Milkin' the Space Cow: Avatar's next release by chrisisall

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
This might be the one I've been waiting for. Any extras (commentary, deleted scenes)?

Oh, it's all there, all but the 3D:

http://www.amazon.com/Avatar-Three-Disc-Extended-Collectors-Worthingto
n/dp/B0044XV3R8
OR, for you Blu-Rayers:
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Disc-Extended-Collectors-BD-Live-Blu-ray/d
p/B0044XV3QY

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:13 AM

I'm not ashamed to say I frikkin' loved this movie.
Dances with Smurfs- whatever. Well done, character-driven & pretty as 12 Hells.
I got no problem with ONE double dip here.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:34 AM

America loves a winner!

Surely, you can't be serious....

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:36 AM

I'll be getting it. ut I skipped the first release, knowing this was coming, so no double dippin here.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I skipped the first release, knowing this was coming, so no double dippin here.

Sonisall & I had a good time with the first release- no regrets! This next one will rock us a cool followup, no doubt.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Surely, you can't be serious....

Waiting for the ultimate edition in 3D- I take it?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:54 AM

America loves a winner!

Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Surely, you can't be serious....

Waiting for the ultimate edition in 3D- I take it?

The laughing Chrisisall

Wait... AURaptor's not in a hurry to buy the "military is bad, follow the wisdom of the tree huggers" movie?

I.... I just can't believe that...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.

So.... you don't like it for its allusions to how Native Americans, or Native Hispaniolans were treated by occupying forces?
Do I understand correctly that you now deny HISTORY, and further, the recycling of said stories to produce emotion-effecting art?

Surely you are not that shallow.

Next you will tell us the Moon landing never happened & that Capricorn One is the best movie ever made....

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:25 PM

CLJOHNSTON108

Nice to know I'm not alone, Chris!

I was so thoroughly impressed by AVATAR when it came out, but all the hate from pretty much every forum I've been on has really been making me doubt my own sanity, to the point where other movies that are impressing me as I watch them have me saying, "I'm probably wrong to think this is great."

It's like when Fox aired that stupid "Moon Hoax" program, and the next day I found myself in a classroom with 40 people who had been totally convinced by it, and they all started shouting at me when I laughed about what bullshit it was: "Are you stupid, man? We didn't go the Moon! They just now showed it!"
I was never so terrified for my sanity in my life. Not even my teacher would back me up.

Just look at the comments on this thread about the sequels...
http://io9.com/5674706/james-cameron-releasing-avatar-2-in-2014-avatar
-3-in-2015

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by cljohnston108:

I was so thoroughly impressed by AVATAR when it came out, but all the hate from pretty much every forum I've been on has really been making me doubt my own sanity, to the point where other movies that are impressing me as I watch them have me saying, "I'm probably wrong to think this is great."

There will always be those who will hate something just because it's popular.

Had the movie tanked, a lot of those same people would be it's biggest fans.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:41 PM

CLJOHNSTON108

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Had the movie tanked, a lot of those same people would be it's biggest fans.

You don't by any chance post as "Darth Meow 504" on io9, do you?

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Darth Meow 504
01:42 PM

@shaidar007: You've nailed it. Had the movie bombed, the same people who are bashing it now would be hailing it as a brilliant classic that flew under the radar of the masses and proves that the average person doesn't have the taste or sophistication for good movies.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:05 PM

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Originally posted by cljohnston108:
all the hate from pretty much every forum I've been on has really been making me doubt my own sanity

The ONLY relevant criticism might be that it's reminiscent of some stuff from Aliens...
Like THAT'S a BAD thing....

Titanic kinda sucked, and peeps loved it. This is great, and peeps loved it.
What-TF-ever.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:18 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue.

So.... you don't like it for its allusions to how Native Americans, or Native Hispaniolans were treated by occupying forces?
Do I understand correctly that you now deny HISTORY, and further, the recycling of said stories to produce emotion-effecting art?

