retroactively) from her "annual exam" during the run of the show

Because there is no other reason a "sex worker" would need annual check ups?

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Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:07 PM

GWEK

I'm not saying it was obvious at the time, but in retrospect, I think it's subtle foreshadowing on the part of Whedon, especially when you link it with the scene from "Better Days."

www.stillflying.net: "Here's how it might have been..."

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Friday, November 13, 2009 8:35 AM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by Calhoun:
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Because there is no other reason a "sex worker" would need annual check ups?

But normally, if someone was asked how their check-up went, their response would be "fine" or "no problem". "Same as last time" is not a reassuring answer!

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Friday, November 13, 2009 9:35 AM

BYTEMITE

Calhoun: Inara made the annual check-up thing up. There's no requirement for it anywhere in her companion papers, as were posted in the Serenity Blue Ray special features, and in one of the visual companions.

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Friday, November 13, 2009 9:38 AM

BYTEMITE

Quote:
Originally posted by WhoDied:
Thank you, PhoenixRose, that answers al--ittle.

I infer then that the "reaver vial" was some euthanasia drug she'd been carting around for when the (likely) pain and suffering became too much.

And aint that just what the Cap'n needed: forbidden fruit, rotten on the inside... another valley of hope, filled with nightmares and death... First Hera and then Aphrodite herself...

I'll be in my bunk, weeping.

--WhoDied

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Yeah, we're mostly just giving each other significant glances and laughing incessantly.

And that would be why she left.

But agreed, poor Mal.

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