Just saw Terminator: Salvation, and... by chrisisall

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Originally posted by whozit:
...whozit can wait till it gets to cable

No *pausie-to-get-the-snackie*!!!

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:30 PM

I thought it was F^>?%>NG horrible.

I'm a Terminator snob though. In my opinion the first one was phenomenal, and the second one was slightly above average.

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:42 PM

NVGHOSTRIDER

I thought it was pretty okay for what it was. But the way it was supposed to be sounds much more interesting.

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:04 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I thought it was F^>?%>NG horrible.

So what did you think of the third flick?

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In my opinion the first one was phenomenal

agreed

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the second one was slightly above average.

I thought it was almost the equal of the first, but in a very different way. However, I still admit to having problems with the "liquid metal" technology....

BUT, T:S avoided that! It's like, you can watch T, and then T:S & skip the others!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:10 PM

GWEK

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I thought it was F^>?%>NG horrible.

I'll second that. It's a terrible movie, possibly the worst "summer blockbuster" I've ever seen (not to mention how poorly it stacks up against regular, better movies).

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:15 PM

BIGRICHARD

I'm with you CiA, I thought it was alright.

But that COULD be because I was expecting it to be HORRIBLE and got dragged along by friends. And it was after I'd just seen Transformers 2.

So in comparison, it seemed pretty good.
I think I was just pleasantly surprised.

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:41 PM

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Originally posted by BigRichard:
I'm with you CiA, I thought it was alright.

I liked that it seemed respectful of the source material, while delivering some new stuff.
Plus: CGI Arnie was cool!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:50 PM

CYBERSNARK

I probably would've enjoyed it more if I hadn't been comparing it to TSCC and constantly wishing Cameron and/or Derek would show up. . .

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Monday, June 28, 2010 3:27 AM

ZEEK

I didn't think it was terrible, but it sure wasn't very good. I guess I would have rather seen the story focus on the John Connor and the war instead of hybrid boy. I would like to see John outsmarting skynet in a giant chess match. However, at the same time there should be a constant sense of fear. There's is a wave of robot death out there and the resistance should never feel safe.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 4:47 AM

PIRATENEWS

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The problem with the T Series is lack of suspension of disbelief, BECAUSE TERMINATORS ARE REAL.

Al Qaeda Dictator Saddam Hussein Obama Soetoro uses Terminators to murder people EVERY DAY. (Evil laff)

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Monday, June 28, 2010 5:42 AM

I fall into the slot of it's better than T3 but nowhere near as good as T1 or T2. It's not terrible but it's not good either and I wouldn't say it was lightyears ahead of T3.
My biggest problems were the fact that it featured a Transformers type robot that didn't seem to fit IMO. John Connor/Christian Bale was in it too much and I'd have preferred the original version where he was just a 'mythical' voice over the radio who only appeared at the end. And finally the whole hybrid cyborg who thinks he's human thing didn't sit right either. Reminded me too much of Alien Ressurection or AVP (2??) where they cross species.
Having said that it does have some good points. Linda Hamilton as the voice of Sarah was a brilliant touch. The same ghetto blaster with GNR playing was another. Even the CSM-101 appearance was alright. The Terminator bikes were pretty cool and fast.

Overall I am glad I saw it because otherwise I would always have been wondering but I can't say that I'll watch it again, although thinking about it it was the theatrical 'kiddies' cut I saw, not the unrated version.
Is it worth seeing the unrated version? Are there many differences aside from blood, swearing etc?

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Monday, June 28, 2010 7:28 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I thought it was F^>?%>NG horrible.
So what did you think of the third flick?
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In my opinion the first one was phenomenal
agreed
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the second one was slightly above average.
I thought it was almost the equal of the first, but in a very different way. However, I still admit to having problems with the "liquid metal" technology....
BUT, T:S avoided that! It's like, you can watch T, and then T:S & skip the others!

The laughing Chrisisall

I don't have a giant problem with the "liquid metal" stuff, but only because I've seen memory metal and magnetorheological shocks become reality...

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Monday, June 28, 2010 9:26 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:
the theatrical 'kiddies' cut I saw, not the unrated version.
Is it worth seeing the unrated version? Are there many differences aside from blood, swearing etc?