Surely you are not that shallow.

Next you will tell us the Moon landing never happened & that Capricorn One is the best movie ever made....

"Native" Hispaniolans ?

You serious, Clark ?

I was unaware that Espagnol was the native tongue to those living in the Western hemisphere, prior to the SPANISH arriving. Learn something new every day.

I dislike Avatar for several reasons.

It's an old story , retold with nonsensical new age undertones and current political agendas , and repackaged, for the sake of ego stroking and the all mighty $$.

The idea of various species of land vertebrates literally ' connecting ' with each other --- openly insults the audience. Even science fiction should have a kernel of truth to it...

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:24 PM

CYBERSNARK

Speaking as a Storyteller myself, my philosophy has to be "if only one person truly gets a story, then it was worth telling."

This was the movie Cameron wanted to make --it wasn't a product made for hire or to grab a market niche or fulfill a contract, and for that alone, it is worthy of praise.

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

"Native" Hispaniolans ?

Sorry, I simplified it for you. I needn't have done that.

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I dislike Avatar for several reasons.

It's an old story , retold with nonsensical new age undertones and current political agendas

I don't say stuff like this often, but in the words of Swan from The Warriors,
fuck you.

Like films are not made in their times.
Go revisit Deer Hunter or Silent Running.
You must HATE the revisionist crap of Errol Flynn's Robin Hood.
Or the Nazi Metropolis.

You just can't let go.

I LOVE Demolition Man. Should I not? I mean, being an extreme Leftie as I obviously am...

Red Dawn was compelling... Oh, but I guess I should hate it, AND Conan, from the same director...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:43 PM

America loves a winner!

What we have here, is a failure to communicate.

Avatar is Pocahontas. Straight up. Only the technology has been changed to impress the audience. It's the exact same gorram story !

You might be mesmerized over the eye candy of pretty CG landscape and blue tailed hotties, but me ? Nope.

(OK, I admit it... the blue chick was pretty smokin'. )

But you're also damn right , I don't let go. I refused to be brain washed by a tired, worn out dogma that anything the white, European, technologically forward, post Renaissance male or humans are only good for is to slaughter, defiling nature, etc... all for the sake of the mighty dollar.

Guess what ? ALL HUMANS are capable of doing this, and more often than not, to a far greater extent than the US Military! To constantly paint 1 and only 1 group for doing such atrocities, while ignoring similar actions by others, is the worst sort of propaganda, and I've grown sick of it.

And as for Hispaniolas..what exactly did you 'simplify' ??

It's presented , nearly universally, that many of the native Americans speak Spanish as their native tongue. Do folks not realize that was Spain, and the Conquistidores, who first started to colonize the 'new world'? Who over ran the Aztecs ? It was the Spanish, not the English, who first came to conquer the land and take what they wanted. The Spanish, who melted down untold riches of the ancient native Americans, and hauled the gold back to Europe. It was the Spanish who fist slaughtered in the name of Christianity. It was the Spanish, who first introduced small pox onto the native population, resulting in the deaths of untold numbers.

All these things which folks may know, but never really think about. The Mexicans feel we took THEIR land, when in fact, it's THEY who took it from the native Americans. Looking at how we manage the land and the people, I'd say the Mexicans forfeit any claim to the land now, as we run it far better than they ever could.

( dang.... now I've gone and got all real world eventsy in here ... )

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:05 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Avatar is one of the greatest movies ever made, perhaps the most visually stunning one ever. But I will not buy any new DVDs of it with "extra" footage. I always hate when they change a movie from it's original release. I've fallen into that trap a few times, and the results are always the same....the "inserted" footage does not improve the movie, and in some cases actually makes it worse.

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:39 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I will not buy any new DVDs of it with "extra" footage. I always hate when they change a movie from it's original release. I've fallen into that trap a few times, and the results are always the same....the "inserted" footage does not improve the movie, and in some cases actually makes it worse.

