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You all realize by buying this movie you're just encouraging Mr. Cameron to make more of this crap.

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Was it perfect? Not by a long shot.

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My only qualm is about having to swap discs in the middle of the movie. That's so... LaserDisc!

The detail on my DVD looks good enough on my iMac to drop my jaw.

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My only qualm is about having to swap discs in the middle of the movie. That's so... LaserDisc!

The detail on my DVD looks good enough on my iMac to drop my jaw.

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My only qualm is about having to swap discs in the middle of the movie. That's so... LaserDisc!

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I could watch them fly around on those pterodactyl thingies all day, the environment and special effects were amazing! Unfortunately, that's all it really has going for it. It was like fern gully or Pocahontas, but with cool creatures and weapons.

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"Oh we have this hard-to-findium that's worth a lot so we'll kick them out of this area to get at it. Okay, we kicked them out, got access to the stuff, so lets chase them down and try to kill more of 'em cause we're one dimensional characters and we just love killin' indians... er navi."

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It's possible I may be a little biased because the friend who told me to go see it claimed it was better than Star Wars and made some less than favorable comments regarding Marines. I grew up watching dad's old star wars cassette tapes and my grandpa and sister are Marines. I almost waited until it came to the dollar theater to see it out of spite.

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It's possible I may be a little biased because the friend who told me to go see it claimed it was better than Star Wars and made some less than favorable comments regarding Marines.

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They weren't Marines, they were a private security company.

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the hero of the movie IS a Marine...

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I could also see Cameron putting that little detail in at the last minute to avoid a backlash.

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I'm not double-dipping either, 'cuz I didn't buy the bare bones edition.

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They weren't Marine's, they were a private security company.

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But really, that little blurb in your spoiler-box.... seems pretty consistent with how History has played out each and every time such a situation has arisen. Is acknowledging that so upsetting?

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I'm not double-dipping either, 'cuz I didn't buy the bare bones edition.

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Terminator VHS, Aliens VHS, Abyss VHS, T2 VHS, Terminator DVD, Aliens DVD, Abyss DVD, T2 Ultimate DVD, Aliens SE DVD, Dark Angel seasons 1 & 2 DVD, T2 Extreme DVD, Avatar DVD, & now Avatar SE DVD...

I LIVE to pump my dough into Cameron's wallet...
(except for that mess 'Titanic')


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Yes, I know they weren't and that the hero is a Marine, I was referring to what a person said regarding marines. My friend seemed to think real marines were no better, but that ain't Avatar's fault. Just acknowledging that I might have started off with a bit of a bias on account of someone telling me it's better than my favorite movies and then telling me about how negatively it portrays the Marine Corps (both of which were lies of course).

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Not upsetting, just a tired unoriginal idea. The entire private security company (save our hero and the chopper girl) were one dimensional B Flat bad guys. The Navi were interesting, our hero was interesting, the special effects were amazing, but the big bad and the plot... simple, lame and overdone.

I like more complex villains, like the operative.

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Except for the treatment for the movie leaking in the 90's.... and that element was there then.

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...just a tired unoriginal idea. The entire private security company (save our hero and the chopper girl) were one dimensional B Flat bad guys. The Navi were interesting, our hero was interesting, the special effects were amazing, but the big bad and the plot... simple, lame and overdone.

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Not upsetting, just a tired unoriginal idea.

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In the sequel, Sully will fight Terminators, get blinded, lose his girlfriend to pointy things, and die bringing peace to Pandora AND the machine-dominated Earth!

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Don't even get me started on the Matrix sequels...

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Still tryin' to let go of that...

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And let me tell you, young Jimmy Cameron is right fond of laying his politics on with a trowel before beating them home with a four-pound sledge hammer. Subtle, the man is not.

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The Extended Version tells it- to help prepare for the coming war.

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I was hoping the unobtanium (a half billion dollar budget and thats the name they come up with? COME ON!!!) would somehow be vital to humanity's survival. That would make an interesting moral situation when they return to Pandora.

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America is overspending on weapons compared to the entire rest of the world. The world cheered for overarmed, overbearing Americans losing to blue spear-chuckers: Avatar earned 72.6% of its money overseas. www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=avatar.htm

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I take it that's the name the corporate dudes hung on it to make it sound cool for the public of the future. Typical, really.

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Actually, it was a callout to SF fandom: "unobtanium" is a sarcastic term for all those imaginary substances like Dilithium, Beryllium Spheres, Naquada, Element X, Dureum, Neutronium, or Cavorite used in SF as maguffins or to hand-wave away the laws of physics.

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Personally, I think it glorifies the simplicity & innate *goodness* of a less technologically advanced society a *tad* too much, but in every other aspect it's a really good flick. And it NAILS the Corporate exploitative mentality.

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Personally, I think it glorifies the simplicity & innate *goodness* of a less technologically advanced society a *tad* too much...

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Yep, thats pretty much how I felt about it. I liked being in Pandora much more than anything else. The story was mediocre at best, but the way it was told, the FX and the acting perfs were top notch.

Saw it twice: with my son and with my 2 nieces. Everyone enjoyed it, and my son is hard on movies (it has to be excellent for him to like it). So, there you have it.

I think that they added the extra footage from Pandora because thats most people liked about the film.


SGG

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