I've read a great deal about this, and it's just an F bomb or two, a bloodier stabbing & Moon Bloodgood's breasts for a brief moment. Nothing very significant. I'd buy it on DVD, but it's only on blu-ray, and I'm NOT going blue just for that.

It struck me as a movie version of a Firefly comic- not absolutely necessary, but a very entertaining little diversion.
As opposed to T3, which I found insulting.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 28, 2010 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
So what did you think of the third flick?

I'm trying to forget it. I hated it.

Gripes about the second flick: Crazy militant Sarah Conner(go overboard much?)---Liquid Metal Terminator while very cool, if there were an army of them(or even 50) the human resistance wouldn't last two days.----whiny bitch kid that is John Conner----Did I mention Sarah Conner being overly militant 99% of the movie?

The more I think about it, the first Terminator film should have been a standalone. Great characters like Reese, and Sarah with a worthwhile love story. Add in the element of paranoid fear, great action sequences(not overdone) and one of the last scenes with Reese going toe to toe with the Terminator...just awesome. Perfection.

3 iconic films that should have never had sequels:
-Planet of the Apes

-The Terminator

-Jaws

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Monday, June 28, 2010 11:44 AM

ZEEK

I really don't understand why people love the original so much. The Terminator was a B movie. It seem to be unintentionally campy and ridiculous. I went to a show where they showed the movie with comedians cracking jokes a la MST3K. It was quite hilarious but it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

The second movie was actually good. Good plot. Good production value. Good action. That one I can rewatch all the time without rolling my eyes.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

iconic films that should have never had sequels:
-Planet of the Apes

Awww, but Beneath had the best ending EVER!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 28, 2010 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

The more I think about it, the first Terminator film should have been a standalone.

Hey, about that one, is it just me, or does the 5.1 seem REALLY inferiour to the original mono soundtrack on the DVD? I mean, they added some cool little audio touches, but it just seems bland in comparison to the sharper mono, IMHO.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 28, 2010 1:10 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by OPPYH:

The more I think about it, the first Terminator film should have been a standalone.
Hey, about that one, is it just me, or does the 5.1 seem REALLY inferiour to the original mono soundtrack on the DVD? I mean, they added some cool little audio touches, but it just seems bland in comparison to the sharper mono, IMHO.

The laughing Chrisisall

No it's not just you. I was kinda disappointed when I heard the 5.1 audio. Felt a bit ripped off as I'm sure they could have done a really great job.
I just don't think it sounded right. It may have been the placement of the sounds but it's hard to say exactly why because I haven't heard it for a long while. I listen to the mono track every time now for T1. As you say it is much better.
Cracking film though, especially for a B movie.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 1:23 PM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

No it's not just you.

Okay, I thought my hearing might be off or something.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 28, 2010 2:11 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I really don't understand why people love the original so much. The Terminator was a B movie. It seem to be unintentionally campy and ridiculous. I went to a show where they showed the movie with comedians cracking jokes a la MST3K. It was quite hilarious but it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

???
Can't figure what would be considered hilarious about that movie. It was filmed on a tight budget, but the acting is great, and the story is solid.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Hey, about that one, is it just me, or does the 5.1 seem REALLY inferiour to the original mono soundtrack on the DVD? I mean, they added some cool little audio touches, but it just seems bland in comparison to the sharper mono, IMHO.

The mono is better on the standard special edition dvd. I own the Blu-Ray, and the 5.1 uncompressed audio is pretty sweet though.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 2:26 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by lwaves:
the theatrical 'kiddies' cut I saw, not the unrated version.
Is it worth seeing the unrated version? Are there many differences aside from blood, swearing etc?

I've read a great deal about this, and it's just an F bomb or two, a bloodier stabbing & Moon Bloodgood's breasts for a brief moment. Nothing very significant. I'd buy it on DVD, but it's only on blu-ray, and I'm NOT going blue just for that.

It struck me as a movie version of a Firefly comic- not absolutely necessary, but a very entertaining little diversion.
As opposed to T3, which I found insulting.

The laughing Chrisisall

How DARE you call Moon Bloodgood's breasts insignificant!

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Monday, June 28, 2010 2:38 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Awww, but Beneath had the best ending EVER!!!!