True, except in Cameron movies. The re-inserted stuff in Aliens, T2, and Abyss improved the films, and I see no reason to doubt the same regarding Avatar.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:57 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Guess what ? ALL HUMANS are capable of doing this, and more often than not, to a far greater extent than the US Military! To constantly paint 1 and only 1 group for doing such atrocities, while ignoring similar actions by others, is the worst sort of propaganda, and I've grown sick of it.

Err... I think you missed that the movie was not so much dissing on The U. S. Military, but The U. S. Corporation controlling it on Pandora.

It's the comfy chair FOR YOU!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:14 AM

CYBERSNARK

Technically, Earth's military never appeared in Avatar; according to the Survival Guide, they're not allowed to operate in space.

The bad guys on Pandora were entirely the RDA's hired security force, led by a refugee from Heart of Darkness. Hell, the RDA's nominal administrator wasn't actually such a bad guy, just shallow, materialistic, and too gutless to reign in his pet Man-Ape when he realized how out-of-hand things were getting.

(And the Na'vi weren't exactly portrayed as flawless; there were ample references to intertribal warfare. That was the whole point of Jake having to unite the tribes to form an organized resistance.)

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:35 AM

Thanks for the clearing-up!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:43 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I really like Avatar. I never called it the most original story ever to grace the screen, but it was a solid story, and it was stunningly told. Yes, I like it for the scenery porn, and I can admit that.
3D gives me a headache. I'd like to see this version, but I may not be able to buy it right off, I have to save my pennies.

Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean it becomes yours.

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:51 AM

Sure, it was a story that's been done before - but that's true of most stories if you look around. What it was was a classic story, told in anew form, and extremely well.

That is pisses off hardcore neocons is just a bonus.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:07 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Great film? It's so good you can even watch it with the sound off and not miss anything...

If ever there was a movie made for BluRay it would be Avatar, so yeah, I wants it.

Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:13 AM

CLJOHNSTON108

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Sure, it was a story that's been done before - but that's true of most stories if you look around.

Right. How many variations on Romeo and Juliet or The Seven Samurai have we seen?

The movie I've watched the most times, since I was 8 years old, is Steve McQueen's Le Mans (1971), which was panned by critics as having "no story", and it bombed at the box office and bankrupted McQueen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Mans_%28film%29
It's now widely-considered the greatest racing movie ever made.
The cinematography just puts you "in the action" more than anything else I've ever seen, coupled with the fact that there's almost no dialogue in the whole thing: no melodramatic soap opera or droning narration over every scene. It's just the pure experience of being in/at the race, both as driver and spectator.

AVATAR was similar, in that I just let myself get swept away by the experience of being physically there. I wasn't even paying attention to the story (or "lack" of one).

And, as someone who's used 3D modeling software before, my mouth was ajar the whole time, while I was looking (in vain) for the slightest telltale flaw in the CGI. I kept wondering, "How the fuck do you model that, sitting at a keyboard? How much memory did that use up? How long did it take to render each frame? etc."

At least the CGSociety members were suitably impressed...

CGTalk - James Cameron's AVATAR: The Reviews Are Not In Kansas Anymore... (spoilers)
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=833716

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by cljohnston108:

The movie I've watched the most times, since I was 8 years old, is Steve McQueen's Le Mans (1971),..
The cinematography just puts you "in the action" more than anything else I've ever seen, coupled with the fact that there's almost no dialogue in the whole thing: no melodramatic soap opera or droning narration over every scene. It's just the pure experience of being in/at the race, both as driver and spectator.

That's a good analogy to Avatar IMO, and BTW, I saw Le Mans in the theatre with my Dad. I was mesmorized!! I remember feeling terror as the heavy raindrops began to hit the windshield...
I designed my own race car when we got home.
But it wasn't very good. I was a little kid, not a race car mechanic, for gosh sakes!!!!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:40 AM