OK, Beneath was pretty decent. But it would have been so much better if Heston had agreed to do the entire film and not just a cameo.

Little known fact, did you know Heston wanted the role of Brody in Jaws? Spielberg turned him down because he was too "famous" at the time. He thought the audience would be too wrapped up in Heston performance, and not be afraid of the shark.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 2:41 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

How DARE you call Moon Bloodgood's breasts insignificant!

Sorry, just had a non-sexual moment of objectivity. It doesn't happen often.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 28, 2010 2:44 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

OK, Beneath was pretty decent.

Glory be to the Bomb, and the Holy Fallout.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 28, 2010 3:58 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Glory be to the Bomb, and the Holy Fallout.

Those mutants and their holier than thou attitude.
they deserved to go boom.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:

Those mutants and their holier than thou attitude.
they deserved to go boom.

If one of us does, we all do- that's the point of that movie IMO.

The apeish Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:02 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
By gum, I kinda liked it!
It was like, really REALLY good fanfic! In no way the equal of the first two, but light years better than the mess that was T3 IMO.
I avoided until now, but lack-O-new stuff made me buy it on the cheap out of curiosity.
I recommend a rental or cheap buy here!

Anyone else think it was worth a viewing?

The T-1000 Chrisisall

Hello,

I was surprised it was pleasant to watch.

My favorites are:

Terminator 2 (Acting, production values, story, all top-notch. Militant Mom made a lot of sense when you consider that she literally has the weight of the world on her every minute of every hour of every day for years.

Terminator 1 (Most people think the first movie is always the best, but while Terminator 1 is essential to the story, it just wasn't the best film.)

Terminator Salvation (It didn't suck. That was a surprise for me.)

Terminator That Shall Not Be Named (Sucked hardcore with extra Dyson wind-tunnel technology.)

--Anthony

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Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by lwaves:
I can't say that I'll watch it again, although thinking about it it was the theatrical 'kiddies' cut I saw, not the unrated version.
Is it worth seeing the unrated version? Are there many differences aside from blood, swearing etc?

All the differences (4 minute's worth, less actually, considering):

(Click on "Watch On Youtube" after it denies the embedding)

Interesting, but in no way amazing. In fact, it's probably better left out IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Terminator Salvation (It didn't suck. That was a surprise for me.)

LOL!

Yeah.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:40 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
By gum, I kinda liked it!
It was like, really REALLY good fanfic! In no way the equal of the first two, but light years better than the mess that was T3 IMO.
I avoided until now, but lack-O-new stuff made me buy it on the cheap out of curiosity.
I recommend a rental or cheap buy here!

Anyone else think it was worth a viewing?

The T-1000 Chrisisall

I thought it was a mismatched piece of crap with well staged action scenes, but to each his own.

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Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:16 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

I thought it was a mismatched piece

"Mismatched?" How do you define mismatched?
Oh well, maybe when a movie doesn't totally suck these days I am very forgiving...
Whatever.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:09 PM

It was a movie developed with some very flawed ideas to begin with (some of the worst of which were excized during shooting, but there are related plot points that remain), that was majorly overhauled to suit a star's ego just before shooting, and was all designed to build toward a specific ending, which got leaked online so they ditched it and patched a new one together with voiceover. Plus, the director had a habit of throwing out scenes and making up new sequences on the fly, further muddying the plot and sapping any thematic content. I feel mismatched is accurate - it's a hodgepodge of different ideas, some good some bad - none very well thought out, and none either fully developed or entirely dropped. Oh, and the magical McaGuffin girl was annoying and just lazy, lazy writing.

T3 had some lame humor and unnecessary plot threads, but on a script level it's a more coherent piece.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 12:52 AM

Oh. Okay, I guess I see what you're saying.
I just watched it again last night, and I still feel it's entertaining for what it is. Which admittedly isn't so much.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 3:15 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by lwaves:
I can't say that I'll watch it again, although thinking about it it was the theatrical 'kiddies' cut I saw, not the unrated version.
Is it worth seeing the unrated version? Are there many differences aside from blood, swearing etc?

All the differences (4 minute's worth, less actually, considering):

(Click on "Watch On Youtube" after it denies the embedding)

Interesting, but in no way amazing. In fact, it's probably better left out IMO.

The laughing Chrisisall

Cheers for that buddy, at least now I don't have to watch the whole movie again just for those few bits. Definitely not worth the bother as it didn't really add anything.

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 6:22 AM

What was really annoying was, when the theatrical cut came out, McG (the director) said the DVD/BR would have a director's cut which would add a minimum of 35-45 minutes, totally reworking the storyline and including the original ending. He even said specifically that it wouldn't be one of those director's cut's that just adds 3-4 minutes.

So what they come out with, a director's cut with 3 extra minutes, and a description of the original ending.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 11:50 AM

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What was really annoying was, when the theatrical cut came out, McG (the director) said the DVD/BR would have a director's cut which would add a minimum of 35-45 minutes, totally reworking the storyline and including the original ending. He even said specifically that it wouldn't be one of those director's cut's that just adds 3-4 minutes.

A lie? Or an exaggeration?

The Spock-like Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
What was really annoying was, when the theatrical cut came out, McG (the director) said the DVD/BR would have a director's cut which would add a minimum of 35-45 minutes, totally reworking the storyline and including the original ending. He even said specifically that it wouldn't be one of those director's cut's that just adds 3-4 minutes.

A lie? Or an exaggeration?

The Spock-like Chrisisall

Neither.
He may have originally meant it. But if Christian Bale had enough power to substantially alter the film first time round (especially the ending) he could easily stop it happening on DVD. Or the studios just decided they weren't going to do it McG's way. Or they'll release an 'Ultimate Cut' and try to make even more money.

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 12:38 PM

Could be any of those reasons, or a combination of them. It just irks me that there is likely a better version out there that may never see the light of day (especially with the rights having recently been auctioned off and all).

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:04 PM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

Or they'll release an 'Ultimate Cut' and try to make even more money.

I see this as the most reasonable scenario.
Milkin'theCashCow.

I'll stick with this cheap used copy, thanks.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 4:08 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
It just irks me that there is likely a better version out there

How much better, really?
10% better?
Not worth my attention. That's like, do I *need* extra butter on the last third of the popcorn in my bucket?
Nah.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 1, 2010 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
It just irks me that there is likely a better version out there
How much better, really?
10% better?
Not worth my attention. That's like, do I *need* extra butter on the last third of the popcorn in my bucket?
Nah.

The laughing Chrisisall

Hard to say. But given the number of plot holes and contrivances, 30 minutes could make a huge difference. Plus, and improvement over crap is nice. I'd be happy with a plot that made some sense. And I think the original ending would work better, given that's what the rest of the movie was building towards, and would surely have been a ballsier story choice than they did with the existing patch-job ending.

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Friday, July 2, 2010 8:01 AM

But will the extra stuff ever surface?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, July 2, 2010 8:38 AM

Who knows. The rights changing hands puts it all in question. If whoever TPTB are decide to continue with this continuity, including Salvation, they might be inclined to issue a new version. If they do something else (new sequels that ignores TS in the way TSCC ignored T3) or just a flat re-boot/remake of the original (a strong possibility, especially if the property stays dormant for a few years), then they have less incentive to do so.

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Saturday, July 3, 2010 10:05 AM

AURAPTOR

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I've yet to see it my own self. Been meanin' to, eventually.

Might catch it sometime before fall.

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Saturday, July 3, 2010 11:04 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

So, what was the original ending/story supposed to be like?

--Anthony

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Saturday, July 3, 2010 1:11 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

So, what was the original ending/story supposed to be like?

http://io9.com/5246360/mcg-spills-the-extra+dark-terminator-ending-you
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We had a jet-black ending. Connor dies, we're in a room with all the people we care about. You take Connor's likeness, you put it on the living machine of Marcus. He sits up, now looking like Christian Bale, takes a gun, kills Kate, kills Kyle, kills Star, kills everybody, eyes flare red, [snaps] the end.

*THE OTHER DARK ENDING*

the mechanical Marcus takes over as Connor and goes on to lead the resistance. It's essentially a secret to everybody, except the inner circle, that John Connor is now a robot, is now a Terminator. We're going for some irony there.

I'm just fine with them not going there.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, July 4, 2010 7:55 PM